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1. 12:16 AM - Re: The Time has come.. (Jetj01@aol.com)
2. 03:43 AM - Really Big Blowout (Cpayne)
3. 04:53 AM - Top Dog race (Russ)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Top Dog race (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: Top Dog race (rick@rvairshows.com)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Top Dog race (Eric Wobschall)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: The Time has come.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Really Big Blowout (doug sapp)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: The Time has come.. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
10. 10:18 AM - Re: Top Dog race (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 10:20 AM - Re: Top Dog race (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: More Big Blowout (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
13. 10:40 AM - Re: The Time has come.. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
14. 10:41 AM - Re: The Time has come.. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
15. 11:15 AM - Re: 48 Long TAN FLIGHT SUIT....free (only shipping cost) (skidmk)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: 48 Long TAN FLIGHT SUIT....free (only shipping cost) (Eric Wobschall)
17. 12:20 PM - Re: 48 Long TAN FLIGHT SUIT....free (only shipping cost) (Tim Gagnon)
18. 02:11 PM - Re: More Big Blowout (William Halverson)
19. 02:39 PM - Re: Top Dog race (Roger Kemp M.D.)
20. 02:43 PM - Re: Top Dog race (Roger Kemp M.D.)
21. 02:50 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
22. 02:54 PM - Re: More Big Blowout (Roger Kemp M.D.)
23. 02:59 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
24. 03:03 PM - Running WFO (Cpayne)
25. 03:15 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
26. 03:18 PM - Re: More Big Blowout (rick@rvairshows.com)
27. 05:01 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (keithmckinley)
28. 05:01 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (keithmckinley)
29. 07:10 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (John Fischer)
30. 07:40 PM - Re: Top Dog race (cjpilot710@aol.com)
31. 08:18 PM - Yak Attack fly-in 1-May-2010 (White Waltham, UK) (psb777)
32. 09:57 PM - Re: The Time has come.. (keithmckinley)
33. 10:30 PM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (Jetj01@aol.com)
34. 10:50 PM - Re: Top Dog race (Greg Young)
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
So not turn and roll rate, that's true. And I'm quite sure not less take
off roll or more climb rate. Or maybe more inverted capability, max G or
maybe not even top speed. How do you have Doc's -50 beat? Carrying more
than one person?
Just curious, my -50 wants to know too.
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur '50 any day
of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate... otherwise, I think
I've got you beat!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52:18 PM GMT -06:00 Central America
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Yeah, a bunch of Gull wing CJ=99s swallowing around the pylons
now 50=99s g=99
ing it up would be another thing! But of course being a Viper kinda man
a
refurbished A model in the Unlimited category would be way to cool!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ. So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout! Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012 ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Really Big Blowout |
Everyone racing puts Money in the pot, winner takes all. I'm talking about the
CJ-6 (or Yak-52) airframe. Assuming that some yahoo hasn't hung something besides
a Huosai or M-14 variant engine, all mods allowed. Malcom hoods OK, RV-8 canopies
OK, really BIG spinners OK, Massive, awe-inspiring props OK. Bright Chrome
side exhausts OK. JATO bottles - bad sportsmanship.
Many years ago, there was a Huosai engined CJ that was really fast. It was stripped
to the shell, nothing in the back hole but seat and stick, 300 lbs less than
mine. Haven't seen it since.
Over the course of several timed races and test runs, I discovered that a CJ-6
needs quite a while to get that last 10 kts. Perhaps it's de-carbonizing but I
believe that a 15-20 mile course would work.
Craig Payne
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD' (Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the RPA
store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going to
the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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| Subject: | Re: Top Dog race |
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting cold hard gre
en backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he realizes how wim
py his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260 hp Hou
si 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD' (Aussies)
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suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
urn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
ircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the RPA
tore somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going to
he RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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| Subject: | Re: Top Dog race |
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| Subject: | Re: Top Dog race |
DOH!!!!
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote:
> Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design.
> Rick Volker
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
>
> Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d
> hard green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he=
> realizes how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
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> Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260=
> hp Housi 6 in the airplane.
>
> Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
>
> Pappy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
> Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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> Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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| Subject: | The Time has come.. |
Fights On. You coming to the Maxwell Thunder over the River air show
this weekend? The 52 is on display so the 50 will be free for a little 1
V 1.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
So not turn and roll rate, that's true. And I'm quite sure not less
take off roll or more climb rate. Or maybe more inverted capability,
max G or maybe not even top speed. How do you have Doc's -50 beat?
