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1. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: generator question (Terry Calloway)
2. 07:34 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: generator question (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Didier Blouzard)
5. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: generator question (Terry Calloway)
6. 08:52 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (xiaobao)
7. 10:07 AM - Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (barryhancock)
8. 10:27 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Yak Pilot)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Yak Pilot)
10. 10:41 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Yak Pilot)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need (Warren Hill)
12. 11:32 AM - TSA run amok (Roger Baker)
13. 12:31 PM - YAK 50 prop governor cable (Roger Kemp M.D.)
14. 02:03 PM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Didier Blouzard)
15. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: generator question (Jim Griffin)
16. 09:28 PM - CJ-6 Autopilots (Ronald Kalemba)
17. 09:51 PM - Political Correctness and agencies run amok (Frank)
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| Subject: | Re: generator question |
Jim,
I had my Horizon Tach just freeze a couple of times this year. I had to land and
shut down the engine before it worked again. Did your go blank or freeze like
mine?
tc
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Jim Griffin wrote:
> To reinforce Mark's comment about checking the battery, I found that my Horizon
tach would intermittently shut down and recycle when I had a bad battery. This
has happened on 2 occasions.
> Jim Griffin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
50 years ago I graduated from Hialeah high school. Every damn bully in
that school became a Miami cop.
Pappy
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| Subject: | Re: generator question |
In a message dated 11/17/2009 9:16:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
terrycalloway@mac.com writes:
No, that never happened to me before. I wonder if you could have brought
the throttle back to idle, and momentary switched the mags to OFF, if that
could have precluded you from having to land?
I know that my Horizon tach is connected to the back of the mag switch.
Jim
Jim,
I had my Horizon Tach just freeze a couple of times this year. I had to
land and shut down the engine before it worked again. Did your go blank or
freeze like mine?
tc
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Jim Griffin wrote:
To reinforce Mark's comment about checking the battery, I found that my
Horizon tach would intermittently shut down and recycle when I had a bad
battery. This has happened on 2 occasions.
Jim Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
Hi Mark,
I would fully agree with you if there was not this freaking film of the L39
jet passing by and this history of disturbing the airport ....
Pricks are hiding everywhere!!!
What do you think about these people fleing and yelling...on my point of yo
u
it is the mark of an irresponsible if it is not an AH (means Ass Hole!!! in
french!!!!)
kind regards
2009/11/17 Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
> SO...... an Airline Transport Pilot, ... in fact one who flies for
> Delta, a company that is not known to hire idiots.... who is also rated i
n a
> DC3, shuts down a whole airport, tries to run over police officers... an
d
> Oh my GOOD GOD.... "refuses to sign a ticket". WOW!
>
> Well hell yes, SHOOT THAT SORRY PIECE OF ... well... never mind.
>
> Having had some personal experience with:
>
> 1. The news media.
> 2. Airport Administrators.
> 3. Local police departments.
>
> I would bet a LARGE sum of money that this is a rather trumped up set of
> charges because someone had the outright gall not to be totally subservie
nt
> to a Law Enforcement Officer or better yet.... God Forbid..... a freakin
g
> Building Inspector !!
>
> STOP RIGHT THERE YOU SORRY PIECE OF TRASH, GET DOWN IN THE DIRT AND PUT
> YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU HEAD, DON'T YOU KNOW I AM THE LOCAL BUILDING
> INSPECTOR? Yeah... right.
>
> Sorry Yak List Readers.... but this kind of news report just really fries
> my ass.
>
> Putting it simply.
>
> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. Oh yeah, it happened.. .but not like it has been
> reported here. No way on God's Green Earth.
>
> Of course, I could be wrong, but I really freaking doubt it. Sorry, jus
t
> my "BS meter" over-flowing and using the YAK List to vent.
>
> My sincere apologies.
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 11/13/09, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:53 PM
>
.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mdecanio@mac.com>
> >
>
> Jailed Delta pilot suspended
> Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his private plane.
>
> By Megan Matteucci
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Friday, November 13, 2009
> Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges
> he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane.
>
> Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with t
wo
> counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bo
nd
> and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=92s office said.
>
> Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was arrested
> Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
>
> =93He is suspended pending the completion into the investigation in this
> incident,=94 Delta spokesman Anthony Black said Thursday.
>
> Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the airport Wednesday on
a
> report of a pilot disrupting the airport. Gryder was driving his car acro
ss
> the runway and taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
>
> Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name. After learning the
> pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to issue citations, police said.
>
> Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a 1937 DC-3A,
> police said. He started the engine and told one officer that if she moved
,
> he would strike her car, police said.
>
> The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out of the way and
> summoned backup.
>
> More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded the area and
> ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to taxi down the runway, police
> said.
>
> Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off, but he was out
> of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him to jail.
>
> Gryder=92s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting flights from depart
ing
> or arriving, police said.
>
> =93He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45 minutes,=94 Clanton
said.
> =93His actions created a danger for all of our officers, himself and othe
rs
> who lawfully use the airport.=94
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: generator question |
Good question. I will try the mag if it happens again. When it did happen I was
local so landing was not and inconvenience.
tc
On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:53 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/17/2009 9:16:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, terrycalloway@mac.com
writes:
>
> No, that never happened to me before. I wonder if you could have brought the
throttle back to idle, and momentary switched the mags to OFF, if that could
have precluded you from having to land?
>
> I know that my Horizon tach is connected to the back of the mag switch.
>
> Jim
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| Subject: | Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News |
>> ... What do you think about these people fleing and yelling...<<
Well, thats an important part of the issue. It wasn't France, it was the Santa
Monica Pier, CALIFORNIA USA, a geograhical spot in which a goodly portion of the
population is known to mount irrational responses at the drop of hat, whining
even, on various issues in order to assert their importance.
