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4. 09:08 AM - Re: Aluminum Tubing (Noplugs)
5. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Tubing (Gill Gutierrez)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: Top Dog race (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Aluminum Tubing (Noplugs)
9. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: The Time has come.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Tubing (Gill Gutierrez)
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52 gallons usable.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
What does that give you for total usable fuel with the 35 gal centerline
tank? With the internal Aux tank, I have 33 gal.
Doc
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rick@rvairshows.com
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
I lose three mph with my 35 gallon belly tank but then limited to 5g. But
then, I might be tempted to defect.
Rick Volker
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Yes as my 50 but with those pea size fuel tanks cross country is like a
freeking frog hopping across the shoreline.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
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rick@rvairshows.com
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Hmmm. My SU26 cruises with 82% rpm and max manifold pressure at 186 mph
corrected for standard conditions at sea level. Max power 99%rpm gives
205mph in same conditions.
It is stock with the slowest 260cm air show prop. I was faster by 5mph with
250cm. Blades
Rick Volker
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
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I think that the first Yak 50's only left the former communist blok in the
eighties. It was Richard Goode who managed to buy the first Yak 50's from
East Germany.
(Richard, if you read this, is this correct?).
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: maandag 29 maart 2010 8:32
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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onics.com>
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
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Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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>
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus
get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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Looking for a spare helmet with general aviation comm.
John Martins
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 3:59 am
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
I think that the first Yak 50's only left the former communist blok in the
ighties. It was Richard Goode who managed to buy the first Yak 50's from
ast Germany.
Richard, if you read this, is this correct?).
Jan
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
G
IV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
ent: maandag 29 maart 2010 8:32
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
ALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
n it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
ountry that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
ver 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
ome can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
imply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
J-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
ould someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
tock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
ifferent category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
et $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
evis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
peed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
hat said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
han any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
----Original Message-----
rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jpilot710@aol.com
ent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
r Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
elieve I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
4. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
ersonally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
ave been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
he Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
e all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
bout straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
ompete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
ould be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
appy
----Original Message-----
rom: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
ubject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
eally? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
angar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
f equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
s 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
92 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
hat's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
urious.
ark
.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
98 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
9%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
hen. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
ph.
-- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
weet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
f the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
herry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
or some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
ame. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
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nics.com>
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
old hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
ealizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
60 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
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From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net
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To: yak-list@matronics.com
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Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
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Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
f turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
han one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
hrough the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
hunk
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
Here is a site that has some good information on 5052 tubing
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/tube_strength.html
"A 1/4 inch (0.025) aluminum tubing can hold 3,500 psi of pressure. The same aluminum
tubing, but in 1/2 inch can only hold 1,800 psi. If we made a business
jet pressurized fuselage out of the same tubing, it could only handle 182 psi."
I was a hydraulic tech in the AF for 20years and 5052 tubing was good for pressures
under 1500psi and we all know we see about half of that pressure. Now if
you use 6061 hard tubing you can go to 3000psi
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
Check your calcs on jet fuselage.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noplugs
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aluminum Tubing
Here is a site that has some good information on 5052 tubing
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/tube_strength.html
"A 1/4 inch (0.025) aluminum tubing can hold 3,500 psi of pressure. The same
aluminum tubing, but in 1/2 inch can only hold 1,800 psi. If we made a
business jet pressurized fuselage out of the same tubing, it could only
handle 182 psi."
I was a hydraulic tech in the AF for 20years and 5052 tubing was good for
pressures under 1500psi and we all know we see about half of that pressure.
Now if you use 6061 hard tubing you can go to 3000psi
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
No Bear, "2's" just watching with a video camera.
Mark
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
Sounds like it going to be fun at the MCAS Cherry Point Airshow...
Wizard,
2's In!!!!!
Bear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Wizard Man,
>
> Let me tell ya straight up, I was not trying to talk trash to anyone.
> Just not USUALLY my style. I also don't lie, so I have to admit there
> have been times when I have gotten angry on the YAK List and have said
> some things I wish I had not. Just poor style on my part. This is
NOT
> one of those times! :-) For the most part, I have dropped off this
> list simply because there really has not been anything I can offer for
> quite awhile.
>
> So ok.....
