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1. 01:58 AM - Arch Hanger (Riaan)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Baby T-28? (Roger Kemp M.D.)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: Beware of scammers working the list (Jan Mevis)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Arch Hanger (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 07:52 AM - CJ down in AZ? (Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc.)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (Valerie Walker)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (Jim Selby)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (David McGirt)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (Jon Boede)
11. 08:36 AM - Re: Update on CJ6 emergency landing in Mesa Arizona (Valerie Walker)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (xyz234@cox.net)
13. 09:44 AM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (Warren Hill)
14. 09:48 AM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (Larry Pine)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/07/10 (Skip Slyfield)
16. 09:54 AM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (Walter Lannon)
17. 10:15 AM - Alternator conversion (matt salkeld)
18. 10:54 AM - Fw: Re: CJ down in AZ? (Larry Pine)
19. 12:13 PM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (doug sapp)
20. 03:03 PM - Re: Update on CJ6 emergency landing in Mesa Arizona (netmaster15@juno.com)
21. 05:42 PM - Re: Alternator conversion (Joe Howse)
22. 08:04 PM - Re: CJ down in AZ? (Walter Lannon)
23. 08:34 PM - Another plane down?? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
24. 08:41 PM - CJ-6A Wing Tips (Jim Selby)
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What is your opinion on arch hangers?
Looks like it is more popular in the US.We dont have any, and I am expoloring with
the idea to introduce it in SA.
Thanks
Riaan
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Baby F8F Bearcat with a trunk.
doc
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http://www.bearaircraft.com/360/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: The Surging Continues....Help |
Doc,
The CJ does have a carburetor filter screen. But it's like the coarse
filter screen on the Yak 52. The carburetor on CJ is connected directly
to this fuel filter.
Fuel related surging will typically affect manifold pressure as well as
RPM.
A clogged little finger screen on the nose case will cause more problems
than one would believe when it comes to RPM related problems. Believe
it or not, many people never check that little guy.
Also prop hub bearings that haven't been cleaned and repacked for a
long, long time will affect the ability of the prop blades to move to
coarse pitch (lower RPM) via the counter weights and back to fine pitch
via oil pressure.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp M.D.
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
The other places to look are the carburetor diaphragm, the primer
lines to the super charger, seals on the primer, primer/ system line
connections, system/ primer lines, prop governor cable attachments, the
copper sleeve guide, the c clamps on the fuselage from the lever to the
governor, fuel filter screens, fuel lines for flappers, fuel lines for
leaks, fuel pump for oil leaking through the seal between the oil pump
and the fuel pump and intake collars at the cylinder and the super
charger.
Since I have a YAK, I=92m not sure what you mean by leaving the primer
in the up position. Since in the YAK, the up position is the center
neutral position that closes the ports so fuel cannot pass through to
the system side or the primer side. If leaving your primer in the
neutral position does not recreate the problem, then it comes down to
are you getting air in the line somewhere. The 50 and 52 =91s primer
hand pumps are reversed on position. Centered with the indicator up at
1200 o=92clock positon isolates both sides (turns off both sides).
Leaving the knob turned to the system or the primer side could cause the
engine to run rough.
Another place to check is the cables to the prop governor along with
all the c clamps that anchor the copper sleeve the cable slides in to
the fuselage. That also manifested itself as a wondering prop RPM. I
could not get the prop to fully cycle back to 51-55% during run ups and
I would have the prop rpm increase in a dive. That was a different
problem from the surging experienced at 5500 ft when the power was
pushed up. That was solved by replacing the carburetor diaphragm. In
cruise, there seemed to be a variation in power (surging) with observed
variations in the RPM by 5% or so on the gauge. When I pushed the power
up to 100% at altitude, the engine balked and sputtered nearly quitting
but eventually came up to power. It seemed to like 70% better than 80%.
That has resolved with changing the diaphragm.
I had something similar with a flapper in the fuel line from the
=93sphere=94 fuel flow equalizer to the carburetor. We found some 1/2
cm to 1 cm hose fragments had clogged the finger fuel screen at the
carburetor. Understood the Chang does not have a carburetor filter
screen.
After all that, I also changed the springs in my prop governor still
chasing the surging problem. That did not solve the problem either.
Even went so far as to change the prop governor itself. That did not
help either. Pulled the dome on the prop and checked the seals with no
help there either.
Found an interesting case of Russian Afro engineering as it pertained
to my prop governor cable while chasing this =93surging=94 problem.