I guess if a low pass happend in Nice onlookers would be cheering, like they do
in other parts of the world.
Jack
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:02 AM
> Hi Mark,
>
> I would fully agree with you if there was not this
> freaking film of the L39 jet passing by and this history of
> disturbing the airport ....
> Pricks are hiding everywhere!!!
> What do you think about these people fleing and
> yelling...on my point of you it is the mark of an
> irresponsible if it is not an AH (means Ass Hole!!! in
> french!!!!)
>
> kind regards
>
>
> 2009/11/17 Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SO...... an Airline Transport Pilot, ... in fact one
> who flies for Delta, a company that is not known to hire
> idiots.... who is also rated in a DC3, shuts down a whole
> airport, tries to run over police officers... and Oh my GOOD
> GOD.... "refuses to sign a ticket". WOW!
>
>
>
> Well hell yes, SHOOT THAT SORRY PIECE OF ... well...
> never mind.
>
> Having had some personal experience with:
>
> 1. The news media.
> 2. Airport Administrators.
> 3. Local police departments.
>
> I would bet a LARGE sum of money that this is a rather
> trumped up set of charges because someone had the outright
> gall not to be totally subservient to a Law Enforcement
> Officer or better yet....God Forbid..... a freaking
> Building Inspector !!
>
>
> STOP RIGHT THERE YOU SORRY PIECE OF TRASH, GET DOWN
> IN THE DIRT AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU HEAD, DON'T
> YOU KNOW I AM THE LOCAL BUILDING INSPECTOR? Yeah...
> right.
>
> Sorry Yak List Readers.... but this kind of news
> report just really fries my ass.
>
> Putting it simply.
>
> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. Oh yeah, it happened.. .but
> not like it has been reported here. No way on God's
> Green Earth.
>
> Of course, I could be wrong, but I really freaking
> doubt it. Sorry, just my "BS meter"
> over-flowing and using the YAK List to vent.
>
> My sincere apologies.
>
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:53 PM
>
>
> <mdecanio@mac.com>
>
> Jailed Delta pilot suspended
> Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his
> private plane.
>
>
> By Megan Matteucci
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Friday, November 13, 2009
> Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials
> investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police
> officers with his private plane.
>
>
> Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail,
> charged with two counts of aggravated assault and
> obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled
> to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriffs office said.
>
>
> Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was
> arrested Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
>
> He is suspended pending the completion into the
> investigation in this incident, Delta spokesman Anthony
> Black said Thursday.
>
>
> Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the
> airport Wednesday on a report of a pilot disrupting the
> airport. Gryder was driving his car across the runway and
> taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
>
>
> Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name.
> After learning the pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to
> issue citations, police said.
>
> Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a
> 1937 DC-3A, police said. He started the engine and told one
> officer that if she moved, he would strike her car, police
> said.
>
>
> The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out
> of the way and summoned backup.
>
> More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded
> the area and ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to
> taxi down the runway, police said.
>
>
> Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off,
> but he was out of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him
> to jail.
>
> Gryders actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting
> flights from departing or arriving, police said.
>
>
> He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45
> minutes, Clanton said. His actions created a danger
> for all of our officers, himself and others who lawfully use
> the airport.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not the Kind of Press We Need |
Gang,
I'm intimately familiar with this incident and wanted to share my experience related
to it. Being the prominent L-39 dealer on the west coast, it is not unusual
to get a call from the FAA when an L-39 so much as overheats it's brakes
or violates controlled airspace. When this incident broke I was almost immediately
contacted by the FAA. I was also contacted by the reported and declined
comment as I didn't have all the facts at the time. Now I do have all the facts
as I've spent several hours discussing this with FAA investigators as we maintained
the aircraft and they eventually went looking for maintenance records,
etc....anything they could find to nail Riggs.
I have hopefully turned this negative into a positive as the writer has agreed
to meet me for lunch to discuss a much more positive article (the "other" side
of the story, if you will) on warbirds, the communities, and the passionate and
responsible people who fly our birds. My point in sharing all of this is to
demonstrate that it is only us whom can make a difference and help the media
with more informed reporting...they simply don't know what they don't know and
the only way that is going to change is if we take the time to educate them.
It is only in our best interest.
Below is parts my communication with/response to the writer...
========
Hi Barry, Thanks again for your e-mail. This has been a very good discussion. I
have received more than 70 e-mails mostly from pilots, including military pilots.
I have responded in some way to all of them. Some have supported the article,
while others say it was unfair to many good operators of EE aircraft. As
far as the FAA plan to review EE aircraft, there are few inspectors who specialize
in these planes. The FAA may have a hard time carrying out all the work within
the time frame. I don't know exactly how the agency plans to do it or what
organizations the FAA plans to work with, if any.
I have several stories to get out of the way before I can think about doing the
warbirds story we talked about. I also need approval from my editor. Let's keep
in touch on this. Also, would it be alright for me to contact you if I have
aviation related questions? You can speak on background if you want. That means
we don't have to use your name.
Dan Weikel
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: More Riggs
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the reply. See below.....
>On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Weikel, Dan wrote:
>Hello Barry,
>You are right. The FAA periodically inspects experimental aircraft. But a >July
FAA memorandum states, however, that the agency will step up its >inspections
of such aircraft, including checks of maintenance records, >operating limitations
and program letters. So, we are correct in saying >the FAA is taking a
closer look at this category of aircraft. The plan is to >have all experimental
exhibition aircraft in the Western Pacific Region >reviewed in two years. According
to the FAA, thats a lot more ambitious >than what they used to do. Are
FAA officials and their memo wrong?
