---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/09/10: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:13 AM - Re: Another plane down?? (Mark Davis) 2. 11:54 AM - Re: Another plane down?? (Roger Kemp M.D.) 3. 12:41 PM - Re: Another plane down?? (Herb Coussons) 4. 01:22 PM - Space Shuttle Endeavour (Terry Calloway) 5. 01:45 PM - Re: Another plane down?? (Roger Kemp M.D.) 6. 02:04 PM - Re: Another plane down?? (Roger Baker) 7. 02:13 PM - Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court (Chris Wise) 8. 02:13 PM - Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (cjpilot710@aol.com) 9. 02:44 PM - Re: Few: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court (Brian Nosko) 10. 03:01 PM - Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (DAVID STROUD) 11. 03:08 PM - Re: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court (cjpilot710@aol.com) 12. 03:33 PM - Re: Few: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court (bu131@swbell.net) 13. 03:49 PM - Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (jblake207@comcast.net) 14. 04:18 PM - Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (DAVID STROUD) 15. 04:49 PM - Re: Few: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court (Chris Wise) 16. 04:50 PM - Re: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court (Chris Wise) 17. 05:16 PM - Re: Another plane down?? (cjpilot710@aol.com) 18. 06:31 PM - Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (Noplugs) 19. 06:51 PM - Re: Another plane down?? (Roger Kemp M.D.) 20. 07:40 PM - EGT/CHT sensors and probes (keithmckinley) 21. 07:48 PM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (keithmckinley) 22. 07:54 PM - Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (Roger Kemp M.D.) 23. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (Roger Kemp M.D.) 24. 07:56 PM - Re: The Surging Continues....Help (keithmckinley) 25. 08:28 PM - Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips (keithmckinley) 26. 08:29 PM - Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips (keithmckinley) 27. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips (KingCJ6@aol.com) 28. 09:31 PM - Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips (keithmckinley) 29. 10:30 PM - Re: Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour (cjpilot710@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:52 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? This is the clip from the Redlands newspaper online: http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_14360951 Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Yak-List: Another plane down?? L.A. NOW Southern California -- this just in Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino County, authorities said. The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taking off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information released by the Federal Aviation Administration. A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not released. The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic aircraft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities said. Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were heading to the crash site Monday afternoon. The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration records. -- Robert J. Lopez ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:31 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Another plane down?? Not good. Still one to go. Taking bets on jammed elevator? Maybe it is the tail is lying on the ground but this appears to be a near vertical impact with the elevator just pitch down slightly. I would like to see what is in that tail section. Anyone know this pilot? Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? This is the clip from the Redlands newspaper online: http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_14360951 Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Yak-List: Another plane down?? L.A. NOW Southern California -- this just in Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino County, authorities said. The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taking off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information released by the Federal Aviation Administration. A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not released. The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic aircraft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities said. Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were heading to the crash site Monday afternoon. The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration records. -- Robert J. Lopez href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:48 PM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_14363329 Joseph M Gauthier and Amanda Herrington I do not know them - only this attached news story. Herb On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote: > Not good. Still one to go. Taking bets on jammed elevator? Maybe it is the tail is lying on the ground but this appears to be a near vertical impact with the elevator just pitch down slightly. I would like to see what is in that tail section. > Anyone know this pilot? > Doc > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:13 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? > > This is the clip from the Redlands newspaper online: > > http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_14360951 > > Mark Davis > N44YK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cjpilot710@aol.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Another plane down?? > > > > L.A. NOW > > Southern California -- this just in > > Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands > > February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm > Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino County, authorities said. > > The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taking off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information released by the Federal Aviation Administration. > > A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not released. > > The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic aircraft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities said. > > Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were heading to the crash site Monday afternoon. > > The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration records. > > -- Robert J. Lopez > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:22 PM PST US From: Terry Calloway Subject: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Denise and I attended the Space Shuttle Launch yesterday morning. The rough video I took can be viewed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCEolCod8 All thanks for the opportunity go to fellow RPA Member Rich Williams. Regards, Pumper ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:03 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Another plane down?? My Sympathies to the families. Fly safe guys and maintain those aircraft. That was not intended to imply anything about this accident period. A good preflight and a good maintenance program will hopefully save one from this fate. Blue Skies to those gone West. