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1. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: How old is too old? (Greg)
2. 09:23 AM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (N642K)
3. 09:33 AM - Re: How old is too old? (N642K)
4. 09:52 AM - Owners of Yak-18T a/c on the Hungarian register (psb777)
5. 10:24 AM - Cameras (Herb Coussons)
6. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (Mark Davis)
7. 10:53 AM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (Dale)
8. 10:58 AM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (Terry Calloway)
9. 11:10 AM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (David McGirt)
10. 11:51 AM - "dents" (Jerry Painter)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: Owners of Yak-18T a/c on the Hungarian register (Didier BLOUZARD)
12. 02:20 PM - Re: Owners of Yak-18T a/c on the Hungarian register (psb777)
13. 03:38 PM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (Herb Coussons)
14. 06:24 PM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (Yak52w@aol.com)
15. 09:36 PM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (keithmckinley)
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| Subject: | Re: How old is too old? |
I don't know CJ's but those "dents" look like spot welds.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> keithmckinley
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:32 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
>
> --> <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
>
> Those "dents" always look worse with a sweet shiny paint job
> like yours especially when looking down the side like your
> photo. Your plane looks like every other CJ I've ever seen
> including my own.
>
> Keith
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Mark,
I often found that my hud video was of limited usefulness when debriefing ACM.
Now a tail mounted camera would be useful in recreating the dynamics of most
of my engagements! Forward cameras would rarely be of use to me, except when
I fight those trained by the U.S. Air Force (Yes, JJ this means you!!!!)
Fights On,
Mike
8)
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| Subject: | Re: How old is too old? |
My CJ has the same amount if not more. The 737-300s that I fly routinely have
way more. Ever been up close to a B-52? Just after of the trailing edge of the
wing on the fuselage will make you sea sick if you run your hands over it.
http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index.php?/topic/16804-aircraft-fatigue-pictures-searching-for-b-52-pic/
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| Subject: | Owners of Yak-18T a/c on the Hungarian register |
I'm interested in making contact with owners of HA-registered Yak-18T a/c to learn
about their experiences with servicing and regulation. Most 18T's hereabouts
are on the Hungarian register but one or two are Lithuanian and still some
can be found RA registered (but not in the UK).
The Hungarian CAA web site is very poor (or at least the English bits of it are)
and so I find it difficult to work out exactly what the rules are. I make best
guesses and continue best I can but I would rather know. Examples:
In some countries you can carry two children on one seat under one seatbelt if
they are less than a given total weight. Is that true for Hungary? If so, what's
the weight?
Is the -18T a 4 or 5 seater on the HA register?
Is it really true you can't be name-on-register unless you're Hungarian and that
you need a nominee?
How are engine hours recorded? The Russian way (i.e. include 20% of ground time)
or is it flying time only?
Does a Hungarian inspector really need to come see the plane to issue a AWC each
year or can you just post the paperwork?
Is a test flight necessary for the re-issue of a AWC?
Is there absolutely no leeway on the date when the AWC becomes due? In NZ (e.g.)
an engineer can grant an extension without reference to the CAA. What about
Hungary? Similarly for a reposition flight purely for the purpose of maintenance
- do I really need to apply to the HA CAA or can an engineer authorise same?
What are the ICAO - Hungarian rule differences?
Does everyone agree the W&B info is unusable (for a pilot to use before a flight)?
Is it really easier on the Lithuanian register?
Now, I am not interested in the answers to *only* these questions, but I think
it would be interesting to swap knowledge on all of this. Here or elsewhere.
I just need the some 18T owners to come out of the woodwork so as to swap stories
and tips.
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Paul Beardsell
HA-YAB http://beardsell.com/flying/ha-yab
Yak-18T http://beardsell.com/flying/yak18t
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Here are pics of the install
I also have a helmet cam. CONS: it looks where I look so always
changing view. It needs a recording device attached to it like a
camcorder.
PROS: cheap, I bought used for $150. It can be used in different
planes.
I like the look of the vholdr from McGirt. It has the recording device
integrated in.
3 cameras All can be adjusted to different views
A 4th camera is on the front screen just to the left of the wet compass.
Normally aimed to the left wing tip.