Carrying more than one person?
Just curious, my -50 wants to know too.
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur '50 any
day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate... otherwise, I
think I've got you beat!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52:18 PM GMT -06:00 Central America
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Yeah, a bunch of Gull wing CJ=99s swallowing around the
pylonsnow 50=99s g=99ing it up would be another
thing! But of course being a Viper kinda man a refurbished A model in
the Unlimited category would be way to cool!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ. So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout! Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012 ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Really Big Blowout |
I all reality guys I am not going to run the guts out of my motor for less
than 5K per race. This is the way I have it figured--- the first guy to
win will have a automatic opportunity to do it again because the loser will
have many ego saving excuses to go do it again, and as we all know and have
seen ego overrules good fiscal responsibility every time. So after winning
twice a fella can afford to have his motor overhauled (well almost). So
you'd better come to grips with the fact that bragging rights are not worth
squat, I fully agree with Pappy and would only add that just knowing that a
portion of the 50 crisp C notes in my greasy palm actually came from you
would be priceless.
The CJ you refer to was Steve Culp's, who for a time offered to run anyone
title for title, but could find no takers. Don't know where it ended up
after he sold it.
Best,
Doug
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
> Everyone racing puts Money in the pot, winner takes all. I'm talking about
> the CJ-6 (or Yak-52) airframe. Assuming that some yahoo hasn't hung
> something besides a Huosai or M-14 variant engine, all mods allowed. Malcom
> hoods OK, RV-8 canopies OK, really BIG spinners OK, Massive, awe-inspiring
> props OK. Bright Chrome side exhausts OK. JATO bottles - bad sportsmanship.
>
> Many years ago, there was a Huosai engined CJ that was really fast. It was
> stripped to the shell, nothing in the back hole but seat and stick, 300 lbs
> less than mine. Haven't seen it since.
>
> Over the course of several timed races and test runs, I discovered that a
> CJ-6 needs quite a while to get that last 10 kts. Perhaps it's
> de-carbonizing but I believe that a 15-20 mile course would work.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | The Time has come.. |
Doc, I think he is talking about... "ho hum" .... throttle to the
firewall how fast will it go? The CJ-6 is a clean airframe with a good
go-fast wing. With the right engine, in a simple straight and level BOY
OH BOY who goes faster competition, I think the CJ-6 might take the 50,
again only if it has a good engine on it. My bone stock YAK-50 will
still do 200 mph straight and level... But that's ALL it will do.
That's 360 HP, not 400. A two bladed paddle prop. Nothing else.
Stock.
Take off run: The 50 wins.
Roll Rate: The 50 wins.
Aerobatic capability: The 50 wins
Climb rate: The 50 wins.
Dog fight: The 50 wins, unless the pilot is really freaking lame.
G Limitations: The 50 wins.
Vne: The 50 wins. In a dive, the wings would come off the CJ
before the 50 reached never exceed speed. :-) (That's a smile folks)
Straight line go fast, nothing else... I think the CJ might just get the
50, but not by much if it did. Bone stock, firewalled, I do 174 knots.
The CJ is faster than that right? Very well could be. Now pull it into
anything other than straight and level and it becomes a dead meat
target.
And it carries two people. Cool.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Fights On. You coming to the Maxwell Thunder over the River air show
this weekend? The 52 is on display so the 50 will be free for a little 1
V 1.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
So not turn and roll rate, that's true. And I'm quite sure not less
take off roll or more climb rate. Or maybe more inverted capability,
max G or maybe not even top speed. How do you have Doc's -50 beat?
Carrying more than one person?
Just curious, my -50 wants to know too.
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur
'50 any day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate...
otherwise, I think I've got you beat!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52:18 PM GMT -06:00 Central
America
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Yeah, a bunch of Gull wing CJ's swallowing around the
pylons...now 50's g'ing it up would be another thing! But of course
being a Viper kinda man a refurbished A model in the Unlimited category
would be way to cool!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:53 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air
Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to
see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight
Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and
the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno
Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be
something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real
Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could
one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't
put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that
advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
<cpayne@joimail.com>
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ.
So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many
have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom
hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that
Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout!
Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the
US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012
ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in
order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your
money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or
Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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Good answer.
Mark Bitterlich
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design.
