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Sat 02/13/10


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 06:12 AM - Whistling Canopy (Craig Winkelmann)
     2. 06:27 AM - Re: Whistling Canopy (Terry Calloway)
     3. 06:54 AM - Re: Whistling Canopy (A. Dennis Savarese)
     4. 06:57 AM - Re: Whistling Canopy (cjpilot710@aol.com)
     5. 08:13 AM - Re: Whistling Canopy (Shane Golden)
     6. 09:25 AM - Re: Whistling Canopy (William Halverson)
     7. 09:45 AM - Chinese spark plugs (KingCJ6@aol.com)
     8. 10:54 AM - Re: Chinese spark plugs (cjpilot710@aol.com)
     9. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE (Chanock Richka)
    10. 12:56 PM - Re: Chinese spark plugs (Phil Cogan)
    11. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE (Eric Wobschall)
    12. 05:14 PM - Trade A Plane Cover shot! (N642K)
    13. 06:02 PM - Re: Chinese spark plugs (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
    14. 06:18 PM - Re: Chinese spark plugs (T A LEWIS)
    15. 08:40 PM - New Zealand Red Stars (Hank Gibson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:12:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Whistling Canopy
    From: "Craig Winkelmann" <capav8r@gmail.com>
    The canopy on my CJ makes a whistling sound that is so loud ATC had a hard time listening at times (keying the mike and if the volume is up too loud, it is a bit deafening). Thought it might be the canopy bow seals that had a gap in them. They have been replaced with no improvement. I can stop the whistling sound by opening the front canopy to the second stop. Any ideas? Craig W Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286259#286259


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    Time: 06:27:31 AM PST US
    From: Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Whistling Canopy
    Slow down. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Craig Winkelmann <capav8r@gmail.com> wrote: > > The canopy on my CJ makes a whistling sound that is so loud ATC had > a hard time listening at times (keying the mike and if the volume is > up too loud, it is a bit deafening). Thought it might be the canopy > bow seals that had a gap in them. They have been replaced with no > improvement. I can stop the whistling sound by opening the front > canopy to the second stop. Any ideas? > > Craig W > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286259#286259 > >


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    Time: 06:54:18 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Whistling Canopy
    Craig, That's going to be a tough one to isolate. It's probably going to be a very small opening that is not obvious. So try starting with the front window. Put duct tape around the front window frame where the frame meets the Plexiglas. Also tape up the vent inlet at the bottom front. Then go fly. If that doesn't do it, then move to the next section; the front slider. With you in the front seat, have someone tape the canopy bow around the seal and at the rear of the slider where it overlaps the center section. Then go fly. Continue the process moving back to the next section if you haven't located it yet. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Calloway To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Whistling Canopy Slow down. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Craig Winkelmann <capav8r@gmail.com> wrote: <capav8r@gmail.com> > > The canopy on my CJ makes a whistling sound that is so loud ATC had > a hard time listening at times (keying the mike and if the volume is > up too loud, it is a bit deafening). Thought it might be the canopy > bow seals that had a gap in them. They have been replaced with no > improvement. I can stop the whistling sound by opening the front > canopy to the second stop. Any ideas? > > Craig W > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286259#286259 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:57:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Whistling Canopy
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Is it whistling Dixie? Though this has never happened to me before, I believe I would try the fol lowing. Before getting airborne try tapeing the edges of the canopy on th e inside with wide masking tape. Make sure you do that area above and beh ind your head. In effect this is sealing the canopy. Now at your normal cruse speeds, try removing the tape one section at a time. Maybe this ca n give you an idea of exactly where the noise is being created. Many of us old 707/747 guys are usually hard of hearing because of the small soni c shock wave that usually hung out near the cockpit side window. At least that is what we were told. I DO NOT think that your problem but air does strange things around the cockpit. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 9:26 am Subject: Re: Yak-List: Whistling Canopy Slow down. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Craig Winkelmann <capav8r@gmail.com> wrote: > > The canopy on my CJ makes a whistling sound that is so loud ATC had > a hard time listening at times (keying the mike and if the volume is > up too loud, it is a bit deafening). Thought it might be the canopy > bow se als that had a gap in them. They have been replaced with no > improvement. I can stop the whistling sound by opening the front > canopy to the secon d stop. Any ideas? > > Craig W > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286259#286259 > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============


