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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Re: How old is too old? (lou)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: How old is too old? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (marklevy)
4. 01:01 PM - generator light (Jon Boede)
5. 02:51 PM - Re: generator light (kingcj6@aol.com)
6. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: How old is too old? (doug sapp)
7. 02:54 PM - Re:generator light (Frank Stelwagon)
8. 02:55 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras (Roger Kemp M.D.)
9. 02:57 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Test (Roger Kemp M.D.)
10. 03:36 PM - Polished Props (barryhancock)
11. 03:56 PM - Re: Polished Props (Byron Fox)
12. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: How old is too old? (David Sproule)
13. 04:48 PM - Re: Polished Props (pilotdog57@aol.com)
14. 04:48 PM - Re: Polished Props (doug sapp)
15. 04:49 PM - Re: Polished Props (Dale)
16. 05:18 PM - Re: Polished Props (Hank Gibson)
17. 08:37 PM - Re: Polished Props (barryhancock)
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| Subject: | Re: How old is too old? |
There should be a plate on the firewall with date of manufacture stamped
on it mine is near start valve I think they are all rivered there my cj
was made 1969 and it is spot welded and my mates is a 1983 model and I
think it is welded as well but I would have to check both ours came out
of the nanchang factory.
lou
On 3/05/2010 3:41 AM, Walter Lannon wrote:
>
> Hi Pete;
>
> What is the serial number of your CJ? Of the four I imported from
> China in 1994 two were from batch 15 (dated Dec 65 and Jan 66), one
> from batch 24 (dated 1968) and one from batch 25 (dated 1969).
> Only the 1969 model was spot welded. All four were produced by
> factory #320
>
> The first two digits of the serial no.is the batch number which will
> give an indication of when it was manufactured.
>
> Hey Doug, I'm sure you could shed some light on this subject. When
> did spot welding of CJ fuselage skins start and end?
>
> Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:29 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
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>> Since you guys mentioned it, I went back and look and, sure enough,
>> my 1966 is spot-welded on the rear fuselage panels where they're
>> secured to the stringers but riveted where the panels overlap or are
>> over formers. It also has button head rivets where the formers
>> "cross" the stringers.
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>> http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nasa+racer/nanchang+tail/P1000788.JPG.html
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>> http://nanchangcjs.yuku.com/
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| Subject: | Re: How old is too old? |
A number of issues of RedAlert a go, I published a list of all the serial
numbers of CJ-6s. Along with date of manufacture It included those that
went to other countries.
The numbers which I got from importer Jack Wang, listed the batch number
and the number of airplanes in that batch. Your serial number will show
what number your airplane was in that batch. The factory number will be
the middle 3 digits IF there is a 7 digit number on the firewall. I have
seen just 4 digits on a couple of airplanes. Its interesting to note IF
you compare the number of airplanes in a batch with the number of months
in which that batch was built, a CJ was coming off the production line ab
out every 3 days.
The serial number on mine indicates a 1969 batch. The fuselage is spot we
lded. It was well done and shows no corrosion problems even now.
I have always considered the workmen ship on these airplanes to be very go
od. Some of the later ones though OK, showed signs that the work force di
dn't have the experience of a practiced production line worker. This was
true of US aircraft too.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: lou <ldakos@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
There should be a plate on the firewall with date of manufacture stamped
on it mine is near start valve I think they are all rivered there my cj
was made 1969 and it is spot welded and my mates is a 1983 model and I th
ink it is welded as well but I would have to check both ours came out of
the nanchang factory.
lou
On 3/05/2010 3:41 AM, Walter Lannon wrote:
>
> Hi Pete;
>
> What is the serial number of your CJ? Of the four I imported from > Chin
a in 1994 two were from batch 15 (dated Dec 65 and Jan 66), one > from bat
ch 24 (dated 1968) and one from batch 25 (dated 1969).
> Only the 1969 model was spot welded. All four were produced by > factory
#320
>
> The first two digits of the serial no.is the batch number which will >
give an indication of when it was manufactured.
>
> Hey Doug, I'm sure you could shed some light on this subject. When > did
spot welding of CJ fuselage skins start and end?
>
> Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:29 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
>
>
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>> Since you guys mentioned it, I went back and look and, sure enough, >>
my 1966 is spot-welded on the rear fuselage panels where they're >> secur
ed to the stringers but riveted where the panels overlap or are >> over fo
rmers. It also has button head rivets where the formers >> "cross" the str
ingers.