Rick Volker
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard green
backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how wimpy his
little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp Housi 6
in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
--&
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD' (Aussies)= .
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns, turn direction,
etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one aircraft. Results
posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the RPA store somehow.
Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going to the RPA.
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Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow. For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk
going to the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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| Subject: | More Big Blowout |
Man, that was the best answer YET John!
Mark
P.s. Craig... Apples to Apples is a CJ to a CJ ... And a YAK to a YAK.
I think you have opened things up beyond that correct? ??
P.p.s. Reno: Wait a minute... It's not even worth asking? And you now
only want to put $100 into the pot? Man, I just spent $500 on brake
parts for my UTVA-66. Speed costs money and speed is not cheap. I have
no dog in this fight, but if I did, if I thought I had something worth
bringing, I'd put 2 grand in the pot without blinking an eye. Seriously,
at the very minimum $1000. Damn, I burn that much fuel in a MONTH.
Craig... Come on now.
P.p.p.s. I've got another bad idea. Let's start a side-bet ... Who's
going to be the bookie?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Big Blowout
Craig,
Thanks for clearing that up.
Now I will have the engineer stop crunching numbers to mount a
J85-GE-21B under my Yak-52.
It would have been interesting when I kicked in the Afterburner!
Laterrrrrr
John Fischer
At 01:30 PM 3/25/2010, you wrote:
>
>OK, sorry to ruffle the down feathers on my Yakkista friends. I really
>don't want to see a get together without them. Just a race and
>subsequent "debrief" would be a waste of expensive Avgas without
>ancillary activities. Activities like All Red Star has...but such event
>seems more like "All Left Coast Red Star".
>
>Perhaps something more centralized at a time and place where severe
>weather is not the expected forecast. Any suggestions?
>
>As far a pure speed goes, if all I wanted in an airplane was speed, I
>could build another Cassutt with a big motor. Point is, CJ's (and
>Yaks) are fun airplanes and a little competition sweetens the fun.
>Just flying formation gets old after a while.
>
>No I'm not interested in big bets, $100 each in the pot is plenty.
>I'll probably end up spending $600 in gas just to get there and back. I
>Expect to get beat so Pappy, save your money for beer and Avgas. But,
>how you put a price on Bragging Rights and Glory??
>
>No way would Reno want us, CJ's/Yaks are too slow, too small and
>especially too quiet to be crowd pleasers, even on the short course.
>
>One other point...Doug, I'm talking about the CJ-6, not a pumped up -5.
>Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges.
>
>Craig Payne
>
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| Subject: | The Time has come.. |
My stock 50 does 200 mph. I believe that if I put a serious engine on
it, like say about 430 HP or so, and had a prop specifically built for
speed, then stripped the darn thing down even more, I might just get 220
mph out of the thing. That's darn close to T-6 speed. The "stock" T-6
speed is 200 mph. The stock YAK-50 speed is: 200 mph. I am not talking
about 52's. I am not talking about CJ's. I'm talking about a YAK-50.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I have done a little dog-fighting with a T-6 down in Florida.
It's a wonderful beautiful heavy airframe with a big 600 HP engine. I
want one! However, the 50 tears it a new rear end in 1 v 1. Period.
Not even close.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD VOLKER
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Probably slower than the T6 class. Can you see a Yak 52 or CJ that is as
stock as the winning Gold or silver T6 getting to their speeds? 230mph?
What a fun class to watch though!
Rick Volker
On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:52 PM, jetj01@aol.com wrote:
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air
Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to
see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight
Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and
the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno
Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be
something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real
Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could
one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't
put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that
advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
<cpayne@joimail.com>
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ.
So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many
have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom
hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that
Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout!
Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the
US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012
ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in
order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your
money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or
Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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Huh? What? Snore......
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
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Craig,
Now you've gone and done it...you woke up Mark.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ. So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout! Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012 ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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I'm reminded of a Monty Python movie.
:)
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Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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Is that an English of African GAU-2C?
On Mar 26, 2010, at 2:15 PM, skidmk wrote:
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> I'm reminded of a Monty Python movie.
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> :)
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> Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
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skidmk wrote:
> I'm reminded of a Monty Python movie.
>
> :)
Crossing the bridge?
What is your favorite color? Red...no wait....wrong! ahhhhhhhhh
English...USAF...
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| Subject: | Re: More Big Blowout |
What about handicap racing? CJs, 50s, 52s, and 55s?
