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1. 02:22 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (Ahmed M. Ragheb)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (N642K)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: Sun&Fun hotel. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (Eric Wobschall)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (n4829t@aol.com)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
9. 08:24 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
10. 08:41 AM - Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (Noplugs)
11. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (T A LEWIS)
12. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas (Eric Wobschall)
13. 04:00 PM - Sun & Fun hotel (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 07:23 PM - Re: Sun & Fun hotel (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
Is the the Gas without Ethanol and how do you find airports with MoGas?
Thanks
Med
On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:09 PM, vectorwarbirds@aol.com wrote:
> FYI:
>
> As you may know we have been running Mogas in our CJs for over
> fifteen years now in three birds. On my trip to Sun N Fun in 08 I
> targeted and purchased fuel from only Mogas airports coming and
> going. By the time I got back I had saved over $750.00 in fuel
> costs by not using 100LL. That paid for my hotel room and food for
> the entire trip. And just to reiterate, we have not had one single
> problem running Mogas, in fact just the opposite, they run better,
> spark plugs last longer and we are saving a ton of money. My fuel
> tank meter on my truck fueler shows 5400 gallons of Mogas going into
> my CJ, you do the math in savings. And that does not include buying
> it at Mogas airports.
>
> Anyway I will be doing the same thing this trip, and I suspect I
> will save even more than before. There are literally hundreds of
> Mogas airports back East, few and far between out West. Winterhaven
> KGIF right by Lakeland has a Mogas pump and it is currently $3.30.
> Thats where I fuel when at Sun N Fun.
>
> Tally Ho!
>
> TGB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
(I'm no expert on mogas but) I have noticed that when I search for the best gas
prices in the area or on a cross country in Airnav.com has an option to check
for mogas.
Airnav saves me $$$ every trip.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289185#289185
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Copy. Interesting stats on the AC weights and fuel. Cool. Definitely not
a YAK with her short legs.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
Doc,
Yep, 345hp Housai, only came in the Haiyan C, which is what I have.
Good thing too, it needs it tanked up! Runs at 36 inches and 2750 rpm.
A few different items as well.
Believe it or not my stock gross weight is stated at 4486 lbs! My AC
weights about 250 lbs more than a stock CJ empty. Max gross now is set
at 4000lbs.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 7:40 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
Cool. Is this a Housi?
Doc
From: <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com?>
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
<mailto:vectorwarbirds@aol.com> vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
Flys fine, 350hp. Plus I make out big time at airshows! I'm looking
for drop tanks!
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. < <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:20 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
DamnedYGTBSM! 92 gal! That has to be one pig to fly. You need
Jack Edwards with 5500 ft runways to get that off the ground.
Are you planning to one leg it to China?
Doc
From: <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com?>
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
<mailto:vectorwarbirds@aol.com> vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
92 gallons and with a good tail wind..............
But usually I put down to pee and tanker Mogas ($3.25) at Sky West 7T7.
Its usually my backseater that wants/has to land but I have relief tubes
installed for the weak.
But if any stocker CJ's go I guess I will have to land and relive my
first days in the Nanchang.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. < <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 2, 2010 9:29 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
Dude,
How much fuel you packing in that CJ? RON at Jack Edwards? That is one
hell of a leg.
Doc
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owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com?>
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
<mailto:vectorwarbirds@aol.com> vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
Anybody that wants to team up and fly to Sun N Fun from the West Coast
let me know. I will leave on the 12th most likely. I usually overnight
at Jack Edwards KJKA Alabama. Come on get the lead out Pappy needs the
points!!
Thanks for setting up the rooms Mr. Goolsby!
Please contact me off list.
Bunndini
Vector Warbirds USA
<mailto:vectorwarbirds@aol.com> vectorwarbirds@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com> cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 10:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Sun&Fun hotel.
So far I have only 4 folks who are interested in cut rate rooms for Sun
and Fun this year. The hotel I am negotiating with is only 3.5 miles
from the airport. I need more folks in order to get a discount. Time
is running out on so you need to let me know soon.
Just talked to the S & F folks and we will be getting a tent spot in
very much the same place as last year, right on the main warbird ramp
where every one can see us.