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_14363329 Joseph M Gauthier and Amanda Herrington I do not know them - only this attached news story. Herb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:14 PM PST US From: Roger Baker Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? Both were very young (under 30), both were USAF pilots flying UAV's in the CaANG at March AFB. He owned the 52, she owned a share in a Cessna 120. _________________________________ On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Herb Coussons wrote: > http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_14363329 > > Joseph M Gauthier and Amanda Herrington > I do not know them - only this attached news story. > > Herb > > > > On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote: > >> Not good. Still one to go. Taking bets on jammed elevator? Maybe it is the tail is lying on the ground but this appears to be a near vertical impact with the elevator just pitch down slightly. I would like to see what is in that tail section. >> Anyone know this pilot? >> Doc >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis >> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:13 AM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? >> >> This is the clip from the Redlands newspaper online: >> >> http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_14360951 >> >> Mark Davis >> N44YK >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: cjpilot710@aol.com >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 PM >> Subject: Yak-List: Another plane down?? >> >> >> >> L.A. NOW >> >> Southern California -- this just in >> >> Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands >> >> February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm >> Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino County, authorities said. >> >> The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taking off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information released by the Federal Aviation Administration. >> >> A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not released. >> >> The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic aircraft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities said. >> >> Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were heading to the crash site Monday afternoon. >> >> The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration records. >> >> -- Robert J. Lopez >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> > > > > Roger E. Baker, Managing Director Panadero Energy Components, LLC dba PEC AirAssist 760/809-5506 760/730-9244 760/454-4595 fax f4ffm2@roadrunner.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:10 PM PST US From: "Chris Wise" Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court G'Day all, This is going around australia. Can any of you in the U.S. tell us if there is any substance or truth in this. Pretty frightening if so as what is in the closet? And what would be the hidden agendas and aims? If we had a P.M. here in Australia with a background such as your President and these sorts of questions went unanswered or were unable to be answered and explained in a tatally satisfactory manner, he would be crucified by the media in particular and the opposision would demand his resignation. There would be hell to play. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr Keith Martyn Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Scroll right down - very interesting reading QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT I find it remarkable that the media can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, with photos, text messages, recorded phone calls and so on. They - the media - know not only the cause of his family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that his soon-to-be ex wife used to break the windows in his Escalade. Not only that, but they know which wedge/club it was. This is the same media that cannot - or will not try - locate Obama bin Lyin's Birth Certificate, or find out what passport he used to travel to and from Pakistan , or find any of his records or funding sources while he was in college. Where is the 'transparency' promised by the New Messiah? But then, this is America , not a Christian nation, and we are what is wrong with everything else in the world and need to get on our knees to apologize to everyone. And then the Saudis will decapitate us, if the Chinese don't initiate the Chinese water torture first. ************************************************************** Scroll down for the Article. VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move, certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T ! Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ? So, how did a young man, who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were, indeed, traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport. that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "naturalborn" American citizen between 1981 and 2008... Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you do care, then Forward this! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour From: cjpilot710@aol.com Very cool. I was still asleep in a warm bed. Great film and it will be significant because that's the last night launch for the shuttle. Only 4 to go. Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Terry Calloway Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:20 pm Subject: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Denise and I attended the Space Shuttle Launch yesterday morning. The rou gh ideo I took can be viewed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCEolCod8 All thanks for the opportunity go to fellow RPA Member Rich Williams. 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Brian Nosko _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: February-09-10 2:11 PM Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court G'Day all, This is going around australia. Can any of you in the U.S. tell us if there is any substance or truth in this. Pretty frightening if so as what is in the closet? And what would be the hidden agendas and aims? If we had a P.M. here in Australia with a background such as your President and these sorts of questions went unanswered or were unable to be answered and explained in a tatally satisfactory manner, he would be crucified by the media in particular and the opposision would demand his resignation. There would be hell to play. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr Keith Martyn Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Scroll right down - very interesting reading QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT I find it remarkable that the media can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, with photos, text messages, recorded phone calls and so on. They - the media - know not only the cause of his family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that his soon-to-be ex wife used to break the windows in his Escalade. Not only that, but they know which wedge/club it was. This is the same media that cannot - or will not try - locate Obama bin Lyin's Birth Certificate, or find out what passport he used to travel to and from Pakistan , or find any of his records or funding sources while he was in college. Where is the 'transparency' promised by the New Messiah? But then, this is America , not a Christian nation, and we are what is wrong with everything else in the world and need to get on our knees to apologize to everyone. And then the Saudis will decapitate us, if the Chinese don't initiate the Chinese water torture first. ************************************************************** Scroll down for the Article. VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move, certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T ! Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ? So, how did a young man, who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were, indeed, traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport. that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "naturalborn" American citizen between 1981 and 2008... Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you do care, then Forward this! _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. _____ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! Click Here! _____ Release Date: 02/06/10 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:16 PM PST US From: "DAVID STROUD" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Just curious...what's the significance the last ....night launch...Technology, etc. ? David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Very cool. I was still asleep in a warm bed. Great film and it will be significant because that's the last night launch for the shuttle. Only 4 to go. Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Terry Calloway To: Yak Yak List Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:20 pm Subject: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Denise and I attended the Space Shuttle Launch yesterday morning. The rough video I took can be viewed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCEolCod8 All thanks for the opportunity go to fellow RPA Member Rich Williams. Regards, Pumper get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/09/10 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court From: cjpilot710@aol.com A lot of wishful thinking on a lot of folks part. Check snopes.com for it 's back ground. A no no to discuss on this list. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wise Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:10 pm Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court G'Day all, This is going around australia. Can any of you in the U.S. tell us if there is any substance or truth in this. Pretty frightening if so as what is in the closet? And what would be the hidden agendas and aims? If we had a P.M. here in Australia with a background such as your Presiden t and these sorts of questions went unanswered or were unable to be answer ed and explained in a tatally satisfactory manner, he would be crucified by the media in particular and the opposision would demand his resignatio n. There would be hell to play. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr Keith Martyn Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Scroll right down - very interesting reading QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT I find it remarkable that the media can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, with photos, text messages , recorded phone calls and so on. They - the media - know not only the ca use of his family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that his soon-to-be ex wife used to break the windows in his Escalade . Not only that, but they know which wedge/club it was. This is the same media that cannot - or will not try - locate Obama bin Lyin's Birth Certi ficate, or find out what passport he used to travel to and from Pakistan , or find any of his records or funding sources while he was in college. Where is the 'transparency' promised by the New Messiah? But then, this is America , not a Christian nation, and we are what is wro ng with everything else in the world and need to get on our knees to apolo gize to everyone. And then the Saudis will decapitate us, if the Chinese don't initiate the Chinese water torture first. ************************************************************** Scroll down for the Article. VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move, certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of In formation" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts fr om Occidental College. Released today, the transcript school indicates tha t Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows th at Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenshi p. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizens hip, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimac y and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibili ty Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow ec onomic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as Presid ent in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Dono frio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the resul ts of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimat es that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disc losure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the invest igation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T ! Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth iss ue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttl ing between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ? So, how did a young man, who arrived in New York in early June 1981, witho ut the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the pric e of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karac hi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immig ration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a ra ther short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were, indeed, traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport. that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, Britis h or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 19 67. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "naturalborn" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. .. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presen ted to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoo n. If you do care, then Forward this! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=99s powerful SPAM protection. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Release Date: 02/06/10 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Few: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court From: bu131@swbell.net Vitally important Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Brian Nosko" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Few: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:57 PM PST US From: jblake207@comcast.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Geometry ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID STROUD" Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 5:00:46 PM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Just curious...what's the significance=C2-the last ....night launch...Tec hnology, etc. ? David Stroud=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under=C2- construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Very cool.=C2- I was still asleep in a warm bed.=C2- Great film and it will be significant because that's the last night launch for the shuttle. =C2- Only 4 to go. Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Terry Calloway < terrycalloway@mac.com > Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:20 pm Subject: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Denise and I attended the Space Shuttle Launch yesterday morning. The roug h video I took can be viewed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCEolCod8 Al l thanks for the opportunity go to fellow RPA Member Rich Williams. Regards, Pumper get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matron ics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="ht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c - Release Date: 02/09/10 07:35:00 == ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:08 PM PST US From: "DAVID STROUD" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Thanks. I was pretty good at basic geometry in school. Could you elaborate just a bit as it applies to the launch ? David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: jblake207@comcast.net To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Geometry ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID STROUD" To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 5:00:46 PM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Just curious...what's the significance the last ....night launch...Technology, etc. ? David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Very cool. I was still asleep in a warm bed. Great film and it will be significant because that's the last night launch for the shuttle. Only 4 to go. Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Terry Calloway To: Yak Yak List Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:20 pm Subject: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Denise and I attended the Space Shuttle Launch yesterday morning. The rough video I took can be viewed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCEolCod8 All thanks for the opportunity go to fellow RPA Member Rich Williams. 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Only posted the question as we are in Australia and sought some clarification from those that I regard as intelligent people. Only contacts I have in the U.S. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Nosko To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Few: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Totally inappropriate dialogue for what is to be a channel of communication amongst like minded pilots, not would-be politicians or conspiracy theorists! Brian Nosko ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: February-09-10 2:11 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court G'Day all, This is going around australia. Can any of you in the U.S. tell us if there is any substance or truth in this. Pretty frightening if so as what is in the closet? And what would be the hidden agendas and aims? If we had a P.M. here in Australia with a background such as your President and these sorts of questions went unanswered or were unable to be answered and explained in a tatally satisfactory manner, he would be crucified by the media in particular and the opposision would demand his resignation. There would be hell to play. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr Keith Martyn To: Chris Wise Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Scroll right down - very interesting reading QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT I find it remarkable that the media can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, with photos, text messages, recorded phone calls and so on. They - the media - know not only the cause of his family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that his soon-to-be ex wife used to break the windows in his Escalade. Not only that, but they know which wedge/club it was. This is the same media that cannot - or will not try - locate Obama bin Lyin's Birth Certificate, or find out what passport he used to travel to and from Pakistan , or find any of his records or funding sources while he was in college. Where is the 'transparency' promised by the New Messiah? But then, this is America , not a Christian nation, and we are what is wrong with everything else in the world and need to get on our knees to apologize to everyone. And then the Saudis will decapitate us, if the Chinese don't initiate the Chinese water torture first. ************************************************************** Scroll down for the Article. VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move, certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T ! Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ? So, how did a young man, who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were, indeed, traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport. that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "naturalborn" American citizen between 1981 and 2008... Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you do care, then Forward this! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Release Date: 02/06/10 19:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/06/10 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:06 PM PST US From: "Chris Wise" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Thanks Jim, Cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court A lot of wishful thinking on a lot of folks part. Check snopes.com for it's back ground. A no no to discuss on this list. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wise To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:10 pm Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court G'Day all, This is going around australia. Can any of you in the U.S. tell us if there is any substance or truth in this. Pretty frightening if so as what is in the closet? And what would be the hidden agendas and aims? If we had a P.M. here in Australia with a background such as your President and these sorts of questions went unanswered or were unable to be answered and explained in a tatally satisfactory manner, he would be crucified by the media in particular and the opposision would demand his resignation. There would be hell to play. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr Keith Martyn To: Chris Wise Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Fw: Obama Citizenship Issue Reaches Supreme Court Scroll right down - very interesting reading QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT I find it remarkable that the media can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, with photos, text messages, recorded phone calls and so on. They - the media - know not only the cause of his family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that his soon-to-be ex wife used to break the windows in his Escalade. Not only that, but they know which wedge/club it was. This is the same media that cannot - or will not try - locate Obama bin Lyin's Birth Certificate, or find out what passport he used to travel to and from Pakistan , or find any of his records or funding sources while he was in college. Where is the 'transparency' promised by the New Messiah? But then, this is America , not a Christian nation, and we are what is wrong with everything else in the world and need to get on our knees to apologize to everyone. And then the Saudis will decapitate us, if the Chinese don't initiate the Chinese water torture first. ************************************************************** Scroll down for the Article. VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move, certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T ! Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ? So, how did a young man, who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were, indeed, traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport. that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "naturalborn" American citizen between 1981 and 2008... Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you do care, then Forward this! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=99s powerful SPAM protection. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Release Date: 02/06/10 19:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/06/10 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? From: cjpilot710@aol.com To bad - so young and evidently very bright folks. Looking just a the elevator, (and assuming that nothing has been moved), the elevator is slightly "down" not "up" which by its inverted position, it should be down (up) just by the force of gravity. The wreckage indica tes a vertical impact. I agree with Doc, I'd look for jamming problem. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Roger Baker Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:03 pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? Both were very young (under 30), both were USAF pilots flying UAV's in the CaANG at March AFB. He owned the 52, she owned a share in a Cessna 120. _________________________________ On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Herb Coussons wrote: http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_14363329 Joseph M Gauthier and Amanda Herrington I do not know them - only this attached news story. Herb On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote: Not good. Still one to go. Taking bets on jammed elevator? Maybe it is the tail is lying on the ground but this appears to be a near vertical impact with the elevator just pitch down slightly. I would like to see what is in that tail section. Anyone know this pilot? Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? This is the clip from the Redlands newspaper online: http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_14360951 Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Yak-List: Another plane down?? L.A. NOW Southern California -- this just in Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino County, authorities said. The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taki ng off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information release d by the Federal Aviation Administration. A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not released. The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic air craft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities said. Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board we re heading to the crash site Monday afternoon. The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration reco rds. -- Robert J. 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The earths rotation, and declination have to be taken into account along with the orbit of wherever or what ever it is going to (space station) Plus making sure there is nothing up there that would conflict with its orbit. I sure there is a lot more that goes into it but its well above my pay grade. This tell them what date, time, inclination and azimuth How long to burn the main engines if a 1 or 2 OMS burns are needed (OMS Orbital maneuvering system). Its not a Point and Shoot process. Mike CJ6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285754#285754 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:52 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Another plane down?? Bummer. Thanks for the intel. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? Both were very young (under 30), both were USAF pilots flying UAV's in the CaANG at March AFB. He owned the 52, she owned a share in a Cessna 120. _________________________________ On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Herb Coussons wrote: http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_14363329 Joseph M Gauthier and Amanda Herrington I do not know them - only this attached news story. Herb On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote: Not good. Still one to go. Taking bets on jammed elevator? Maybe it is the tail is lying on the ground but this appears to be a near vertical impact with the elevator just pitch down slightly. I would like to see what is in that tail section. Anyone know this pilot? Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another plane down?? This is the clip from the Redlands newspaper online: http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sanbernardinocounty/ci_14360951 Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Yak-List: Another plane down?? L.A. NOW Southern California -- this just in Two die when Soviet-era plane crashes near Redlands February 8, 2010 | 3:37 pm Federal investigators were responding Monday to a single-engine airplane crash that killed two people 10 miles north of Redlands in San Bernardino County, authorities said. The Yakovlev YAK-52 aircraft crashed about 12:50 p.m. in a wash after taking off from Redlands Airport, according to preliminary information released by the Federal Aviation Administration. A man and a woman on board were killed, the FAA said. Their names were not released. The Yakovlev was originally designed as a Soviet trainer and acrobatic aircraft. The pilot had intended to return to Redlands Airport, authorities said. Investigators with the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were heading to the crash site Monday afternoon. The plane was owned by a Riverside man, according to FAA registration records. -- Robert J. 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Baker, Managing Director Panadero Energy Components, LLC dba PEC AirAssist 760/809-5506 760/730-9244 760/454-4595 fax f4ffm2@roadrunner.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:41 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: EGT/CHT sensors and probes From: "keithmckinley" If anyone is looking for some quality probes/sensors check this place out. http://tscsensors.com -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285764#285764 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:05 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Surging Continues....Help From: "keithmckinley" There is a cap on the primer that sometimes can get very loose and it can be hard to tell It has the hole in it for the plunger. Just a thought don't know if it would matter -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285766#285766 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:49 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour I think it means you are seeing the last of the Space Shuttles. If memory serves correct, we (the US) is down to 4 or 5 more Shuttle flights then they are retired. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Just curious...what's the significance the last ....night launch...Technology, etc. ? David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Very cool. I was still asleep in a warm bed. Great film and it will be significant because that's the last night launch for the shuttle. Only 4 to go. Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Terry Calloway Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:20 pm Subject: Yak-List: Space Shuttle Endeavour Denise and I attended the Space Shuttle Launch yesterday morning. The rough video I took can be viewed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPcCEolCod8 All thanks for the opportunity go to fellow RPA Member Rich Williams. Regards, Pumper get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ - Release Date: 02/09/10 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:33 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour Awe Damned, I thought it was Kentucky Windage?! :^)) Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noplugs Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour The Shuttle needs a lot of things to align for a launch so it may arrive at a point in space at the right time, altitude, and orbit. The earths rotation, and declination have to be taken into account along with the orbit of wherever or what ever it is going to (space station) Plus making sure there is nothing up there that would conflict with its orbit. I sure there is a lot more that goes into it but its well above my pay grade. This tell them what date, time, inclination and azimuth How long to burn the main engines if a 1 or 2 OMS burns are needed (OMS Orbital maneuvering system). Its not a Point and Shoot process. Mike CJ6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285754#285754 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:55 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Surging Continues....Help From: "keithmckinley" Also, is the fuel vent line a home for mud daubers?? -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285770#285770 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:01 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips From: "keithmckinley" you sir, are devilishly handsome [Shocked] -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285776#285776 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:27 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips From: "keithmckinley" you sir, are devilishly handsome [Shocked] -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285777#285777 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:16 PM PST US From: KingCJ6@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips are you looking for a room? In a message dated 2/9/2010 8:30:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, keith.mckinley@townisp.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: "keithmckinley" you sir, are devilishly handsome [Shocked] -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285777#285777 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:01 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6A Wing Tips From: "keithmckinley" no, discounted wing tips. -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285782#285782 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:51 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Space Shuttle Endeavour Actually I was thinking how pretty a night launch is. It literally turns night into day. Even at 60 nm away I can just discern shadows from it booster light. And having been up close like Terry, the sound is unbelievable! You feel it in your chest. You can actually see it coming across the water of the bay, as a pressure way. 4 more launches and the shuttle is retired. It was built just to build the ISS. 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