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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Aluminum Tubing (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Aluminum Tubing (Noplugs)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: Top Dog race (Roger Kemp M.D.)
4. 07:50 AM - Top Dog race (Richard Goode)
5. 10:47 AM - Re: Aluminum Tubing (Walter Lannon)
6. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 11:53 AM - Re: Top Dog race (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
9. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (dabear)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: Top Dog race (rick@rvairshows.com)
11. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
12. 03:06 PM - Re: Top Dog race (Roger Kemp M.D.)
13. 04:28 PM - Re: Top Dog race (rick@rvairshows.com)
14. 07:38 PM - Re: Really Big Blowout (Jim Griffin)
15. 09:09 PM - Re: Top Dog race (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
You can also use 1/4" aluminum tubing with AN4 sleeves
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an819.php and the original
Chinese flare nuts. You may have some difficulty getting the Chinese
sleeves off the ends of the old tubing.
Dennis
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From: Kelley Monroe
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Aluminum Tubing
I am replacing air lines in my CJ and I need a source to buy bulk 6mm
tubing from. Thanks Kelley Monroe
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
Why dont you just convert to #4 AN tubing. (6mm=.236) and (.25=6.35mm). So #4 tubing
is a little larger (.014), and the flare is the same angle (real close).
You will need to use the AN collars with the AN tube, then drill out the Metric
B-nut to accept the AN collar. Now if all things are equal you would be opening
the B-nut .014 in diameter. Not enough material to change the strength of
the B-nut.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292186#292186
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Roger, It does. Thanks for reminding me.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
It also compresses the gear strut so that it fits in the wing.
Bear
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Yeah, the thing uses a jack screw to rotate the gear when retracted or
extending.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
There is a guyin the DC area who is building/designing an 80% scale
F4U.
He actually reverse engineered the landing gear including the
contraction
and rotation. he spoke at our local EAA meeting. Nice job from what
I've
seen.
Bear
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
I do and will give it to you off list. I just took a bunch of pictures
of a
Goodyear F4U at the Maxwell Air Show today. Have to down load them
still.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Do you have a contact or any info on the Corsair? I've got one like it
in
the design stage and would love to talk to them.
Regards,
Greg Young
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
If we are going to do that then lets add the =BE scale F4U Corsair with
the
M-14 in the nose?
It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We=92ll see.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
DOH!!!!
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote:
Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d
hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes
how
wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260=
hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies)
.
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the
RPA
store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going
to
the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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For the sake of future historical accuracy, there is no such thing has R.
The series began with the Yak-18 with a 5-cylinder engine; which went to the
18U, a nose-wheel version; to the 18A (on which the CJ6 was based), which
had a 260hp 9-cylinder.
The first pure aerobatic aircraft was the Yak-18P, which was a lightened A,
with the pilot sitting where the front seat would be.
This was followed by the 18PM where the cockpit (again a single seater was
where the rear cockpit would be in the 2-sseater, and a 300-hp engine.
Still nose-wheel.
Finally (and the one that competed in the 1970's until the Yak-50 was the
18PS, which was visually almost identical to a 50, but with longer wing
span.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
(Dictated by Richard Goode, but sent in his absence).
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
<http://www.russianaeros.com> www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
Converting to 1/4" tubing is quite workable but there are a few things one should
know.
You do not want to use "aluminum" tube. The Chinese tubing is a high quaility
alloy very similar (or likely identical) to AMS 5052. It has a wall thickness
of 1 mm (.040").
The replacement must be at least equal in strength which is a function of material
specs., diameter and wall thickness.
The replacement must therefore be AMS 5052, 1/4" X .049".
The generally available 5052 tube is 1/4 X .035. which due to larger dia. and thinner
wall does meet the strength requirement.
The heavier wall is available a slightly higher cost.
Do not even consider using the much cheaper aluminum tubing availabe in coil form.
This is,at best, 3000 series and has a strength somewhat better than cheddar
cheese.
Do yourself a big favour and buy a Parker aviation flaring tool.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aluminum Tubing
You can also use 1/4" aluminum tubing with AN4 sleeves http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an819.php and the original Chinese flare nuts. You may have some difficulty getting the Chinese sleeves off the ends of the old tubing.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelley Monroe
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Aluminum Tubing
I am replacing air lines in my CJ and I need a source to buy bulk 6mm tubing
from. Thanks Kelley Monroe
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
Wizard,
Let me ask you a question. Which is a better test of man and aircraft?
1 v 1 or 2 v 2 ?? You tell me.
Second, there are no other YAK-50's around unless Doc wants to come. My
50 is bone stock. I assume your CJ is as well.
Third, I am an old tired fat piece of crap and probably no where near
the ACM pilot you are. My ACM ability just sucks.