I have not seen that memo and take your word for it. I also agree that's an ambitious
plan....in fact, if it is indeed for "all" EE aircraft, then there is
no possible way they can do it in two years with the resources they have. Have
they outlined a systematic approach for doing such a thing? Further, it would
seem to me that if they were doing such a thing they might want to coordinate
with the various associations to get cooperation in accomplishing their goal.
>Also, what court has ruled that Riggs has been complying with his >operating limitations?
I have all the NTSB hearing records and the FAA >enforcement packages
for Riggs. I dont believe there are any federal, >state, or NTSB court decisions
related to this.
It is my understanding that the FAA has tried to get Riggs for his "movie" business
and that he has been allowed to continue to operate because it meets the
standard for providing movie footage. Everyone knows that the ride is the primary
thing the passenger wants. That being said, he has done it for years and
the FAA knows about it. He did not have a commercial license, and that is another
issue. Look, Riggs is a renegade and a threat to public safety and I would
like to see him taken care of as bad as the next guy.
>The FAA cut short Sullivans and Erdels investigations into the >commercial use
of Riggs planes and maintenance problems without >taking any action. On the record,
the FAA says their investigations were >closed because they had already
revoked his license and the agency >believes Riggs finally resolved the maintenance
questions. Sullivan and >Erdel dispute this.
With all due respect, I know Sullivan and have worked with Erdel. Neither of these
guys know Part 43 (which is the regulation the covers EE aircraft) very well
and in many cases they are shooting in the dark. In fact, that can be said
of most FAA inspectors. It makes sense...the EE category is small and they
don't spend a lot of time there. I cannot tell you how many times I have had
to explain these regulations to the FAA inspectors. These are bureaucrats in
an underfunded and understaffed bureaucracy....but now I'm digressing into personal
bias.
>Nevertheless, their enforcement packages raise substantial questions >about taking
paying passengers for rides and making movies of the >flights. Have you seen
these records? Also, a federal Freedom of >Information Act request I made
shows that Riggs has no waivers for >anything and has never held a commercial
license. FAA officials tell me >you cannot sell a ride to someone in an experimental
exhibition aircraft >and film it unless you have a commercial license
and FAA permission. >The ride is the primary thing the passenger wants, not the
movie.
Agree.
>In the L-29 crash in Tehachapi, NTSB and FAA sources tell me that it >appears
the planes in formation were flown in violation of their operating >limitations.
How so?
>The crash investigation is still open and no conclusions have been >reached yet.
According to the NTSB hearing, somehow the check ride >document Gilliss prepared
and signed ended up in the truck of the airport >manager who died in crash.
Did Gilliss give it to him without doing the >check ride?
So did Gilliss' bag...which is where the certificate was.
>Gilliss has lost his first appeal, although he prevailed on the low altitude
>allegation. He has one more shot before the full NTSB board, then he can >sue
in federal court if he wants. Gilliss sounds like a fine pilot. I have >talked
to him several times. Perhaps he will prevail in the end. I dont >know.
It would a tragic overreach if he did not. He is more than a fine pilot. He is
a committed, generous check airman who is heavily involved in the jet warbird
community. The FAA is shooting themselves in the foot because he is one of
the designated examiners for jet warbirds....which are in short supply already.
>All airplane crashes are reported to the NTSB, but not all are >investigated by
the NTSB so there are very likely to be more crashes >than those listed in the
agencys public database.
I'm continuing to have trouble with this statement. Perhaps we need to define
"crash". Any accident that results in substantial damage, total aircraft loss,
or death will get an NTSB report. I can tell you as a well connected entity
of the community, that when a plane so much looses it's brakes and runs off the
runway (it's happened twice to my knowledge...something germane to jet aircraft
operations) we hear about it and get a call from the FAA asking us what we
know. Further, as a
community there is value in incidents and accidents. We discuss these things amongst
operators at venues like the Classic Jet Aircraft Association, Oshkosh,
All Red Star and other venues to learn from them. I don't see GA organizations
like the Cessna Pilots Association doing this.
Dan, a few years ago a pilot operating a Glasair III (experimental aircraft) was
doing aerobatics over his buddies house (his buddy was riding with him in the
airplane). They pilot botched a maneuver at low altitude and the plane crashed
into a house. Did the FAA dispatch the "3rd Brigade" on all experimental
home builts? No. One can easily demonstrate that the EE category aircraft are
better built and safer than the Experimental Homebuilt category. EE aircraft
are built in a factory (albeit foreign) and in the case of warbirds have seen
a hundreds of thousands, if not millions of operational hours as a fleet. What
this means is that the level of both operational knowledge and airframe integrity
is MUCH higher than it is in the Homebuilt category. Further, as the
builder of a homebuilt airplane, you can perform all your own maintenance on your
aircraft. The EE category requires a licensed mechanic to perform maintenance
on aircraft like the L-39. Warbirds are more visible and "sexy" than homebuilts.
Because of this they get a higher level of scrutiny...it is not rational
or "fair", but we all understand this and accept it as part of an "unwinnable"
fight against bureaucracy. What we can do is continue to educate and inform
people and the media.
>Also, several pilots, whom I talked to but didnt want to be quoted, say >that
some L-39 pilots as well as other owners of vintage jets have egos >larger than
their abilities and that they dont fly enough to be truly >proficient in their
aircraft. They wrong? Based on my reporting, I >believe, and my editors agree,
that we can say there are safety >concerns beyond David Riggs. You disagree.
I respect that.
Well, actually, I don't disagree. There are always safety concerns. HOWEVER,
it is true of ALL owner groups. Be it L-39's, P-51, Bonanzas, Cirrus', or corporate
(especially corporate jet owners) there are egos that exceed ability.
Proficiency is a concern for ALL of general aviation all the time, but especially
in tough economic times. I hope you take this in the vain that it is intended,
because I think this is a valuable discussion for both of us, but on this
point I think you are making a hasty generalization and singling out one group
when the evidence you provide is applicable to all pilot groups. Also, from
a psychoanalytic standpoint, there is a fair amount of jealousy from a lot of
pilots towards warbird operators.