Instead of running a one piece copper tube for the sleeve, they ran two
segments. The two ends were anastamosed inside a larger bore piece of
tubing held together with a lone c clamp. Over time ( 146 hours since
taking delivery), the c clamps on the fuselage had loosened up allowing
the cable guide end from the anastamosis segment forward to the prop
governor to migrate forward. So now the cable would form an S curve
between the two ends where a gap between the two copper tube guides were
now. Fixing that required pulling the Aux and main fuel tanks out of the
50 and repairing the guide tubing. After doing this, I have not had any
surging sensations or variation in the % RPM on the gauge.
That is just some of the tribulations I have been through with my 50
while chasing a =93surging engine=94.
So here is a list of what has been done to solve the surging problem
or the varying fluctuations in % RPM (by me-call it the shotgun approach
over a span of 2 years as different parts of this equation have arisen):
Pulled the carburetor only to find the fuel filter screen had
fragments of the inner liner from the fuel line in it and could have
been cleaned without pulling the carb. This came after the engine quit
50 feet off the runway on take-off resulting in a dead stick landing
without damage to the A/C or myself. Funny thing, she started and ran
fine back in the chocks with the exception wanting to surge at 80-90%
when run up. This was done with the aircraft tied down and chocked.
Losing the engine came without any prior warning.
Replaced the primer lines after finding a small leak in the line at
the base of the fitting at the firewall connection
Replaced the fuel pump after seeing a mixture of oil and fuel drip
down on my knee from the overflow valve while I was under the aircraft
tightening the intake collars 'seems the seal on the driveshaft was
leaking allowing oil to seep down into the fuel pump. Had seen blue oily
drops on the drop pan under the chin of the plane earlier but could not
find a source. The drop pan was in place under the nose to prevent oil
from collecting on my hanger floor.
Replaced the o ring seal on the primer after fuel leaked out during
priming that was not solved by tightening the knurled nut.
Pulled the prop governor-replacing it with another along with changing
out the springs for the stiffer set offered by Jim Kimbell
Replaced the seals on the prop dome and piston ' Bearings had been
service the previous year.
Pulled the finger screen in the capillary line to the prop ' was
clean
Screwed with the idler arm on the prop governor because I could not
get the prop to fully cycle after calling myself checking all the cable
attachments except for the one I did not know about. The Russian Afro
engineered one below and behind the fuel tanks hidden from sight. Did
not find that one until the very last when I was trying to advance the
cable end by pulling back on the prop lever. Seems the cable only moved
about an inch. That sent me on a chase through the fuselage from the
governor back to the prop lever attachment at the consol in the cockpit.
Lastly repair the copper cable guide and tighten all the c clamps
holding the prop governor cable. Then put the F@#$%^& fuel tanks back in
along with re-attaching the lines making sure to use fuel lube on the
threads. Making sure none got on the nipples so I would have an airtight
seal without gumming up the fuel screen filters. ( Oh yeah, I pulled
those and made sure they were clean too.)
This along with checking and tightening any loose collars on the
intakes at the cylinders and the supercharger.
Also tighten any loose exhaust collars. A couple of each, intake and
exhaust collars were found to be very slightly loose=85less than a
quarter turn. Doubt that had anything to do with the surging.
Now having done all that, I have not the foggiest idea what solved the
problem but it is gone=85for now.
Not sure I would spend much time flying her if she is surging to the
point of losing power in flight though. I=92ve been a test pilot enough
over the past 6 years.
Good Luck.
Disclaimer?: This was only intended to state what has been tried by
myself to solve a =93surging=94 problem that was experienced by myself.
The writing of this epistle has only been intended to state what has
been done by myself to resolve a problem I perceived and or experienced.
This epistle was not in any way intended to imply that the problem
currently being experienced it is in any way related. Your findings and
resolution of this problem may vary from my findings. But good luck
anyway=85:^))
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:42 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
Have you pulled the little finger screen on the right side of the nose
case forward of the prop governor to make sure it completely clean?
With the RPM going up and down, it sounds like it might be in the prop
governor. But before you R&R the prop governor, check the finger screen
and also make sure your prop hub counter weights move freely when the
prop hub dome and piston are removed. When was the last time you
removed the blades at the castellated nuts and cleaned and repacked the
prop hub bearings?
Dennis
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From: bmiles
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
Here are my symptoms. It's 54 Degrees outside and my Chang surges
in the climb and once I'm level at 5500 I started messing with it so I
can explain whats wrong.
