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0. 12:17 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:54 AM - Re: CJ-6 Autopilots (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 05:29 AM - prop wanted (tasport@msn.com)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: TSA run amok (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: DC-3 Pilot in the News (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 09:48 AM - Re: TSA run amok (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 12:34 PM - This day in aviation history (Terry Calloway)
7. 03:20 PM - DC-3: the other side (Craig Payne)
8. 06:12 PM - corosion X (T A LEWIS)
9. 06:31 PM - Auto Pilots (Barry Hancock)
10. 06:44 PM - Awesome (Frank)
11. 06:45 PM - Re: Auto Pilots (delfin)
12. 06:55 PM - Re: Auto Pilots (barryhancock)
13. 08:51 PM - Re: corosion X (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 09:34 PM - Re: corosion X (Walter Lannon)
15. 09:46 PM - Re: corosion X (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6 Autopilots |
I have the EZ Autopilot. Thanks to advise from "BJ" , it took me 3 hours
to install! Most of that was wiring. The price wasn't to bad at all and
so far product support has been good to excellent.
For long cross countries this is great. I've been arriving more rested
and I been able to - fold and un-fold charts, get weather, look up this or
that, contemplate different courses, and even just enjoy the sights. On a
leg home from OSH there year I ran into some nasty weather ( low vis and
rain). I was able to let the auto pilot do the straight and level stuff, while
I watched out for the rain and worked my way around the storm. ATC was a
big help. I don't XM weather YET!
I am pleased with it with one caveat. Earlier this year I was able to
get (for fee) the altitude control and servo from an a guy whose seaplane
took an underwater dip in a fresh water lake near here. I sent it out to Trio
and they replaced a number of items. I've put it in but I am having
problems with it (which I am not sure is ME or the something else from possible
water damage). Anyway I have not had enough flights with it too figure out
what's wrong.
The link to their web site.
_http://www.trioavionics.com/index.htm_
(http://www.trioavionics.com/index.htm)
I think it was a good investment for me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hello, I was wondering if anyone has upgraded their prop to a three blade and still
has their two blade and if so wanted to sell their two blade I'm in need
of a two blade for a Yak project, I have a three blade whirlwind but I'm flying
off a rough grass strip and I think the blades are too long for the learning
curve want to use a two blade to get use to the airplane and then switch back
to the three blade after I get the hang of it, thanks, Todd.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273499#273499
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Just a thought and a reference from the past if I may be so bold:
"McCarthyism was the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty,
subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. The term
specifically describes activities associated with the period in the United States
known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from the late 1940s to the
late 1950s and characterized by heightened fears of communist influence on American
institutions and espionage by Soviet agents."
Now simply replace "communist influence" and "espionage by Soviet Agents" with:
Terrorism and Al-Qaeda agents.
Sorry for being so "off topic", but running "amok" is exactly the right term.
Also spreading fear and taking away personal freedoms in the name of security
and safety.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: Yak-List: TSA run amok
If you aren't already a bit worried about the powers of the DHS and the TSA, may
I suggest that you read the below referenced story. As I see it, an agency
truly run amok.
Policy Watch
* TSA seeks inspection authority for aircraft-repair shops <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/sOwEzfoStdgTuxCicefTCicNhwBl?format=standard>
The Transportation Security Administration on Monday sought regulatory authority over airplane-repair shops, arguing that terrorists could use the facilities to sabotage planes undergoing maintenance. There are nearly 5,000 approved repair shops around the world, where work can range from mending upholstery to overhauling engines. TSA is especially concerned with shops on or near airport property, where terrorists could potentially take control of an aircraft for use as a weapon. Critics of the proposed policy note that all shops working on U.S.-based planes already are subject to FAA licensing and inspection. USA TODAY <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/sOwEzfoStdgTuxCicefTCicNhwBl?format=standard> (11/17) LinkedIn <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/sOwEzfoStdgTvmCicefTCicNgMXC> Facebook <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/sOwEzfoStdgTvnCicefTCicNhxiV> Twitter <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/sOwEzfoStdgTvoCicefTCicNjBQW> Email this Story <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/sOwEzfoStdgTvpCicefTCicN
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| Subject: | DC-3 Pilot in the News |
Jack wrote the reply, not me Didier,
But you're right... I am not aware of what is like to fly in France and I'd be
happy to take you up on your offer! :-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
Hi Mark,
unfortunately I think you are not aware of how it is to fly in France. I can tell
you that if you were trying a low pass near Nice or Canne the cops will be
at the airport waiting for you. And not only for a fine !!!
We in France are all looking the US as a great country for the freedom of flight
and the consideration people have for flightmen. Not in France I can tell you.
It seems amazing but this is it.