>
> Concur on your plan if that is what you want. But.... Let me be
> perfectly candid. My "skill sets" are not up for 2v2 with 3 other
guys
> I have never flown with before. Call me an old fat guy with no
> testosterone if you want, (because that is more true than false
anyway),
> but I am so far out of practice for that kind of fight that my
> involvement would be hazardous to all involved.
>
> 1 v 1, that we can do.
>
> Speaking of cheating..... I was thinking of asking Sergei Boriak if he
> is interested in spending the weekend with me.... :-)
>
> Regardless of any "who is better" fun flights, please let's get
together
> and spend some time telling lies.
>
> Doc, are you coming here?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
keithmckinley
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
>
> --> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
>
> Ah yes...all kidding, chain pulling, and trash talking aside...
>
> Mark and Doc if you guys are around it would be great fun. I suppose
we
> could start off with some canned setups, some 1 V 1 and if we are all
> comfy with safety and skill sets, 2 V 2. Never get to see the 50 in a
1
> V 1 and a 2 V 2 would be awesome.....
>
> And yes of course the CJ is outmatched by the 50.....
>
> You can let me know off line if you like...
>
> Keith
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> KFIT
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292009#292009
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There ya go. Hubie's 26 and 29 have BOTH beaten me straight and level.
Still waiting to hear what the CJ-6 does.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rick@rvairshows.com
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Hmmm. My SU26 cruises with 82% rpm and max manifold pressure at 186 mph
corrected for standard conditions at sea level. Max power 99%rpm gives
205mph in same conditions.
It is stock with the slowest 260cm air show prop. I was faster by 5mph
with 250cm. Blades Rick Volker Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that.
Just FYI, my YAK-50 came to the United States in the early 90's as well.
I would have to check the logs to get the exact date. It had 130 hours
on it when I purchased it. No, I do not believe there were any in this
country that early either (70's).
Ok, how fast will your CJ-6 go with a stock engine at full throttle?
Over 200 mph? Not your M-14 model please... The stock version.
You are of course correct. Any airplane can go fast in a dive. And
some can go a lot faster than others. But I believe my comment was
simply that at the YAK-50 Vne speed, the wings would probably come off a
CJ-6. Of course, I could be wrong.
I honestly have no idea how fast a stock CJ-6 is at full throttle.
Would someone please just say what it will do? I've already said my
stock YAK-50 will do 200 mph. So, ... How much faster is the CJ-6?
If we start talking modifications, then we are entering a whole
different category. I know of a few YAK-50's that I would be willing to
bet $2000 on going against any CJ-6 out there, modded or not. Jan
Mevis, is one of them. Tom Johnson is another. These are not built for
speed. They just have really powerful motors and good props. But all
that said... I fully believe that as an AIRFRAME, the CJ-6 is better
than any YAK or Suke out there for the capability to go fast.
Pappy, you have to know the numbers here. What are they?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
CJ were first built in 1962. I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R")
or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?). I
believe I still have a 35mm slide of it. My CJ( a 69) came to the US in
94. It was only in here a month or so when I bought it. I was not
personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time. There may
have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.
The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.
We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive. The race should be
about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM. If you want to
compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock,
would be to me more approbate. The rest is fluff as they say.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Really? When was that? I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my
hangar. You had your stock CJ before then? :-)
If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne)
is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually
292 mph. That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.
What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy? Anywhere near 300 mph? Just
curious.
Mark
p.s. From the same manual: "At an engine power setting of 99% on a
M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is
198 mph. Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over
99%. And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and
then. :-) But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201
mph.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
From: cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM
Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this
sweet earth. The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one. What is the Vne
of the 50?
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52? The 52 is painfully slow.
For some
reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the
same. Did
you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-yak-list-server@matr
onics.com>
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-yak-list-server@matr
onics.com&> ] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:46 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yak-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race
Naaaaaaa. I want to stand there and watch the loser putting
cold hard
green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he
realizes
how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.
Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the
260 hp
Housi 6 in the airplane.
Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <duncan1574@sbcglobal.net
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52 am
Subject: Yak-List: Top Dog race
<http://us.mc507.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duncan1574@sbcglobal.net>
>
Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD'
(Aussies).