>As far as a broader article on experimental exhibition aircraft, I think >there
is a good story in the growing interest in collecting and flying war >birds.
Where do you go to learn to fly a P-51, a B-17 or an F-86? That >kind of thing.
Other pilots who own vintage aircraft or war birds have e->mailed me suggesting
such a story. If you are willing, I would be glad to >meet with you in
the months ahead. Hopefully, you
>wont decline to comment.
Well, I would love that. My decision on declining to comment on the Riggs situation
was strictly business. Many among us are former military test pilots, Top
Gun instructors, airline check airman, etc. Many are long time general aviation
pilots that have found new life in warbirds. It's a great mix. sI've been
doing this for over 10 years (since the age of 30) and have taken a passion
and a hobby into a prominent business as well as being a safety consultant and
instructor pilot for the Red Star Pilots Association. We have a lot of great
stories...so do the airplanes.
The vast majority of us work very hard to be as safe as we can be, and are passionate
about maintaining a living history of military aviation. I would love
to meet with you and share the insights of this fascinating community with you.
I'm a former member of the press and think I can be helpful to you.
Respectfully,
Barry
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: Riggs article
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the reply regarding your recent Times article. I appreciate your input,
yet the article does not raise the issues you site in your reply, why? I
feel there are several things your statements below do not recognize.
Consider that the experimental exhibition category is a much broader stroke than
the L-39, or even jet warbirds. In fact, the jet warbird community makes up
just a small percentage of the experimental exhibition category. Further, the
FAA has not "launched" any program of ramp checks, this has been going on for
as long as the category has existed. The FAA was pissed, and rightfully so,
at Riggs. They did everything in their power to prosecute him (I know, I spoke
at length with investigators who contacted me looking for anything to hang
Riggs on), which included a review of the aircraft airworthiness (i.e. maintenance
records, etc.). I am glad that they did so. However, that this incident
or the behavior and character of Mr. Riggs is somehow reflected in the community
at large is a stretch of Herculean proportions. As a member of the community
for over 10 years and one of the most prominent
operators and dealers of these airplanes in the country, I speak from a sound foundation
when I say that the vast majority of EE aircraft, pilots, and operators
maintain their planes to the highest standards, and just as importantly, fly
more regularly than the average General Aviation pilot.
As to your comment that there are "indications that some of these planes are being
flown outside of their operating limitations...." Mr. Riggs was found in the
court of law to be within the bounds of his Operating Limitations. Although
admittedly a loophole, because he was a legitimate movie maker he could reasonably
claim the money was collected as a result of providing the footage. I
want to make it clear that I do not support Mr. Riggs or his activities. However,
we need to be careful to be accurate in the stories we portray to a very
impressionable general public.
Outside of this loophole that Riggs has exploited, I do not know of another entity
operating outside of their Ops Limits for commercial purposes. Do you?
I'm fully aware of the Tehachapi incident. I know the pilot who has had his license
revoked. Are you aware of the circumstances around that? Are you aware
that Gilliss is one of the most active, honest, and helpful check airman in the
US with a spotless safety record? Are you aware that the FAA was looking for
someone to blame and found evidence that they thought supported their claims
that Gilliss falsified documents....what Gilliss did was print and sign the
form at his home prior to leaving for Tehachapi for the check ride to cut down
on his administrative time on
site...something he does all the time as a courtesy and in no way presented even
an intent to falsify documents. My point here is that any crash gets the attention
of the FAA and the NTSB. In this case they have misunderstood the facts,
and the judge misunderstood the evidence. I'm confident that the appeals
process will reverse the ruling and reinstate one of the most valuable assets
the jet warbird community has had over the years.
As to another pilot loosing his license, can you please explain to me why someone
should loose their license over the mistake of a dead person? BTW, Bob Chamberlain,
a long time USAF test pilot was the one who screwed up and crashed the
plane, not the guy who supposedly got a pencil whipped checkride by Gilliss.
Additionally, are you aware that if there is a "crash" the NTSB will have record
of it, period. How can the FAA possibly state that there are more crashes
than the NTSB reports indicate? It is impossible. If there is a crash, the
FAA knows about it. You don't have "fender benders" in the air that don't get
reported. If there is a crash that results in major damage or destruction
of the aircraft, the NTSB is involved. Further, they say "that the number may
be as high as 10%..." Let's stick to the facts as reported, not the speculative
musings of inspectors with an agenda. During the period in which the 16 incidents
with L-39's have been reported, how many vintage fighter (P-51, P-47,
etc.) accidents have their been? How many vintage trainer (T-6, T-28, T-34,
etc.) accidents have their been? How many airshow crashes have their been? My
point here is that the L-39 is no more prone to accidents than any other high
performance experimental exhibition category aircraft....and none of those approach
10%. Further, the L-39 is new to US operators...look at the trend instead
of just raw numbers. The loss rate has steadily been declining. One point
on "experimental exhibition". You are correct that the planes were not built
in the US and thus put in this category by the FAA. Consider in the case of
the L-39 that it is the single most successful military jet trainer in aviation
history with over 4,000,000 operational hours and counting. There is nothing
"experimental" about it - it simply wasn't built with FAA inspectors standing
around. They are about as experimental as a T-38 or T-45 that the US Military
flies.
Then you need to ask yourself, if there truly is a problem with EE type aircraft,
then why is it only the Western Region that is ostensibly upping the scrutiny?
