---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/06/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:14 AM - Re: Sell it with discretion (Lou) 2. 05:02 AM - Re: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 08:53 AM - Re: Sell it with discretion (David McGirt) 4. 09:21 AM - Tip from the folks at Simple Green (N642K) 5. 09:53 AM - Re: Sell it with discretion (Eric Wobschall) 6. 09:58 AM - Fw: Sell it with discretion (KingCJ6@aol.com) 7. 11:27 AM - Re: Sell it with discretion (Didier Blouzard) 8. 11:34 AM - Re: Tip from the folks at Simple Green (Jim Selby) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: Sell it with discretion (Warren Hill) 10. 12:04 PM - Re: Sell it with discretion (delfin) 11. 02:36 PM - Re: Sell it with discretion (A. Dennis Savarese) 12. 04:19 PM - Re: Sell it with discretion (John Fischer) 13. 06:26 PM - Re: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. (Roger Kemp M.D.) 14. 07:18 PM - Re: Sell it with discretion (DAVID STROUD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:03 AM PST US From: "Lou" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Gentlemen of the Yaklist (Nanchang list) When I started to restore my cj6a 12 years ago and paid $1100 to get a part made that now retails for less than $100 Doug in usa Walt in canada and some others, I found these blokes on the red star pilots association as it was then called was a great help to me as I didn't know who would support these wonderful aircraft, to stop these blokes for advertising on the yak list what they have in stock is far more damaging then not having them advertise, very easy to hit the delete button if you want don't want to read the mail, I live in Australia which is a lot closer to china than you blokes and I have had parts supplied from Doug and others at very reasonable prices I think of us as a community of friends with a common interest so don't stuff up a good list. Ps I have made a new friend in North Carolina because of this list. Regards Lou From: Frank To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Richard As to commercial activities on this list..................... Seems to me things are going along great with the list the way it is. People let people know about their products. A limited, targeted, special interest type commercial activity isn't a problem until it becomes spam (read that to mean repeated postings to where people get sick of it). Let people know what you got but don't make a nuisance of yourself with "advertising like" activities. I think that is the secret to a list like this. Most people want to know what's available out there but if it's pounded into their heads like a commercial it won't go over too well. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Yak-List: Commerce It has never been clear to me what the position of the list is in relation to commercial activities. On one hand I have seen that it is supposed to be a forum for exchange of ideas etc, and NOT for anything commercial, but on the other hand I see blatantly commercial postings. Clearly I am myself in the Yak business, although fortunately do not have to live totally from it, but it does seem to me that there is a need for a "commercial" Yak list, where people can post products; aircraft; components etc. I have no idea what people generally think of this - is it a good idea? Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 www.russianaeros.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:42 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. But Pappy has an M14 and not the original Housai 285. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. Jon, Give Pappy a call. He has a B&C in his CJ. doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:38 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. Point, MALS-14 64E" I would suggest calling the owner of B&C himself. He is a terrific person, DEDICATED to making a great product and knows these issues like the back of his hand. If you do, please tell him I said hello and wish him well. I strongly believe in this mans products and would purchase anything he sells without hesitation. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jblake207@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:13 PM To: Yak-List Digest Subject: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. Does anyone out there have any advice on installing the B&C alternator on a stock CJ? I ask because I'm hearing a couple different things about adaptor plates, oil seals, special gears, etc. I've ordered the alternator and VR from B&C, an adaptor plate from Doug Sapp, but would really like to hear from someone who has been there and done that just to make sure we aren't missing something. Please contact off list at jblake207@comcast.net or voice 334-791-5690. Thanks, Jon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:26 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Just a suggestion - Create a thread dedicated to the commercial guys. They and ONLY they post on this thread - their contact info, parts available, etc. That way everyone can delete or search for that thread as needed. The key would be NOONE Else posting in that thread.. Just a thought.. David McGirt Yak52 TW From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:56 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Gentlemen of the Yaklist (Nanchang list) When I started to restore my cj6a 12 years ago and paid $1100 to get a part made that now retails for less than $100 Doug in usa Walt in canada and some others, I found these blokes on the red star pilots association as it was then called was a great help to me as I didn't know who would support these