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E [mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil]
+Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:33 AM
+To: yak-list@matronics.com
+Subject: RE: Yak-List: More Big Blowout
+
+
+Man, that was the best answer YET John!
+
+Mark
+
+P.s. Craig... Apples to Apples is a CJ to a CJ ... And a YAK to a YAK.
+I think you have opened things up beyond that correct? ??
+
+P.p.s. Reno: Wait a minute... It's not even worth asking? And you now
+only want to put $100 into the pot? Man, I just spent $500 on brake
+parts for my UTVA-66. Speed costs money and speed is not cheap. I have
+no dog in this fight, but if I did, if I thought I had something worth
+bringing, I'd put 2 grand in the pot without blinking an eye. Seriously,
+at the very minimum $1000. Damn, I burn that much fuel in a MONTH.
+Craig... Come on now.
+
+P.p.p.s. I've got another bad idea. Let's start a side-bet ... Who's
+going to be the bookie?
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If we are going to do that then lets add the =BE scale F4U Corsair with
the
M-14 in the nose?
It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We=92ll see.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
DOH!!!!
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote:
Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d
hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes
how
wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260=
hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
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I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the
RPA
store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going
to
the RPA.
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Answer...No he did not.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow. For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk
going to the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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| Subject: | The Time has come.. |
Copy all and maybe so if It were a competition with an M-14 powered CJ but
not a Housi powered CJ. I'm figuring this race needs to be over a course.
TO, climb to 3500 ft, fly 25 miles to nearby air port (say Tallassee, Al),
do touch and go, climb back up to 3500 feet, RTB to 08A and land. The clock
stops with engine shut down in front of my hanger at 08A. An observer will
be at Tallassee and one at 08A. The Split times will be taken at time of
Touch and go and at shut down. Whoever makes it through the course the
fastest wins. The whole thing flown in uncontrolled airspace.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Doc, I think he is talking about... "ho hum" .... throttle to the
firewall how fast will it go? The CJ-6 is a clean airframe with a good
go-fast wing. With the right engine, in a simple straight and level BOY
OH BOY who goes faster competition, I think the CJ-6 might take the 50,
again only if it has a good engine on it. My bone stock YAK-50 will
still do 200 mph straight and level... But that's ALL it will do.
That's 360 HP, not 400. A two bladed paddle prop. Nothing else.
Stock.
Take off run: The 50 wins.
Roll Rate: The 50 wins.
Aerobatic capability: The 50 wins
Climb rate: The 50 wins.
Dog fight: The 50 wins, unless the pilot is really freaking lame.
G Limitations: The 50 wins.
Vne: The 50 wins. In a dive, the wings would come off the CJ
before the 50 reached never exceed speed. :-) (That's a smile folks)
Straight line go fast, nothing else... I think the CJ might just get the
50, but not by much if it did. Bone stock, firewalled, I do 174 knots.
The CJ is faster than that right? Very well could be. Now pull it into
anything other than straight and level and it becomes a dead meat
target.
And it carries two people. Cool.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Fights On. You coming to the Maxwell Thunder over the River air show
this weekend? The 52 is on display so the 50 will be free for a little 1
V 1.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
So not turn and roll rate, that's true. And I'm quite sure not less
take off roll or more climb rate. Or maybe more inverted capability,
max G or maybe not even top speed. How do you have Doc's -50 beat?
Carrying more than one person?
Just curious, my -50 wants to know too.
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur
'50 any day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate...
otherwise, I think I've got you beat!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52:18 PM GMT -06:00 Central
America
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Yeah, a bunch of Gull wing CJ's swallowing around the
pylons...now 50's g'ing it up would be another thing! But of course
being a Viper kinda man a refurbished A model in the Unlimited category
would be way to cool!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:53 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air
Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to
see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight
Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and
the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno
Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be
something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real
Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could
one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't
put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that
advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
<cpayne@joimail.com>
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ.
So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many
have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom
hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that
Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout!
Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the
US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012
ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in
order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your
money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or
Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | More Big Blowout |
Selma in July, August or Sept.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: More Big Blowout
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Man, that was the best answer YET John!
Mark
P.s. Craig... Apples to Apples is a CJ to a CJ ... And a YAK to a YAK.
I think you have opened things up beyond that correct? ??