I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number
of turns,
turn direction, etc, etc, etc. Races should perhaps have more
than one
aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected
through the
RPA store somehow. Purse net based upon total collected with a
chunk
going to the RPA.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
There not my calculations they are quoted form the site. And as I understood their
idea was if a seamless tube of 5052 could be made to the size of an aircraft
fuselage it could hold that pressure. We all know no riveted fuselage could
even get near 182psi
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| Subject: | Re: The Time has come.. |
When is this event?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
No Bear, "2's" just watching with a video camera.
Mark
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
Sounds like it going to be fun at the MCAS Cherry Point Airshow...
Wizard,
2's In!!!!!
Bear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Wizard Man,
>
> Let me tell ya straight up, I was not trying to talk trash to anyone.
> Just not USUALLY my style. I also don't lie, so I have to admit there
> have been times when I have gotten angry on the YAK List and have said
> some things I wish I had not. Just poor style on my part. This is
NOT
> one of those times! :-) For the most part, I have dropped off this
> list simply because there really has not been anything I can offer for
> quite awhile.
>
> So ok.....
>
> Concur on your plan if that is what you want. But.... Let me be
> perfectly candid. My "skill sets" are not up for 2v2 with 3 other
guys
> I have never flown with before. Call me an old fat guy with no
> testosterone if you want, (because that is more true than false
anyway),
> but I am so far out of practice for that kind of fight that my
> involvement would be hazardous to all involved.
>
> 1 v 1, that we can do.
>
> Speaking of cheating..... I was thinking of asking Sergei Boriak if he
> is interested in spending the weekend with me.... :-)
>
> Regardless of any "who is better" fun flights, please let's get
together
> and spend some time telling lies.
>
> Doc, are you coming here?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
keithmckinley
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: The Time has come..
>
> --> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
>
> Ah yes...all kidding, chain pulling, and trash talking aside...
>
> Mark and Doc if you guys are around it would be great fun. I suppose
we
> could start off with some canned setups, some 1 V 1 and if we are all
> comfy with safety and skill sets, 2 V 2. Never get to see the 50 in a
1
> V 1 and a 2 V 2 would be awesome.....
>
> And yes of course the CJ is outmatched by the 50.....
>
> You can let me know off line if you like...
>
> Keith
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> KFIT
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292009#292009
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tubing |
It's not the rivets but the thickness of the skin that is the problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noplugs
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aluminum Tubing
There not my calculations they are quoted form the site. And as I understood
their idea was if a seamless tube of 5052 could be made to the size of an
aircraft fuselage it could hold that pressure. We all know no riveted
fuselage could even get near 182psi
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292374#292374
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Attack fly-in 1-May-2010 (White Waltham, UK) |
I just put my name down today and I was told they have fifty aircraft expected
to attend. Looks like it should be quite an event.
Let's hope the weather behaves .
:D
--------
It's not a hairy cow.
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| Subject: | Aeroshell W100 or W120 down south |
Hey what are you Floridians using about Sun N Fun time, Aeroshell W100 or
120? Shell says 60 to 86F use 100. 80F plus use 120. What say the exper
ts?
Cheers!
TGB
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroshell W100 or W120 down south |
I use- xc Phillips 25w60 radial engine oil year round . It is clean runni
ng , and I burn about 10%-less oil when running-this oil .=0ATerry=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "vectorwarbirds@aol.co
m" <vectorwarbirds@aol.com>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March
30, 2010 8:24:46 PM=0ASubject: Yak-List: Aeroshell W100 or W120 down south
=0A=0AHey what are you Floridians using about Sun N Fun time, Aeroshell W10
0 or 120? Shell says 60 to 86F use 100.- 80F plus use 120.- What say th
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| Subject: | Sell Nanchang CJ6 aircraft parts |
P/N Des.