Hard drive with input cable on left side. Can be removed and downloaded
on computer.
Multiplex behind pilot. All 4 cameras can be shown on same screen. Or
just 1, or PIP, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Mike,
Recording pipper burns on the back of Jj's neck was also my only need
for a gun camera mount! : )
Mark Davis
N44YK
(Your six is clear)
----- Original Message -----
From: "N642K" <mdecanio@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras
>
> Mark,
>
> I often found that my hud video was of limited usefulness when debriefing
> ACM. Now a tail mounted camera would be useful in recreating the dynamics
> of most of my engagements! Forward cameras would rarely be of use to me,
> except when I fight those trained by the U.S. Air Force (Yes, JJ this
> means you!!!!)
>
> Fights On,
> Mike
> 8)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295852#295852
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Mark, I will give you a JVC pro camera that's about 15 lbs you can mount to your
dash but you will need a 32 in monitor to see whats in front to replace you
windshield.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
I have both Lipstick cameras feeding into mux then tapedeck and the one listed
below that McGirt has. I prefer the one like McGirt with the exception of not
being able to record the audio in from the headsets.
Pumper
On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:34 PM, David McGirt wrote:
> Mark, I have recently started using this little guy.. 1080p , and EXTREMELY
flexible in where you can put it. Have mounted on helmet, on the wings, under
the wings, tail, just using the suction cup mount.. the last test for it was
on the COWL of #3 of Aeroshell during the night show.. it will stay anywhere
you put it..
>
> http://vholdr.com/contourhd/helmetcam
>
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:43 PM
> To: YAK List
> Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
>
> What is everyone using for small video equipment as either a helmet camera
mount or gun camera mount? I'm not looking for anything to make professional
videos with, just something to record formation/extended trail/maybe a little
ACM then analyze under the influence of cold beverages afterward. An audio
input would be nice but not a necessity. Durability, ease of operation in the
cockpit and size/weight are the most important things I'm looking for.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Some pictures of the camera I am using..
http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/021509TWHDCameraPIcs#
<http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/021509TWHDCameraPIcs>
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
I have both Lipstick cameras feeding into mux then tapedeck and the one
listed below that McGirt has. I prefer the one like McGirt with the
exception of not being able to record the audio in from the headsets.
Pumper
On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:34 PM, David McGirt wrote:
Mark, I have recently started using this little guy.. 1080p , and EXTREMELY
flexible in where you can put it. Have mounted on helmet, on the wings,
under the wings, tail, just using the suction cup mount.. the last test for
it was on the COWL of #3 of Aeroshell during the night show.. it will stay
anywhere you put it..
http://vholdr.com/contourhd/helmetcam
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
What is everyone using for small video equipment as either a helmet
camera mount or gun camera mount? I'm not looking for anything to make
professional videos with, just something to record formation/extended
trail/maybe a little ACM then analyze under the influence of cold beverages
afterward. An audio input would be nice but not a necessity. Durability,
ease of operation in the cockpit and size/weight are the most important
things I'm looking for.
Thanks,
Mark Davis
N44YK
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Hi Pete--
What you're seeing is a bit of skin compression caused by riveting at
fuselage frames. Looks pretty typical to me. You've also got rivet dimples
or countersinks at the frames and stringers and spot welds. Most CJ's are
riveted, but some had spot welding like yours. Saves weight and labor but
is prone to intergranular corrosion (see http://en.wikipedia
org/wiki/Intergranular_corrosion) at the welds and shows up as swelling
around the welds, kind of like what you're seeing at the rivet heads, but
much more severe. I've seen a couple of welded CJ's that were pretty ugly..
So, I'd get in there and take a good look and do a little anti-corrosion
proofing. Doesn't look bent to me, but watch out for the aluminum worm.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
www.FlyWBA.com
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| Subject: | Re: Owners of Yak-18T a/c on the Hungarian register |
Paul
We Will discuss this mater in White Waltham this weekend if you are
there.
But it seems to me That the russian register is the easyer.
Let us talk this weekend.
Didier Blouzard
+33 6 2424 3672
Le 27 avr. 2010 18:50, "psb777" <matronics.com@beardsell.com> a
crit :
>
> I'm interested in making contact with owners of HA-registered
> Yak-18T a/c to learn about their experiences with servicing and
> regulation. Most 18T's hereabouts are on the Hungarian register but
> one or two are Lithuanian and still some can be found RA registered
> (but not in the UK).