P.p.s. Reno: Wait a minute... It's not even worth asking? And you now
only want to put $100 into the pot? Man, I just spent $500 on brake
parts for my UTVA-66. Speed costs money and speed is not cheap. I have
no dog in this fight, but if I did, if I thought I had something worth
bringing, I'd put 2 grand in the pot without blinking an eye. Seriously,
at the very minimum $1000. Damn, I burn that much fuel in a MONTH.
Craig... Come on now.
P.p.p.s. I've got another bad idea. Let's start a side-bet ... Who's
going to be the bookie?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Big Blowout
Craig,
Thanks for clearing that up.
Now I will have the engineer stop crunching numbers to mount a
J85-GE-21B under my Yak-52.
It would have been interesting when I kicked in the Afterburner!
Laterrrrrr
John Fischer
At 01:30 PM 3/25/2010, you wrote:
>
>OK, sorry to ruffle the down feathers on my Yakkista friends. I really
>don't want to see a get together without them. Just a race and
>subsequent "debrief" would be a waste of expensive Avgas without
>ancillary activities. Activities like All Red Star has...but such event
>seems more like "All Left Coast Red Star".
>
>Perhaps something more centralized at a time and place where severe
>weather is not the expected forecast. Any suggestions?
>
>As far a pure speed goes, if all I wanted in an airplane was speed, I
>could build another Cassutt with a big motor. Point is, CJ's (and
>Yaks) are fun airplanes and a little competition sweetens the fun.
>Just flying formation gets old after a while.
>
>No I'm not interested in big bets, $100 each in the pot is plenty.
>I'll probably end up spending $600 in gas just to get there and back. I
>Expect to get beat so Pappy, save your money for beer and Avgas. But,
>how you put a price on Bragging Rights and Glory??
>
>No way would Reno want us, CJ's/Yaks are too slow, too small and
>especially too quiet to be crowd pleasers, even on the short course.
>
>One other point...Doug, I'm talking about the CJ-6, not a pumped up -5.
>Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges.
>
>Craig Payne
>
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Roger
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
My stock 50 does 200 mph. I believe that if I put a serious engine on
it, like say about 430 HP or so, and had a prop specifically built for
speed, then stripped the darn thing down even more, I might just get 220
mph out of the thing. That's darn close to T-6 speed. The "stock" T-6
speed is 200 mph. The stock YAK-50 speed is: 200 mph. I am not talking
about 52's. I am not talking about CJ's. I'm talking about a YAK-50.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I have done a little dog-fighting with a T-6 down in Florida.
It's a wonderful beautiful heavy airframe with a big 600 HP engine. I
want one! However, the 50 tears it a new rear end in 1 v 1. Period.
Not even close.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD VOLKER
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Probably slower than the T6 class. Can you see a Yak 52 or CJ that is as
stock as the winning Gold or silver T6 getting to their speeds? 230mph?
What a fun class to watch though!
Rick Volker
On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:52 PM, jetj01@aol.com wrote:
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air
Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to
see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight
Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and
the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno
Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be
something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real
Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could
one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't
put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that
advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
<cpayne@joimail.com>
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ.
So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many
have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom
hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that
Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout!
Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the
US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012
ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in
order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your
money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or
Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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That's Wide F****** Open. On my current engine I have run it at full rated power
(but NOT over) for over 20 minutes at a time. However I did not just jump into
this. The Sukhoi guys do this all the time but I don't. There are ways to prep
for this kind of operation:
1st: Set valve clearance to the outside limit (about .016"). Make sure that each
of the 4 cams on the Int/Exh reads nearly the same. Do this by recording the
difference on any given cylinder by pulling through at least 4 TDC and checking
clearance. Average the difference for a setting.
Next: "tweek" the governor and prop to achieve no more than 2900 rpm at WFO (M-14P)
in level flight. I set the prop blade angle to as much as the governor will
allow about at 2985 RPM. I use a digital tach for accuracy.
Don't forget that prop unbalance stresses the engine unnecessarily. Do static and
dynamic balance first.
Next: Change oil before test runs and include a generous amount of MMO. I use it
in BOTH fuel and oil during test runs.
Also: Whilst testing at 80%, "tweek" the oil cooler outlet opening for the sweet
spot where oil temps minimize and speed maximizes. Hint: it isn't wide open
nor almost closed. Same goes for the shutters.