wonderful aircraft, to stop these blokes for advertising on the yak list what they have in stock is far more damaging then not having them advertise, very easy to hit the delete button if you want don't want to read the mail, I live in Australia which is a lot closer to china than you blokes and I have had parts supplied from Doug and others at very reasonable prices I think of us as a community of friends with a common interest so don't stuff up a good list. Ps I have made a new friend in North Carolina because of this list. Regards Lou From: Frank Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Richard As to commercial activities on this list..................... Seems to me things are going along great with the list the way it is. People let people know about their products. A limited, targeted, special interest type commercial activity isn't a problem until it becomes spam (read that to mean repeated postings to where people get sick of it). Let people know what you got but don't make a nuisance of yourself with "advertising like" activities. I think that is the secret to a list like this. Most people want to know what's available out there but if it's pounded into their heads like a commercial it won't go over too well. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Yak-List: Commerce It has never been clear to me what the position of the list is in relation to commercial activities. On one hand I have seen that it is supposed to be a forum for exchange of ideas etc, and NOT for anything commercial, but on the other hand I see blatantly commercial postings. Clearly I am myself in the Yak business, although fortunately do not have to live totally from it, but it does seem to me that there is a need for a "commercial" Yak list, where people can post products; aircraft; components etc. I have no idea what people generally think of this - is it a good idea? Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 www.russianaeros.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:27 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Tip from the folks at Simple Green From: "N642K" Called Simple Green Corporate Offices looking for a local source for Simple Green Extreme (non corrosive simple green degreaser). She sent me to Home Depot. Home Depot brand ProHD degreaser IS simple green extreme! $4.00/gallon cheaper than aircraft spruce and no shipping charges! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271372#271372 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:16 AM PST US From: Eric Wobschall Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Personally, I think that we're all so specialized here in the Yak / CJ thread that we're probably all interested in pretty much everything that's commercially available in this category. I'm interested in both (tips and parts) and would prefer to not have look in two places. Of course repetitive stuff is a no-no, and it wouldn't work if it gets out of hand. If it gets posted once and someone misses it, others will clue him or her in. I think it works OK as it is. -Eric N52EW On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:51 AM, David McGirt wrote: > Just a suggestion ' > > Create a thread dedicated to the commercial guys. They and ONLY > they post on this thread ' their contact info, parts available, > etc. That way everyone can delete or search for that thread as > needed. The key would be NOONE Else posting in that thread.. > > Just a thought.. > > David McGirt > Yak52 TW > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Lou > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:56 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion > > Gentlemen of the Yaklist (Nanchang list) > > When I started to restore my cj6a 12 years ago and paid $1100 to get > a part made that now retails for less than $100 Doug in usa Walt in > canada and some others, I found these blokes on the red star pilots > association as it was then called was a great help to me as I didn't > know who would support these wonderful aircraft, to stop these > blokes for advertising on the yak list what they have in stock is > far more damaging then not having them advertise, very easy to hit > the delete button if you want don't want to read the mail, I live in > Australia which is a lot closer to china than you blokes and I have > had parts supplied from Doug and others at very reasonable prices I > think of us as a community of friends with a common interest so > don't stuff up a good list. > Ps I have made a new friend in North Carolina because of this list. > > Regards Lou > From: Frank > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion > > Richard > As to commercial activities on this list..................... > Seems to me things are going along great with the list the way it > is. People let people know about their products. A limited, > targeted, special interest type commercial activity isn't a problem > until it becomes spam (read that to mean repeated postings to where > people get sick of it). Let people know what you got but don't make > a nuisance of yourself with "advertising like" activities. I think > that is the secret to a list like this. Most people want to know > what's available out there but if it's pounded into their heads like > a commercial it won't go over too well. > Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Goode > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:55 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Commerce > > It has never been clear to me what the position of the list is in > relation to commercial activities. On one hand I have seen that it > is supposed to be a forum for exchange of ideas etc, and NOT for > anything commercial, but on the other hand I see blatantly > commercial postings. > > Clearly I am myself in the Yak business, although fortunately do not > have to live totally from it, but it does seem to me that there is a > need for a "commercial" Yak list, where people can post products; > aircraft; components etc. > > I have no idea what people generally think of this - is it a good > idea? > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Herefordshire > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 > www.russianaeros.com > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref= > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref= > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:34 AM PST US From: KingCJ6@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion X2 ____________________________________ From: eric@buffaloskyline.com Sent: 11/6/2009 9:55:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Personally, I think that we're all so specialized here in the Yak / CJ thread that we're probably all interested in pretty much everything that's commercially available in this category. I'm interested in both (tips and parts) and would prefer to not have look in two places. Of course repetitive stuff is a no-no, and it wouldn't work if it gets out of hand. If it gets posted once and someone misses it, others will clue him or her in. I think it works OK as it is. -Eric N52EW ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:55 AM PST US From: Didier Blouzard Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Hi all, I follow all your tought very carrefully. I must say that knowing who can propose what is of great help anywhere in the world. I enjoy knowing who has what part and if I get annoyed I just hit the delete button. I like this list just the way it is. But I would like it anyway. Kind regards 2009/11/6 > > X2 > > ------------------------------ > From: eric@buffaloskyline.com > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: 11/6/2009 9:55:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion > > Personally, I think that we're all so specialized here in the Yak / CJ > thread that we're probably all interested in pretty much everything that's > commercially available in this category. I'm interested in both (tips and > parts) and would prefer to not have look in two places. Of course repetitive > stuff is a no-no, and it wouldn't work if it gets out of hand. If it gets > posted once and someone misses it, others will clue him or her in. I think > it works OK as it is. > > -Eric N52EW > > * > > > * > > -- Didier BLOUZARD didier.blouzard@gmail.com 0624243672 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:01 AM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tip from the folks at Simple Green Call Kregg at Victory Aero for your Cleaner.. Kregg Victory 408-729-7635 Office 408-836-5122 Cell www.balancemyprop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "N642K" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Yak-List: Tip from the folks at Simple Green > > Called Simple Green Corporate Offices looking for a local source for > Simple Green Extreme (non corrosive simple green degreaser). She sent me > to Home Depot. Home Depot brand ProHD degreaser IS simple green extreme! > $4.00/gallon cheaper than aircraft spruce and no shipping charges! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271372#271372 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:17 AM PST US From: Warren Hill Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion I agree with Eric. We're all in this together and if someone has a service or product that would be of value to a CJ or YAK owner, it's clearly something worthwhile to know about. This is such a specialized and small part of the aviation community, I think that anything posted about these airplanes is worth seeing. And to be made to go to a separate list for this would, at the very least dilute the forum and more than likely be a complete waste of time. If Doug, with his unique experience that can serve as filter for the rest of us, says that xyz fuel totalizer works great for the CJ, that's something worth knowing. Warren Hill N867PA On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Eric Wobschall wrote: > Personally, I think that we're all so specialized here in the Yak / > CJ thread that we're probably all interested in pretty much > everything that's commercially available in this category. I'm > interested in both (tips and parts) and would prefer to not have > look in two places. Of course repetitive stuff is a no-no, and it > wouldn't work if it gets out of hand. If it gets posted once and > someone misses it, others will clue him or her in. I think it works > OK as it is. > > -Eric N52EW > > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:51 AM, David McGirt wrote: > >> Just a suggestion >> >> Create a thread dedicated to the commercial guys. They and ONLY >> they post on this thread their contact info, parts available, >> etc. That way everyone can delete or search for that thread as >> needed. The key would be NOONE Else posting in that thread.. >> >> Just a thought.. >> >> David McGirt >> Yak52 TW >> >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> ] On Behalf Of Lou >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:56 AM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion >> >> Gentlemen of the Yaklist (Nanchang list) >> >> When I started to restore my cj6a 12 years ago and paid $1100 to >> get a part made that now retails for less than $100 Doug in usa >> Walt in canada and some others, I found these blokes on the red >> star pilots association as it was then called was a great