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1. 03:32 AM - Re: Yak Attack fly-in 1-May-2010 (White Waltham, UK) (Etienne Verhellen)
2. 03:33 AM - Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Bill Lang)
3. 08:50 AM - Re: Sun n Fun, and the Thunderbirds (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
4. 09:54 AM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 10:21 AM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (rick@rvairshows.com)
6. 10:28 AM - All Red Star 2010 Registration Closing (num1pilot@aol.com)
7. 10:42 AM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Roger Kemp M.D.)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Eric Wobschall)
10. 01:30 PM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Gill Gutierrez)
11. 03:44 PM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Bill Lang)
12. 04:12 PM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Bill Lang)
13. 05:57 PM - Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? (Yak Pilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Attack fly-in 1-May-2010 (White Waltham, UK) |
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that has
apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed. It seem
s that there is a sequencing problem ofthe air going into the cylinders. It
turns a few degrees on start=2C and then air appears to blow straight thro
ugh the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards. Would it be poss
ible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic and I would appreci
ate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix. Is there a mark on th
e spider or foolproof way of installing the spider that was overlooked by t
he original mechanics Taa Bill
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun, and the Thunderbirds |
"Perhaps standards have slipped since 1945"
YA THINK ?
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
has to be JUST right.
I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees, SAD
TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with this
thing for days. DAYS!
Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts air into
one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to the lower
cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
engine, just like the ignition distributor on your car, or the mag on
your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net, but it is a real
SOB to adjust.
I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have them
memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
________________________________
Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to blow
straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
that was overlooked by the original mechanics
Taa
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Make sure your shower of sparks unit (booster coil) is working. There may be a
spot that it is arcing inside the left mag cover. There may be a loose wire in
the connection to the mag. The air leak through the exhaust could be a coincidental
weak cylinder . Check this out before spending money.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
has to be JUST right.
I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees, SAD
TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with this
thing for days. DAYS!
Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts air into
one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to the lower
cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
engine, just like the ignition distributor on your car, or the mag on
your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net, but it is a real
SOB to adjust.
I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have them
memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
________________________________
Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to blow
straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
that was overlooked by the original mechanics
Taa
Bill
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Shower of Sparks is needed to start the engine normally. Shower of
sparks is not needed to make the engine spin during starting.
If you think you might have ANY kind if ignition problem versus an air
distributor problem, do this:
Leave your engine master off. Don't touch any starter buttons.
Push down on the manual lever on your air start valve. On a 52 it is
down by your foot. I think it is the left foot, but I own a 50 and not
a 52, so I am going by memory there and might be wrong. Anyway, it's in
the cockpit down by ONE of your feet (smile).
If the engine still does not rotate properly as it should for starting,
you have an air issue.
If it is an air issue, it is PROBABLY the air distributor, but it also
could be a restriction in the air line due to any number of things.
If you want to eliminate THAT possible source of problem, then simply
hook a 700 psi air source to the line going to the air distributor.
Turn it on. If the engine STILL fails to turn properly and you know
your engine has good compression in all cylinders, then you are 99.99%
sure it is an Air Distributor problem. Proceed to adjust it by listed
specifications.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rick@rvairshows.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
Make sure your shower of sparks unit (booster coil) is working. There
may be a spot that it is arcing inside the left mag cover. There may be
a loose wire in the connection to the mag. The air leak through the
exhaust could be a coincidental weak cylinder . Check this out before
spending money.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
has to be JUST right.
I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees, SAD
TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with this
thing for days. DAYS!
Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts air into
one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to the lower
cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
engine, just like the ignition distributor on your car, or the mag on
your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net, but it is a real
SOB to adjust.
I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have them
memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
________________________________
Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to blow
straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
that was overlooked by the original mechanics
Taa
Bill
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
It's by your left foot and you have to reach a ways to get to it in the 52
since it is on the left side of the firewall next to the nose wheel
actuator. Better to someone in the cockpit and someone reaching through the
right front fuselage inspection panel tripping the airstart switch. Some
airstart solenoids were made without the toggle switch on them. The CJ is
that way.
Now if you are in the 50, it is a reach from the cockpit to the airstart
valve on the firewall. But Mark has long legs I hear!
:^))
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Shower of Sparks is needed to start the engine normally. Shower of
sparks is not needed to make the engine spin during starting.
If you think you might have ANY kind if ignition problem versus an air
distributor problem, do this:
Leave your engine master off. Don't touch any starter buttons.
