---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/13/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:27 AM - Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue (Craig Winkelmann) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue (T A LEWIS) 5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue (A. Dennis Savarese) 6. 01:23 PM - SNF 2010 (Cpayne) 7. 02:28 PM - Re: SNF 2010 (Roger Kemp M.D.) 8. 02:51 PM - Re: SNF 2010 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 9. 03:04 PM - Re: SNF 2010 (jetj01@aol.com) 10. 04:51 PM - Re:SNF 2010 (Cpayne) 11. 05:03 PM - Re: Re:SNF 2010 (jetj01@aol.com) 12. 06:25 PM - Re: SNF 2010 (Paul Hamlin) 13. 08:02 PM - Re: SNF 2010 (Roger Kemp M.D.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:48 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue From: "Craig Winkelmann" NOT automotive plugs. I was thinking there may be a coil issue where internal resistance goes up as they heat. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281269#281269 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:58 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue The coil issue with these mags is typically caused by the internal capacitor breaking down, not the coil itself. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Winkelmann To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue NOT automotive plugs. I was thinking there may be a coil issue where internal resistance goes up as they heat. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281269#281269 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:35 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue The capacitor is inside the coil. I should have made that a little more clear. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue The coil issue with these mags is typically caused by the internal capacitor breaking down, not the coil itself. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Winkelmann To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue NOT automotive plugs. I was thinking there may be a coil issue where internal resistance goes up as they heat. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281269#281269 http://www.matronics================== ======<; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:19 AM PST US From: T A LEWIS Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue Dennis do you know the value of the capacitor ?=0ATerry Lewis=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: A. Dennis Savarese =0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, January 13, 201 0 9:43:13 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue=0A=0A =0AThe capacitor is inside the coil.- I should have made that a-little more clear.=0ADennis=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: A. Dennis Sav arese =0A>To: yak-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:38 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue=0A>=0A>=0A >The coil issue with these mags is typically caused by the internal capacit or breaking down, not the coil itself.=0A>Dennis=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: Craig Winkelmann =0A>>To: yak-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent : Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:27 AM=0A>>Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-1 " =0A>>=0A>>NOT automotive plugs.- I was thinking ther e may be a coil issue where internal resistance goes up as they heat.=0A>> =0A>>Craig=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Read this topic online here:=0A>>=0A>>ht tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281269#281269=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>htt p://www.matronics=================== =====<;--- via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com" >http://forums.matronics.com=0A>>_p;-------- generous bsp; ------------------- href="http://ww w.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c====== ============0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="ht tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com ================= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:11 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue Sorry, I do not. Check with Jill. I think M14P, Inc has come up with an external capacitor. But I'm not 100% certain. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: T A LEWIS To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue Dennis do you know the value of the capacitor ? Terry Lewis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 9:43:13 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue The capacitor is inside the coil. I should have made that a little more clear. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue The coil issue with these mags is typically caused by the internal capacitor breaking down, not the coil itself. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Winkelmann To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52/M-14P Magneto Issue NOT automotive plugs. I was thinking there may be a coil issue where internal resistance goes up as they heat. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281269#281269 http://www.matronics================== ======<; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.rums.matronics.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://forums.matronics-> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:01 PM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Last year's Sun 'n Fun attendees may recall the total mess caused by ash from a recent burning: clouds of black soot with every startup. Even driving a car over the surface raised a black cloud that stuck to everything.As I discovered today, there still is ash inside my airplane, under the cockpit area. When hopefully, it will be different this year. Today the grass was burned, as it usually is in January. The grass should be more hospitable. On Thursday through Sunday of the event, the Thunderbirds will be back. For us (ex) Green and Navy Blue suiters, it's them guys with the airplanes that can't touch an F-18. You know, the guys that don't get the concept of a "short field". Squat to Piss; Flare to Land....:>) Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:10 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Craig, I just depends on where you see the pipper. On the back of your head if you are an 18 driver or through the HUD if you are a Viper driver. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Last year's Sun 'n Fun attendees may recall the total mess caused by ash from a recent burning: clouds of black soot with every startup. Even driving a car over the surface raised a black cloud that stuck to everything.As I discovered today, there still is ash inside my airplane, under the cockpit area. When hopefully, it will be different this year. Today the grass was burned, as it usually is in January. The grass should be more hospitable. On Thursday through Sunday of the event, the Thunderbirds will be back. For us (ex) Green and Navy Blue suiters, it's them guys with the airplanes that can't touch an F-18. You know, the guys that don't get the concept of a "short field". Squat to Piss; Flare to Land....:>) Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" DOC DOC.... I AGREE! What you say does indeed happen all the time ... At least on the Flight Line. We ALWAYS park you guys in back! It's only fair to give USAF pilots at least one chance in life to see the Hornet from that perspective. Couple that with pilots that think a "hook" is something to hang your clothes from, and the outcome is 100% predictable. Next comes politics and gun control. Have a nice day, Bad Bullets... OUT -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 --> Craig, I just depends on where you see the pipper. On the back of your head if you are an 18 driver or through the HUD if you are a Viper driver. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Last year's Sun 'n Fun attendees may recall the total mess caused by ash from a recent burning: clouds of black soot with every startup. Even driving a car over the surface raised a black cloud that stuck to everything.As I discovered today, there still is ash inside my airplane, under the cockpit area. When hopefully, it will be different this year. Today the grass was burned, as it usually is in January. The grass should be more hospitable. On Thursday through Sunday of the event, the Thunderbirds will be back. For us (ex) Green and Navy Blue suiters, it's them guys with the airplanes tha can't touch an F-18. You know, the guys that don't get the concept of a "short field". Squat to Piss; Flare to Land....:>) Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:53 PM PST US From: jetj01@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: SNF 2010 The only scenario I'd rather be in a Hornet rather than a Viper is landing on boat, hook and all. For an air to air knife fight, unless you are dumb enough to get slow (The Hornets game), a Viper will win every time. A Hornet is a compromise between the needs of the aviator and the need to land on a boat. That's from personal experience. Sorry. P.S. Another exception, if I'm over the pond and lose an engine, I'd rather be in a Hornet! Jj In a message dated 1/13/2010 4:51:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" DOC DOC.... I AGREE! What you say does indeed happen all the time ... At least on the Flight Line. We ALWAYS park you guys in back! It's only fair to give USAF pilots at least one chance in life to see the Hornet from that perspective. Couple that with pilots that think a "hook" is something to hang your clothes from, and the outcome is 100% predictable. Next comes politics and gun control. Have a nice day, Bad Bullets... OUT -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 --> Craig, I just depends on where you see the pipper. On the back of your head if you are an 18 driver or through the HUD if you are a Viper driver. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: SNF 2010 --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne Last year's Sun 'n Fun attendees may recall the total mess caused by ash from a recent burning: clouds of black soot with every startup. Even driving a car over the surface raised a black cloud that stuck to everything.As I discovered today, there still is ash inside my airplane, under the cockpit area. When hopefully, it will be different this year. Today the grass was burned, as it usually is in January. The grass should be more hospitable. On Thursday through Sunday of the event, the Thunderbirds will be back. For us (ex) Green and Navy Blue suiters, it's them guys with the airplanes tha can't touch an F-18. You know, the guys that don't get the concept of a "short field". Squat to Piss; Flare to Land....:>) Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:19 PM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: Re:SNF 2010 Well alrighty now! The usual suspects rose and took the bait. Am I wrong in saying that in Red Flag competition, it has really been Canadian pilots and the CF-18 that has kicked butt?? What is this "Viper" crap. I believe that the pentagon refers to these F-16 assets as the "Fighting Falcon". As all of us vets know, the Pentagon is Never Wrong. Kinda like the Fonz in Happy Days. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:27 PM PST US From: jetj01@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:SNF 2010 Shame shame Craig, you mentioned the P word and fighting type airplanes in the same sentence. No soup for you, one year! As a non-vol staff weenie P word veteran (I should have got combat pay there!), I pretend it never happened and was thankful to escape back to the cockpit and another 2000 hours....thank God! And you bring up our friends to the North???? Great warriors but woefully under funded with archaic equipment. Jj In a message dated 1/13/2010 6:51:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, cpayne@joimail.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne Well alrighty now! The usual suspects rose and took the bait. Am I wrong in saying that in Red Flag competition, it has really been Canadian pilots and the CF-18 that has kicked butt?? What is this "Viper" crap. I believe that the pentagon refers to these F-16 assets as the "Fighting Falcon". As all of us vets know, the Pentagon is Never Wrong. Kinda like the Fonz in Happy Days. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:29 PM PST US From: Paul Hamlin Subject: Re: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Assuming you survive to even get to the merge.- --- On Wed, 1/13/10, jetj01@aol.com wrote: From: jetj01@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: SNF 2010 The only scenario I'd rather be in a Hornet rather than a Viper is landing on- boat, hook and all.- For an air to air knife fight, unless you are dumb enough to get slow (The Hornets game), a Viper will win every time.- A Hornet is a compromise between the needs of the aviator and the need to land on a boat.- That's from personal experience.- Sorry. - P.S.- Another exception, if I'm over the pond and lose an engine, I'd rat her be in a Hornet! - Jj - In a message dated 1/13/2010 4:51:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, mark.bitte rlich@navy.mil writes: ALS-14 64E" DOC DOC.... I AGREE!- What you say does indeed happen all the time ... At least on the Flight Line.- - We ALWAYS park you guys in back!- It's only fair to give USAF pilots at least one chance in life to see the Hornet from that perspective.- Couple that with pilots that think a "hook" is something to hang your clothes from, and the outcome is 100% predictable.- Next comes politics and gun control.- Have a nice day, Bad Bullets... OUT- -- -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 --> Craig, I just depends on where you see the pipper. On the back of your head if you are an 18 driver or through the HUD if you are a Viper driver. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Last year's Sun 'n Fun attendees may recall the total mess caused by ash from a recent burning: clouds of black soot with every startup. Even driving a car over the surface raised a black cloud that stuck to everything.As I discovered today, there still is ash inside my airplane, under the cockpit area. When hopefully, it will be different this year. Today the grass was burned, as it usually is in January. The grass should be more hospitable. On Thursday through Sunday of the event, the Thunderbirds will be back. For us (ex) Green and Navy Blue suiters, it's them guys with the airplanes tha can't touch an F-18. You know, the guys that don't get the concept of a "short field". Squat to Piss; Flare to Land....:>) Craig ======================= e ties Day ===================== == - - - - - -- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ====== ================= - - - - -- - List Contribution Web Site sp; - - - - - - - - - - - - ====================== === =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:15 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Trash, You date yourself. We have a radar that can reach out and find you as well as AMRAMS to make for a truly bad BVR day not to mention the newest AiM 9 for that sort of up close and personal moment. All of which I would not want to be on the receiving end of. Now as for the knife fight in the phone booth with our big mouths to feed that big 220 end result is generally not to satisfying for the opponent. But the real question is if you maintain your smash, can see and kill BVR then why get in the phone booth where 180 deg of turn makes your fight the focus of someone else's attention? Why is the F-16 called the Viper? Just because Gen Creech said he would not have one of his two premier fighters named after a "damned snake" does not mean that she would not be nicknamed Viper for that "damned snake." Viper was the overwhelming choice for her by the fighter community at the time. It was Creech that over-ruled the overwhelming choice of the fighter squadrons. So, as one of the original Viper babies, we showed him. She is still affectionately known as the "Viper. Fighting Falcon is the official Gen Creech AF name but Viper is her real name. That Is my story and I'm sticking to it my "jarhead" friend. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hamlin Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Assuming you survive to even get to the merge. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, jetj01@aol.com wrote: From: jetj01@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: SNF 2010 The only scenario I'd rather be in a Hornet rather than a Viper is landing on boat, hook and all. For an air to air knife fight, unless you are dumb enough to get slow (The Hornets game), a Viper will win every time. A Hornet is a compromise between the needs of the aviator and the need to land on a boat. That's from personal experience. Sorry. P.S. Another exception, if I'm over the pond and lose an engine, I'd rather be in a Hornet! Jj In a message dated 1/13/2010 4:51:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes: MALS-14 64E" DOC DOC.... I AGREE! What you say does indeed happen all the time ... At least on the Flight Line. We ALWAYS park you guys in back! It's only fair to give USAF pilots at least one chance in life to see the Hornet from that perspective. Couple that with pilots that think a "hook" is something to hang your clothes from, and the outcome is 100% predictable. Next comes politics and gun control. Have a nice day, Bad Bullets... OUT -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF 2010 --> Craig, I just depends on where you see the pipper. On the back of your head if you are an 18 driver or through the HUD if you are a Viper driver. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: SNF 2010 Last year's Sun 'n Fun attendees may recall the total mess caused by ash from a recent burning: clouds of black soot with every startup. Even driving a car over the surface raised a black cloud that stuck to everything.As I discovered today, there still is ash inside my airplane, under the cockpit area. When hopefully, it will be different this year. Today the grass was burned, as it usually is in January. The grass should be more hospitable. On Thursday through Sunday of the event, the Thunderbirds will be back. For us (ex) Green and Navy Blue suiters, it's them guys with the airplanes tha can't touch an F-18. You know, the guys that don't get the concept of a "short field". 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