Of course, be sure that plugs are clean, torqued, mags timed to upper end of advance
limits. Extended runs 80% power is a safe way to clean out the carbon before
WFO runs.
Don't forget to use 93 octane Mogas, W/O ethanol if possible.
I'm not concentrating on the airspeed or GPS speed when running, I'm scanning those
temps, first sign of trouble of hickup and it's KIO with a pull towards the
Blue. If something doesn't feel right, back it off.
Craig Payne
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Copy Saberwe can do that. Lets get past the MXF Air show. U
coming up?
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jblake207@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur '50 any
day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate... otherwise, I
think I've got you beat!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52:18 PM GMT -06:00 Central America
Subject: RE: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Yeah, a bunch of Gull wing CJ=99s swallowing around the
pylonsnow 50=99s g=99ing it up would be another
thing! But of course being a Viper kinda man a refurbished A model in
the Unlimited category would be way to cool!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
"If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see."
How cool would that be!!!
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and the willingness to
spend it.
If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air Racing
folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real Speedos during
sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could one call that a
gauntlet?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't put lipstick on a
pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that advice.
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ. So, who has the
Top CJ?
El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many have well over
100HP
over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom hoods, etc, etc.
Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that Show, and some
that Show &
GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout! Mano 'y Mano. A
really
big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the US and Canada.
If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012 ends. A purse you
say?
Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in order. Sponsors?
Perhaps.
Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your money for old
age or buy
a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or Buzz with Buzzards?
(sorry
Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
Inquiring Minds want to know.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: More Big Blowout |
Throw some SU26 and 29's in to be fair!
Rick Volker
------Original Message------
From: William Halverson
Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Big Blowout
Sent: Mar 26, 2010 5:10 PM
What about handicap racing? CJs, 50s, 52s, and 55s?
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E [mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil]
+Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:33 AM
+To: yak-list@matronics.com
+Subject: RE: Yak-List: More Big Blowout
+
+
+Man, that was the best answer YET John!
+
+Mark
+
+P.s. Craig... Apples to Apples is a CJ to a CJ ... And a YAK to a YAK.
+I think you have opened things up beyond that correct? ??
+
+P.p.s. Reno: Wait a minute... It's not even worth asking? And you now
+only want to put $100 into the pot? Man, I just spent $500 on brake
+parts for my UTVA-66. Speed costs money and speed is not cheap. I have
+no dog in this fight, but if I did, if I thought I had something worth
+bringing, I'd put 2 grand in the pot without blinking an eye. Seriously,
+at the very minimum $1000. Damn, I burn that much fuel in a MONTH.
+Craig... Come on now.
+
+P.p.p.s. I've got another bad idea. Let's start a side-bet ... Who's
+going to be the bookie?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Who cares...I'll wait for the picture to be posted
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Who cares...I'll wait for the picture to be posted
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
Mark,
Last year's #1 Qualifier at Reno, T-6 class was Six-Cat @ 239.350
Miles and hour.
http://www.airrace.org/raceResultsQueryDisplay.php
So it would be interesting to see a CJ-6/Yak category racing at Reno.
It would definitely be cheaper to run an unlimited CJ-6/Yak then P-51/Sea Fury.
It could end up being the new Formula or Biplane class for the average pilot.
Although if anyone has a spare Sea Fury sitting around, I have an
extra R-4360 (rebuilt) looking for a home.
Think we can fit it on my Yak-52?
See You at Reno
John Fischer
California City, CA
At 10:40 AM 3/26/2010, you wrote:
>Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>My stock 50 does 200 mph. I believe that if I put a serious engine on
>it, like say about 430 HP or so, and had a prop specifically built for
>speed, then stripped the darn thing down even more, I might just get 220
>mph out of the thing. That's darn close to T-6 speed. The "stock" T-6
>speed is 200 mph. The stock YAK-50 speed is: 200 mph. I am not talking
>about 52's. I am not talking about CJ's. I'm talking about a YAK-50.
>
>Mark Bitterlich
>
>P.s. I have done a little dog-fighting with a T-6 down in Florida.
>It's a wonderful beautiful heavy airframe with a big 600 HP engine. I
>want one! However, the 50 tears it a new rear end in 1 v 1. Period.
>Not even close.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD VOLKER
>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:01 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
>
>Probably slower than the T6 class. Can you see a Yak 52 or CJ that is as
>stock as the winning Gold or silver T6 getting to their speeds? 230mph?