Once level the surging is more prominent when I ease the throttle
forward, almost as if it wants to cut off but catches again. My
Manifold Pressure stays the same, however the RPM is going up and down
along with the surg.
I used one hand and held the Prop forward and pushed the throttle
forward again and it surged again but not as bad as without holding the
prop forward.
The prop seal was changed 3 weeks ago, that might be it or could it
be my Governor going bad?
Also when I landed I throttle forward and it just about died...So I
got this crazy idea and left the primer in the up position and shove the
throttle forward and it seemed ok. I did not do that in flight.......
Any thoughts, be gentle mit me plz, It's my second time posting.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Beware of scammers working the list |
Indeed, exactly the same procedure... This "signed" contract was well made,
and looked quite genuine.
Jan
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of barryhancock
Sent: zondag 7 februari 2010 5:08
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Beware of scammers working the list
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Interesting. "Mark Simpson" tried to buy my Legacy...being a broker you get
lots of scam attempts, but as you say Jan, Mark was much more sophisticated.
It came down to running searches and making him verify information. He even
sent back a "signed" purchase contract from his customer (who came up legit
in a web search), but in looking at them closely, it was obvious the
signatures were fake.
Bottom line is make sure you protect yourself!
Barry
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Arch hangers are more efficient structure and easier to build than a stand
ard box frame. One reason they were so prevalent in WW2. Depending on wh
at they are made of, stand up a long time. Some of the biggest hangers in
the world have paschal arches and are made of wood were build in WW2 and
still stand today. Navy Moffet south of SF is one. In the early days of
the "Yak Club" we were at a national formation clinic in North Plate NB,
which had a huge wooden arch hangar that was used to store gliders in WW2
. The engineer who was inspecting it for possible tire down, told me that
it was in perfect shape and he was going to recommend that the town conti
nue to use it.
Depending on the size, you lose some wall space because the slop of the ar
ch, however the arch does hold up better in high winds. The arches are
usually assembled flat on the ground than lifted in place. The roofing
is than nailed, glued or screwed on. Arches can be made of laminated woo
d, galvanized metal half round pipe, welded steel, you name it. For 4 ye
ars I stored aircraft parts in a arched structure made of steel pipe with
canvas covering. I use external plywood sheets for the floor right over
the ground. When done I simply pick up the plywood, took down the canvas
, sold the arch frame to a farmer than used it to store his tractor and go
t my yard back. Doug Sapp, can tell you many nurseries use arch structure
for their hot house or green house. They very easy to build and in expen
sive. They are a number of companies that make them. You pick the size,
pour a concrete slab to fit, bolt it together and your done. I saw one
the size of a 2 car garage assembled in 2 days.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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From: Riaan <info@golfcartpro.co.za>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:57 am
Subject: Yak-List: Arch Hanger
What is your opinion on arch hangers?
ooks like it is more popular in the US.We dont have any, and I am expolori
ng
ith the idea to introduce it in SA.
hanks
iaan
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Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a bathroom
stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs more than
toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill Mills
Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
386.447.1118
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| Subject: | Re: The Surging Continues....Help |
Hi all. Dennis, my CJ has been experiencing the same surge problems. It's
currently finishing up on the conditional inspection and my mechanic checked
the prop governor as that was my first suspicion. He said that other than a
small amount of grease and dirt, it seemed fine. We're going to keep an eye
on it and I'll let you and the list know the results. Thanks to everyone's
input, I'll also have him check the filter and flapper etc. By the way.
just saw the army green Chang with yellow and green tail that made a
successful emergency landing in Arizona today with it's nose stuck in a n
outdoor restroom. Thankfully both passenger and pilot are fine. (Other
than they'll probably receive a new call sign and it won't be glamorous.)
Good job you guys and we're glad you're still with us.
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
My siser-in-law called me last night and mentioned the crash, you can go
----- Original Message -----
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To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a
bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs
more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill Mills
Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
386.447.1118
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/07/20100207planecrash0208.htm
l
and
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/mesa/story/Small-plane-hit
s-restroom-after-emergency-landing/_NMuNh70Ok-X-4XCVmd0-Q.cspx
all I have seen..
David
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Blue Sky
Yakrobatics, Inc.
