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1. 05:31 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Terry Calloway)
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4. 07:22 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Jeff Pritchard)
5. 11:19 AM - Not the Kind of Press We Need (Craig Winkelmann)
6. 12:44 PM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (N642K)
7. 12:47 PM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (Jon Boede)
8. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (Frank)
9. 06:28 PM - Not the Kind of Press We Need (Eric Wobschall)
10. 07:04 PM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (KingCJ6@aol.com)
11. 07:24 PM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (keithmckinley)
12. 07:43 PM - Re: generator question (keithmckinley)
13. 09:02 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
For the sake of our good RPA friend Dan, I hope you are referring to the police
as "dork"s. Because I assume you have talked to Dan and know what really happened
and also know the press could never be wrong.
Pumper
On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:39AM, <Jetj01@aol.com> wrote:
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I have a new one with complete with hub I would sell. It is located in Kansas.
Contact me at 620-875-9450 if you want to discuss.
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On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 07:34PM, "todd" <tasport@msn.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
Amen. Pumper!
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com>wrot
e:
> For the sake of our good RPA friend Dan, I hope you are referring to the
police as "dork"s. Because I assume you have talked to Dan and know what
really happened and also know the press could never be wrong.
> Pumper
>
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:39AM, <Jetj01@aol.com> wrote:
> >
>
> What a dork!
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:55:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> mdecanio@mac.com writes:
>
>
> Jailed Delta pilot suspended
> Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his private plane.
>
> By Megan Matteucci
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Friday, November 13, 2009
> Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges
> he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane.
>
> Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with t
wo
> counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bo
nd
> and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=99s office
said.
>
> Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was arrested
> Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
>
> ?He is suspended pending the completion into the investigation in t
his
> incident,=9D Delta spokesman Anthony Black said Thursday.
>
> Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the airport Wednesday on
a
> report of a pilot disrupting the airport. Gryder was driving his car acro
ss
> the runway and taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
>
> Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name. After learning the
> pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to issue citations, police said.
>
> Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a 1937 DC-3A,
> police said. He started the engine and told one officer that if she moved
,
> he would strike her car, police said.
>
> The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out of the way and
> summoned backup.
>
> More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded the area and
> ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to taxi down the runway, police
> said.
>
> Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off, but he was out
> of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him to jail.
>
> Gryder=99s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting flights from
> departing or arriving, police said.
>
> ?He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45 minutes,
=9D Clanton
> said. ?His actions created a danger for all of our officers, himsel
f and
> others who lawfully use the airport.=9D
>
>
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| Subject: | Not the Kind of Press We Need |
OK, I know nothing of the Dan DC-3 incident. But if you watch this video, the
guy is not just a dork, but a super-dork.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-flyby8-2009nov08,0,7365252.story
http://www.latimes.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=410bd0e4-afa6-4cab-a045-b43903e33c5f&cat=empty&src=front
Happy watching as kids and adults scream and run from the L-39....
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need |
Just one pass, then haul ass.
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| Subject: | Not the Kind of Press We Need |
Just remember... every time every one of us flies=2C they take the fate of
the entire warbird community up with them. Gives you a warm=2C fuzzy feeli
ng=2C doesn't it? :-)
Jon
> Subject: Yak-List: Not the Kind of Press We Need
> From: capav8r@gmail.com
> Date: Sun=2C 15 Nov 2009 11:18:47 -0800
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
>
> OK=2C I know nothing of the Dan DC-3 incident. But if you watch this vid
eo=2C the guy is not just a dork=2C but a super-dork.
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-flyby8-2009nov08=2C0=2C7365252.st
ory
>
> http://www.latimes.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=410bd0e4-afa6-4cab-a045-b
43903e33c5f&cat=empty&src=front
>
> Happy watching as kids and adults scream and run from the L-39....
>
> Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need |
Personally, I'm not too much worried about a publicity stunt gone awry.
I'm worried about our Governments response to it.
The usual response is to punish the entire class because one kid chewed
bubble gum.
In other words, why does our gov take the knee jerk reaction of punishing
everybody for the actions of a few?
That's the biggest tragedy of things like this (which I don't consider a big
deal by-the-way).
Frank
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| Subject: | Not the Kind of Press We Need |
Frank, I share your distaste for political over-reaction without
knowing the big picture. Predictable, though.