help to >> me as I didn't know who would support these wonderful aircraft, to >> stop these blokes for advertising on the yak list what they have in >> stock is far more damaging then not having them advertise, very >> easy to hit the delete button if you want don't want to read the >> mail, I live in Australia which is a lot closer to china than you >> blokes and I have had parts supplied from Doug and others at very >> reasonable prices I think of us as a community of friends with a >> common interest so don't stuff up a good list. >> Ps I have made a new friend in North Carolina because of this list. >> >> Regards Lou >> From: Frank >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion >> >> Richard >> As to commercial activities on this list..................... >> Seems to me things are going along great with the list the way it >> is. People let people know about their products. A limited, >> targeted, special interest type commercial activity isn't a problem >> until it becomes spam (read that to mean repeated postings to where >> people get sick of it). Let people know what you got but don't make >> a nuisance of yourself with "advertising like" activities. I think >> that is the secret to a list like this. Most people want to know >> what's available out there but if it's pounded into their heads >> like a commercial it won't go over too well. >> Frank >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Richard Goode >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:55 AM >> Subject: Yak-List: Commerce >> >> It has never been clear to me what the position of the list is in >> relation to commercial activities. On one hand I have seen that >> it is supposed to be a forum for exchange of ideas etc, and NOT for >> anything commercial, but on the other hand I see blatantly >> commercial postings. >> >> Clearly I am myself in the Yak business, although fortunately do >> not have to live totally from it, but it does seem to me that there >> is a need for a "commercial" Yak list, where people can post >> products; aircraft; components etc. >> >> I have no idea what people generally think of this - is it a good >> idea? >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Herefordshire >> HR5 3LW >> United Kingdom >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref= >> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref= >> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >> ">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text- >> decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:18 PM PST US From: delfin Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion I must say that sharing tips and also sharing sources for parts is-THE re ason that I read- YAK matronics.- As these aircraft become older, parts are-becoming more and more difficult to find and we need to explore ever y avenue together. -I'm concerned that we may see a time we these YAK par ts just wont be available.- Even now, I have written numerous vendors for parts with no luck.- Converting to use western parts (for me) is not the answer. I'm struggling to find NOS parts and its not easy. thanks for lett ing me vent. - -=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo! ://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:40 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Any post for parts or service with the statement "Contact me off-list for further information" should be satisfactory. I for one am happy to see such postings. And I am fairly certain most people on this list are glad to know where parts or a service related to our specialized aircraft can be found. If it is or becomes spam, it can easily be blocked by Matt Draile. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Hill To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion I agree with Eric. We're all in this together and if someone has a service or product that would be of value to a CJ or YAK owner, it's clearly something worthwhile to know about. This is such a specialized and small part of the aviation community, I think that anything posted about these airplanes is worth seeing. And to be made to go to a separate list for this would, at the very least dilute the forum and more than likely be a complete waste of time. If Doug, with his unique experience that can serve as filter for the rest of us, says that xyz fuel totalizer works great for the CJ, that's something worth knowing. Warren Hill N867PA On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Eric Wobschall wrote: > Personally, I think that we're all so specialized here in the Yak / > CJ thread that we're probably all interested in pretty much > everything that's commercially available in this category. I'm > interested in both (tips and parts) and would prefer to not have > look in two places. Of course repetitive stuff is a no-no, and it > wouldn't work if it gets out of hand. If it gets posted once and > someone misses it, others will clue him or her in. I think it works > OK as it is. > > -Eric N52EW > > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:51 AM, David McGirt wrote: > >> Just a suggestion ' >> >> Create a thread dedicated to the commercial guys. They and ONLY >> they post on this thread ' their contact info, parts available, >> etc. That way everyone can delete or search for that thread as >> needed. The key would be NOONE Else posting in that thread.. >> >> Just a thought.. >> >> David McGirt >> Yak52 TW >> >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> ] On Behalf Of Lou >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:56 AM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion >> >> Gentlemen of the Yaklist (Nanchang