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a bathroom
stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs more than
toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill Mills
Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
386.447.1118
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Glad the pilot and passenger are ok... because the comments on the abc15 ar
ticle are Pure Comedy Gold. :-)
Jon
From: david@mcgirt.net
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/07/20100207planecrash0208.ht
ml
and
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/mesa/story/Small-plane-hi
ts-restroom-after-emergency-landing/_NMuNh70Ok-X-4XCVmd0-Q.cspx
all I have seen..
David
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Blue Sky
Yakrobatics=2C Inc.
Sent: Monday=2C February 08=2C 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
Hey guys=2C just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ
making a bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok=2C but the
bird needs more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill
Mills
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| Subject: | Re: Update on CJ6 emergency landing in Mesa Arizona |
Regarding #21s emergency landing and ultimate attack on the brick restroom
in Mesa yesterday.. The pilots are to be further commended. They were
forced to land due to engine problems and had apparently done so quite
successfully until a man and his dog got in the way (who do these civilians
think they are anyway? ., running around on an emergency landing field!)
The pilots had to swerve into the brick building to miss them.
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
Here's another good link. Glad they're okay!
At the risk of a little levity about someone's really bad day, I'd say
It appears our Nanchangs aren't actually built like brick
s**thouses...the s**thouse won!
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150387
On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, David McGirt wrote:
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/07/20100207planecrash0208.html
>
> and
> http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/mesa/story/Small-plane-hits-restroom-after-emergency-landing/_NMuNh70Ok-X-4XCVmd0-Q.cspx
>
>
> all I have seen..
>
> David
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc.
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:51 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
>
> Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a
> bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird
> needs more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
>
>
> Bill Mills
> Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
> 386.447.1118
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
Guys,
The CJ experienced engine roughness followed by a loud noise and then
sudden engine shutdown on an extended downwind over a residential area
into FFZ. The pilot was unharmed. On impact, the top harness bolt of the
aft cockpit pulled through and the passenger hit his head on the glare
shield, but is otherwise OK. 9.5 on the G-meter. Had to make changes at
the last minute in order to avoid hitting a man walking a dog. Would
have otherwise been a normal landing. Ended up impacting a small
cinderblock building in a park with the airplane totaled. The pilot is
ex-military and a flight instructor for airline trainees. Very
accomplished guy. Handled a difficult situation with very few options in
a masterful way.
Warren Hill
N867PA
Mesa, AZ
On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc. wrote:
> Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a
bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs
more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
>
>
> Bill Mills
> Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
> 386.447.1118
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
Pilot and Copilot are doing well.- Andress, owner of #21 did a great job
for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake, peop
le...- The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming back-abo
ut 3 inches into the cockpit.-(pretty good for a head on of about 30+ kts
.- The engine and the truss absorbed a lot of the impact.-Unfortunately
the airframe was beyond repair.
-
It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker harness
es pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front seat.
- Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow.- I would a
dvise if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might
want to beef this area up in the near future.
-
>From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during straig
ht and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final determina
tion.- Again, great piloting and a great airframe.- We hope to-get th
em in the air again soon..
Larry Pine
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Years ago I had a surging problem in my Nanchang with a Husoi 285hp. It
turned out that the needle in the carb (accessed through the diaphraghm
cover on the carb...I think it's on the port side?) had stripped nuts
allowing it to move regardless of mixture position. Check that, it's quick
and fairly painless.
Skip Slyfield
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> 1. 01:31 AM - Re: Beware of scammers working the list (Jan Mevis)
> 2. 06:46 AM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 3. 08:10 AM - Re: Beware of scammers working the list (barryhancock)
> 4. 10:02 AM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 5. 10:26 AM - not a scam (Rick Basiliere)
> 6. 08:22 PM - Air Pathways intercom (Noplugs)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:31:16 AM PST US
> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Beware of scammers working the list
>
> Indeed, be very careful.
>
>
> I recently also had someone bidding for my Yak, a certain Mark Simpson (!)
> from the UK. It looked OK at the beginning, but soon I realized that
> something was wrong. After some investigation by good friends in the UK, it
> turned out to be a gang of Nigerian thieves, specializing in the more
> expensive goods (boats, planes ...).
>
>
> BR,
>
>
> Jan
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
> Sent: zondag 7 februari 2010 5:27
> Subject: Yak-List: Beware of scammers working the list
>
>
> Gang,
>
>
> Below is an email from a guy purporting to have Yak parts in the UK. When
> I
> pressed him for photos, he balked. And of course the price on the part
> requested is WAY off. He is clearly a scammer. Just a heads up to be
> careful out there....