I'll tell you why, and I've seen it over and over again. This is sexy stuff
and the motivation goes beyond the rational. I spent a lot of time, along
with a close friend of mine, discussing this case with 2 of the investigators...now
both no longer working for the FAA. You can't make a career out of one
case, which is what at least one of the two was trying to do. These distinctions
are important, Dan. There is simply no evidence that the issues created
by Mr. Riggs irresponsible and reckless behavior, while real, are an indicator
of some larger problem that the FAA or the general public ought to be concerned
with. The sub-title skews the article to a particular bent that is, I feel,
inappropriate. Several thousand people safely operate Experimental aircraft
and maintain them to very high standards. I would be happy to have you do an
article that looks at the
other side of your story...namely the passion of responsible people that keeps
the heritage of military flight alive, and the dedication of those who flight
foreign military aircraft safely and honorably in the US.
Respectfully,
Barry Hancock
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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Pappy, you and I are on the same sheet of music here.-
Thanks for putting it much more eloquently than I did.-
-
Mark
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
50 years ago I graduated from Hialeah high school.- Every damn bully in t
hat school became a Miami cop.-
-
Pappy
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The film of the L-39 made me shiver.=C2-=C2- The guy lost his ticket wi
th an emergency revocation.=C2- But I am now hearing hints of other facto
rs, and it was not just the "show off stunt" that it appeared to be in the
news.=C2- I am going to withhold any further comments because as of the m
oment it is all "hear-say", but even what looks to be a total nutcase on a
news film can honestly turn out to be something else.=C2- We are constant
ly pawns of the media... ALL OF US!=C2-=C2- We are all fed news reports
every second and are taught to take them as GOSPEL !!=C2- I am as guilty
as the next guy, but I am really starting to look at every single thing in
the news, (I MEAN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MEDIA)... with the following que
stion in my mind every time I watch... which is:=C2- "Is this really true
, or has it been pumped up and exaggerated to grab the interest of the pers
on watching?"=C2- Think about it.=C2-
=C2-
Bad people are indeed hiding everywhere... and the news media is no excepti
on.
=C2-
Best Regards,
=C2-
Mark=C2-
=C2-
p.s. This is just my two cents, but let me tell you from having actually be
en where "news is being reported", that what I saw with my own two eyes is
NOT how it was reported in the media.=C2-=C2- The Middle East is a perf
ect example, same with Vietnam, and even Desert Storm.=C2-
=C2-
Further, my personal incident recently came about from=C2-SHOOTING A GUN
AT MY LOCAL AIRPORT!=C2-=C2- MULTIPLE SHOTS WITH A WEAPON IN THE VICINI
TY OF AIRCRAFT AND DOGS AND PEOPLE AND STUFF!=C2-=C2-=C2- WOW...=C2
- Am I nut case or not?=C2- (Please don't answer that.)=C2-
=C2-
Of course it was a little air-rifle and the local cops said no problem, but
the Airport Authority ... well, another story entirely.=C2- All that fro
m shooting a little BB gun at a tin can.=C2-
=C2-
Big Sigh....=C2-=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
Hi Mark,
=C2-
I would fully agree with you if there was not this freaking film of the L39
jet passing by and this history of disturbing the airport ....
Pricks are hiding everywhere!!!
What do you think about these people fleing and yelling...on my point of yo
u it is the mark of an irresponsible if it is not an AH (means Ass Hole!!!
in french!!!!)
=C2-
kind regards
2009/11/17 Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
SO...... an Airline Transport Pilot, ... in fact one who flies for Delta, a
company that is not known to hire idiots.... who is also rated in a DC3,
=C2- shuts down a whole airport, tries to run over police officers... and
Oh my GOOD GOD.... "refuses to sign a=C2- ticket".=C2-=C2- WOW!=C2
-
=C2-
Well hell yes, SHOOT THAT SORRY PIECE OF ... well...=C2- never mind.=C2
- =C2-
=C2-
Having had some personal experience with:
=C2-
1.=C2- The news media.
2.=C2- Airport Administrators.=C2-
3.=C2- Local police departments.=C2-
=C2-
I would bet a LARGE sum of money that this is a rather trumped up set of ch
arges because someone had the outright gall not to be totally subservient t
o a Law Enforcement Officer or better yet....=C2-God Forbid..... a=C2-
freaking Building Inspector !!=C2-
=C2-
=C2-STOP RIGHT THERE YOU SORRY PIECE OF TRASH, GET DOWN IN THE DIRT AND P
UT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU HEAD,=C2- DON'T YOU KNOW I AM THE LOCAL BUILDING
INSPECTOR?=C2-=C2- Yeah... right.=C2-
=C2-
Sorry Yak List Readers.... but this kind of news report just really fries m
y ass.=C2-
=C2-
Putting it simply.=C2-
=C2-
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT.=C2-=C2-=C2- Oh yeah, it happened.. .but not like
it has been reported here.=C2- No way on God's Green Earth.=C2-
=C2-
Of course, I could be wrong, but I really freaking doubt it.=C2-=C2- So
rry, just my "BS meter" over-flowing and using the YAK List to vent.=C2-
=C2-
My sincere apologies.
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Mark Bitterlich
=C2-
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com> wrote:
From: N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
Subject: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
Jailed Delta pilot suspended
Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his private plane.
By Megan Matteucci
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Friday, November 13, 2009
Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges h
e tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane.
Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with two
counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bon
d and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=99s office
said.
Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was arrested Wednesd
ay at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
=9CHe is suspended pending the completion into the investigation in t
his incident,=9D Delta spokesman Anthony Black said Thursday.
Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the airport Wednesday on a
report of a pilot disrupting the airport. Gryder was driving his car acros
s the runway and taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name. After learning the p
ilot was Gryder, the officers tried to issue citations, police said.
Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a 1937 DC-3A, pol
ice said. He started the engine and told one officer that if she moved, he
would strike her car, police said.
