---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/15/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:31 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Terry Calloway) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: prop (rick@rvairshows.com) 3. 05:35 AM - Re: prop (Terry Calloway) 4. 07:22 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Jeff Pritchard) 5. 11:19 AM - Not the Kind of Press We Need (Craig Winkelmann) 6. 12:44 PM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (N642K) 7. 12:47 PM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (Jon Boede) 8. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (Frank) 9. 06:28 PM - Not the Kind of Press We Need (Eric Wobschall) 10. 07:04 PM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (KingCJ6@aol.com) 11. 07:24 PM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (keithmckinley) 12. 07:43 PM - Re: generator question (keithmckinley) 13. 09:02 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Roger Kemp M.D.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:25 AM PST US From: Terry Calloway Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News For the sake of our good RPA friend Dan, I hope you are referring to the police as "dork"s. Because I assume you have talked to Dan and know what really happened and also know the press could never be wrong. Pumper On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:39AM, wrote: > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: prop From: rick@rvairshows.com Contact me off list if you are interested in V530 hub with GT blades. Over 50 sets flying on Yaks in Europ e. Rick Volker Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "todd" Subject: Yak-List: prop This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:15 AM PST US From: Terry Calloway Subject: Re: Yak-List: prop I have a new one with complete with hub I would sell. It is located in Kansas. Contact me at 620-875-9450 if you want to discuss. Pumper On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 07:34PM, "todd" wrote: > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News From: Jeff Pritchard Amen. Pumper! On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Terry Calloway wrot e: > For the sake of our good RPA friend Dan, I hope you are referring to the police as "dork"s. Because I assume you have talked to Dan and know what really happened and also know the press could never be wrong. > Pumper > > > On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:39AM, wrote: > > > > What a dork! > > In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:55:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, > mdecanio@mac.com writes: > > > Jailed Delta pilot suspended > Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his private plane. > > By Megan Matteucci > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution > Friday, November 13, 2009 > Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges > he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane. > > Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with t wo > counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bo nd > and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=99s office said. > > Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was arrested > Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport. > > ?He is suspended pending the completion into the investigation in t his > incident,=9D Delta spokesman Anthony Black said Thursday. > > Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the airport Wednesday on a > report of a pilot disrupting the airport. Gryder was driving his car acro ss > the runway and taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said. > > Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name. After learning the > pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to issue citations, police said. > > Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a 1937 DC-3A, > police said. He started the engine and told one officer that if she moved , > he would strike her car, police said. > > The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out of the way and > summoned backup. > > More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded the area and > ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to taxi down the runway, police > said. > > Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off, but he was out > of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him to jail. > > Gryder=99s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting flights from > departing or arriving, police said. > > ?He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45 minutes, =9D Clanton > said. ?His actions created a danger for all of our officers, himsel f and > others who lawfully use the airport.=9D > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272747#272747==== ================= > _nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to find Gifts tric re b k you > for p; -Matt Dralle, List ========= =============== e > ties Day ===================== == - > MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================= ======= > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:25 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Not the Kind of Press We Need From: "Craig Winkelmann" OK, I know nothing of the Dan DC-3 incident. But if you watch this video, the guy is not just a dork, but a super-dork. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-flyby8-2009nov08,0,7365252.story http://www.latimes.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=410bd0e4-afa6-4cab-a045-b43903e33c5f&cat=empty&src=front Happy watching as kids and adults scream and run from the L-39.... Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272934#272934 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:15 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need From: "N642K" Just one pass, then haul ass. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272945#272945 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:07 PM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: RE: Yak-List: Not the Kind of Press We Need Just remember... every time every one of us flies=2C they take the fate of the entire warbird community up with them. Gives you a warm=2C fuzzy feeli ng=2C doesn't it? :-) Jon > Subject: Yak-List: Not the Kind of Press We Need > From: capav8r@gmail.com > Date: Sun=2C 15 Nov 2009 11:18:47 -0800 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > OK=2C I know nothing of the Dan DC-3 incident. But if you watch this vid eo=2C the guy is not just a dork=2C but a super-dork. > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-flyby8-2009nov08=2C0=2C7365252.st ory > > http://www.latimes.