>
>
> Happy Flying,
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> From: Todd Williams <t.willyautos@gmail.com>
>
>
> Subject: We are looking for new or lightly used gill shutters. Please
> contact me off list. (949) 300-5510 cell
>
>
> Thanks for the mail. I have the requested brand new gill shutters all
> in a mint condition though I am having technical difficulties
> attaching pictures but I am asking a $340USD as I will be shipping via
> UPS on a 3 working days delivery and will accept payment via Western
> union or Money gram. What's your complete shipping address?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Todd
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> (909) 606-4444 office
> (949) 300-5510 cell
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
> "Making your warbird dreams a reality!"
>
>
> Express Mailing address:
> 7000 Merrill Ave, B-110, Unit J
> Chino, CA 91710
>
> Regular Mailing address:
> 7000 Merrill Ave., Box 91
> Chino, CA 91710
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> Time: 06:46:19 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
>
> Have you pulled the little finger screen on the right side of the nose
> case forward of the prop governor to make sure it completely clean?
> With the RPM going up and down, it sounds like it might be in the prop
> governor. But before you R&R the prop governor, check the finger screen
> and also make sure your prop hub counter weights move freely when the
> prop hub dome and piston are removed. When was the last time you
> removed the blades at the castellated nuts and cleaned and repacked the
> prop hub bearings?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bmiles
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 1:35 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
>
>
> Here are my symptoms. It's 54 Degrees outside and my Chang surges in
> the climb and once I'm level at 5500 I started messing with it so I can
> explain whats wrong.
>
> Once level the surging is more prominent when I ease the throttle
> forward, almost as if it wants to cut off but catches again. My
> Manifold Pressure stays the same, however the RPM is going up and down
> along with the surg.
>
> I used one hand and held the Prop forward and pushed the throttle
> forward again and it surged again but not as bad as without holding the
> prop forward.
>
> The prop seal was changed 3 weeks ago, that might be it or could it be
> my Governor going bad?
>
> Also when I landed I throttle forward and it just about died...So I
> got this crazy idea and left the primer in the up position and shove the
> throttle forward and it seemed ok. I did not do that in flight.......
>
> Any thoughts, be gentle mit me plz, It's my second time posting.
> Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285089#285089
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:10:30 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Beware of scammers working the list
> From: "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
>
> Interesting. "Mark Simpson" tried to buy my Legacy...being a broker you
> get lots
> of scam attempts, but as you say Jan, Mark was much more sophisticated. It
> came down to running searches and making him verify information. He even
> sent
> back a "signed" purchase contract from his customer (who came up legit in a
> web search), but in looking at them closely, it was obvious the signatures
> were
> fake.
>
> Bottom line is make sure you protect yourself!
>
> Barry
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> (909) 606-4444
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285217#285217
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:02:16 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
>
> The other places to look are the carburetor diaphragm, the primer lines to
> the super charger, seals on the primer, primer/ system line connections,
> system/ primer lines, prop governor cable attachments, the copper sleeve
> guide, the c clamps on the fuselage from the lever to the governor, fuel
> filter screens, fuel lines for flappers, fuel lines for leaks, fuel pump
> for
> oil leaking through the seal between the oil pump and the fuel pump and
> intake collars at the cylinder and the super charger.
>
> Since I have a YAK, I'm not sure what you mean by leaving the primer in the
> up position. Since in the YAK, the up position is the center neutral
> position that closes the ports so fuel cannot pass through to the system
> side or the primer side. If leaving your primer in the neutral position
> does
> not recreate the problem, then it comes down to are you getting air in the
> line somewhere. The 50 and 52 's primer hand pumps are reversed on
> position. Centered with the indicator up at 1200 o'clock positon isolates
> both sides (turns off both sides). Leaving the knob turned to the system or
> the primer side could cause the engine to run rough.
>
> Another place to check is the cables to the prop governor along with all
> the
> c clamps that anchor the copper sleeve the cable slides in to the fuselage.
> That also manifested itself as a wondering prop RPM. I could not get the
> prop to fully cycle back to 51-55% during run ups and I would have the prop
> rpm increase in a dive. That was a different problem from the surging
> experienced at 5500 ft when the power was pushed up. That was solved by
> replacing the carburetor diaphragm. In cruise, there seemed to be a
> variation in power (surging) with observed variations in the RPM by 5% or
> so on the gauge. When I pushed the power up to 100% at altitude, the engine
> balked and sputtered nearly quitting but eventually came up to power. It
> seemed to like 70% better than 80%. That has resolved with changing the
> diaphragm.