The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out of the way and s
ummoned backup.
More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded the area and ord
ered him to stop, but Gryder continued to taxi down the runway, police said
.
Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off, but he was out o
f gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him to jail.
Gryder=99s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting flights from de
parting or arriving, police said.
=9CHe essentially shut the airport down for almost 45 minutes,
=9D Clanton said. =9CHis actions created a danger for all of our offi
cers, himself and others who lawfully use the airport.=9D
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Truer words were never spoken.
=C2-
Mark Bitterlich
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, xiaobao <aihuabao@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: xiaobao <aihuabao@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
>> ...=C2- What do you think about these people fleing and yelling...<<
Well, thats an important part of the issue. It wasn't France, it was the Sa
nta Monica Pier, CALIFORNIA USA, a geograhical spot in which a goodly porti
on of the population is known to mount irrational responses at the drop of
hat, whining even, on various issues in order to assert their importance.
I guess if a low pass happend in Nice onlookers would be cheering, like the
y do in other parts of the world.
Jack
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:02 AM
> Hi Mark,
> =C2-
> I would fully agree with you if there was not this
> freaking film of the L39 jet passing by and this history of
> disturbing the airport ....
> Pricks are hiding everywhere!!!
> What do you think about these people fleing and
> yelling...on my point of you it is the mark of an
> irresponsible if it is not an AH (means Ass Hole!!! in
> french!!!!)
> =C2-
> kind regards
>
>
> 2009/11/17 Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SO...... an Airline Transport Pilot, ... in fact one
> who flies for Delta, a company that is not known to hire
> idiots.... who is also rated in a DC3,=C2- shuts down a whole
> airport, tries to run over police officers... and Oh my GOOD
> GOD.... "refuses to sign a=C2- ticket".=C2-=C2- WOW!=C2-
>
>
> =C2-
> Well hell yes, SHOOT THAT SORRY PIECE OF ... well...=C2-
> never mind.=C2- =C2-
> =C2-
> Having had some personal experience with:
> =C2-
> 1.=C2- The news media.
> 2.=C2- Airport Administrators.=C2-
> 3.=C2- Local police departments.=C2-
> =C2-
> I would bet a LARGE sum of money that this is a rather
> trumped up set of charges because someone had the outright
> gall not to be totally subservient to a Law Enforcement
> Officer or better yet....=C2-God Forbid..... a=C2- freaking
> Building Inspector !!=C2-
>
> =C2-
> =C2-STOP RIGHT THERE YOU SORRY PIECE OF TRASH, GET DOWN
> IN THE DIRT AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU HEAD,=C2- DON'T
> YOU KNOW I AM THE LOCAL BUILDING INSPECTOR?=C2-=C2- Yeah...
> right.=C2-
> =C2-
> Sorry Yak List Readers.... but this kind of news
> report just really fries my ass.=C2-
> =C2-
> Putting it simply.=C2-
> =C2-
> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT.=C2-=C2-=C2- Oh yeah, it happened.. .but
> not like it has been reported here.=C2- No way on God's
> Green Earth.=C2-
> =C2-
> Of course, I could be wrong, but I really freaking
> doubt it.=C2-=C2- Sorry, just my "BS meter"
> over-flowing and using the YAK List to vent.=C2-
> =C2-
> My sincere apologies.
> =C2-
> =C2-
> =C2-
> Mark Bitterlich
> =C2-
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:53 PM
>
>
> <mdecanio@mac.com>
>
> Jailed Delta pilot suspended
> Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his
> private plane.
>
>
> By Megan Matteucci
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Friday, November 13, 2009
> Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials
> investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police
> officers with his private plane.
>
>
> Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail,
> charged with two counts of aggravated assault and
> obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled
> to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=99s office said.
>
>
> Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was
> arrested Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
>
> =9CHe is suspended pending the completion into the
> investigation in this incident,=9D Delta spokesman Anthony
> Black said Thursday.
>
>
> Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the
> airport Wednesday on a report of a pilot disrupting the
> airport. Gryder was driving his car across the runway and
> taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
>
>
> Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name.
> After learning the pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to
> issue citations, police said.
>
> Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a
> 1937 DC-3A, police said. He started the engine and told one
> officer that if she moved, he would strike her car, police
> said.
>
>
> The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out
> of the way and summoned backup.
>
> More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded
> the area and ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to
> taxi down the runway, police said.
>
>
> Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off,
> but he was out of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him
> to jail.
>
> Gryder=99s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting
> flights from departing or arriving, police said.
>
>
> =9CHe essentially shut the airport down for almost 45
> minutes,=9D Clanton said. =9CHis actions created a danger
> for all of our officers, himself and others who lawfully use
> the airport.=9D
>
>
>
>
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Barry,
I can conform this. When my recently purchased CJ-6A was inspected by our local
FSDO in order to generate a more up-to-date set of operating limitations, the
examiner told me the same thing: That it was their plan to inspect all EE aircraft
in our area over the next two years. He also mentioned that he had no idea
how they were going to find the personnel to carry this out. My impression
is that a memo / order / plan is one thing, but the implementation is something
else altogether. The form that this is probably going to take is that if someone
with a warbird wants an update of their operating limitations, or ownership
changes hands, the FSDO will be inclined to schedule an inspection. Anything
beyond that would outstrip the resources of an already understaffed government
agency.
Warren Hill
Mesa, AZ
On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:06 AM, barryhancock wrote:
>> You are right. The FAA periodically inspects experimental aircraft. But a >July
FAA memorandum states, however, that the agency will step up its >inspections
of such aircraft, including checks of maintenance records, >operating limitations
and program letters. So, we are correct in saying >the FAA is taking
a closer look at this category of aircraft. The plan is to >have all experimental
exhibition aircraft in the Western Pacific Region >reviewed in two years.