>What a fun class to watch though!
>Rick Volker
>
>On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:52 PM, jetj01@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> "If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno Air
>Racing
> folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be something to
>see."
>
>
> How cool would that be!!!
>
> Jj
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2010 11:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight
>Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
>
>Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Speed is nothing more than large amounts of money and
>the willingness to
> spend it.
>
> If you REALLY want to be cool about it, talk to the Reno
>Air Racing
> folks about opening a new class. Now THAT would be
>something to see.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>Of
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:50 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
>
> Careful guys, Old "Payne in the A##" has beat some real
>Speedos during
> sanctioned races. I'll put a hundred on a CJ-6. Could
>one call that a
> gauntlet?
> Pappy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55 pm
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Time has come..
>
>
> A wise old air force pilot once told me; "Son, don't
>put lipstick on a
> pig. If you want fast buy fast." I'm sticking with that
>advice.
>
> TGB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm
> Subject: Yak-List: The Time has come..
>
>
><cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>
> No more talk! I'm tired of hearing who has the best CJ.
>So, who has the
> Top CJ?
>
>
> El Numero Uno, the Big Tuna, King Kong? Changzilla? Many
>have well over
> 100HP
>
>
> over stock, Really Big Props, side exhaust, Malcom
>hoods, etc, etc.
>
>
> Top CJ-6? Obviously we have those that GO, those that
>Show, and some
> that Show &
>
>
> GO. There is only one way to sort this out...a shootout!
>Mano 'y Mano. A
> really
>
>
> big one. Problem is that we are scattered all over the
>US and Canada.
>
>
> If not this year, maybe next, certainly before 2012
>ends. A purse you
> say?
>
>
> Certainly, some entry fee to sweeten the pot is in
>order. Sponsors?
> Perhaps.
>
>
> Under 175KTAS in level flight need not apply, save your
>money for old
> age or buy
>
>
> a Yak. What say ye Men of Honor? Soar with Eagles or
>Buzz with Buzzards?
> (sorry
>
>
> Yakistas, I still love y'all like step-children)
>
>
> Inquiring Minds want to know.
>
>
> Craig Payne
>
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| Subject: | Re: Top Dog race |
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this sweet earth.
The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlic
h@navy.mil>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
ALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow. For some
eason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the same. Did
ou actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jpilot710@aol.com
ent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:46 AM
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting cold hard
reen backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he realizes
ow wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
uys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260 hp
ousi 6 in the airplane.
uys! the gauntlet is laying there!
appy
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rom: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
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ent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
ubject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
Aussies).
suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
urn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
ircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the
PA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk
oing to the RPA.
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Yak Attack fly-in 1-May-2010 (White Waltham, UK)
Anybody going to this?
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
Mark,
Talking acm....the 50 takes the CJ according to you. Ok, I'll give you thrust to
weight , but what is your wing loading? Just curious, cause I can stomp on a
52 all day long with a stock 285 CJ.
Hey, I'll be in Cherry pit for the airshow...pick your wingman. I'll take you and
another 50 against me and an another CJ...
You in?
S/F
Wizard
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Against two CJs...ACM? Mark, you don't NEED a wingman! However wish I
could be there! Doc, this is your neck of the woods!
To compare from my experience, it would be like ACM with F-16 or F-15 Vs.
Tornado or F-111. With same Vs. Same pilot skills, NO CHANCE!
Really!
Jj
In a message dated 3/26/2010 11:57:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
keith.mckinley@townisp.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "keithmckinley"
<keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
Mark,
Talking acm....the 50 takes the CJ according to you. Ok, I'll give you
thrust to weight , but what is your wing loading? Just curious, cause I can
stomp on a 52 all day long with a stock 285 CJ.
Hey, I'll be in Cherry pit for the airshow...pick your wingman. I'll take
you and another 50 against me and an another CJ...
You in?
S/F
Wizard
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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Do you have a contact or any info on the Corsair? I've got one like it
in
the design stage and would love to talk to them.
Regards,
Greg Young
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
If we are going to do that then lets add the =BE scale F4U Corsair with
the
M-14 in the nose?
It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We=92ll see.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
DOH!!!!
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote:
Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d
hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes
how
wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260=
hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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gt; Yak-List message posted by: "Russ" <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies)
.
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the
RPA
store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going
to
the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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