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| Subject: | Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE |
Mark Davis writes:
"What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?"
About $250,000 worth!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
There is a lot of pride shared between YAK-50 pilots, and it is a
wonderful airplane. With the PF, or Jan's 435 horsepower monster
engine, it becomes even better.
The wings are not strong enough for unlimited level aerobatics. They
are also not symmetrical. It also does not have the roll rate.
You put Hubie Tolson in this Super 26, and anyone you want in any YAK-50
in the world, with any model of M-14, with any VG's, or other
enhancements you want, and the YAK-50 would be toast, and it would be
toast so fast you wouldn't believe it.
I have messed around with Hubie in my stock 50 with him flying a stock
26 and a 31. The Suke will out "everything" the 50. I tried to screw
with him once in a formation flight coming back from Warrington
Virginia. I came into the break wide freaking open, out of a shallow
dive with him tucked in tight. Doing about 200 mph. Rolled 90 and
pulled ... Well I pulled a lot. We'll leave the "G" meter value out of
this conversation. I rolled level and there was Hubie on my wing
smiling at me. Sheesh. Yes, he had the MT-9-260, but still. The Super
26 is MUCH better than the stock 26.
The Super 26 was built by Richard Goode by the way. Ask HIM how it
performs.
Apples and Oranges... Just the way it is.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 16:47
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the fight
more interesting. What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Did you watch the YouTube video Tim?
>
> This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask how
much
> it costs, you really need to look elsewhere. This is a one of a kind
> aircraft, built using the best features of three different models of
> Sukhoi, to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick ass in any
> aerobatic contest, limited only by the abilities of the pilot and
little
> else. The design allows it to be supported by existing parts, the
proof
> of the design comes from winning the four minute free-style, and the
price
> is in line with what the very best of these aircraft go for these
days.
>
> Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear struts
on
> these aircraft and made from solid titanium. SOLID TITANIUM! Go
anywhere
> you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it would cost to make just
> one. The wings have been stress tested to over 20 G's before failure.
> Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND time
(same
> wings) to over 9 G's. The engine is one of the most powerful M-14's
ever
> produced by Russia. The fuel system has been customized to allow long
> cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than a YAK-50.
>
> Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these, is honestly
> comparing apples to oranges. No matter how many apples you buy, you
still
> don't have an orange. The old saying applies: "Speed costs money, how
> fast do you want to go?" In this case, we are talking about
competitive
> aerobatics. How much is the very best worth? Depends on how badly you
> want to win.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
>
>
>
> It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money, I would get
a
> 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with
numbers!!
>
> Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and a
tub?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181
>
>
>
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Is anyone selling premade seat cushions for CJs? Thanks Kelley Monroe
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| Subject: | Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE |
the stock SU26 still has enough performance to place in the top ten in the world
championships. When you have enough performance to do this, further performance
enhancements are more want than need. With 400 hp and empty weight around
1500 lb, i'll take the reliability of this engine over the 400plus M14P variants.
You don't see the MX2 in the top of the world championships. It will leave
a Sukhoi in its dust, yet the contest mission is still what the Sukhoi does best.
Dogfighting? I'll bet the MX will smoke anything.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
Mark Davis writes:
"What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?"
About $250,000 worth!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
There is a lot of pride shared between YAK-50 pilots, and it is a
wonderful airplane. With the PF, or Jan's 435 horsepower monster
engine, it becomes even better.
The wings are not strong enough for unlimited level aerobatics. They
are also not symmetrical. It also does not have the roll rate.
You put Hubie Tolson in this Super 26, and anyone you want in any YAK-50
in the world, with any model of M-14, with any VG's, or other
enhancements you want, and the YAK-50 would be toast, and it would be
toast so fast you wouldn't believe it.
I have messed around with Hubie in my stock 50 with him flying a stock
26 and a 31. The Suke will out "everything" the 50. I tried to screw
with him once in a formation flight coming back from Warrington
Virginia. I came into the break wide freaking open, out of a shallow
dive with him tucked in tight. Doing about 200 mph. Rolled 90 and
pulled ... Well I pulled a lot. We'll leave the "G" meter value out of
this conversation. I rolled level and there was Hubie on my wing
smiling at me. Sheesh. Yes, he had the MT-9-260, but still. The Super
26 is MUCH better than the stock 26.
The Super 26 was built by Richard Goode by the way. Ask HIM how it
performs.
Apples and Oranges... Just the way it is.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 16:47
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the fight
more interesting. What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Did you watch the YouTube video Tim?
>
> This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask how
much
> it costs, you really need to look elsewhere. This is a one of a kind
> aircraft, built using the best features of three different models of
> Sukhoi, to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick ass in any
> aerobatic contest, limited only by the abilities of the pilot and
little
> else. The design allows it to be supported by existing parts, the
proof
> of the design comes from winning the four minute free-style, and the
price
> is in line with what the very best of these aircraft go for these
days.