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=410bd0e4-afa6-4cab-a045-b 43903e33c5f&cat=empty&src=front > > Happy watching as kids and adults scream and run from the L-39.... > > Craig ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:22 PM PST US From: "Frank" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need Personally, I'm not too much worried about a publicity stunt gone awry. I'm worried about our Governments response to it. The usual response is to punish the entire class because one kid chewed bubble gum. In other words, why does our gov take the knee jerk reaction of punishing everybody for the actions of a few? That's the biggest tragedy of things like this (which I don't consider a big deal by-the-way). Frank ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:26 PM PST US From: Eric Wobschall Subject: Yak-List: Not the Kind of Press We Need Frank, I share your distaste for political over-reaction without knowing the big picture. Predictable, though. Screaming in, unannounced on the Santa Monica Pier in an Albatross is the height of stupidity and the "government" could hardly be expected to ignored it. We as airshow types might have been thrilled, but this (the pier) was not an actual airshow location, and It scared the hell out of people. It might not be fair to punish everyone, but what do you expect? The reality is that the "entire class" that you refer to (meaning us) is a niche group, and the outcry is by the greater community (supposedly). Under those circumstances, you can expect politicians to come down in deference to the majority every time, especially where the behavior was apparently reckless. If we're to be allowed waivers and other things we need, this can't be accepted by us, either. Having said this, I would hope that any (government) sanction would be directed only towards the offending pilot. Not always realistic, unfortunately. I only know what i read about it here, and in the articles attached, and from the video clip. So, admittedly, I'm characterizing the actions of the L-39 pilot with the caveat that we may not know all of the details. For example, he may have thought he had permission from someone who denied it later after the pubic reaction. Even if that were the case, I think most airshow pilots have enough imagination to realize such a stunt has a high disaster potential (and I mean that in the P.R. sense). Airshow performers are special individuals, and that's why people want to watch them. But let's remember that arranging for airshow events, practice boxes and all of the other things we love takes countless hours of organization, red tape cutting and arse kissing by many people. To undo all of that in one stroke is really bone-headed. Finally, anyone who's been around this business knows that the military is not set up to train pilots in planes that aren't currently in the fleet. In most cases, civilian pilots are the only ones answer. Try explaining that to the general public during the political s**t storm that follows an unfortunate event like this. Better to not open that can of worms in the first place, huh? Incidentally, I love your links page, Frank... Top of my favorites list. On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Frank wrote: > > Personally, I'm not too much worried about a publicity stunt gone > awry. > > I'm worried about our Governments response to it. > > The usual response is to punish the entire class because one kid > chewed bubble gum. > > In other words, why does our gov take the knee jerk reaction of > punishing everybody for the actions of a few? > > That's the biggest tragedy of things like this (which I don't > consider a big deal by-the-way). > > Frank > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:33 PM PST US From: KingCJ6@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Not the Kind of Press We Need Here's the issue, the actions of this idiot may well impact all in the experimental community: "The incident has prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to take a harder look at hundreds of experimental exhibition aircraft in its Western Pacific region: California, Arizona, Nevada and Hawaii. There are about 5,600 planes with that designation in the United States, including aircraft like Riggs' 1973 Aero Vodochody L-39 Albatros, one of the most popular Soviet bloc trainers during the Cold War." A note from the President of the T-34 Association on their problems: "...On December 10, 2004, three days after the third crash, the FAA grounded the entire fleet. It took us six months to get them flying, with significant flight restrictions. We still have 2/3 of our fleet operating under those restrictions and they will all be grounded next May 15 if we don't get the next AMOC approved and a calendar extension to the AD. It has been and is a five year nightmare." While this was a fatigue related issue with the T-34's, the FAA has no compelling reason to keep us flying and every reason to look for plausible reasons to mitigate any losses we, as a flying community, may present. The T-34's were at least allowed to taxi their aircraft for maintenance purposes during the grounding. Dave In a message dated 11/15/2009 6:29:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, eric@buffaloskyline.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Eric Wobschall Frank, I share your distaste for political over-reaction without knowing the big picture. Predictable, though. Screaming in, unannounced on the Santa Monica Pier in an Albatross is the height of stupidity and the "government" could hardly be expected to ignored it. We as airshow types might have been thrilled, but this (the pier) was not an actual airshow location, and It scared the hell out of people. It might not be fair to punish everyone, but what do you expect? The reality is that the "entire class" that you refer to (meaning us) is a niche group, and the outcry is by the greater community (supposedly). Under those circumstances, you can expect politicians to come down in deference to the majority every time, especially where the behavior was apparently reckless. If we're to be allowed waivers and other things we need, this can't be accepted by us, either. Having said this, I would hope that any (government) sanction would be directed only towards the offending pilot. Not always realistic, unfortunately. I only know what i read about it here, and in the articles attached, and from the video clip. So, admittedly, I'm characterizing the actions of the L-39 pilot with the caveat that we may not know all of the details. For example, he may have thought he had permission from someone who denied it later after the pubic reaction. Even if that were the case, I think most airshow