It is so much more complicated here when it comes to fly !!!!
I propose that you come in France. Then we will together make a trip from Paris
to Nice, starting with the A class around Paris, then the A class around Lyon,
then all the military zones. Do not forget to avoid a french speciality since
the 11th....the Temporary Forbiden Zones..(even if we did not suffer like the
US)...Not forgeting the control for which you a a disturbance if you are not
a commercial flight...
I tryed to purchase a L39 and you can't imagine the difficulties that the french
administration is consciensciously making to us. I forgot it for the moment.
If you pass by Paris, you will be more than welcome to understand that and it will
be my pleasure to make you fly in my 18T or 52.
Kind regards
Didier
2009/11/17 xiaobao <aihuabao@yahoo.com>
>> ... What do you think about these people fleing and yelling...<<
Well, thats an important part of the issue. It wasn't France, it was the Santa
Monica Pier, CALIFORNIA USA, a geograhical spot in which a goodly portion of
the population is known to mount irrational responses at the drop of hat, whining
even, on various issues in order to assert their importance.
I guess if a low pass happend in Nice onlookers would be cheering, like they do
in other parts of the world.
Jack
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Didier Blouzard <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:02 AM
> Hi Mark,
>
> I would fully agree with you if there was not this
> freaking film of the L39 jet passing by and this history of
> disturbing the airport ....
> Pricks are hiding everywhere!!!
> What do you think about these people fleing and
> yelling...on my point of you it is the mark of an
> irresponsible if it is not an AH (means Ass Hole!!! in
> french!!!!)
>
> kind regards
>
>
> 2009/11/17 Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SO...... an Airline Transport Pilot, ... in fact one
> who flies for Delta, a company that is not known to hire
> idiots.... who is also rated in a DC3, shuts down a whole
> airport, tries to run over police officers... and Oh my GOOD
> GOD.... "refuses to sign a ticket". WOW!
>
>
>
> Well hell yes, SHOOT THAT SORRY PIECE OF ... well...
> never mind.
>
> Having had some personal experience with:
>
> 1. The news media.
> 2. Airport Administrators.
> 3. Local police departments.
>
> I would bet a LARGE sum of money that this is a rather
> trumped up set of charges because someone had the outright
> gall not to be totally subservient to a Law Enforcement
> Officer or better yet.... God Forbid..... a freaking
> Building Inspector !!
>
>
> STOP RIGHT THERE YOU SORRY PIECE OF TRASH, GET DOWN
> IN THE DIRT AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU HEAD, DON'T
> YOU KNOW I AM THE LOCAL BUILDING INSPECTOR? Yeah...
> right.
>
> Sorry Yak List Readers.... but this kind of news
> report just really fries my ass.
>
> Putting it simply.
>
> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. Oh yeah, it happened.. .but
> not like it has been reported here. No way on God's
> Green Earth.
>
> Of course, I could be wrong, but I really freaking
> doubt it. Sorry, just my "BS meter"
> over-flowing and using the YAK List to vent.
>
> My sincere apologies.
>
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: N642K <mdecanio@mac.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: DC-3 Pilot in the News
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:53 PM
>
>
> <mdecanio@mac.com>
>
> Jailed Delta pilot suspended
> Man accused of trying to run over Griffin police with his
> private plane.
>
>
> By Megan Matteucci
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Friday, November 13, 2009
> Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials
> investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police
> officers with his private plane.
>
>
> Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail,
> charged with two counts of aggravated assault and
> obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled
> to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff's office said.
>
>
> Gryder, a Delta pilot and private aircraft instructor, was
> arrested Wednesday at the Griffin-Spalding Airport.
>
> "He is suspended pending the completion into the
> investigation in this incident," Delta spokesman Anthony
> Black said Thursday.
>
>
> Griffin code enforcement officers were called to the
> airport Wednesday on a report of a pilot disrupting the
> airport. Gryder was driving his car across the runway and
> taxiway, Griffin Police Investigator Bryan Clanton said.
>
>
> Police said the suspect gave two officers a fake name.
> After learning the pilot was Gryder, the officers tried to
> issue citations, police said.
>
> Gryder refused to sign the tickets and boarded his plane, a
> 1937 DC-3A, police said. He started the engine and told one
> officer that if she moved, he would strike her car, police
> said.
>
>
> The officer, who was standing next to the plane, moved out
> of the way and summoned backup.
>
> More Griffin officers and Spalding County deputies flooded
> the area and ordered him to stop, but Gryder continued to
> taxi down the runway, police said.
>
>
> Gryder got to the end of the runway and tried to take off,
> but he was out of gas. Police arrested Gryder and took him
> to jail.
>
> Gryder's actions disrupted air traffic, prohibiting
> flights from departing or arriving, police said.