The Thunderbirds will be there this year. That means big crowds.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
I'm assuming that people use 93 or whatever the highest octane
available might be. Is even that high enough for a supercharged,
albeit low compression engine like the M-14P? Is there spalling or
seal dissolution from the up to 10% of ethanol that the high octane
car fuels usually have, or is any ethanol a no-no? What about winter/
summer formulations (I'm in the Northeast)? Any necessary additives
like TCP or MMO? Also, does the MoGas gum things up the way 100LL
doesn't? If it does, would that be no problem if you ran some 100LL
through there occasionally?
My Yak-52 manual makes no mention of this being an acceptable
substitute, but of course, I want to have some things worked out at
such time that 100LL can't be had anymore. For EE purposes, no STC is
called for, right?
On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Michael Beach wrote:
> Just a quick question on the Mogas, do you use Premium or standard
> unleaded fuel.
>
>
> REGARDS
>
> MICHAEL BEACH
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 2:10 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
>
> FYI:
>
> As you may know we have been running Mogas in our CJs for over
> fifteen years now in three birds. On my trip to Sun N Fun in 08 I
> targeted and purchased fuel from only Mogas airports coming and
> going. By the time I got back I had saved over $750.00 in fuel
> costs by not using 100LL. That paid for my hotel room and food for
> the entire trip. And just to reiterate, we have not had one single
> problem running Mogas, in fact just the opposite, they run better,
> spark plugs last longer and we are saving a ton of money. My fuel
> tank meter on my truck fueler shows 5400 gallons of Mogas going into
> my CJ, you do the math in savings. And that does not include buying
> it at Mogas airports.
>
> Anyway I will be doing the same thing this trip, and I suspect I
> will save even more than before. There are literally hundreds of
> Mogas airports back East, few and far between out West. Winterhaven
> KGIF right by Lakeland has a Mogas pump and it is currently $3.30.
> Thats where I fuel when at Sun N Fun.
>
> Tally Ho!
>
> TGB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
We have always used 87 octane, the lowest grade.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beach <mbeach@hartwigs.com.au>
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:46 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
Just a quick question on the Mogas, do you use Premium orstandard unleaded
fuel.
REGARDS
MICHAEL BEACH
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
FYI:
As you may know we have been running Mogas in our CJs for over fifteen yea
rsnow in three birds. On my trip to Sun N Fun in 08 I targeted andpurchas
ed fuel from only Mogas airports coming and going. By the time Igot back
I had saved over $750.00 in fuel costs by not using 100LL. Thatpaid for
my hotel room and food for the entire trip. And just toreiterate, we hav
e not had one single problem running Mogas, in fact just theopposite, they
run better, spark plugs last longer and we are saving a ton ofmoney. My
fuel tank meter on my truck fueler shows 5400 gallons of Mogasgoing into
my CJ, you do the math in savings. And that does not includebuying it at
Mogas airports.
Anyway I will be doing the same thing this trip, and I suspect I will save
evenmore than before. There are literally hundreds of Mogas airports bac
kEast, few and far between out West. Winterhaven KGIF right by Lakelandha
s a Mogas pump and it is currently $3.30. Thats where I fuel when atSun
N Fun.
Tally Ho!
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As I said some is and some isn't. Never a problem for us. If you Google
"Airports with mogas" you will find a complete list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ahmed M. Ragheb <f16ftrplt@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:16 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
Is the the Gas without Ethanol and how do you find airports with MoGas?
Thanks
Med
On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:09 PM, vectorwarbirds@aol.com wrote:
> FYI:
>
> As you may know we have been running Mogas in our CJs for over > fifteen
years now in three birds. On my trip to Sun N Fun in 08 I > targeted and
purchased fuel from only Mogas airports coming and > going. By the time
I got back I had saved over $750.00 in fuel > costs by not using 100LL.
That paid for my hotel room and food for > the entire trip. And just to
reiterate, we have not had one single > problem running Mogas, in fact ju
st the opposite, they run better, > spark plugs last longer and we are sav
ing a ton of money. My fuel > tank meter on my truck fueler shows 5400 ga
llons of Mogas going into > my CJ, you do the math in savings. And that
does not include buying > it at Mogas airports.
>
> Anyway I will be doing the same thing this trip, and I suspect I > will
save even more than before. There are literally hundreds of > Mogas airp
orts back East, few and far between out West. Winterhaven > KGIF right by
Lakeland has a Mogas pump and it is currently $3.30. > Thats where I fue
l when at Sun N Fun.
>
> Tally Ho!
>
> TGB
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Pretty much now it all runs abou
t 5 to 8% ethanol per our fuel tester. We have done all the soak tests on
the rubber with no problems occurring.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hamlin <ph451@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
Is it ethanol free?