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    Time: 08:13:45 AM PST US
    From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Whistling Canopy
    I had this exact same problem with my -52 years ago. The problem is caused by having just the right amount of gap between the leather seal and the sliding section of canopy. Fixed it by add 3/4" by 1/4" high density weather stripping in two layers to the existing seal. Works great. No more whistle or cold air. Available from Mcmaster-Carr @ www.mcmaster.com Shane -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Yak-List: Whistling Canopy The canopy on my CJ makes a whistling sound that is so loud ATC had a hard time listening at times (keying the mike and if the volume is up too loud, it is a bit deafening). Thought it might be the canopy bow seals that had a gap in them. They have been replaced with no improvement. I can stop the whistling sound by opening the front canopy to the second stop. Any ideas? Craig W Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286259#286259


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    Time: 09:25:21 AM PST US
    From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
    Subject: Re: Whistling Canopy
    No, no ,no .... Speed up! +-----Original Message----- +From: Terry Calloway [mailto:terrycalloway@mac.com] +Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 06:26 AM +To: yak-list@matronics.com +Subject: Re: Yak-List: Whistling Canopy + + +Slow down.


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    Time: 09:45:54 AM PST US
    From: KingCJ6@aol.com
    Subject: Chinese spark plugs
    Auto plugs, but it makes one wonder.......(use the page down or down arrow to view)


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    Time: 10:54:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chinese spark plugs
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Yeeek! HOWEVER! How many times have we seen a really nice neat shop, (cl ean floors, nice neat tool boxes, neatly dress mechanics, accommodating st aff etc) be really lousy when it came to fixing your airplane? For me the most accommodating and right on the money when it came to diagnosing my engine problem, was some south Georgia kid in a T shirt, beat-up jeans, who was working on a crop duster, that looked like it had been ridden har d and put away wet. I've always found manufacturing (assembly lines and such) very interesting . None are ever laid out the way you think factory should be. There appe ars to be no order to them at all. The only place that seem to have any order at all is the final assembly line and even than it can get confused . My advice to this Chinese factory boss, owner, whatever, is to at least cl ean up the chips and stuff off the floor. (I bet there no recycling progr am or EPA inspectors around). I think these plugs may be good enough for my mower though. JIm "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: KingCJ6@aol.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44 pm Subject: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Auto plugs, but it makes one wonder.......(use the page down or down arrow to view)


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    Time: 11:55:44 AM PST US
    From: Chanock Richka <crichka@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
    Helo Mark=3B I am a Yak 52 owner in s. Florida=2C I also have a su29 in meny parts (cras h) include the gear legs. I will sale parts to anyone or exchang for some y ak 52or 18T. Chanock Born to fly=2C Forced to work > From: mark@pld.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE > Date: Fri=2C 12 Feb 2010 14:47:26 -0700 > > > A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the fight > more interesting. What's the difference in the empty weights Mark? > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bitterlich=2C Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point=2C MALS-14 64E" > <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday=2C February 12=2C 2010 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE > > int=2C > > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > > > > Did you watch the YouTube video Tim? > > > > This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask how muc h > > it costs=2C you really need to look elsewhere. This is a one of a kind > > aircraft=2C built using the best features of three different models of > > Sukhoi=2C to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick ass in any > > aerobatic contest=2C limited only by the abilities of the pilot and lit tle > > else. The design allows it to be supported by existing parts=2C the pr oof > > of the design comes from winning the four minute free-style=2C and the price > > is in line with what the very best of these aircraft go for these days. > > > > Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear struts o n > > these aircraft and made from solid titanium. SOLID TITANIUM! Go anywh ere > > you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it would cost to make just > > one. The wings have been stress tested to over 20 G's before failure. > > Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND time (same > > wings) to over 9 G's. The engine is one of the most powerful M-14's ev er > > produced by Russia. The fuel system has been customized to allow long > > cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than a YAK-50. > > > > Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these=2C is honestly > > comparing apples to oranges. No matter how many apples you buy=2C you still > > don't have an orange. The old saying applies: "Speed costs money=2C ho w > > fast do you want to go?" In this case=2C we are talking about competit ive > > aerobatics. How much is the very best worth? Depends on how badly you > > want to win. > > > > Mark Bitterlich > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon > > Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE > > > > > > > > > > It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money=2C I would ge t a > > 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with numbers!! > > > > Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and a tub? > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.