>
>
> "He essentially shut the airport down for almost 45
> minutes," Clanton said. "His actions created a danger
> for all of our officers, himself and others who lawfully use
> the airport."
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| Subject: | Re: TSA run amok |
In a message dated 11/18/2009 12:00:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Not to be labor further - - -
"Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty
nor security"
Benjamin Franklin
Just a thought and a reference from the past if I may be so bold:
"McCarthyism was the politically motivated practice of making accusations
of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.
The term specifically describes activities associated with the period in the
United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from the late
1940s to the late 1950s and characterized by heightened fears of communist
influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents."
Now simply replace "communist influence" and "espionage by Soviet Agents"
with: Terrorism and Al-Qaeda agents.
Sorry for being so "off topic", but running "amok" is exactly the right
term. Also spreading fear and taking away personal freedoms in the name of
security and safety.
Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | This day in aviation history |
Nov. 18, 1913: U.S. Pilot Loops the Loop
By Jason Paur November 18, 2009 | 12:00 am | Categories: 20th
century, Transportation
1913: Flying at 3,500 feet over North Island near San Diego, pilot
Lincoln Beachey points his Curtiss airplane downward. He pulls back on
the controls at 1,000 feet, climbing until the nose of the airplane
falls back beyond the vertical, and he completes the first inside loop
by an American pilot.
Within weeks Beachey was =93looping the loop=94 multiple times in
succession. The maneuver became commonplace during World War I and
continues to be the mainstay of aerobatic and combat pilots to this day.
Like the Wright brothers, Beachey was a young bicycle mechanic. The
flying bug first bit him in 1905. His first experience was in balloons,
but by 1910 Beachey decided airplanes were the place to be and learned
to fly at the Curtiss Flying School from Glenn Curtiss himself.
Flight instruction at the time was crude, to say the least. Despite
crashing during his first two lessons, Beachey soloed on his third
lesson. By the next year, he was earning large sums of money as a famous
stunt pilot, touring the country with his airplane.
Beachey set a world record for altitude in 1911, climbing to 11,578
feet. He made his money as a stunt pilot, but decided to quit after
several of his fellow aviators died in crashes. Beachey said he was
unhappy with the spectacle flying had become, and that spectators were
hoping for crashes.
His retirement was short-lived, though, and soon he was asking Curtiss
to make him an airplane with enough power to perform the loop that
Russian pilot Peter Nesterov first made earlier in 1913. Beachey=92s
return to flying ended in tragedy when he lost control of his airplane
and killed a spectator who was watching from a hangar roof.
Beachey told The New York Times he =93was not attempting to loop the
loop, nor to do any other extraordinary feat at the time.=94 He again
decided to quit aviation.
But Beachey was back in the air a month later. In an airplane Curtiss
had built with plenty of power, Beachey was able to replicate Nesterov=92s
feat on Nov. 18, 1913. The New York Times reported hecompleted the loop
with only 300 feet to spare (.pdf), and that Beachey said said he didn=92t
know how he did it, =93it was all an experiment.=94
Beachey improved his technique and completed two consecutive loops Nov.
25. By the end of the year he had performed six consecutive loops.
He was soon setting records performing as many as 80 loops in
succession. He made a mock attack on the White House and the Capitol in
1914 to show the government that it was unprepared for the aviation age.
While performing in front of a crowd at the Panama-Pacific International
Exposition in San Francisco in 1915, Beachey misjudged his altitude
during an inverted maneuver and ended up crashing into San Francisco Bay
(.pdf). An autopsy concluded that he survived the crash, but died from
drowning. He was 28.
Today the loop is considered an elementary aerobatic maneuver, and the
current world record for consecutive loops stands at 2,368 by David
Childs of North Pole, Alaska.
Source: Various
Photo: Lincoln Beachey poses in his airplane.
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| Subject: | DC-3: the other side |
I have watched a bit of chatter on this list and other internet stops about the
DC-3 pilot up at Griffin. (I'm way South) A friend of mine added details that
the press missed, as another friend, T.C. had surmised, there is more to the
story. The short of what I heard is that this pilot had a running dispute with
the City of Griffin, and had caused them to tear down a tower next to a runway
that they put up against Federal rules, etc.
Apparently there was a revenge factor in this on the City's part. That's just hearsay
of course. I'm sure our learned media will present a balanced view of the
affair :^)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Guys,
I would like your input on the effectiveness of corrosion X treatment for the chinese
cj-6a. If any of you has had first hand experience with this treatment
I would like to know what you think of this product and if it is worth the expense.
Thanks,
Terry Lewis
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Gang,
We have installed a number of auto pilots. The CJ is a bit of a
challenge to mount the servos, but we have it pretty well nailed now.