According to the FAA, thats a lot more ambitious >than what they used to do. Are
FAA officials and their memo wrong?
>
> I have not seen that memo and take your word for it. I also agree that's an
ambitious plan....in fact, if it is indeed for "all" EE aircraft, then there is
no possible way they can do it in two years with the resources they have. Have
they outlined a systematic approach for doing such a thing? Further, it would
seem to me that if they were doing such a thing they might want to coordinate
with the various associations to get cooperation in accomplishing their goal.
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If you aren't already a bit worried about the powers of the DHS and
the TSA, may I suggest that you read the below referenced story. As I
see it, an agency truly run amok.
Policy Watch
TSA seeks inspection authority for aircraft-repair shops
The Transportation Security Administration on Monday sought regulatory
authority over airplane-repair shops, arguing that terrorists could
use the facilities to sabotage planes undergoing maintenance. There
are nearly 5,000 approved repair shops around the world, where work
can range from mending upholstery to overhauling engines. TSA is
especially concerned with shops on or near airport property, where
terrorists could potentially take control of an aircraft for use as a
weapon. Critics of the proposed policy note that all shops working on
U.S.-based planes already are subject to FAA licensing and inspection.
USA TODAY(11/17)
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| Subject: | YAK 50 prop governor cable |
Anyone have a line on a prop governor cable for a YAK 50. Will a YAK 55
cable work? I suspect not.
Contact me off list viperdoc@mindspring.com
Doc
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Hi Mark,
unfortunately I think you are not aware of how it is to fly in France. I ca
n
tell you that if you were trying a low pass near Nice or Canne the cops wil
l
be at the airport waiting for you. And not only for a fine !!!
We in France are all looking the US as a great country for the freedom of
flight and the consideration people have for flightmen. Not in France I can
tell you. It seems amazing but this is it.
It is so much more complicated here when it comes to fly !!!!
I propose that you come in France. Then we will together make a trip from
Paris to Nice, starting with the A class around Paris, then the A class
around Lyon, then all the military zones. Do not forget to avoid a french
speciality since the 11th....the Temporary Forbiden Zones..(even if we did
not suffer like the US)...Not forgeting the control for which you a a
disturbance if you are not a commercial flight...
I tryed to purchase a L39 and you can't imagine the difficulties that the
french administration is consciensciously making to us. I forgot it for the
moment.
If you pass by Paris, you will be more than welcome to understand that and
it will be my pleasure to make you fly in my 18T or 52.
Kind regards
Didier
2009/11/17 xiaobao <aihuabao@yahoo.com>
>
>
> >> ... What do you think about these people fleing and yelling...<<
>
> Well, thats an important part of the issue. It wasn't France, it was the
> Santa Monica Pier, CALIFORNIA USA, a geograhical spot in which a goodly
> portion of the population is known to mount irrational responses at the d
rop
> of hat, whining even, on various issues in order to assert their importan
ce.
>
> I guess if a low pass happend in Nice onlookers would be cheering, like
> they do in other parts of the world.
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:02 AM
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I would fully agree with you if there was not this
> > freaking film of the L39 jet passing by and this history of
> > disturbing the airport ....
> > Pricks are hiding everywhere!!!
> > What do you think about these people fleing and
> > yelling...on my point of you it is the mark of an
> > irresponsible if it is not an AH (means Ass Hole!!! in
> > french!!!!)
> >
> > kind regards
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/17 Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SO...... an Airline Transport Pilot, ... in fact one
> > who flies for Delta, a company that is not known to hire
> > idiots.... who is also rated in a DC3, shuts down a whole
> > airport, tries to run over police officers... and Oh my GOOD
> > GOD.... "refuses to sign a ticket". WOW!
> >
> >
> >
> > Well hell yes, SHOOT THAT SORRY PIECE OF ... well...
> > never mind.
> >
> > Having had some personal experience with:
> >
> > 1. The news media.
> > 2. Airport Administrators.
> > 3. Local police departments.
> >
> > I would bet a LARGE sum of money that this is a rather
> > trumped up set of charges because someone had the outright
> > gall not to be totally subservient to a Law Enforcement
> > Officer or better yet.... God Forbid..... a freaking
> > Building Inspector !!
> >
> >
> > STOP RIGHT THERE YOU SORRY PIECE OF TRASH, GET DOWN
> > IN THE DIRT AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU HEAD, DON'T
> > YOU KNOW I AM THE LOCAL BUILDING INSPECTOR? Yeah...
> > right.
> >
> > Sorry Yak List Readers.... but this kind of news
> > report just really fries my ass.
> >
> > Putting it simply.
> >
> > I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. Oh yeah, it happened.. .but
> > not like it has been reported here. No way on God's
> > Green Earth.
> >
> > Of course, I could be wrong, but I really freaking
> > doubt it. Sorry, just my "BS meter"
> > over-flowing and using the YAK List to vent.
> >
> > My sincere apologies.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:53 PM
> >
> >
> > <mdecanio@mac.com>
> >
> > Jailed Delta pilot suspended
> > Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his
> > private plane.
> >
> >
> > By Megan Matteucci
> > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> > Friday, November 13, 2009
> > Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials
> > investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police
> > officers with his private plane.
> >
> >
> > Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail,
> > charged with two counts of aggravated assault and
> > obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled
> > to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff=92s office said.
> >
> >
> > Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was
> > arrested Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
> >
> > =93He is suspended pending the completion into the
> > investigation in this incident,=94 Delta spokesman Anthony
> > Black said Thursday.
> >
> >
> > Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the
> > airport Wednesday on a report of a pilot disrupting the
> > airport. Gryder was driving his car across the runway and
> > taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
> >
> >
> > Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name.
> > After learning the pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to
> > issue citations, police said.