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    Time: 12:56:44 PM PST US
    From: "Phil Cogan" <n21740@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Chinese spark plugs
    Buy those people some safety glasses! From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Yeeek! HOWEVER! How many times have we seen a really nice neat shop, (clean floors, nice neat tool boxes, neatly dress mechanics, accommodating staff etc) be really lousy when it came to fixing your airplane? For me the most accommodating and right on the money when it came to diagnosing my engine problem, was some south Georgia kid in a T shirt, beat-up jeans, who was working on a crop duster, that looked like it had been ridden hard and put away wet. I've always found manufacturing (assembly lines and such) very interesting. None are ever laid out the way you think factory should be. There appears to be no order to them at all. The only place that seem to have any order at all is the final assembly line and even than it can get confused. My advice to this Chinese factory boss, owner, whatever, is to at least clean up the chips and stuff off the floor. (I bet there no recycling program or EPA inspectors around). I think these plugs may be good enough for my mower though. JIm "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: KingCJ6@aol.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44 pm Subject: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Auto plugs, but it makes one wonder.......(use the page down or down arrow to view)


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    Time: 01:31:33 PM PST US
    From: Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
    Subject: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
    Contact me off list, please. I have a friend with a flying SU-29, and he may have interest. On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Chanock Richka wrote: > Helo Mark; > I am a Yak 52 owner in s. Florida, I also have a su29 in meny parts > (crash) include the gear legs. I will sale parts to anyone or > exchang for some yak 52or 18T. > > Chanock Born to fly, Forced to work > > > > From: mark@pld.com > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE > > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:47:26 -0700 > > > > > > A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the > fight > > more interesting. What's the difference in the empty weights Mark? > > > > Mark Davis > > N44YK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" > > <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:07 PM > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE > > > > > Cherry Point, > > > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > > > > > > Did you watch the YouTube video Tim? > > > > > > This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask > how much > > > it costs, you really need to look elsewhere. This is a one of a > kind > > > aircraft, built using the best features of three different > models of > > > Sukhoi, to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick ass in > any > > > aerobatic contest, limited only by the abilities of the pilot > and little > > > else. The design allows it to be supported by existing parts, > the proof > > > of the design comes from winning the four minute free-style, and > the price > > > is in line with what the very best of these aircraft go for > these days. > > > > > > Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear > struts on > > > these aircraft and made from solid titanium. SOLID TITANIUM! Go > anywhere > > > you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it would cost to > make just > > > one. The wings have been stress tested to over 20 G's before > failure. > > > Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND > time (same > > > wings) to over 9 G's. The engine is one of the most powerful > M-14's ever > > > produced by Russia. The fuel system has been customized to allow > long > > > cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than a > YAK-50. > > > > > > Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these, is > honestly > > > comparing apples to oranges. No matter how many apples you buy, > you still > > > don't have an orange. The old saying applies: "Speed costs > money, how > > > fast do you want to go?" In this case, we are talking about > competitive > > > aerobatics. How much is the very best worth? Depends on how > badly you > > > want to win. > > > > > > Mark Bitterlich > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon > > > Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money, I > would get a > > > 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with > numbers!! > > > > > > Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and > a tub? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><==================== > > _================== > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Micr201469226/direct/01/' > target='_new'>Sign up now. > >