>
> The Hungarian CAA web site is very poor (or at least the English
> bits of it are) and so I find it difficult to work out exactly what
> the rules are. I make best guesses and continue best I can but I
> would rather know. Examples:
>
> In some countries you can carry two children on one seat under one
> seatbelt if they are less than a given total weight. Is that true
> for Hungary? If so, what's the weight?
>
> Is the -18T a 4 or 5 seater on the HA register?
>
> Is it really true you can't be name-on-register unless you're
> Hungarian and that you need a nominee?
>
> How are engine hours recorded? The Russian way (i.e. include 20% of
> ground time) or is it flying time only?
>
> Does a Hungarian inspector really need to come see the plane to
> issue a AWC each year or can you just post the paperwork?
>
> Is a test flight necessary for the re-issue of a AWC?
>
> Is there absolutely no leeway on the date when the AWC becomes due?
> In NZ (e.g.) an engineer can grant an extension without reference to
> the CAA. What about Hungary? Similarly for a reposition flight
> purely for the purpose of maintenance - do I really need to apply to
> the HA CAA or can an engineer authorise same?
>
> What are the ICAO - Hungarian rule differences?
>
> Does everyone agree the W&B info is unusable (for a pilot to use
> before a flight)?
>
> Is it really easier on the Lithuanian register?
>
> Now, I am not interested in the answers to *only* these questions,
> but I think it would be interesting to swap knowledge on all of
> this. Here or elsewhere. I just need the some 18T owners to come
> out of the woodwork so as to swap stories and tips.
>
> --------
> Paul Beardsell
> HA-YAB http://beardsell.com/flying/ha-yab
> Yak-18T http://beardsell.com/flying/yak18t
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295865#295865
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Owners of Yak-18T a/c on the Hungarian register |
My plane is at White Waltham, it has passed it's annual, it's ready to fly, but
it can't be flown. Why is that? Good question. And that is what has prompted
this topic here. Hope to see you Saturday, if I am not too annoyed to be there.
tigeryak18t wrote:
> Paul
>
> We Will discuss this mater in White Waltham this weekend if you are
> there.
> But it seems to me That the russian register is the easyer.
> Let us talk this weekend.
>
> Didier Blouzard
> +33 6 2424 3672
>
> Le 27 avr. 2010 18:50, "psb777" a
> crit :
>
>
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in making contact with owners of HA-registered
> > Yak-18T a/c to learn about their experiences with servicing and
> > regulation. Most 18T's hereabouts are on the Hungarian register but
> > one or two are Lithuanian and still some can be found RA registered
> > (but not in the UK).
> >
> > The Hungarian CAA web site is very poor (or at least the English
> > bits of it are) and so I find it difficult to work out exactly what
> > the rules are. I make best guesses and continue best I can but I
> > would rather know. Examples:
> >
> > In some countries you can carry two children on one seat under one
> > seatbelt if they are less than a given total weight. Is that true
> > for Hungary? If so, what's the weight?
> >
> > Is the -18T a 4 or 5 seater on the HA register?
> >
> > Is it really true you can't be name-on-register unless you're
> > Hungarian and that you need a nominee?
> >
> > How are engine hours recorded? The Russian way (i.e. include 20% of
> > ground time) or is it flying time only?
> >
> > Does a Hungarian inspector really need to come see the plane to
> > issue a AWC each year or can you just post the paperwork?
> >
> > Is a test flight necessary for the re-issue of a AWC?
> >
> > Is there absolutely no leeway on the date when the AWC becomes due?
> > In NZ (e.g.) an engineer can grant an extension without reference to
> > the CAA. What about Hungary? Similarly for a reposition flight
> > purely for the purpose of maintenance - do I really need to apply to
> > the HA CAA or can an engineer authorise same?
> >
> > What are the ICAO - Hungarian rule differences?
> >
> > Does everyone agree the W&B info is unusable (for a pilot to use
> > before a flight)?
> >
> > Is it really easier on the Lithuanian register?