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>> http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nasa+racer/nanchang+tail/P100
0788.JPG.html >>
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>> N4183E
>> http://nanchangcjs.yuku.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Crapped out? Meaning stopped working? Sorry I'm a Brit........................
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CJ with stock engine (and stock everything else).
Generator light on=2C stays on no matter RPM. Even after shut down and res
tart (twice).
What's the usual cause?
Thanks!!
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: generator light |
With the engine not running, have you re-set the generator switch/circuit
breaker?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 8:38 am
Subject: Yak-List: generator light
CJ with stock engine (and stock everything else).
Generator light on, stays on no matter RPM. Even after shut down and rest
art (twice).
What's the usual cause?
Thanks!!
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: How old is too old? |
Walt and all,
>From my experience it's kind of a mixed bag and so it is very difficult to
be real sure. In 1969 they tried to spot weld the fuse and the tail cone.
I have been told this only lasted for one year, but I have seen 1970 year
aircraft which were both ways, some spot welded, some riveted. I can only
assume that they had fuselages left over from 69 and used them up. Since
fuselages and tail cones are not built in one place together but are mated
later, this would account for some later year mod aircraft having spot
welded tail cones but fully riveted fuselages. The year of mfg only
indicates the year when all the pieces finally became a aircraft, the
individual parts may be from as much as several years previous.
It has not been my experience that spot welding caused corrosion, don't know
where this tale got started, but I have not found it to be true.
Best,
Doug
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Pete;
>
> What is the serial number of your CJ? Of the four I imported from China in
> 1994 two were from batch 15 (dated Dec 65 and Jan 66), one from batch 24
> (dated 1968) and one from batch 25 (dated 1969).
> Only the 1969 model was spot welded. All four were produced by factory
> #320
>
> The first two digits of the serial no.is the batch number which will give
> an indication of when it was manufactured.
>
> Hey Doug, I'm sure you could shed some light on this subject. When did
> spot welding of CJ fuselage skins start and end?
>
> Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:29 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
>
>
>>
>> Since you guys mentioned it, I went back and look and, sure enough, my
>> 1966 is spot-welded on the rear fuselage panels where they're secured to the
>> stringers but riveted where the panels overlap or are over formers. It also
>> has button head rivets where the formers "cross" the stringers.
>>
>>
>> http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nasa+racer/nanchang+tail/P1000788.JPG.html
>>
>> --------
>> N4183E
>> http://nanchangcjs.yuku.com/
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296439#296439
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| Subject: | Re:generator light |
How about charging system not working!
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras |
Roger that..Tits Up (Tango Uniform)..crapped out...bit the dust...went
around the bend... a mort...all the same.
By the way we colonist still like you, the Brits...it's our Kenyan bugger
that seems to have problems with the Imperialists.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of marklevy
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: Re: Cockpit mounted video cameras
Crapped out? Meaning stopped working? Sorry I'm a
Brit........................
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Don't know. Ask Elmar...did she?
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Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:00 PM
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pee'd on your stick?
On May 2, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
> >
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> Pregnant?
> Doc
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> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Nosko
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> Hi Elmar, got your test. Hope all is well with you.
>
> Brian
>
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Gang,
Just wondering if anyone has had any "official" interaction with the FAA regarding
polished props on the CJ? One of our aircraft just got "tagged" and I'd
like some sort of precedent when I deal with this, if it's out there.
Thanks!
Barry
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Polished Props |
As you may recall my former ptop was polished. Never got a peep from
the FAA at waivered airspace events. My undestanding has always been
that experimental aircraft with non-US props need not comply.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 3, 2010, at 3:31 PM, "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> Gang,
>
> Just wondering if anyone has had any "official" interaction with the
> FAA regarding polished props on the CJ? One of our aircraft just
> got "tagged" and I'd like some sort of precedent when I deal with
> this, if it's out there.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barry
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> (909) 606-4444
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: How old is too old? |
Hi All,
I believe mine was a 68 purchased from Walt, it was spot welded on fuselage
and wings on stringers only not on spars, formers or bulkheads. I never had
any issues with the welds. Sold it about 2002 to Ron Lee.
Best regards,
David
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: May-03-10 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
Walt and all,
>From my experience it's kind of a mixed bag and so it is very difficult to
be real sure. In 1969 they tried to spot weld the fuse and the tail cone.
