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1. 10:11 AM - Test (Walter Lannon)
2. 10:42 AM - Re: Test (Terry Calloway)
3. 10:47 AM - Re: Test (Jim Selby)
4. 11:43 AM - Re: Test (Walter Lannon)
5. 11:54 AM - Hydro lock (Jerry Painter)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: Test (Roger Kemp M.D.)
7. 04:44 PM - Re: B&C Alternator (Craig Winkelmann)
8. 04:47 PM - 2 engines and a prop (Rick Basiliere)
9. 06:33 PM - husoi "surging" (Jon Boede)
10. 06:41 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (kingcj6@aol.com)
11. 06:48 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 06:48 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (Eric Wobschall)
13. 06:53 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (rick@rvairshows.com)
14. 06:57 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 06:59 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (Eric Wobschall)
16. 07:18 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (Roger Kemp M.D.)
17. 08:43 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (lou)
18. 10:42 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (ggg6@att.net)
19. 11:11 PM - Re: husoi "surging" (ggg6@att.net)
20. 11:22 PM - FW: Re: husoi "surging" (ggg6@att.net)
21. 11:29 PM - FW: husoi "surging" (ggg6@att.net)
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New computer test
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New computer works
On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Walter Lannon wrote:
> New computer test
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Test OK..
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Test
New computer test
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Thanks Jim & Terry;
Finally back in operation with my computer. Not a total loss since my wife allowed
me emergency use of her lap top.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Selby
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Test
Test OK..
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Test
New computer test
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Gents--
Two weeks ago a friend went to fly a Grumman Avenger. Very experienced guy
and crew. Went through the usual pre-start drill, no problems. Fires the
engine, it turns about two blades (out of three) and comes to a very
definite sudden stop. Big heavy prop, lots of inertia, oops. What could be
The Problem? All pistons go up and down, as do valves, but though the
engine will rotate, it'll only turn about 300 degrees (both directions)
before coming to a very definite clank stop. They detect one piston not
going very high up the cylinder so decide to pull the jug. Sho 'nuff, one
very bent rod (as in fractured at the bend), ring below the skirt. Turns
out this had happened once before, but was "cleared" and had been flying
ever since. Not good. Maybe just as well that it came to a stop on startup
and not in the air. Avengers have Wright 2600's, a bit much to pull by hand
so the starter is used, but there's a clutch that's not supposed to force a
lock. Pappy?
Weather before the incident was usual Seattle 40's, not real cold, but not
warm, either. No preheat. As is well known, taildragger ground attitude is
conducive to gravity fed oil going into intake tubes undetected until start
when things suddenly go bad. So, I think Doug's query as to temps is on the
mark.
I've had lock on CJ's and -52's, nose and tailwheel, also Wilga. OTH, I
had a Broussard with R-985, both fuel and oil shutoff, ICO shutdown, never
had a problem. You couldn't turn the fuel on unless you also turned the oil
on. Worked great, no locks never, tho oil shutoff notwithstanding sometimes
it would puke oil aplenty during pre-start drill and startup, tho nothing
like a -14P. Have also heard of M-14's wicking (?) oil into the UPPER
rocker boxes resulting in UPPER cylinder locks. Had to drain the boxes to
clear the lock. Say what? Makes no sense. I've flown (stupidly and no
fun) both a CJ and -52 that upon further inspection had bent rods, one a
MASTER rod. Wooaah! A customer actually BROKE a rod in HS-6A, but it kept
on til he could land. Scary.
Be careful out there.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
www.FlyWBA.com
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Old computer test.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Test
New computer test
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| Subject: | Re: B&C Alternator |
Terry:
Remove the alternator by removing it from the baseplate that you will leave on
the engine (just like you did to check the shear coupling). Look down into the
pinion gear that drives the alternator. It should have a plug in the bottom
of it (the M-14 gear has one, the Housai gear does not). That plug supports
the male splined shaft for the alternator. If the plug is in good shape, use
a digital caliper to measure the length of the male splined shaft from the tip
of the shaft to the base of the alternator mounting plate. Then compare this
to the depth of the hole in the pinion gear to the top of the mounting plate
and compare them.
If these measurements are very different, check the backlash on the pinion gear.
It should have a small amount of movement up and down. Just stick your finger
in it and lift it and push it back in place.
The gasket between the engine and baseplate allows for some backlash.
Then check the thickness of the gasket between the alternator mount and the baseplate.
If it is too thick, it will allow the splined shaft to drop out of the
coupling. These gaskets, or lack of them, will set the depth of the male alternator
drive shaft in the pinion gear.
Hope this helps,
Craig
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281988#281988
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| Subject: | 2 engines and a prop |
For sale. Sorry for this crass commercialism.
Sold my Sukhoi 29 so I have:
1) M14P 360 hp. sn KR232011 mfg date 3/08/1998 Factory new and stored in climate
controlled building in TUS in original Russian crate, still sealed. $35,000
OBO
2) M14PF 400 hp. Romanian red. Sn RA 0032012 mfg date 10/21/2000 41.7 hrs TTSFN.
$25,000 OBO
3) MT prop. MTV-3-250-27 330TT 10 or so since OH. $8,500 OBO
contact me off list. rab@disc.com or basilierer@bouldercolorado.gov
Thanks, Rick b
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My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off=2C really
any time when he applies full throttle.
Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifold pressure... or at l
east he doesn't think so.
If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. Any ideas what might
be causing that??
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: husoi "surging" |
Are the intake drain plugs all secure? Is the primer down & locked?
In a message dated 1/17/2010 6:35:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off, really
any time when he applies full throttle.
Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifold pressure... or at
least he doesn't think so.
If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. Any ideas what might
be causing that??
Jon
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: husoi "surging" |
Many times surging at high RPM (WOT) is also caused by an inadequate
supply of fuel. Check the fuel screens as well as the finger screen in
the carburetor for any foreign matter. Also a "flapper" in a flexible
fuel hose can cause a partial blockage, particularly under higher fuel
demands ie: WOT.
In addition to the intake drains being secure and the primer pump locked
in the center position, it also could be related to loose intake gland
nuts. Also a common problem. Tighten all the intake gland nuts because
a loose intake gland nut will cause a cylinder to run lean.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: kingcj6@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: husoi "surging"
Are the intake drain plugs all secure? Is the primer down & locked?
In a message dated 1/17/2010 6:35:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off,
really any time when he applies full throttle.
Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifold pressure...
or at least he doesn't think so.
If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. Any ideas what
might be causing that??
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: husoi "surging" |
I had just such a problem in my Yak-52. It was just that way... on
takeoff, maybe 3/4 through the ground roll, a pronounced surging (and
a fuel pressure drop to approx. .2).... which you could smooth out by
retarding the throttle. After checking a lot of other things
(governor, fuel vents, etc...), it turned out to be an obstruction
(hose flapper) in the hose between the fine fuel strainer and the carb.
-Eric
On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
> My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off,
> really any time when he applies full throttle.
>
> Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifold pressure...
> or at least he doesn't think so.
>
> If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
>
> Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. Any ideas what
> might be causing that??
>
> Jon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: husoi "surging" |
Maybe a flapper in a fuel line. Easy to check.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: husoi "surging"
My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on
take-off, really any time when he applies full throttle.
Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifo
ld pressure... or at least he doesn't think so.
If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. A
ny ideas what might be causing that??
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: husoi "surging" |
The CJ does not have the same "fine" fuel screen/filter as the Yak 52
does. It has the same type of "coarse" fuel screen/filter the 52 has
though. The fuel hose Eric refers to would the fuel hose going into the
base of the carburetor on the Housai.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Wobschall
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: husoi "surging"
I had just such a problem in my Yak-52. It was just that way... on
takeoff, maybe 3/4 through the ground roll, a pronounced surging (and a
fuel pressure drop to approx. .2).... which you could smooth out by
retarding the throttle. After checking a lot of other things (governor,
fuel vents, etc...), it turned out to be an obstruction (hose flapper)
in the hose between the fine fuel strainer and the carb.
-Eric
On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off,
really any time when he applies full throttle.
Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifold pressure...
or at least he doesn't think so.
If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. Any ideas what
might be causing that??
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: husoi "surging" |
Rick says this because he said "hose flapper" and I checked everything
else before finding out he was right. Lucky guess.
On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:54 PM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote:
> Maybe a flapper in a fuel line. Easy to check.
> Rick Volker
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:32:06 -0600
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: husoi "surging"
>
> My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off=2C
> really = any time when he applies full throttle.
>
> Says that is not seeing a wi= ggle in the RPM or manifold
> pressure... or at least he doesn't think so.
> If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
>
> Weather her= e was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. =3B Any ideas
> what might be c= ausing that??
>
> Jon
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Eric is on the money. Had the same thing but could not locate the problem
until the engine quit 50 of the runway at full throttle. Landed safely.
Pulled the finger screen filter out of the carb. It had a 8 to 9 mm fragment
of the inner liner of the fuel line. It occluded the out flow from the fuel
screen in to the fuel chamber. The elbow that connects directly to the fuel
line that comes directly from the pressure equalization sphere. Never found
the flapper but did replace all of the fuel lines even though they were two
years old.
Once back at the hanger after the dead stick, the engine started and ran
fine. Even with pushing the power up to 80%. It was not until I pulled the
carb of the aircraft thinking I had a seal failing in the carb. When the
filter screen was pulled the inner liner fragments was found in the finger
screen.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: husoi "surging"
I had just such a problem in my Yak-52. It was just that way... on takeoff,
maybe 3/4 through the ground roll, a pronounced surging (and a fuel pressure
drop to approx. .2).... which you could smooth out by retarding the
throttle. After checking a lot of other things (governor, fuel vents,
etc...), it turned out to be an obstruction (hose flapper) in the hose
between the fine fuel strainer and the carb.
-Eric
On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
My friend said that his CJ is experiencing "surging" on take-off, really any
time when he applies full throttle.
Says that is not seeing a wiggle in the RPM or manifold pressure... or at
least he doesn't think so.
If he retards the throttle a bit the surging stops.
Weather here was 60+ degrees with very low humidity. Any ideas what might
be causing that??
Jon
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I had a similar surging problem when I leaned fuel in my cj turned out
to be a cracked intake tube where boss is welded for the intake drain
the boss was ready to fall right out and the other 2 had also started to
go the same way.
Regards Lou
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