1 SBL-40 inverter
2 SBL-53 inverter
3 QDF-1 Compressed air solenoid valve
4 1J-S34-1
5 GZ-14 Tachometer transmitter
6 H2-6121-106 fuel filter cup
8 H2-6904-00 fixing pin
9 H2-6901-320 rubber bushes
10 GWR-1 Resistor temperature sensor
11 H2-3700-00-1 Flap hinge
12 H2-3204-20 Trim hinge
14 H2-9840-100A Air charging hose
15 Airfield power cable
18 H2-5522-00 Emergency air valve
19 H2-4230-40 Front gear uplock
20 H2-4130-50 Main gear uplock
21 H2-9830-400 Air charging tool with manometer
22 GR-8 Thermocouple
1 Ignition coil DH-2
2 Indicator light(White) ZSD-1
3 Indicator light(Red) ZSD-1
4 Indicator light(Green) ZSD-1
5 Indicator light(Yellow) ZSD-1
6 Indicator light(Purple) ZSD-1
7 Tail Light(White) WD-1
8 wing tip nav. Light(Red) HD-3
9 wing tip nav. Light(Green) HD-3
10 Push button AN-1A
11 Push button AN-3A
12 Push button AN-2
13 Gear switch H2-4260-01/03
14 uplock A/C H2-4230-50
16 PRV assembly H2-5502-00
17 valve H2-5522-00
18 gear guard plate( right side) H2-4311-00-1
19 magnetic compass LC-2
20 front wheel hub LW-11
21 brake cable screw H2-5113-05
22 pulley H2-5230-00
23 pulley H2-5407-30
24 pulley H2-5403-20/5
25 emergency air bottle H2-5506-10
26 plug H2-5506-13
27 Nipple H2-5505-31
28 washer H2-5505-32/1
29 reducing valve QS-1
31 deposit filter QL-17
32 air charging connector JT-7A
P/N
1 Prop Cap and nut
2 crush washers for oil sump
4 Air flap valve
5 Prop governor control bracket
6 QS-1 air valve
7 QS-2 air valve
8 spark plugs
9 brake pads
10 brake air bladders
11 Small Light bulbs for exterior
12 Small Light bulbs for interior
13 Air filters for air pump (box)
14 Gill shutter rods
15 Gill shutters
16 Gill shutter complete assembly ring
17 Fuel cover Zeus
18 Copilot lunch box Zeus
19 Wing tip fairings
20 Oil cooler wing faring
21 Air pressure gauge cockpit
P/N Eng Des.
1 12-5522-00 Double action valve
2 H2-5522-00 Emergency valve
3 H2-5503-00 Check Valve
4 H2-5523-00 Hose
5 H2-5524-00 Hose
6 H2-5526-00 Hose
7 H2-5532-00/3 Hose
8 H2-5532-00/5 Hose
9 H2-1030-100 Anti-Dust Cover
10 H2-0109-110 Seat pad
11 H2-7510-90 Seat pad
12 HB2-30B Pin
13 BM5GB62 Nut
14 GB1018-20 Washer
15 H2-9850-900 Oil Table
16 H2-9850-100 Screw Jack
17 H2-9820-200 Screw Jack
18 H2-9810-200 Screw Jack
19 H2-9820-300 Control Lock
20 H2-9820-400 Control Lock
21 H2-9260-10 Cover
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HB1-101-10x20x2.8 2
HB1-404G-M10 5
HB1-104-10x20x2.8 3
H2-3000-02 1
BM8GB54-45 1
HB1-125-5x29.5x2 2
HB1-404G-M4 4
HB1-125-5x41.5x2 2
HB1-125-5x41.5x2 2
HB1-502LB-4x3.5 2
H2-4250-00 1
H2-4150-00 2
H2-4220-00 1
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroshell W100 or W120 down south |
Yea so do I over here in Prescott, AZ. But I have about ten cases of air
show Aeroshell that I want to use up instead of the Phillips which works
best for us during the winter. Plus finding Phillips flying across the
country is harder than Aeroshell.
W100 or 120, yall tell me!
TGB
-----Original Message-----
From: T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroshell W100 or W120 down south
I use xc Phillips 25w60 radial engine oil year round . It is clean runnin
g , and I burn about 10% less oil when running this oil .
Terry
From: "vectorwarbirds@aol.com" <vectorwarbirds@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:24:46 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Aeroshell W100 or W120 down south
Hey what are you Floridians using about Sun N Fun time, Aeroshell W100 or
120? Shell says 60 to 86F use 100. 80F plus use 120. What say the exper
ts?
Cheers!
TGB
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