That said: When and where Masked Man? My recommendation would be the
New Bern Airport Aerobatic Box. We need to get together and have a few
briefs and practice flights to give each other confidence we won't kill
each other in the process.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
--> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
Mark,
Talking acm....the 50 takes the CJ according to you. Ok, I'll give you
thrust to weight , but what is your wing loading? Just curious, cause I
can stomp on a 52 all day long with a stock 285 CJ.
Hey, I'll be in Cherry pit for the airshow...pick your wingman. I'll
take you and another 50 against me and an another CJ...
You in?
S/F
Wizard
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
Wizard Man,
Let me tell ya straight up, I was not trying to talk trash to anyone.
Just not USUALLY my style. I also don't lie, so I have to admit there
have been times when I have gotten angry on the YAK List and have said
some things I wish I had not. Just poor style on my part. This is NOT
one of those times! :-) For the most part, I have dropped off this
list simply because there really has not been anything I can offer for
quite awhile.
So ok.....
Concur on your plan if that is what you want. But.... Let me be
perfectly candid. My "skill sets" are not up for 2v2 with 3 other guys
I have never flown with before. Call me an old fat guy with no
testosterone if you want, (because that is more true than false anyway),
but I am so far out of practice for that kind of fight that my
involvement would be hazardous to all involved.
1 v 1, that we can do.
Speaking of cheating..... I was thinking of asking Sergei Boriak if he
is interested in spending the weekend with me.... :-)
Regardless of any "who is better" fun flights, please let's get together
and spend some time telling lies.
Doc, are you coming here?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
--> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
Ah yes...all kidding, chain pulling, and trash talking aside...
Mark and Doc if you guys are around it would be great fun. I suppose we
could start off with some canned setups, some 1 V 1 and if we are all
comfy with safety and skill sets, 2 V 2. Never get to see the 50 in a 1
V 1 and a 2 V 2 would be awesome.....
And yes of course the CJ is outmatched by the 50.....
You can let me know off line if you like...
Keith
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
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onics.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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Sounds like it going to be fun at the MCAS Cherry Point Airshow...
Wizard,
2's In!!!!!
Bear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Wizard Man,
>
> Let me tell ya straight up, I was not trying to talk trash to anyone.
> Just not USUALLY my style. I also don't lie, so I have to admit there
> have been times when I have gotten angry on the YAK List and have said
> some things I wish I had not. Just poor style on my part. This is NOT
> one of those times! :-) For the most part, I have dropped off this
> list simply because there really has not been anything I can offer for
> quite awhile.
>
> So ok.....
>
> Concur on your plan if that is what you want. But.... Let me be
> perfectly candid. My "skill sets" are not up for 2v2 with 3 other guys
> I have never flown with before. Call me an old fat guy with no
> testosterone if you want, (because that is more true than false anyway),
> but I am so far out of practice for that kind of fight that my
> involvement would be hazardous to all involved.
>
> 1 v 1, that we can do.
>
> Speaking of cheating..... I was thinking of asking Sergei Boriak if he
> is interested in spending the weekend with me.... :-)
>
> Regardless of any "who is better" fun flights, please let's get together
> and spend some time telling lies.
>
> Doc, are you coming here?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
>
> --> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
>
> Ah yes...all kidding, chain pulling, and trash talking aside...
>
> Mark and Doc if you guys are around it would be great fun. I suppose we
> could start off with some canned setups, some 1 V 1 and if we are all
> comfy with safety and skill sets, 2 V 2. Never get to see the 50 in a 1
> V 1 and a 2 V 2 would be awesome.....
>
> And yes of course the CJ is outmatched by the 50.....
>
> You can let me know off line if you like...
>
> Keith
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> KFIT
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292009#292009
>
>
>
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Hmmm. My SU26 cruises with 82% rpm and max manifold pressure at 186 mph corrected
for standard conditions at sea level. Max power 99%rpm gives 205mph in same
conditions.
It is stock with the slowest 260cm air show prop. I was faster by 5mph with 250cm.
Blades
Rick Volker
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
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From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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>
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
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Depends on the dates and the weather. I have two annuals to do between now
and 1 May when I have Open house to sit static for at the 117th in
Birmingham.
8-9 May I'm at the Tuscaloosa Air Show. Apparently the Univ. of Ala has more
money than brains since they have asked for my YAK to be there.
15 May is Auburn Air Show for which I've commited to it also. After that, I
have Drill and a Hurricane Exercise 15-23 May (I on standby call for that-
probably will play near the middle to end of the week) and then there is
Memorial Day the 29-31st. So the next two months are pretty well hammered.
For the 3 of us, N.C. is probably a nice split as for distances traveled.
I need one of those A-1 centerline tanks. Talk about legs with that! Hell,
would have to devote the back one third to the relief tube or just vent it
over board one because with that tank's volume I will not have to land for a
couple of days! Imagine the cities you could say you pissed on with the
vented relief tube and that centerline tank!