Screaming in, unannounced on the Santa Monica Pier in an Albatross is
the height of stupidity and the "government" could hardly be expected
to ignored it. We as airshow types might have been thrilled, but this
(the pier) was not an actual airshow location, and It scared the hell
out of people. It might not be fair to punish everyone, but what do
you expect?
The reality is that the "entire class" that you refer to (meaning us)
is a niche group, and the outcry is by the greater community
(supposedly). Under those circumstances, you can expect politicians to
come down in deference to the majority every time, especially where
the behavior was apparently reckless. If we're to be allowed waivers
and other things we need, this can't be accepted by us, either. Having
said this, I would hope that any (government) sanction would be
directed only towards the offending pilot. Not always realistic,
unfortunately.
I only know what i read about it here, and in the articles attached,
and from the video clip. So, admittedly, I'm characterizing the
actions of the L-39 pilot with the caveat that we may not know all of
the details. For example, he may have thought he had permission from
someone who denied it later after the pubic reaction. Even if that
were the case, I think most airshow pilots have enough imagination to
realize such a stunt has a high disaster potential (and I mean that in
the P.R. sense).
Airshow performers are special individuals, and that's why people want
to watch them. But let's remember that arranging for airshow events,
practice boxes and all of the other things we love takes countless
hours of organization, red tape cutting and arse kissing by many
people. To undo all of that in one stroke is really bone-headed.
Finally, anyone who's been around this business knows that the
military is not set up to train pilots in planes that aren't currently
in the fleet. In most cases, civilian pilots are the only ones answer.
Try explaining that to the general public during the political s**t
storm that follows an unfortunate event like this. Better to not open
that can of worms in the first place, huh?
Incidentally, I love your links page, Frank... Top of my favorites list.
On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Frank wrote:
>
> Personally, I'm not too much worried about a publicity stunt gone
> awry.
>
> I'm worried about our Governments response to it.
>
> The usual response is to punish the entire class because one kid
> chewed bubble gum.
>
> In other words, why does our gov take the knee jerk reaction of
> punishing everybody for the actions of a few?
>
> That's the biggest tragedy of things like this (which I don't
> consider a big deal by-the-way).
>
> Frank
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need |
Here's the issue, the actions of this idiot may well impact all in the
experimental community:
"The incident has prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to take a
harder look at hundreds of experimental exhibition aircraft in its Western
Pacific region: California, Arizona, Nevada and Hawaii. There are about
5,600 planes with that designation in the United States, including aircraft
like Riggs' 1973 Aero Vodochody L-39 Albatros, one of the most popular Soviet
bloc trainers during the Cold War."
A note from the President of the T-34 Association on their problems:
"...On December 10, 2004, three days after the third crash, the FAA
grounded the entire fleet. It took us six months to get them flying, with
significant flight restrictions. We still have 2/3 of our fleet operating under
those restrictions and they will all be grounded next May 15 if we don't get
the next AMOC approved and a calendar extension to the AD. It has been and
is a five year nightmare."
While this was a fatigue related issue with the T-34's, the FAA has no
compelling reason to keep us flying and every reason to look for plausible
reasons to mitigate any losses we, as a flying community, may present. The
T-34's were at least allowed to taxi their aircraft for maintenance purposes
during the grounding.
Dave
In a message dated 11/15/2009 6:29:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
eric@buffaloskyline.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
Frank, I share your distaste for political over-reaction without
knowing the big picture. Predictable, though.
Screaming in, unannounced on the Santa Monica Pier in an Albatross is
the height of stupidity and the "government" could hardly be expected
to ignored it. We as airshow types might have been thrilled, but this
(the pier) was not an actual airshow location, and It scared the hell
out of people. It might not be fair to punish everyone, but what do
you expect?
The reality is that the "entire class" that you refer to (meaning us)
is a niche group, and the outcry is by the greater community
(supposedly). Under those circumstances, you can expect politicians to
come down in deference to the majority every time, especially where
the behavior was apparently reckless. If we're to be allowed waivers
and other things we need, this can't be accepted by us, either. Having
said this, I would hope that any (government) sanction would be
directed only towards the offending pilot. Not always realistic,
unfortunately.
I only know what i read about it here, and in the articles attached,
and from the video clip. So, admittedly, I'm characterizing the
actions of the L-39 pilot with the caveat that we may not know all of
the details. For example, he may have thought he had permission from
someone who denied it later after the pubic reaction. Even if that
were the case, I think most airshow pilots have enough imagination to
realize such a stunt has a high disaster potential (and I mean that in
the P.R. sense).