pilots have enough imagination to realize such a stunt has a high disaster potential (and I mean that in the P.R. sense). Airshow performers are special individuals, and that's why people want to watch them. But let's remember that arranging for airshow events, practice boxes and all of the other things we love takes countless hours of organization, red tape cutting and arse kissing by many people. To undo all of that in one stroke is really bone-headed. Finally, anyone who's been around this business knows that the military is not set up to train pilots in planes that aren't currently in the fleet. In most cases, civilian pilots are the only ones answer. Try explaining that to the general public during the political s**t storm that follows an unfortunate event like this. Better to not open that can of worms in the first place, huh? Incidentally, I love your links page, Frank... Top of my favorites list. On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Frank wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank" > > Personally, I'm not too much worried about a publicity stunt gone > awry. > > I'm worried about our Governments response to it. > > The usual response is to punish the entire class because one kid > chewed bubble gum. > > In other words, why does our gov take the knee jerk reaction of > punishing everybody for the actions of a few? > > That's the biggest tragedy of things like this (which I don't > consider a big deal by-the-way). > > Frank ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:19 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News From: "keithmckinley" OK as a fellow Delta pilot I don't condone this crap but if you read closely, the officers were Code Enforcement officers. Otherwise know as building inspectors in small towns. I have dealt with these "CEO's" and they carry a lot of clout with minimal knowledge. Usually not helpful folks in my neck of the woods. While I have never tried to run them down with my plane, other methods of "revenge" have crossed my mind! kidding.... -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273002#273002 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:19 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: generator question From: "keithmckinley" Hey Hoser, Mark Bitterlich seems to be the electron guru around here and if you say some nice things about the most elite fighting force in the world he might answer. I don't think it's unrealistic to have voltage spikes. Would it be possible to put a transorb surge protector in the power lead for your tach? (not the P-lead connection). Don't know, but I know they are cheap and you can get them at radio shack. Glad to hear the instrument has some built in protection..pretty pricey What you been up to? Semper Fi, Wiz -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273004#273004 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:04 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News This is better than an action B movie or a soap opera. http://www.ajc.com/news/police-pilot-tried-to-194150.html Having the testicular fortitude to ask the cops to send a fuel truck to top you off on the active while being surrounded by the police after allegedly trying to run-over them with your 1937 DC-3priceless. There has to be some Hollywood producer out there that would want to tell this mavericks=99 story on celluloid. Maybe the same one that auditioned the L-39 fly-bys over the Santa Monica pier. For the inquiring minds a couple of more urls to this misadventure of an intrepid DC-3 driver. http://www.ajc.com/news/delta-suspends-jailed-pilot-195178.html and http://www.ajc.com/news/delta-suspends-jailed-pilot-195178.html?cxntlid= daylf_artr Must have been a slow news day for the ATL Journal Constitution on the 11th. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Pritchard Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News Amen. Pumper! On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Terry Calloway wrote: For the sake of our good RPA friend Dan, I hope you are referring to the police as "dork"s. Because I assume you have talked to Dan and know what really happened and also know the press could never be wrong. Pumper On Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:39AM, wrote: > What a dork! In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:55:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, mdecanio@mac.com writes: Jailed Delta pilot suspended Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his private plane. By Megan Matteucci The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Friday, November 13, 2009 Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane. Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with two counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s office said. Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was arrested Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport. =C3=A2=82=AC?He is suspended pending the completion into the investigation in this incident,=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Delta spokesman Anthony Black said Thursday. Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the airport Wednesday on a report of a pilot disrupting the airport. Gryder was driving his car across the runway and taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said. Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name. After learning the pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to issue citations, police said. Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a 1937 DC-3A, police said. He started the engine and told one officer that if she moved, he would strike her car, police said. The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out of the way and summoned backup. More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded the area and ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to taxi down the runway, police said. Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off, but he was out of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him to jail. Gryder=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting flights from departing or arriving, police said. =C3=A2=82=AC?He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45 minutes,=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Clanton said. =C3=A2=82=AC?His actions created a danger for all of our officers, himself and others who lawfully use the airport.=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272747#272747===== ================ _nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to find Gifts tric re b k you for p; -Matt Dralle, List ======================== e ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.