From: Michael Beach <mbeach@hartwigs.com.au>
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 9:46:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
Just a quick question on the Mogas, do you use Premium or standard unleade
d fuel.
REGARDS
MICHAEL BEACH
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tronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
FYI:
As you may know we have been running Mogas in our CJs for over fifteen yea
rs now in three birds. On my trip to Sun N Fun in 08 I targeted and purch
ased fuel from only Mogas airports coming and going. By the time I got ba
ck I had saved over $750.00 in fuel costs by not using 100LL. That paid
for my hotel room and food for the entire trip. And just to reiterate,
we have not had one single problem running Mogas, in fact just the opposi
te, they run better, spark plugs last longer and we are saving a ton of mo
ney. My fuel tank meter on my truck fueler shows 5400 gallons of Mogas go
ing into my CJ, you do the math in savings. And that does not include buy
ing it at Mogas airports.
Anyway I will be doing the same thing this trip, and I suspect I will save
even more than before. There are literally hundreds of Mogas airports ba
ck East, few and far between out West. Winterhaven KGIF right by Lakeland
has a Mogas pump and it is currently $3.30. Thats where I fuel when at
Sun N Fun.
Tally Ho!
TGB
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
Well as I said we run 87 octane, the lowest grade. The CJ was made to ru
n low grade fuel. Now the M-14P is a different story. You are developing
360 HP to our 285 from basically the same engine. But given that we have
run high test in the Yak 18T for some time with no problems. We add noth
ing to the fuel, it runs cleaner in all respects.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:53 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
I'm assuming that people use 93 or whatever the highest octane available
might be. Is even that high enough for a supercharged, albeit low compres
sion engine like the M-14P? Is there spalling or seal dissolution from the
up to 10% of ethanol that the high octane car fuels usually have, or is
any ethanol a no-no? What about winter/summer formulations (I'm in the No
rtheast)? Any necessary additives like TCP or MMO? Also, does the MoGas gu
m things up the way 100LL doesn't? If it does, would that be no problem if
you ran some 100LL through there occasionally?
My Yak-52 manual makes no mention of this being an acceptable substitute,
but of course, I want to have some things worked out at such time that 10
0LL can't be had anymore. For EE purposes, no STC is called for, right?
On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Michael Beach wrote:
Just a quick question on the Mogas, do you use Premium or standard unleade
d fuel.
REGARDS
MICHAEL BEACH
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tronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
FYI:
As you may know we have been running Mogas in our CJs for over fifteen yea
rs now in three birds. On my trip to Sun N Fun in 08 I targeted and purch
ased fuel from only Mogas airports coming and going. By the time I got ba
ck I had saved over $750.00 in fuel costs by not using 100LL. That paid
for my hotel room and food for the entire trip. And just to reiterate,
we have not had one single problem running Mogas, in fact just the opposi
te, they run better, spark plugs last longer and we are saving a ton of mo
ney. My fuel tank meter on my truck fueler shows 5400 gallons of Mogas go
ing into my CJ, you do the math in savings. And that does not include buy
ing it at Mogas airports.
Anyway I will be doing the same thing this trip, and I suspect I will save
even more than before. There are literally hundreds of Mogas airports ba
ck East, few and far between out West. Winterhaven KGIF right by Lakeland
has a Mogas pump and it is currently $3.30. Thats where I fuel when at
Sun N Fun.
Tally Ho!
TGB
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
Octane is just an Anti-Knock number, but also plays a role with high altitude.
But to add some food for thought 87 Octane has 125000 Btus/Gal compared to 100LLs
120200 Btus/Gal. So a gallon of 87 Octane can produce 4800 more BTUs, in
other words it can do more work per gallon (translates to more HP).
In a high compression engine or High pressure boosted engines need the higher Octane
to prevent pre-detonation of the fuel/air mix which will stress the engine
even destroy it? Octane also plays a role in preventing the fuel to boil off
at high altitude and can cause vapor lock.
Now does the CJ need 100LL? I real doubt it because even with its blower it still
does not develop high compression and normal flight altitude we fly would not
cause vapor lock. As for alcohol blended fuels, its a No-No for one of many
reasons; the rubber parts in the fuel system will deteriorate.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289216#289216
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
When able , I use marine fuel in myCJ because in Fl. it doesn't have ethanol and
it has a stabilizer so it doesn't go bad from sitting .