list) >> >> When I started to restore my cj6a 12 years ago and paid $1100 to >> get a part made that now retails for less than $100 Doug in usa >> Walt in canada and some others, I found these blokes on the red >> star pilots association as it was then called was a great help to >> me as I didn't know who would support these wonderful aircraft, to >> stop these blokes for advertising on the yak list what they have in >> stock is far more damaging then not having them advertise, very >> easy to hit the delete button if you want don't want to read the >> mail, I live in Australia which is a lot closer to china than you >> blokes and I have had parts supplied from Doug and others at very >> reasonable prices I think of us as a community of friends with a >> common interest so don't stuff up a good list. >> Ps I have made a new friend in North Carolina because of this list. >> >> Regards Lou >> From: Frank >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion >> >> Richard >> As to commercial activities on this list..................... >> Seems to me things are going along great with the list the way it >> is. People let people know about their products. A limited, >> targeted, special interest type commercial activity isn't a problem >> until it becomes spam (read that to mean repeated postings to where >> people get sick of it). Let people know what you got but don't make >> a nuisance of yourself with "advertising like" activities. I think >> that is the secret to a list like this. Most people want to know >> what's available out there but if it's pounded into their heads >> like a commercial it won't go over too well. >> Frank >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Richard Goode >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:55 AM >> Subject: Yak-List: Commerce >> >> It has never been clear to me what the position of the list is in >> relation to commercial activities. On one hand I have seen that >> it is supposed to be a forum for exchange of ideas etc, and NOT for >> anything commercial, but on the other hand I see blatantly >> commercial postings. >> >> Clearly I am myself in the Yak business, although fortunately do >> not have to live totally from it, but it does seem to me that there >> is a need for a "commercial" Yak list, where people can post >> products; aircraft; components etc. >> >> I have no idea what people generally think of this - is it a good >> idea? >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Herefordshire >> HR5 3LW >> United Kingdom >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href= >> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href= >> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >> ">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text- >> decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:43 PM PST US From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion Group, Personally, I do not like to see shotgun approach to selling parts on the list. I do not mind seeing someone saying, I have parts for sale, contact me off list. Or someone who has developed a new product for our aircraft. But then I also get tired of seeing post with "I agree with you". Those should be sent to the individual email address. Laterrrrrrr John Fischer California City, CA At 11:47 AM 11/6/2009, you wrote: > >I agree with Eric. We're all in this together and if someone has a >service or product that would be of value to a CJ or YAK owner, it's >clearly something worthwhile to know about. This is such a specialized >and small part of the aviation community, I think that anything posted >about these airplanes is worth seeing. And to be made to go to a >separate list for this would, at the very least dilute the forum and >more than likely be a complete waste of time. If Doug, with his unique >experience that can serve as filter for the rest of us, says that xyz >fuel totalizer works great for the CJ, that's something worth knowing. > >Warren Hill >N867PA > >On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Eric Wobschall wrote: > >>Personally, I think that we're all so specialized here in the Yak / >>CJ thread that we're probably all interested in pretty much >>everything that's commercially available in this category. I'm >>interested in both (tips and parts) and would prefer to not have >>look in two places. Of course repetitive stuff is a no-no, and it >>wouldn't work if it gets out of hand. If it gets posted once and >>someone misses it, others will clue him or her in. I think it works >>OK as it is. >> >>-Eric N52EW >> >> >>On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:51 AM, David McGirt wrote: >> >>>Just a suggestion >>> >>>Create a thread dedicated to the commercial guys. They and ONLY >>>they post on this thread their contact info, parts available, >>>etc. That way everyone can delete or search for that thread as >>>needed. The key would be NOONE Else posting in that thread.. >>> >>>Just a thought.. >>> >>>David McGirt >>>Yak52 TW >>> >>> >>>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Lou >>>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:56 AM >>>To: yak-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion >>> >>>Gentlemen of the Yaklist (Nanchang list) >>> >>>When I started to restore my cj6a 12 years ago and paid $1100 to >>>get a part made that now retails for less than $100 Doug in usa >>>Walt in canada and some others, I found these blokes on the red >>>star pilots association as it was then called was a great help to >>>me as I didn't know who would support these wonderful aircraft, to >>>stop these blokes for advertising on the yak list what they have in >>>stock is far more damaging then not having them