Airshow performers are special individuals, and that's why people want
to watch them. But let's remember that arranging for airshow events,
practice boxes and all of the other things we love takes countless
hours of organization, red tape cutting and arse kissing by many
people. To undo all of that in one stroke is really bone-headed.
Finally, anyone who's been around this business knows that the
military is not set up to train pilots in planes that aren't currently
in the fleet. In most cases, civilian pilots are the only ones answer.
Try explaining that to the general public during the political s**t
storm that follows an unfortunate event like this. Better to not open
that can of worms in the first place, huh?
Incidentally, I love your links page, Frank... Top of my favorites list.
On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Frank wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank" <frank@orionite.com>
>
> Personally, I'm not too much worried about a publicity stunt gone
> awry.
>
> I'm worried about our Governments response to it.
>
> The usual response is to punish the entire class because one kid
> chewed bubble gum.
>
> In other words, why does our gov take the knee jerk reaction of
> punishing everybody for the actions of a few?
>
> That's the biggest tragedy of things like this (which I don't
> consider a big deal by-the-way).
>
> Frank
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
OK as a fellow Delta pilot I don't condone this crap but if you read closely, the
officers were Code Enforcement officers. Otherwise know as building inspectors
in small towns. I have dealt with these "CEO's" and they carry a lot of clout
with minimal knowledge. Usually not helpful folks in my neck of the woods.
While I have never tried to run them down with my plane, other methods of "revenge"
have crossed my mind!
kidding....
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: generator question |
Hey Hoser,
Mark Bitterlich seems to be the electron guru around here and if you say some
nice things about the most elite fighting force in the world he might answer.
I don't think it's unrealistic to have voltage spikes. Would it be possible to
put a transorb surge protector in the power lead for your tach? (not the P-lead
connection). Don't know, but I know they are cheap and you can get them at
radio shack. Glad to hear the instrument has some built in protection..pretty
pricey
What you been up to?
Semper Fi,
Wiz
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
This is better than an action B movie or a soap opera.
http://www.ajc.com/news/police-pilot-tried-to-194150.html Having the
testicular fortitude to ask the cops to send a fuel truck to top you off
on the active while being surrounded by the police after allegedly
trying to run-over them with your 1937 DC-3priceless. There has
to be some Hollywood producer out there that would want to tell this
mavericks=99 story on celluloid. Maybe the same one that
auditioned the L-39 fly-bys over the Santa Monica pier.
For the inquiring minds a couple of more urls to this misadventure of an
intrepid DC-3 driver.
http://www.ajc.com/news/delta-suspends-jailed-pilot-195178.html and
http://www.ajc.com/news/delta-suspends-jailed-pilot-195178.html?cxntlid=
daylf_artr Must have been a slow news day for the ATL Journal
Constitution on the 11th.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Pritchard
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:05 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
Amen. Pumper!
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com>
wrote:
For the sake of our good RPA friend Dan, I hope you are referring to the
police as "dork"s. Because I assume you have talked to Dan and know
what really happened and also know the press could never be wrong.
Pumper
On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:39AM, <Jetj01@aol.com> wrote:
>
What a dork!
In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:55:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mdecanio@mac.com writes:
Jailed Delta pilot suspended
Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his private plane.
By Megan Matteucci
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Friday, November 13, 2009
Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate
charges he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his
private plane.
Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with
two counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held
without bond and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the
sheriff=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s office said.
Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was arrested
Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
=C3=A2=82=AC?He is suspended pending the completion into the
investigation in this incident,=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Delta spokesman
Anthony Black said Thursday.
Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the airport Wednesday
on a report of a pilot disrupting the airport. Gryder was driving his
car across the runway and taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan
Clanton said.
Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name. After learning
the pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to issue citations, police
said.
Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a 1937 DC-3A,
police said. He started the engine and told one officer that if she
moved, he would strike her car, police said.
The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out of the way
and summoned backup.
More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded the area and
ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to taxi down the runway,
police said.
Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off, but he was
out of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him to jail.
Gryder=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s actions disrupted air traffic,
prohibiting flights from departing or arriving, police said.
=C3=A2=82=AC?He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45
minutes,=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Clanton said. =C3=A2=82=AC?His actions
created a danger for all of our officers, himself and others who
lawfully use the airport.=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D
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