I have been told this only lasted for one year, but I have seen 1970 year
aircraft which were both ways, some spot welded, some riveted. I can only
assume that they had fuselages left over from 69 and used them up. Since
fuselages and tail cones are not built in one place together but are mated
later, this would account for some later year mod aircraft having spot
welded tail cones but fully riveted fuselages. The year of mfg only
indicates the year when all the pieces finally became a aircraft, the
individual parts may be from as much as several years previous.
It has not been my experience that spot welding caused corrosion, don't know
where this tale got started, but I have not found it to be true.
Best,
Doug
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca> wrote:
Hi Pete;
What is the serial number of your CJ? Of the four I imported from China in
1994 two were from batch 15 (dated Dec 65 and Jan 66), one from batch 24
(dated 1968) and one from batch 25 (dated 1969).
Only the 1969 model was spot welded. All four were produced by factory #320
The first two digits of the serial no.is the batch number which will give an
indication of when it was manufactured.
Hey Doug, I'm sure you could shed some light on this subject. When did
spot welding of CJ fuselage skins start and end?
Walt
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: How old is too old?
Since you guys mentioned it, I went back and look and, sure enough, my 1966
is spot-welded on the rear fuselage panels where they're secured to the
stringers but riveted where the panels overlap or are over formers. It also
has button head rivets where the formers "cross" the stringers.
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nasa+racer/nanchang+tail/P1000788.
JPG.html
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http://nanchangcjs.yuku.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Polished Props |
Maybe they think you have a V530 and didn't understand how you got the wood so
shiney!
------Original Message------
From: barryhancock
Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Polished Props
Sent: May 3, 2010 3:31 PM
Gang,
Just wondering if anyone has had any "official" interaction with the FAA regarding
polished props on the CJ? One of our aircraft just got "tagged" and I'd
like some sort of precedent when I deal with this, if it's out there.
Thanks!
Barry
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Polished Props |
Barry,
The aircraft which was just exported to Belgium had a polished prop on it.
Was done while it was owned by Dennis Jones, he sold the aircraft to Bob
Hanner of Chelan WA, who we helped sell it into Belgium. They never
mentioned anything about a problem with the feds.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As you may recall my former ptop was polished. Never got a peep from the
> FAA at waivered airspace events. My undestanding has always been that
> experimental aircraft with non-US props need not comply.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 3, 2010, at 3:31 PM, "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
> wrote:
>
>> bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has had any "official" interaction with the FAA
>> regarding polished props on the CJ? One of our aircraft just got "tagged"
>> and I'd like some sort of precedent when I deal with this, if it's out
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> --------
>> Barry Hancock
>> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
>> (909) 606-4444
>> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296619#296619
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| Subject: | Re: Polished Props |
Lots of T-28's and P-51's with polished props.
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| Subject: | Re: Polished Props |
Barry-
-
My CJ stock prop is polished on the front and was just overhauled by Palm B
each Propeller and balanced by Curtis at George Baker (New Smyrna, FL); log
book entries and sign-offs by two A & P's as good to go.- Takes more work
to keep the corrosion (intergranular is most common) under control (Nuvite
"cut C" and "final finish" polish work well), but I have had no FAA folks
make an issue of it and I was ramped at the self-serve pump at Herlong (HEG
) here in Jacksonville earlier this year.- They didn't seem to care that
I was experimental;- just wanted to see license, medical,-registration
and C.A.W..- Orlando FSDO seems pretty reasonable in my few dealings with
them (knock on wood!).- Give us a visit if you are in the SE.
-
Hoot
Hank Gibson
904-738-3240 Mobile
904-213-1760 Home
hkgibby@yahoo.com
hkgibson@fnf.com
hgibson@flightworks.com
--- On Mon, 5/3/10, barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> wrote:
From: barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Polished Props
com>
Gang,
Just wondering if anyone has had any "official" interaction with the FAA re
garding polished props on the CJ?- One of our aircraft just got "tagged"
and- I'd like some sort of precedent when I deal with this, if it's out t
here.
Thanks!
Barry
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Polished Props |
Thanks for the replies, gang. While anecdotal, they are ammunition for my case.
One of my A&P's will sign it off and I can point to no documentation in the
prop maintenance or overhaul manual that says you can't polish the prop.
These are the same guys that came out to our facility, on a Saturday (time and
a half), two guys came, used a company vehicle.....all to see some paperwork they
*already had* and or could have easily received via fax. What a racket....these
are our tax dollars at work, my friends.
Happy Flying!
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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