advertise, very >>>easy to hit the delete button if you want don't want to read the >>>mail, I live in Australia which is a lot closer to china than you >>>blokes and I have had parts supplied from Doug and others at very >>>reasonable prices I think of us as a community of friends with a >>>common interest so don't stuff up a good list. >>>Ps I have made a new friend in North Carolina because of this list. >>> >>>Regards Lou >>>From: Frank >>>To: yak-list@matronics.com >>>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:59 PM >>>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion >>> >>>Richard >>>As to commercial activities on this list..................... >>>Seems to me things are going along great with the list the way it >>>is. People let people know about their products. A limited, >>>targeted, special interest type commercial activity isn't a problem >>>until it becomes spam (read that to mean repeated postings to where >>>people get sick of it). Let people know what you got but don't make >>>a nuisance of yourself with "advertising like" activities. I think >>>that is the secret to a list like this. Most people want to know >>>what's available out there but if it's pounded into their heads >>>like a commercial it won't go over too well. >>>Frank >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Richard Goode >>>To: yak-list@matronics.com >>>Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:55 AM >>>Subject: Yak-List: Commerce >>> >>>It has never been clear to me what the position of the list is in >>>relation to commercial activities. On one hand I have seen that >>>it is supposed to be a forum for exchange of ideas etc, and NOT for >>>anything commercial, but on the other hand I see blatantly >>>commercial postings. >>> >>>Clearly I am myself in the Yak business, although fortunately do >>>not have to live totally from it, but it does seem to me that there >>>is a need for a "commercial" Yak list, where people can post >>>products; aircraft; components etc. >>> >>>I have no idea what people generally think of this - is it a good >>>idea? >>> >>>Richard Goode Aerobatics >>>Rhodds Farm >>>Lyonshall >>>Herefordshire >>>HR5 3LW >>>United Kingdom >>> >>>Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 >>>Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 >>>www.russianaeros.com >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref= >>>"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref= >>>"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> >>>www.aeroelectric.com >>>www.buildersbooks.com >>>www.homebuilthelp.com >>>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >>>http://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> >>>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >>>">www.aeroelectric.com >>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" >>>style="color: blue; text- decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com >>>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>style="color: blue; text-decoration: >>>underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>style="color: blue; text-decoration: >>>underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >>>blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:32 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. Well.alrighty then.don't call Pappy. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. But Pappy has an M14 and not the original Housai 285. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. Jon, Give Pappy a call. He has a B&C in his CJ. doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. MALS-14 64E" I would suggest calling the owner of B&C himself. He is a terrific person, DEDICATED to making a great product and knows these issues like the back of his hand. If you do, please tell him I said hello and wish him well. I strongly believe in this mans products and would purchase anything he sells without hesitation. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jblake207@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: Yak-List: B&C alternator conversion on a stock CJ. Does anyone out there have any advice on installing the B&C alternator on a stock CJ? I ask because I'm hearing a couple different things about adaptor plates, oil seals, special gears, etc. I've ordered the alternator and VR from B&C, an adaptor plate from Doug Sapp, but would really like to hear from someone who has been there and done that just to make sure we aren't missing something. Please contact off list at jblake207@comcast.net or voice 334-791-5690. Thanks, -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get the Annual link Free * AeroElectric http://www.matronics.com/c Thank you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics==== ===================<; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _============= ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:09 PM PST US From: "DAVID STROUD" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sell it with discretion As a bit of an outsider by putting a Huosai engine in a homebuilt, my comments might be taken as a bit obscure, but generally I think the list is pretty much of good value "AS IS " , to the majority of the audience. Every time the Sapp's , Saverese's et al post something, there's good advice and a legit direction to get your stuff up and flying again with the least amount of downtime. The Overseas input is good too and it helps to keep a broader view of this nice little world we live in. I'd say leave things alone. Two lists vying for the same audience might shortly evolve into double posts anyway....who needs that ? David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.