>
> I had something similar with a flapper in the fuel line from the "sphere"
> fuel flow equalizer to the carburetor. We found some 1/2 cm to 1 cm hose
> fragments had clogged the finger fuel screen at the carburetor. Understood
> the Chang does not have a carburetor filter screen.
>
> After all that, I also changed the springs in my prop governor still
> chasing
> the surging problem. That did not solve the problem either.
>
> Even went so far as to change the prop governor itself. That did not help
> either. Pulled the dome on the prop and checked the seals with no help
> there
> either.
>
> Found an interesting case of Russian Afro engineering as it pertained to my
> prop governor cable while chasing this "surging" problem. Instead of
> running
> a one piece copper tube for the sleeve, they ran two segments. The two ends
> were anastamosed inside a larger bore piece of tubing held together with a
> lone c clamp. Over time ( 146 hours since taking delivery), the c clamps on
> the fuselage had loosened up allowing the cable guide end from the
> anastamosis segment forward to the prop governor to migrate forward. So
> now
> the cable would form an S curve between the two ends where a gap between
> the
> two copper tube guides were now. Fixing that required pulling the Aux and
> main fuel tanks out of the 50 and repairing the guide tubing. After doing
> this, I have not had any surging sensations or variation in the % RPM on
> the gauge.
>
> That is just some of the tribulations I have been through with my 50 while
> chasing a "surging engine".
>
> So here is a list of what has been done to solve the surging problem or
> the
> varying fluctuations in % RPM (by me-call it the shotgun approach over a
> span of 2 years as different parts of this equation have arisen):
>
> Pulled the carburetor only to find the fuel filter screen had fragments of
> the inner liner from the fuel line in it and could have been cleaned
> without
> pulling the carb. This came after the engine quit 50 feet off the runway on
> take-off resulting in a dead stick landing without damage to the A/C or
> myself. Funny thing, she started and ran fine back in the chocks with the
> exception wanting to surge at 80-90% when run up. This was done with the
> aircraft tied down and chocked. Losing the engine came without any prior
> warning.
>
> Replaced the primer lines after finding a small leak in the line at the
> base
> of the fitting at the firewall connection
>
> Replaced the fuel pump after seeing a mixture of oil and fuel drip down on
> my knee from the overflow valve while I was under the aircraft tightening
> the intake collars -seems the seal on the driveshaft was leaking allowing
> oil to seep down into the fuel pump. Had seen blue oily drops on the drop
> pan under the chin of the plane earlier but could not find a source. The
> drop pan was in place under the nose to prevent oil from collecting on my
> hanger floor.
>
> Replaced the o ring seal on the primer after fuel leaked out during priming
> that was not solved by tightening the knurled nut.
>
> Pulled the prop governor-replacing it with another along with changing out
> the springs for the stiffer set offered by Jim Kimbell
>
> Replaced the seals on the prop dome and piston - Bearings had been service
> the previous year.
>
> Pulled the finger screen in the capillary line to the prop - was clean
>
> Screwed with the idler arm on the prop governor because I could not get the
> prop to fully cycle after calling myself checking all the cable attachments
> except for the one I did not know about. The Russian Afro engineered one
> below and behind the fuel tanks hidden from sight. Did not find that one
> until the very last when I was trying to advance the cable end by pulling
> back on the prop lever. Seems the cable only moved about an inch. That sent
> me on a chase through the fuselage from the governor back to the prop lever
> attachment at the consol in the cockpit.
>
> Lastly repair the copper cable guide and tighten all the c clamps holding
> the prop governor cable. Then put the F@#$%^& fuel tanks back in along
> with
> re-attaching the lines making sure to use fuel lube on the threads. Making
> sure none got on the nipples so I would have an airtight seal without
> gumming up the fuel screen filters. ( Oh yeah, I pulled those and made sure
> they were clean too.)
>
> This along with checking and tightening any loose collars on the intakes at
> the cylinders and the supercharger.
>
> Also tighten any loose exhaust collars. A couple of each, intake and
> exhaust
> collars were found to be very slightly loose.less than a quarter turn.
> Doubt
> that had anything to do with the surging.
>
> Now having done all that, I have not the foggiest idea what solved the
> problem but it is gone.for now.