> >
> > Now, I am not interested in the answers to *only* these questions,
> > but I think it would be interesting to swap knowledge on all of
> > this. Here or elsewhere. I just need the some 18T owners to come
> > out of the woodwork so as to swap stories and tips.
> >
> > --------
> > Paul Beardsell
> > HA-YAB http://beardsell.com/flying/ha-yab
> > Yak-18T http://beardsell.com/flying/yak18t
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295865#295865
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--------
Paul Beardsell
HA-YAB http://beardsell.com/flying/ha-yab
Yak-18T http://beardsell.com/flying/yak18t
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Looks great. Tell me more about the mount - that looks like it is
different than the camera. And it stays put in the windstream? And
with pos / neg G's?
I like it alot. I just would not want to lose it. I don't think I'd
take my GPS mount and put it out there :)
Herb
On Apr 27, 2010, at 1:10 PM, David McGirt wrote:
> Some pictures of the camera I am using..
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/021509TWHDCameraPIcs#
>
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:43 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
>
> I have both Lipstick cameras feeding into mux then tapedeck and the
one listed below that McGirt has. I prefer the one like McGirt with the
exception of not being able to record the audio in from the headsets.
>
> Pumper
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:34 PM, David McGirt wrote:
>
>
> Mark, I have recently started using this little guy.. 1080p , and
EXTREMELY flexible in where you can put it. Have mounted on helmet, on
the wings, under the wings, tail, just using the suction cup mount..
the last test for it was on the COWL of #3 of Aeroshell during the night
show.. it will stay anywhere you put it..
>
> http://vholdr.com/contourhd/helmetcam
>
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:43 PM
> To: YAK List
> Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
>
> What is everyone using for small video equipment as either a
helmet camera mount or gun camera mount? I'm not looking for anything
to make professional videos with, just something to record
formation/extended trail/maybe a little ACM then analyze under the
influence of cold beverages afterward. An audio input would be nice but
not a necessity. Durability, ease of operation in the cockpit and
size/weight are the most important things I'm looking for.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Gents:
I have just installed a 4 camera system from Tim Ennis at
_www.motocam360.com_ (http://www.motocam360.com) system on my Yak 52.
I installed one camera on each of the endplates at the end of each wing and
one slot camera on the hand hold on the tail and one on the top of the
vertical stab. I have experienced some "teething pains" but overall I am
pleased with the initial results.
The system includes a custom built 4" monitor in the cockpit so I can turn
the system on/off or change the primary view while in flight or display all
4 cameras on one split screen.
The system allows me to record all music input formats including xm or ipod
with ATC or intercom conversation too.
The GPS interface gives me lat/lon, speed and altitude as an overlay on the
video.
Check out the website and tell Tim I sent you.
Tim Stevens
In a message dated 4/27/2010 3:58:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
Some pictures of the camera I am using..
_http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/021509TWHDCameraPIcs#_
(http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/021509TWHDCameraPIcs)
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
I have both Lipstick cameras feeding into mux then tapedeck and the one
listed below that McGirt has. I prefer the one like McGirt with the
exception of not being able to record the audio in from the headsets.
Pumper
On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:34 PM, David McGirt wrote:
Mark, I have recently started using this little guy.. 1080p , and
EXTREMELY flexible in where you can put it. Have mounted on helmet, on the wings,
under the wings, tail, just using the suction cup mount.. the last test
for it was on the COWL of #3 of Aeroshell during the night show.. it will
stay anywhere you put it..
_http://vholdr.com/contourhd/helmetcam_
(http://vholdr.com/contourhd/helmetcam)
From: _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit mounted video cameras
What is everyone using for small video equipment as either a helmet camera
mount or gun camera mount? I'm not looking for anything to make
professional videos with, just something to record formation/extended trail/maybe
a
little ACM then analyze under the influence of cold beverages afterward.
An audio input would be nice but not a necessity. Durability, ease of
operation in the cockpit and size/weight are the most important things I'm
looking for.
Thanks,
Mark Davis
N44YK
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
I have the contour 1080P and it does a great job picture wise...BUT...there is
no way to set up a remotely operated start. It is a clumsy sliding switch mounted
on the camera top. There is also no way to put in an audio feed from your
comm system
Keith McKinley
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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