Marinas don't use fuel with ethanol because it will eat fiberglass fuel tanks and
some rubber parts.
Terry
----- Original Message ----
From: Noplugs <qas44n@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 11:41:31 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
Octane is just an Anti-Knock number, but also plays a role with high altitude.
But to add some food for thought 87 Octane has 125000 Btus/Gal compared to 100LLs
120200 Btus/Gal. So a gallon of 87 Octane can produce 4800 more BTUs, in other
words it can do more work per gallon (translates to more HP).
In a high compression engine or High pressure boosted engines need the higher Octane
to prevent pre-detonation of the fuel/air mix which will stress the engine
even destroy it? Octane also plays a role in preventing the fuel to boil off
at high altitude and can cause vapor lock.
Now does the CJ need 100LL? I real doubt it because even with its blower it still
does not develop high compression and normal flight altitude we fly would not
cause vapor lock. As for alcohol blended fuels, its a No-No for one of many
reasons; the rubber parts in the fuel system will deteriorate.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289216#289216
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas |
I wonder if we can get that stuff up North. Probably not off-season,
anyway.
On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:07 PM, T A LEWIS wrote:
>
> When able , I use marine fuel in my CJ because in Fl. it doesn't
> have ethanol and it has a stabilizer so it doesn't go bad from
> sitting .
> Marinas don't use fuel with ethanol because it will eat fiberglass
> fuel tanks and some rubber parts.
> Terry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Noplugs <qas44n@yahoo.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 11:41:31 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchangs, Sun N Fun and Mogas
>
>
> Octane is just an Anti-Knock number, but also plays a role with high
> altitude. But to add some food for thought 87 Octane has 125000 Btu
> s/Gal compared to 100LLs 120200 Btus/Gal. So a gallon of 87
> Octane can produce 4800 more BTUs, in other words it can do more
> work per gallon (translates to more HP).
> In a high compression engine or High pressure boosted engines need
> the higher Octane to prevent pre-detonation of the fuel/air mix
> which will stress the engine even destroy it? Octane also plays a
> role in preventing the fuel to boil off at high altitude and can
> cause vapor lock.
> Now does the CJ need 100LL? I real doubt it because even with its
> blower it still does not develop high compression and normal flight
> altitude we fly would not cause vapor lock. As for alcohol blended
> fuels, its a No-No for one of many reasons; the rubber parts in
> the fuel system will deteriorate.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289216#289216
>
>
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Troops,
I have arranged for a group rate at a hotel located JUST 3 miles from the
Lakeland airport. The rate will be $90/night (They are normally over a
$100/nite). I've contracted for 10 rooms. So far only eight people have
indecated they are interested.
Do NOT call me for reservation. You must call direct to the hotel and mak
e your reservations.. The group rate is under "Red Star Pilots Associatio
n".
The hotel is the Imperial Swan Hotel and Suites. http://w
ww.imperialswanlakeland.com/
4141 South Florida Ave.
Lakeland, Fl.
The phone number is 863-647-3000
The please call after there after Friday.
I will be looking in to group transportation later. I'd like to get an id
ea on how many will need it. The plan right now is a simple schedule of
- to the airport in morning after breakfast. Back to the hotel after the
airshow is over and airplanes tied down. I'll need to know how many peop
le will want to get in on this.
JIm "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun hotel |
Pappy,
Count me in!
And thanks!
Gary Bunn
Vector Warbirds USA
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:58 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Sun & Fun hotel
Troops,
I have arranged for a group rate at a hotel located JUST 3 miles from the
Lakeland airport. The rate will be $90/night (They are normally over a
$100/nite). I've contracted for 10 rooms. So far only eight people have
indecated they are interested.
Do NOT call me for reservation. You must call direct to the hotel and mak
e your reservations.. The group rate is under "Red Star Pilots Associatio
n".
The hotel is the Imperial Swan Hotel and Suites. http://w
ww.imperialswanlakeland.com/
4141 South Florida Ave.
Lakeland, Fl.
The phone number is 863-647-3000
The please call after there after Friday.
I will be looking in to group transportation later. I'd like to get an id
ea on how many will need it. The plan right now is a simple schedule of
- to the airport in morning after breakfast. Back to the hotel after the
airshow is over and airplanes tied down. I'll need to know how many peop
le will want to get in on this.
JIm "Pappy" Goolsby
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