>
> Not sure I would spend much time flying her if she is surging to the point
> of losing power in flight though. I've been a test pilot enough over the
> past 6 years.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Disclaimer?: This was only intended to state what has been tried by myself
> to solve a "surging" problem that was experienced by myself. The writing of
> this epistle has only been intended to state what has been done by myself
> to
> resolve a problem I perceived and or experienced. This epistle was not in
> any way intended to imply that the problem currently being experienced it
> is
> in any way related. Your findings and resolution of this problem may vary
> from my findings. But good luck anyway.:^))
>
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
>
>
> Have you pulled the little finger screen on the right side of the nose case
> forward of the prop governor to make sure it completely clean? With the
> RPM
> going up and down, it sounds like it might be in the prop governor. But
> before you R&R the prop governor, check the finger screen and also make
> sure
> your prop hub counter weights move freely when the prop hub dome and piston
> are removed. When was the last time you removed the blades at the
> castellated nuts and cleaned and repacked the prop hub bearings?
>
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: bmiles <mailto:miles@wambua.com>
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 1:35 PM
>
> Subject: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
>
>
> Here are my symptoms. It's 54 Degrees outside and my Chang surges in the
> climb and once I'm level at 5500 I started messing with it so I can explain
> whats wrong.
>
> Once level the surging is more prominent when I ease the throttle forward,
> almost as if it wants to cut off but catches again. My Manifold Pressure
> stays the same, however the RPM is going up and down along with the surg.
>
> I used one hand and held the Prop forward and pushed the throttle forward
> again and it surged again but not as bad as without holding the prop
> forward.
>
> The prop seal was changed 3 weeks ago, that might be it or could it be my
> Governor going bad?
>
> Also when I landed I throttle forward and it just about died...So I got
> this
> crazy idea and left the primer in the up position and shove the throttle
> forward and it seemed ok. I did not do that in flight.......
>
> Any thoughts, be gentle mit me plz, It's my second time posting. Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285089#285089
>
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> Time: 10:26:46 AM PST US
> From: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: not a scam
>
> Hey all;
> My wife is trying to get a start on e-bay and has put on 28 Russian plugs I
> had
> hanging around. She'll be putting a 5th and 6th seat for a Baron (I think
> they
> will work for a Bonanza also) later today. Please don't be afraid of the
> plugs
> they are new as advertised. If you want/need some you can help the little
> lady
> get her first sale.
> Thanks a lot.
> Rick b
>
>
> Rick Basiliere
> discrab@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:22:48 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Air Pathways intercom
> From: "Noplugs" <qas44n@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I have come across an "Air Pathways AP120" Intercom. Does anyone use one
> of these?
> And can anyone help me with a copy of the installation manual & schematic?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285302#285302
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| Subject: | Re: The Surging Continues....Help |
You left the primer in the up position and ----it seemed OK.
If by the "UP" position you mean the center position then that may very well
fix the problem. The center position is OFF, the primer is closed. This is
the correct position for flight. Left or right of center is "ON" for priming
but if not closed after priming this will cause an over-rich mixture that
will result in the symptons you describe.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "bmiles" <miles@wambua.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Yak-List: The Surging Continues....Help
>
> Here are my symptoms. It's 54 Degrees outside and my Chang surges in the
> climb and once I'm level at 5500 I started messing with it so I can
> explain whats wrong.
>
> Once level the surging is more prominent when I ease the throttle forward,
> almost as if it wants to cut off but catches again. My Manifold Pressure
> stays the same, however the RPM is going up and down along with the surg.
>
> I used one hand and held the Prop forward and pushed the throttle forward
> again and it surged again but not as bad as without holding the prop
> forward.
>
> The prop seal was changed 3 weeks ago, that might be it or could it be my
> Governor going bad?
>
> Also when I landed I throttle forward and it just about died...So I got
> this crazy idea and left the primer in the up position and shove the
> throttle forward and it seemed ok. I did not do that in flight.......
>
> Any thoughts, be gentle mit me plz, It's my second time posting. Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285089#285089
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Alternator conversion |
Hi=2C
I'm converting my Cj-6 over to an alternator=2C It has the stock 285Hp Hous
ai. Does anyone have The M14 gear for this conversion (without oil passage)
? (I also need the M14 adaptor plate)
Thanks=2C
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
Larry Pine
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
Pilot and Copilot are doing well.- Andress, owner of #21 did a great job
for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake, peop
le...- The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming back-abo
ut 3 inches into the cockpit.-(pretty good for a head on of about 30+ kts
.- The engine and the truss absorbed a lot of the impact.-Unfortunately
the airframe was beyond repair.