> >
> > Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a
> > 1937 DC-3A, police said. He started the engine and told one
> > officer that if she moved, he would strike her car, police
> > said.
> >
> >
> > The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out
> > of the way and summoned backup.
> >
> > More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded
> > the area and ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to
> > taxi down the runway, police said.
> >
> >
> > Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off,
> > but he was out of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him
> > to jail.
> >
> > Gryder=92s actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting
> > flights from departing or arriving, police said.
> >
> >
> > =93He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45
> > minutes,=94 Clanton said. =93His actions created a danger
> > for all of our officers, himself and others who lawfully use
> > the airport.=94
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: generator question |
Hi Terry
Mine went blank and then recycled back on. Actually, the second time was
because of a bad voltage regulator which fried the battery.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Calloway
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: generator question
Jim,
I had my Horizon Tach just freeze a couple of times this year. I had
to land and shut down the engine before it worked again. Did your go
blank or freeze like mine?
tc
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Jim Griffin wrote:
To reinforce Mark's comment about checking the battery, I found that
my Horizon tach would intermittently shut down and recycle when I had a
bad battery. This has happened on 2 occasions.
Jim Griffin
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Hey you guys that have autopilots in your CJ's, which one do you recommend,
and can any radio shop install?
Ron Kalemba
224-558-8173 Cell
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| Subject: | Political Correctness and agencies run amok |
Roger
I agree with your assesment of agencies run amok. You should read the
following as to WHY they have run amok. It speaks volums for our current
crop of politicians and the reasons why some of our gov agencies are
over regulating Americans. Our freedom to fly and politics are
intimately entwined. Political correctness is causing us to loose our
freedoms. The sooner some of us realize this the better.
Frank
Here's the story.......................
This retired Colonel is so right!
Tragedy at Ft Hood
by: Allen West 11/09/2009
Last Thursday, 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded
at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I
watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final
service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood.
My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on
the post in family housing.
A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or
Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our warriors and
their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our "Band of
Brothers and Sisters" can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole
but as family units. A military installation is supposed to be a place
where our warriors train for war, to serve and protect our nation.
On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in
the war against a murderous islamic cult that attempts to call itself a
religion.
There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even
recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside
because now is not the time for cowardice. Our country has become so
paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed the vile and
determined islamic enemy to breach what should be the safest place in
America, an Army post.
We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned
about the pre-shooting stress on the shooter, Major Nida Malik Hasan.
The misplaced benevolence of political correctness intending to portray
this islamic cultist as a victim is despicable and un-American. The fact
that there are some who have now created an entire new classification
called, "Pre Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)" is unconscionable. I
am ashamed these liberal media types are part of our country and spewing
this nonsense.
This is not a "lone man caused disaster". It is what it is......... an
islamic jihadist attack.
We have seen this before in March 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st
Airborne Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into
his Commanding Officer's tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt
of Albanian muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a
young convert to islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive
terrorist training, and return to gun down two US soldiers at a Little
Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station.
We thwarted another islamic terrorist plot in North Carolina which had
US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a target.
What have we seen done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing. It is
as though our media WANTS the violence that the murderous cult of islam
brings within this country. Americans will continue to die because of
it!
What we see are leaders paralyzed and refusing to confront the issue,
islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further into
our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity
syndrome on steroids....this appears to be the domain of our idiot
government leaders no matter the cost to American lives.
Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood. Moreover, he
should have been administratively discharged from the Army. His previous
statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him
under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been
sufficient proof.
However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim,
not the 13 dead and 30 wounded but rather the poor islamic shooter. A
shooter who we hear was a great American, who loved the Army and serving
his nation, and CAIR stating that his actions had nothing to do with
religious belief.
We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give
away his possessions. He then stood atop a table in the confined space
of the Soldier Readiness Center shouting "Alla Akhbar," the same chant
as the 9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq
and Afghanistan theaters of operation.
No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American
people. Our Congress should suspend whatever it is doing and resolve the
issue of "protecting the American people". islam has no role to play in
America. It is a danger to our society and always will be. 1300 years of
history proves it!
The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas
Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have
an islamic terrorism issue in America. And don't have CAIR call me and
try to issue a vanilla press statement: they are terrorist apologists,
not a civil rights organization.
We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United
States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building
churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Of course not. Because they
aren't allowed by the murderous cult of islam.
So much for peaceful coexistence.
Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical imams who enter into our prisons and
convert young men into a virulent ideology..one resulting in four
individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic
explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring
textbooks which present islamic centric revisionist history in our
schools. islam is a poisonous cult with no place in America.
We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the
theo-political radical islamic ideology out of our American society. We
must begin to demand surveillance of suspected imams and mosques that
are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional
Republic..that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is
sedition and if done by an American treason.
I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please,
go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at
Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those
there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the
feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are
concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.
Ft Hood suffered an islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial and realize
a simple point.
The reality of your enemy must become your own.
Steadfast and Loyal,
Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Baker
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: Yak-List: TSA run amok
If you aren't already a bit worried about the powers of the DHS and
the TSA, may I suggest that you read the below referenced story. As I
see it, an agency truly run amok.
Policy Watch
a.. TSA seeks inspection authority for aircraft-repair shops
The Transportation Security Administration on Monday sought
regulatory authority over airplane-repair shops, arguing that terrorists
could use the facilities to sabotage planes undergoing maintenance.
There are nearly 5,000 approved repair shops around the world, where
work can range from mending upholstery to overhauling engines. TSA is
especially concerned with shops on or near airport property, where
terrorists could potentially take control of an aircraft for use as a
weapon. Critics of the proposed policy note that all shops working on
U.S.-based planes already are subject to FAA licensing and inspection.
USA TODAY(11/17)
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