>
> Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear struts
on
> these aircraft and made from solid titanium. SOLID TITANIUM! Go
anywhere
> you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it would cost to make just
> one. The wings have been stress tested to over 20 G's before failure.
> Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND time
(same
> wings) to over 9 G's. The engine is one of the most powerful M-14's
ever
> produced by Russia. The fuel system has been customized to allow long
> cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than a YAK-50.
>
> Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these, is honestly
> comparing apples to oranges. No matter how many apples you buy, you
still
> don't have an orange. The old saying applies: "Speed costs money, how
> fast do you want to go?" In this case, we are talking about
competitive
> aerobatics. How much is the very best worth? Depends on how badly you
> want to win.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
>
>
>
> It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money, I would get
a
> 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with
numbers!!
>
> Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and a
tub?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE |
I agree with your totally.
-
If you want to win the Nationals, let alone the Worlds, you go for any adva
ntage you can get.- This Super 26 has some serious advantages.-
-
Some people want the best of the best in any given category.- This is arg
uable the best performing SU-26 in the world.-
-
Enough said.
-
Mark Bitterlich
-
-
-
-
--- On Tue, 2/16/10, rick@rvairshows.com <rick@rvairshows.com> wrote:
From: rick@rvairshows.com <rick@rvairshows.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
the stock SU26 still has enough performance to place in the top ten in the
world championships. When you have enough performance to do this, further p
erformance enhancements are more want than need.- With 400 hp and empty w
eight around 1500 lb, i'll take the reliability of this engine over the 400
plus M14P variants.
- - You don't see the MX2 in the top of the world championships. It wil
l leave a Sukhoi in its dust, yet the contest mission is still what the Suk
hoi does best. Dogfighting? I'll bet the MX will smoke anything.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterli
ch@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
ALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Mark Davis writes:
"What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?"
About $250,000 worth!-
Sorry, couldn't resist.-
There is a lot of pride shared between YAK-50 pilots, and it is a
wonderful airplane.- With the PF, or Jan's 435 horsepower monster
engine, it becomes even better.-
The wings are not strong enough for unlimited level aerobatics.- They
are also not symmetrical.- It also does not have the roll rate.-
You put Hubie Tolson in this Super 26, and anyone you want in any YAK-50
in the world, with any model of M-14, with any VG's, or other
enhancements you want, and the YAK-50 would be toast, and it would be
toast so fast you wouldn't believe it.-
I have messed around with Hubie in my stock 50 with him flying a stock
26 and a 31.- The Suke will out "everything" the 50.- I tried to screw
with him once in a formation flight coming back from Warrington
Virginia.- I came into the break wide freaking open, out of a shallow
dive with him tucked in tight.- Doing about 200 mph.- Rolled 90 and
pulled ... Well I pulled a lot.- We'll leave the "G" meter value out of
this conversation.- I rolled level and there was Hubie on my wing
smiling at me.- Sheesh.- Yes, he had the MT-9-260, but still.- The Su
per
26 is MUCH better than the stock 26.-
The Super 26 was built by Richard Goode by the way.- Ask HIM how it
performs.-
Apples and Oranges... Just the way it is.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 16:47
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the fight
more interesting.---What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Did you watch the YouTube video Tim?
>
> This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask how
much
> it costs, you really need to look elsewhere.- This is a one of a kind
> aircraft, built using the best features of three different models of
> Sukhoi, to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick ass in any
> aerobatic contest, limited only by the abilities of the pilot and
little
> else.- The design allows it to be supported by existing parts, the
proof
> of the design comes from winning the four minute free-style, and the
price
> is in line with what the very best of these aircraft go for these
days.
>
> Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear struts
on
> these aircraft and made from solid titanium.- SOLID TITANIUM!- Go
anywhere
> you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it would cost to make just
> one.- The wings have been stress tested to over 20 G's before failure.
> Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND time
(same
> wings) to over 9 G's.- The engine is one of the most powerful M-14's
ever
> produced by Russia.- The fuel system has been customized to allow long
> cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than a YAK-50.
>
> Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these, is honestly
> comparing apples to oranges.- No matter how many apples you buy, you
still
> don't have an orange.- The old saying applies: "Speed costs money, how
> fast do you want to go?"- In this case, we are talking about
competitive
> aerobatics. How much is the very best worth?- Depends on how badly you
> want to win.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
>
>
>
> It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money, I would get
a
> 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with
numbers!!
>
> Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and a
tub?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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Will pass info.
Thanks.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chanock Richka
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 14:55
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
Helo Mark;
I am a Yak 52 owner in s. Florida, I also have a su29 in meny parts
(crash) include the gear legs. I will sale parts to anyone or exchang
for some yak 52or 18T.
Chanock Born to fly, Forced to work
> From: mark@pld.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:47:26 -0700
>
>
> A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the
> fight more interesting. What's the difference in the empty weights
Mark?