-
It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker harness
es pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front seat.
- Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow.- I would a
dvise if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might
want to beef this area up in the near future.
-
>From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during straig
ht and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final determina
tion.- Again, great piloting and a great airframe.- We hope to-get th
em in the air again soon..
Larry Pine
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
Guys,
I have never liked the harness attach points on the CJ, can see how they
could easily pull through ESPECIALLY if non standard hardware was used.
I'm looking into a mod to beef up the rear seat harness attach point.
Should have something to report back in a week or so.
Doug
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Pilot and Copilot are doing well. Andress, owner of #21 did a great job
> for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake,
> people... The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming
> back about 3 inches into the cockpit. (pretty good for a head on of about
> 30+ kts. The engine and the truss absorbed a lot of the
> impact. Unfortunately the airframe was beyond repair.
>
> It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker
> harnesses pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front
> seat. Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow. I would
> advise if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might
> want to beef this area up in the near future.
>
> From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during
> straight and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final
> determination. Again, great piloting and a great airframe. We hope to get
> them in the air again soon..
> *Larry Pine*
>
>
--
Maybe life is not the party that we were expecting,
but in the mean time, we're here, the band is playing, so we may as well
dance....."
Douglas Sapp
Doug Sapp LLC
18B Riverview Road
Omak WA 98841
PH 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: Update on CJ6 emergency landing in Mesa Arizona |
VAL, HOW IS THE DOG ? and, how are YOU doing?
CLIFF
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Valerie Walker" <Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Update on CJ6 emergency landing in Mesa Arizona
Regarding #21s emergency landing and ultimate attack on the brick restro
om in Mesa yesterday=85. The pilots are to be further commended. They
were forced to land due to engine problems and had apparently done so q
uite successfully until a man and his dog got in the way (who do these c
ivilians think they are anyway? =85, running around on an emergency lan
ding field!) The pilots had to swerve into the brick building to miss t
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator conversion |
Matt
George Coy has theose parts.
joe
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From: matt salkeld
To: . ..
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Alternator conversion
Hi,
I'm converting my Cj-6 over to an alternator, It has the stock 285Hp
Housai. Does anyone have The M14 gear for this conversion (without oil
passage)? (I also need the M14 adaptor plate)
Thanks,
Matt Salkeld (C-FLFS)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ down in AZ? |
Glad to hear that everyone, including the dog, escaped without serious injury.
The 9.5 reading on the "G" meter would probably indicate a load on the shoulder
harness of 20+ "G's" since the "G" meter is positioned for essentially vertical
loads.
Doug; - I too am not happy with the shoulder harness attachment in the CJ - front
and back! and have already taken some action to correct this in my project.
Walt
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From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ down in AZ?
Guys,
I have never liked the harness attach points on the CJ, can see how they could
easily pull through ESPECIALLY if non standard hardware was used.
I'm looking into a mod to beef up the rear seat harness attach point. Should
have something to report back in a week or so.
Doug
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
Pilot and Copilot are doing well. Andress, owner of #21 did a great
job for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake, people...
The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming back about 3 inches
into the cockpit. (pretty good for a head on of about 30+ kts. The engine
and the truss absorbed a lot of the impact. Unfortunately the airframe was
beyond repair.
It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker harnesses
pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front seat.
Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow. I would advise
if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might want to
beef this area up in the near future.
From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during
straight and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final determination.
Again, great piloting and a great airframe. We hope to get them in
the air again soon..
Larry Pine
--
Maybe life is not the party that we were expecting,
but in the mean time, we're here, the band is playing, so we may as well dance....."
Douglas Sapp
Doug Sapp LLC
18B Riverview Road
Omak WA 98841
PH 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Another plane down?? |
L.A. NOW
Southern California -- this just in
Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands
February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm
Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane
crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino
County, authorities said.
The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taki
ng off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information release
d by the Federal Aviation Administration.
A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not
released.
The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic air
craft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities
said.
Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board we
re heading to the crash site Monday afternoon.
The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration reco
rds.
-- Robert J. Lopez
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Hello,
We just had a few more sets of Composite Wing Tips made up for the
CJ-6A, if anyone is interested, please contact me off list.. Thank you,
Best Regards
Jim
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