We wanted to tie into the bell cranks, which is tough to do on the
elevator, but I believe a much more reliable and safe installation.
We'd be happy to provide mounting kits and instructions to anyone
interested. Will save any first timer a lot of head aches.
As for the type of AP's out there, I really like 3 different ones.
1) Tru Trak is the AP king in the experimental world. The units are
smart, reliable, and the company has great customer support. Many
different levels of complexity to suit your taste and budget. They
have teamed up with Advanced Aviation for a fully integrated EFIS/AP
combo. I'll be flying this combo in our first Super CJ in a few
weeks. I've also flown with them in a few L-39's, as well as my
Lancair, and they do a nice job. http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/
2) A less expensive but almost as feature rich and well built AP is
the Pro Pilot from Trio. http://www.trioavionics.com/
3) The other AP that I'm keen on is the Dynon. We have not yet
installed one, but do have two units on order. The great thing about
the Dynon is that it is less expensive and they are a good company
that is sure to be around for a long time. This makes the most sense
if you install a Dynon EFIS. Their new Sky View system is impressive
and is fully integrated with their AP. At $750 each for the servos,
it's a great value.
We will be the first to have the Sky View in a CJ and I'll give
reports as we gain experience. That being said Dynon sells more
EFIS's to the GA world than Garmin, so I expect a superior product.
Hope this helps.
Happy Flying,
Barry
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Ive- read with interest about the different autopilots for the CJ-6--
--- What is the experience with the YAK 52?=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
=0ATo: Yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:31:00 PM=0AS
ncock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>=0A=0AGang,=0A=0AWe have installed a
number of auto pilots.- The CJ is a bit of a challenge to mount the servo
s, but we have it pretty well nailed now.- We wanted to tie into the bell
cranks, which is tough to do on the elevator, but I believe a much more re
liable and safe installation.- We'd be happy to provide mounting kits and
instructions to anyone interested.- Will save any first timer a lot of h
ead aches.=0A=0AAs for the type of AP's out there, I really like 3 differen
t ones.=0A=0A1)- Tru Trak is the AP king in the experimental world.- Th
e units are smart, reliable, and the company has great customer support.-
Many different levels of complexity to suit your taste and budget.- They
have teamed up with Advanced Aviation for a fully integrated EFIS/AP combo
.- I'll be flying this combo in our first Super CJ in a few weeks.- I'v
e also flown with them in a few L-39's, as well as my Lancair, and they do
a nice job.- http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/=0A=0A2)- A less expen
sive but almost as feature rich and well built AP is the Pro Pilot from Tri
o.- http://www.trioavionics.com/=0A=0A3)- The other AP that I'm keen on
is the Dynon.- We have not yet installed one, but do have two units on o
rder.- The great thing about the Dynon is that it is less expensive and t
hey are a good company that is sure to be around for a long time.- This m
akes the most sense if you install a Dynon EFIS.- Their new Sky View syst
em is impressive and is fully integrated with their AP.- At $750 each for
the servos, it's a great value.=0A=0AWe will be the first to have the Sky
View in a CJ and I'll give reports as we gain experience.- That being sai
d Dynon sells more EFIS's to the GA world than Garmin, so I expect a superi
or product.=0A=0AHope this helps.=0A=0AHappy Flying,=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ABarry Hancock=0AWorldwide Warbirds, Inc.=0A(909) 606-4444 office=0A(9
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We have not done any -52 installations, but the performance of the units should
be the same and the installation should be similar.
Regards,
Barry
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:12:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
talew@bellsouth.net writes:
Terry,
Do it. Its not that hard to do, and in this Florida climate (wet and
salt) its God sent. I put it in my airplane years ago and it is STILL leaching
out between rivets and seams. Its great stuff.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net>
Guys,
I would like your input on the effectiveness of corrosion X treatment for
the chinese cj-6a. If any of you has had first hand experience with this
treatment
I would like to know what you think of this product and if it is worth the
expense.
Thanks,
Terry Lewis
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Any info on how it compares to ACF 50?
Walt
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: corosion X
In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:12:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, talew@bellsouth.net
writes:
Terry,
Do it. Its not that hard to do, and in this Florida climate (wet and salt) its
God sent. I put it in my airplane years ago and it is STILL leaching out between
rivets and seams. Its great stuff.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Guys,
I would like your input on the effectiveness of corrosion X treatment for the
chinese cj-6a. If any of you has had first hand experience with this treatment
I would like to know what you think of this product and if it is worth the
expense.
Thanks,
Terry Lewis
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In a message dated 11/19/2009 12:34:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wlannon@persona.ca writes:
I've heard it is good, but I've never used it.
Pappy
Any info on how it compares to ACF 50?
Walt
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