Purple Haze...err...Yellow haze....Yellow Haze...
Doc
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Wizard Man,
Let me tell ya straight up, I was not trying to talk trash to anyone.
Just not USUALLY my style. I also don't lie, so I have to admit there
have been times when I have gotten angry on the YAK List and have said
some things I wish I had not. Just poor style on my part. This is NOT
one of those times! :-) For the most part, I have dropped off this
list simply because there really has not been anything I can offer for
quite awhile.
So ok.....
Concur on your plan if that is what you want. But.... Let me be
perfectly candid. My "skill sets" are not up for 2v2 with 3 other guys
I have never flown with before. Call me an old fat guy with no
testosterone if you want, (because that is more true than false anyway),
but I am so far out of practice for that kind of fight that my
involvement would be hazardous to all involved.
1 v 1, that we can do.
Speaking of cheating..... I was thinking of asking Sergei Boriak if he
is interested in spending the weekend with me.... :-)
Regardless of any "who is better" fun flights, please let's get together
and spend some time telling lies.
Doc, are you coming here?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
--> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
Ah yes...all kidding, chain pulling, and trash talking aside...
Mark and Doc if you guys are around it would be great fun. I suppose we
could start off with some canned setups, some 1 V 1 and if we are all
comfy with safety and skill sets, 2 V 2. Never get to see the 50 in a 1
V 1 and a 2 V 2 would be awesome.....
And yes of course the CJ is outmatched by the 50.....
You can let me know off line if you like...
Keith
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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Yes as my 50 but with those pea size fuel tanks cross country is like a
freeking frog hopping across the shoreline.
Doc
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Hmmm. My SU26 cruises with 82% rpm and max manifold pressure at 186 mph
corrected for standard conditions at sea level. Max power 99%rpm gives
205mph in same conditions.
It is stock with the slowest 260cm air show prop. I was faster by 5mph with
250cm. Blades
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
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Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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I lose three mph with my 35 gallon belly tank but then limited to 5g. But then,
I might be tempted to defect.
Rick Volker
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Yes as my 50 but with those pea size fuel tanks cross country is like a
freeking frog hopping across the shoreline.
Doc
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Hmmm. My SU26 cruises with 82% rpm and max manifold pressure at 186 mph
corrected for standard conditions at sea level. Max power 99%rpm gives
205mph in same conditions.
It is stock with the slowest 260cm air show prop. I was faster by 5mph with
250cm. Blades
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
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CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
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From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
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>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
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Jim Griffin has Steve Culp's old plane. Your right, it is fast.
Jim Griffin
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From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Really Big Blowout
I all reality guys I am not going to run the guts out of my motor for
less than 5K per race. This is the way I have it figured--- the first
guy to win will have a automatic opportunity to do it again because the
loser will have many ego saving excuses to go do it again, and as we all
know and have seen ego overrules good fiscal responsibility every time.
So after winning twice a fella can afford to have his motor overhauled
(well almost). So you'd better come to grips with the fact that
bragging rights are not worth squat, I fully agree with Pappy and would
only add that just knowing that a portion of the 50 crisp C notes in my
greasy palm actually came from you would be priceless.
The CJ you refer to was Steve Culp's, who for a time offered to run
anyone title for title, but could find no takers. Don't know where it
ended up after he sold it.
Best,
Doug
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
Everyone racing puts Money in the pot, winner takes all. I'm talking
about the CJ-6 (or Yak-52) airframe. Assuming that some yahoo hasn't
hung something besides a Huosai or M-14 variant engine, all mods
allowed. Malcom hoods OK, RV-8 canopies OK, really BIG spinners OK,
Massive, awe-inspiring props OK. Bright Chrome side exhausts OK. JATO
bottles - bad sportsmanship.
Many years ago, there was a Huosai engined CJ that was really fast.
It was stripped to the shell, nothing in the back hole but seat and
stick, 300 lbs less than mine. Haven't seen it since.
Over the course of several timed races and test runs, I discovered
that a CJ-6 needs quite a while to get that last 10 kts. Perhaps it's
de-carbonizing but I believe that a 15-20 mile course would work.
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What does that give you for total usable fuel with the 35 gal centerline
tank? With the internal Aux tank, I have 33 gal.
Doc
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
I lose three mph with my 35 gallon belly tank but then limited to 5g. But
then, I might be tempted to defect.
Rick Volker
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Yes as my 50 but with those pea size fuel tanks cross country is like a
freeking frog hopping across the shoreline.
Doc
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Hmmm. My SU26 cruises with 82% rpm and max manifold pressure at 186 mph
corrected for standard conditions at sea level. Max power 99%rpm gives
205mph in same conditions.
It is stock with the slowest 260cm air show prop. I was faster by 5mph with
250cm. Blades
Rick Volker
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
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