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0. 12:07 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle)
1. 09:03 AM - (Richard Goode)
2. 11:43 AM - BRC Aviation (Kelley Monroe)
3. 11:52 AM - Re: (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 12:27 PM - Re: (Eric Wobschall)
5. 01:20 PM - New Thunderbird Team for 2011 (jlpartington@att.net)
6. 02:24 PM - Re: New Thunderbird Team for 2011 (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 02:26 PM - Re: BRC Aviation (Hank Gibson)
8. 07:49 PM - Re: New Thunderbird Team for 2011 (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
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Craig Winkleman's list of Yak suppliers is disappointingly parochial,
listing only US organisations.
Clearly the Yak list is a US-based list, and he of course is writing
from the US.
However there are more Western Yaks outside the US, than there are
inside. (I.e. excluding all the ones in Russia etc).
Also I suspect that there are more people involved in this business,
simply because there are more countries and the business becomes more
spread out.
In addition we are in an increasingly international world, and certainly
for Yaks, this whole issue of support and spare parts etc will
undoubtedly become a lot more difficult in the future. For this reason
alone, I have no doubt that individuals will develop specific
specialities, and will be serving the Yak community on a world-wide
basis rather than a specifically national one.
I have started this thread, since I had always understood that the Yak
List was definitively NOT commercial and no commercial postings were
allowed. This seemed to me perfectly reasonable, although I run a
commercial business in the Yak world - indeed have sold more Yaks and
more engines than anyone.
The only reason that I mentioned it at the beginning was that a number
of organisations seem to be listing purely commercial messages. My
feeling was that there is probably a need for such a thing, but why not
organise it in a way that EITHER there is a separate list - although
people do not seem to like that, OR have listings from specifically
recognised people - but that does seem to be a bit limiting.
However I am sure that there are ways of controlling this to prevent
spam - or am I wrong?
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
www.russianaeros.com
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I have a paint job on my CJ that was painted by BRC Aviation in Ohio. I
was told its called a Wolfen paint job. The log book states it was
painted in Imron 5000/6000 and the formula's are on file at BRC. BRC is
now out of business. Does anyone else have this paint job or knows how
to find the paint formula's?
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You're certainly not wrong Richard. IMHO, we can control the
"commercialization" of the Yak list ourselves. Abusive use of the Yak
list by someone advertising parts or service (spamming the Yak list) can
be controlled by any yak list member by simply notifying the list
administrator and he will prevent them from continuing. Anyone on a
global basis that offers a product or service should be able to make
every Yak list member aware via the Yak list AND should include the
statement, "contact me off list for further information". Creating
multiple lists for information, parts and services that benefit the
entire global community just doesn't make sense to me. I, for one, like
to be made aware of a part or service via the Yak list. Again, this is
only my 2 cents and it is only worth what a reader has paid for it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List:
Craig Winkleman's list of Yak suppliers is disappointingly parochial,
listing only US organisations.
Clearly the Yak list is a US-based list, and he of course is writing
from the US.
However there are more Western Yaks outside the US, than there are
inside. (I.e. excluding all the ones in Russia etc).
Also I suspect that there are more people involved in this business,
simply because there are more countries and the business becomes more
spread out.
In addition we are in an increasingly international world, and
certainly for Yaks, this whole issue of support and spare parts etc will
undoubtedly become a lot more difficult in the future. For this reason
alone, I have no doubt that individuals will develop specific
specialities, and will be serving the Yak community on a world-wide
basis rather than a specifically national one.
I have started this thread, since I had always understood that the Yak
List was definitively NOT commercial and no commercial postings were
allowed. This seemed to me perfectly reasonable, although I run a
commercial business in the Yak world - indeed have sold more Yaks and
more engines than anyone.
The only reason that I mentioned it at the beginning was that a number
of organisations seem to be listing purely commercial messages. My
feeling was that there is probably a need for such a thing, but why not
organise it in a way that EITHER there is a separate list - although
people do not seem to like that, OR have listings from specifically
recognised people - but that does seem to be a bit limiting.
However I am sure that there are ways of controlling this to prevent
spam - or am I wrong?
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
www.russianaeros.com
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Richard, I agree with much of what you said, and any list without you
(especially), and the other sellers is incomplete, and I'm sure not
intentional. Lord knows you've had stuff we've needed that no one over
here had. Even so, I think even with everyone mentioned, it's unlikely
to be viewed (by the likes of us) as spam, assuming it's kept within
sensible boundaries. If you have something new, I want to know about
it. And of course, if someone's looking for something, users should
pipe up and say where it can be found (which is what happens now).
Things that seem like repetitive advertising, not so much. It's not
that I think a separate commercial list is such a bad idea, but I
suspect that everyone would subscribe to both anyway, and it would
look the same in your inbox. If the commercial one became obnoxious,
it would be unsubscribed by everyone and we would miss out on the
stuff we wanted to actually know about. I think a combination of taste
and a little tolerance would do it. Just my sixpence.
On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> Craig Winkleman's list of Yak suppliers is disappointingly
> parochial, listing only US organisations.
>
> Clearly the Yak list is a US-based list, and he of course is writing
> from the US.
>
> However there are more Western Yaks outside the US, than there are
> inside. (I.e. excluding all the ones in Russia etc).
>
> Also I suspect that there are more people involved in this business,
> simply because there are more countries and the business becomes
> more spread out.
>
> In addition we are in an increasingly international world, and
> certainly for Yaks, this whole issue of support and spare parts etc
> will undoubtedly become a lot more difficult in the future. For
> this reason alone, I have no doubt that individuals will develop
> specific specialities, and will be serving the Yak community on a
> world-wide basis rather than a specifically national one.
>
> I have started this thread, since I had always understood that the
> Yak List was definitively NOT commercial and no commercial postings
> were allowed. This seemed to me perfectly reasonable, although I
> run a commercial business in the Yak world - indeed have sold more
> Yaks and more engines than anyone.
>
> The only reason that I mentioned it at the beginning was that a
> number of organisations seem to be listing purely commercial
> messages. My feeling was that there is probably a need for such a
> thing, but why not organise it in a way that EITHER there is a
> separate list - although people do not seem to like that, OR have
> listings from specifically recognised people - but that does seem to
> be a bit limiting.
>
> However I am sure that there are ways of controlling this to prevent
> spam - or am I wrong?
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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| Subject: | New Thunderbird Team for 2011 |
Say it isn=99t so!
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| Subject: | Re: New Thunderbird Team for 2011 |
Two or three is out of position. Not too sharp for a Thunderbird team!
:-)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: jlpartington@att.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New Thunderbird Team for 2011
Say it isn=99t so!
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| Subject: | Re: BRC Aviation |
Kelley- my bird was also done in an Imron 5000 by Air
Spectrum at Quincy, Illinois by a guy named Rodney who
also paints L-39's from AirUSA at the same airport.
Give him a call at 217-885-3455. He may be able to
help you.
Hank
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: BRC Aviation
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| Subject: | New Thunderbird Team for 2011 |
3=99s doing pretty good for a R/C driver.
doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jlpartington@att.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New Thunderbird Team for 2011
Say it isn=99t so!
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