Push down on the manual lever on your air start valve. On a 52 it is
down by your foot. I think it is the left foot, but I own a 50 and not
a 52, so I am going by memory there and might be wrong. Anyway, it's in
the cockpit down by ONE of your feet (smile).
If the engine still does not rotate properly as it should for starting,
you have an air issue.
If it is an air issue, it is PROBABLY the air distributor, but it also
could be a restriction in the air line due to any number of things.
If you want to eliminate THAT possible source of problem, then simply
hook a 700 psi air source to the line going to the air distributor.
Turn it on. If the engine STILL fails to turn properly and you know
your engine has good compression in all cylinders, then you are 99.99%
sure it is an Air Distributor problem. Proceed to adjust it by listed
specifications.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rick@rvairshows.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
Make sure your shower of sparks unit (booster coil) is working. There
may be a spot that it is arcing inside the left mag cover. There may be
a loose wire in the connection to the mag. The air leak through the
exhaust could be a coincidental weak cylinder . Check this out before
spending money.
Rick Volker
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
has to be JUST right.
I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees, SAD
TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with this
thing for days. DAYS!
Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts air into
one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to the lower
cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
engine, just like the ignition distributor on your car, or the mag on
your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net, but it is a real
SOB to adjust.
I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have them
memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
________________________________
Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to blow
straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
that was overlooked by the original mechanics
Taa
Bill
________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Well above your left foot, and a pain in the arse to remove and replace.
On Apr 8, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
> Shower of Sparks is needed to start the engine normally. Shower of
> sparks is not needed to make the engine spin during starting.
>
> If you think you might have ANY kind if ignition problem versus an air
> distributor problem, do this:
>
> Leave your engine master off. Don't touch any starter buttons.
>
> Push down on the manual lever on your air start valve. On a 52 it is
> down by your foot. I think it is the left foot, but I own a 50 and
> not
> a 52, so I am going by memory there and might be wrong. Anyway,
> it's in
> the cockpit down by ONE of your feet (smile).
>
> If the engine still does not rotate properly as it should for
> starting,
> you have an air issue.
>
> If it is an air issue, it is PROBABLY the air distributor, but it also
> could be a restriction in the air line due to any number of things.
>
> If you want to eliminate THAT possible source of problem, then simply
> hook a 700 psi air source to the line going to the air distributor.
> Turn it on. If the engine STILL fails to turn properly and you know
> your engine has good compression in all cylinders, then you are 99.99%
> sure it is an Air Distributor problem. Proceed to adjust it by listed
> specifications.
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rick@rvairshows.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:21 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
> Make sure your shower of sparks unit (booster coil) is working. There
> may be a spot that it is arcing inside the left mag cover. There may
> be
> a loose wire in the connection to the mag. The air leak through the
> exhaust could be a coincidental weak cylinder . Check this out before
> spending money.
> Rick Volker
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:53:38
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
> MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
>
> This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
>
> There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
> has to be JUST right.
>
> I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
> the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
> maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web
> site.
> His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
>
> It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees,
> SAD
> TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with this
> thing for days. DAYS!
>
> Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to
> make
> the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts air
> into
> one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to the lower
> cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
> there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
> engine, just like the ignition distributor on your car, or the mag on
> your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net, but it is a
> real
> SOB to adjust.
>
> I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have
> them
> memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing
> with it
> until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
> perfectly.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52
> that
> has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
> It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
> cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to
> blow
> straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns
> backwards.
> Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My
> mechanic
> and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a
> fix.
> Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the
> spider
> that was overlooked by the original mechanics
>
> Taa
>
> Bill
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Sound like timing of the air-start distributor is slightly off and adding
air too late near the bottom of the power stroke when the exhaust valve
begins to open.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
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Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that has
apparently
had a starter problem since a new engine was installed. It seems that there
is a sequencing problem of
the air going into the cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then
air appears to blow straight
through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards. Would it be
possible to install the starter
spider 180 out? My mechanic and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this
problem and found a fix. Is there
a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider that was
overlooked by the original mechanics
Taa
Bill
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Mark
Thank you
This is what I suspected. The engine is newish=2C and starts first manual p
ull. I don't believe there are any internal engine issues.
The original installers probably rushed the job. I will contact those you m
entioned. Being new at this=2C are you able to fwd off list George and Denn
is's links
Thanks again.
Bill
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> Date: Thu=2C 8 Apr 2010 12:53:38 -0400
> From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
t=2C MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
>
> MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
>
> This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
>
> There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
> has to be JUST right.
>
> I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly=2C I believe he has
> the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
> maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
> His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
>
> It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees=2C SAD
> TO SAY! Without the instructions=2C I have seen people mess with this
> thing for days. DAYS!