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
>
>
> > --> Point,
> > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > Did you watch the YouTube video Tim?
> >
> > This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask how
> > much it costs, you really need to look elsewhere. This is a one of a
> > kind aircraft, built using the best features of three different
> > models of Sukhoi, to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick
> > ass in any aerobatic contest, limited only by the abilities of the
> > pilot and little else. The design allows it to be supported by
> > existing parts, the proof of the design comes from winning the four
> > minute free-style, and the price is in line with what the very best
of these aircraft go for these days.
> >
> > Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear
> > struts on these aircraft and made from solid titanium. SOLID
> > TITANIUM! Go anywhere you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it
> > would cost to make just one. The wings have been stress tested to
over 20 G's before failure.
> > Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND time
> > (same
> > wings) to over 9 G's. The engine is one of the most powerful M-14's
> > ever produced by Russia. The fuel system has been customized to
> > allow long cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than
a YAK-50.
> >
> > Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these, is
> > honestly comparing apples to oranges. No matter how many apples you
> > buy, you still don't have an orange. The old saying applies: "Speed
> > costs money, how fast do you want to go?" In this case, we are
> > talking about competitive aerobatics. How much is the very best
> > worth? Depends on how badly you want to win.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon
> > Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money, I would
> > get a
> > 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with
numbers!!
> >
> > Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and a
tub?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ><====================
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Great Looking bird too. Would look even better if they would just fold the
feet. I know it is a weight thing.
The thing is, if I were going to spend $250k for an airplane now I would
pull another $200K out of my orifice to plunk down on a YAK3/9 or even an
11.
Not the same I know and a different type of flying also.
Each to his own as economics dictate.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Mark Davis writes:
"What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?"
About $250,000 worth!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
There is a lot of pride shared between YAK-50 pilots, and it is a
wonderful airplane. With the PF, or Jan's 435 horsepower monster
engine, it becomes even better.
The wings are not strong enough for unlimited level aerobatics. They
are also not symmetrical. It also does not have the roll rate.
You put Hubie Tolson in this Super 26, and anyone you want in any YAK-50
in the world, with any model of M-14, with any VG's, or other
enhancements you want, and the YAK-50 would be toast, and it would be
toast so fast you wouldn't believe it.
I have messed around with Hubie in my stock 50 with him flying a stock
26 and a 31. The Suke will out "everything" the 50. I tried to screw
with him once in a formation flight coming back from Warrington
Virginia. I came into the break wide freaking open, out of a shallow
dive with him tucked in tight. Doing about 200 mph. Rolled 90 and
pulled ... Well I pulled a lot. We'll leave the "G" meter value out of
this conversation. I rolled level and there was Hubie on my wing
smiling at me. Sheesh. Yes, he had the MT-9-260, but still. The Super
26 is MUCH better than the stock 26.
The Super 26 was built by Richard Goode by the way. Ask HIM how it
performs.
Apples and Oranges... Just the way it is.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 16:47
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
A similar 435 HP engine on a -50 with a set of VG's would make the fight
more interesting. What's the difference in the empty weights Mark?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Did you watch the YouTube video Tim?
>
> This is basically one of those aircraft that if you have to ask how
much
> it costs, you really need to look elsewhere. This is a one of a kind
> aircraft, built using the best features of three different models of
> Sukhoi, to create a purpose built aircraft meant to kick ass in any
> aerobatic contest, limited only by the abilities of the pilot and
little
> else. The design allows it to be supported by existing parts, the
proof
> of the design comes from winning the four minute free-style, and the
price
> is in line with what the very best of these aircraft go for these
days.
>
> Just to give the uninitiated a little hint... the landing gear struts
on
> these aircraft and made from solid titanium. SOLID TITANIUM! Go
anywhere
> you want in the U.S. of A. and ask how much it would cost to make just
> one. The wings have been stress tested to over 20 G's before failure.
> Then tested again AFTER they failed and they held the SECOND time
(same
> wings) to over 9 G's. The engine is one of the most powerful M-14's
ever
> produced by Russia. The fuel system has been customized to allow long
> cross countries... and this thing will cruise faster than a YAK-50.
>
> Comparing how many YAK-50's you can buy for one of these, is honestly
> comparing apples to oranges. No matter how many apples you buy, you
still
> don't have an orange. The old saying applies: "Speed costs money, how
> fast do you want to go?" In this case, we are talking about
competitive
> aerobatics. How much is the very best worth? Depends on how badly you
> want to win.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Fri 2/12/2010 2:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: BAD ASS SUKE FOR SALE
>
>
>
> It might beat a -50 in 1-v-1...but for that kind of money, I would get
a
> 4 -50's and go all China on him....meaning overwhelm him with
numbers!!
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> Nice bird.....can I live in it? Is there a place for a stove and a
tub?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286181#286181
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