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    Time: 05:14:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Trade A Plane Cover shot!
    From: "N642K" <mdecanio@mac.com>
    Did you catch Mike Cavanaugh's Yak on the cover of Feb's TAP? http://www.trade-a-plane.com/coverphotos/graphics/2010/February1.jpg I hear the CJ he was flying formation on looked even better! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286334#286334


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    Time: 06:02:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chinese spark plugs
    From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
    Yea right, that's exactly where it started in the good ol USA. First cle an up the chips, then fire extinguishers and checked every year, grease re covery, paint recovery, oil recovery, tire recycling, eye wash stations, first aid, wheel chair ramps, safety glasses. I was in the automotive/mot orcycle business, it was endless, OSHA to the rescue. Each and every cost passed on to the consumer, prices went up, stress went up, everything went up. Then just as now manufactures started falling, Triumph (the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world in 1970), BSA, Norton, Husqvarna, etc. It was the Japanese then and now the Chinese, an d its our own fault. Just how damn safe do we have to be anyway? When wil l you say stop? When they tell you flying is too dangerous for you and pe ople on the ground? They have already done that to some extent, and to us, no flying over congested areas, no flying into Class B. So it all starts with someone with some suggestion to make YOUR life safer . Isn't that really your decision to make? Just my opinion, have a nice day. TGB -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:54 am Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Yeeek! HOWEVER! How many times have we seen a really nice neat shop, (cl ean floors, nice neat tool boxes, neatly dress mechanics, accommodating st aff etc) be really lousy when it came to fixing your airplane? For me the most accommodating and right on the money when it came to diagnosing my engine problem, was some south Georgia kid in a T shirt, beat-up jeans, who was working on a crop duster, that looked like it had been ridden har d and put away wet. I've always found manufacturing (assembly lines and such) very interesting . None are ever laid out the way you think factory should be. There appe ars to be no order to them at all. The only place that seem to have any order at all is the final assembly line and even than it can get confused . My advice to this Chinese factory boss, owner, whatever, is to at least cl ean up the chips and stuff off the floor. (I bet there no recycling progr am or EPA inspectors around). I think these plugs may be good enough for my mower though. JIm "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: KingCJ6@aol.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44 pm Subject: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Auto plugs, but it makes one wonder.......(use the page down or down arrow to view) ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 06:18:25 PM PST US
    From: T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Chinese spark plugs
    You nailed it !=0ATerry=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr om: "vectorwarbirds@aol.com" <vectorwarbirds@aol.com>=0ATo: yak-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Sat, February 13, 2010 9:00:54 PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs=0A=0AYea right, that's exactly where it started in the good ol USA.- First clean up the chips, then fire extinguishers and check ed every year, grease recovery, paint recovery, oil recovery, tire recyclin g, eye wash stations, first aid, wheel chair ramps, safety glasses. I was i n the automotive/motorcycle business, it was endless, OSHA to the rescue. - =0A=0AEach and every cost passed on to the consumer, prices went up, st ress went up, everything went up.- Then just as now manufactures started falling, Triumph (the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world in 1970) , BSA, Norton, Husqvarna, etc.- It was the Japanese then and now the Chin ese, and its our own fault. Just how damn safe do we have to be anyway?- When will you say stop?- When they tell you flying is too dangerous for y ou and people on the ground? They have already done that to some extent, an d to us, no flying over congested areas, no flying into Class B.- =0A=0AS o it all starts with someone with some suggestion to make YOUR life safer. - Isn't that really your decision to make?=0A=0AJust my opinion, have a n ice day.=0A=0ATGB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: cjpilot7 10@aol.com=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:54 am =0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs=0A=0A=0AYeeek!- HOWEVER!- How many times have we seen a really nice neat shop, (clean floors, nice n eat tool boxes, neatly dress mechanics, accommodating staff etc) be really lousy when it came to fixing your airplane?- For me the most accommodatin g and right on the money when it came to diagnosing my engine problem, was some south Georgia kid in a T shirt, beat-up jeans, who was working on a cr op duster, that looked like-it had been ridden hard and put away wet.=0A =0AI've always found manufacturing (assembly lines and such) very interesti ng.- None are ever laid out the way you think factory should be.- There appears to be no order to them at all.- The only place that seem to have any order at all is the final assembly line and even than it can get confu sed.=0A=0AMy advice to this Chinese factory boss, owner, whatever, is to at least clean up the chips and stuff off the floor.- (I bet there no recyc ling program or EPA inspectors around).- I think these plugs may be good enough for my mower though.=0A=0AJIm "Pappy" Goolsby=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Origin al Message-----=0AFrom: KingCJ6@aol.com=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent : Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44 pm=0ASubject: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs=0A=0A =0AAuto plugs, but it makes one wonder.......(use the page down or down arr ow to view)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A================ =====================0A=0Ap://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Lis t=0A=0A====================== ===============0A=0Ap://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A============== =======================0A=0Ap:/ /www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A======================== =========================0A ======