>
> Just FYI=2C the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
> the piston move. When it is perfectly set up=2C it not only puts air into
> one cylinder to push the piston down=2C it also sends air to the lower
> cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
> there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
> engine=2C just like the ignition distributor on your car=2C or the mag on
> your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net=2C but it is a real
> SOB to adjust.
>
> I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you=2C or have the
m
> memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
> until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
> perfectly.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Thursday=2C April 08=2C 2010 6:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
> has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
> It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
> cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start=2C and then air appears to blo
w
> straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
> Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
> and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
> Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
> that was overlooked by the original mechanics
>
> Taa
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
Mark
Further to my last.. found the ref on George's web site M14 maint Manual=2C
task card 204. Hope my guy
can do it.
Thanks
Bill
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> Date: Thu=2C 8 Apr 2010 12:53:38 -0400
> From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
t=2C MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
>
> MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
>
> This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
>
> There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
> has to be JUST right.
>
> I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly=2C I believe he has
> the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
> maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
> His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
>
> It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees=2C SAD
> TO SAY! Without the instructions=2C I have seen people mess with this
> thing for days. DAYS!
>
> Just FYI=2C the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
> the piston move. When it is perfectly set up=2C it not only puts air into
> one cylinder to push the piston down=2C it also sends air to the lower
> cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
> there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
> engine=2C just like the ignition distributor on your car=2C or the mag on
> your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net=2C but it is a real
> SOB to adjust.
>
> I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you=2C or have the
m
> memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
> until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
> perfectly.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Thursday=2C April 08=2C 2010 6:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
> has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
> It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
> cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start=2C and then air appears to blo
w
> straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
> Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
> and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
> Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
> that was overlooked by the original mechanics
>
> Taa
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Looking for a hot date? View photos of singles in your area!
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Starter Sequence? |
GOOD FOR YOU!-- Good job in finding the proper task cards!-
-
Let me run my mouth one last time.- First, adjusting this thing-is a re
al pain in the ass.- It is hard to get to the nuts and stuff to remove it
, it requires you to get the engine set up perfectly, and then insert the t
hing back in-and tighten it down.- I have been involved in adjusting it
twice, and it was a real ass kicker.-
-
Next... make darn sure... let me correct that: MAKE DAMN SURE that you know
this is the problem before you remove it from the engine and start trying
to re-adjust it.- Once you remove it, you have no choice but to finish th
e job.-
-
I am not kidding when I tell you that a flow restriction in the air system
will cause the exact same problem that you are reporting.-
-
Yes,- it is most likely that someone messed with this in the past, and ju
st could never get it right again, and this is what you have wrong now.-
(I.E. A misadjusted Air Distributor) The odds are good that this is your pr
oblem, but as a Tech Rep, my mind always considers the alternatives and you
can never rule out ANYTHING unless you verify it as a "known good".- Tha
t said, if your AIR FLOW to this unit is low, it will do the exact same thi
ng you are now reporting.-
-
That said, if I was there, I would take my nitrogen bottle with a good regu
lator and would connect it DIRECTLY to the line going to the air distributo
r and would set it to 730 PSI and would see what happened when I turned it
on.- If the engine does the exact same thing, then you are sure that the
distributor is the problem.- However, if the engine spins right around pe
rfectly, then you can STOP RIGHT THERE and say "BOY OH BOY IT IS NOT THE AI
R DISTRIBUTOR" and you have saved yourself one HUGE amount of work.-
-
Consider this advice carefully.-
-
Best regards,
-
Mark Bitterlich
--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Bill Lang <billlang@live.com.au> wrote:
From: Bill Lang <billlang@live.com.au>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
Mark
Further to my last.. found the ref on George's web site M14 maint Manual, t
ask card 204. Hope my guy
can do it.
-
Thanks-
Bill
-
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:53:38 -0400
> From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
>
> MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
>
> This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
>
> There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
> has to be JUST right.
>
> I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
> the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
> maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
> His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
>
> It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees, SAD
> TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with this
> thing for days. DAYS!
>
> Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to make
> the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts air into
> one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to the lower
> cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil that is in
> there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed PERFECTLY to the
> engine, just like the ignition distributor on your car, or the mag on
> your airplane. Please excuse the language on the net, but it is a real
> SOB to adjust.
>
> I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have them
> memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing with it
> until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand them
> perfectly.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52 that
> has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
> It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
> cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to blow
> straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
> Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My mechanic
> and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found a fix.
> Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the spider
> that was overlooked by the original mechanics
>
> Taa
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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