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    From: Hank Gibson <hkgibby@yahoo.com>
    Subject: New Zealand Red Stars
    Hello Downunda- - Any Kiwis in the Middle Earth (Christchurch and Wellington) that would be i nterested in showing off to two pilots and a F/A and taking us up during th e 16-21 Feb time frame during our layover.- We will spring for dinner, co ld ones and some petrol...Please contact me at hkgibby@yahoo.com off list o r call me direct on my mobile if interested.- Even to share a cold one wo uld be great if not able to fly. - Hoot CJ/Jacksonville, Florida- Hank Gibson 904-738-3240 Mobile 904-213-1760 Home hkgibby@yahoo.com hkgibson@fnf.com hgibson@flightworks.com --- On Sat, 2/13/10, T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs You nailed it ! Terry From: "vectorwarbirds@aol.com" <vectorwarbirds@aol.com> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 9:00:54 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Yea right, that's exactly where it started in the good ol USA.- First cle an up the chips, then fire extinguishers and checked every year, grease rec overy, paint recovery, oil recovery, tire recycling, eye wash stations, fir st aid, wheel chair ramps, safety glasses. I was in the automotive/motorcyc le business, it was endless, OSHA to the rescue.- Each and every cost passed on to the consumer, prices went up, stress went up, everything went up.- Then just as now manufactures started falling, T riumph (the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world in 1970), BSA, Nor ton, Husqvarna, etc.- It was the Japanese then and now the Chinese, and i ts our own fault. Just how damn safe do we have to be anyway?- When will you say stop?- When they tell you flying is too dangerous for you and peo ple on the ground? They have already done that to some extent, and to us, n o flying over congested areas, no flying into Class B.- So it all starts with someone with some suggestion to make YOUR life safer. - Isn't that really your decision to make? Just my opinion, have a nice day. TGB -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:54 am Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Yeeek!- HOWEVER!- How many times have we seen a really nice neat shop, (clean floors, nice neat tool boxes, neatly dress mechanics, accommodating staff etc) be really lousy when it came to fixing your airplane?- For me the most accommodating and right on the money when it came to diagnosing my engine problem, was some south Georgia kid in a T shirt, beat-up jeans, wh o was working on a crop duster, that looked like-it had been ridden hard and put away wet. - I've always found manufacturing (assembly lines and such) very interesting. - None are ever laid out the way you think factory should be.- There ap pears to be no order to them at all.- The only place that seem to have an y order at all is the final assembly line and even than it can get confused . - My advice to this Chinese factory boss, owner, whatever, is to at least cle an up the chips and stuff off the floor.- (I bet there no recycling progr am or EPA inspectors around).- I think these plugs may be good enough for my mower though. - JIm "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: KingCJ6@aol.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44 pm Subject: Yak-List: Chinese spark plugs Auto plugs, but it makes one wonder.......(use the page down or down arrow to view) p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Yak-List p://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http:============ =========== =0A=0A=0A




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