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Mark,
One of the things I've noted (and you may have too) is that interpretation
s of FARs differ from FSDO to FSDO. Case in point I once sent a copy to
another new CJ-6 owner of my operating letter that was approved by the Or
lando FSDO. His FSDO read mine, than told him that IF I ever came into th
eir jurisdiction, they would personally ground my airplane!!!!
I called my FSDO and the handler of my CJ. He told me not to worry, that
that FSDO really had NO juridiction over me, as far as operating letters.
We also run into this with flying the B24 from time to time. Again the Or
lando FSDO handles our operation. Just last week in BUR we were ramped ch
ecked by no less than 5 feds. We spent more time BSing about the airplane
s, than them digging into every piece of paper we had.
Most of the time these guys don't really know what they are looking at.
Sometimes its better to apologies for something than try to get straighte
n it out before it happens. They may not really want the work load.
One way to cover yourself is that in your operating letter, you could put
that the engine will be maintained according to a manufactures manuals -s
uch and such. That way even if the engine is questioned, you can "assure"
the FAA guy, that you do have a plan, that has already been approved.
I didn't know the POM was required to be in the airplane at all times. Th
e operating letter, yes but not the manual. I wonder if that's is a FSDO
inconsistency.
Careful on the translation manual trick, they may ask you if you can speak
the lingo ;-) Wooops.
"Confusion, thy name is FAA"
I'll try to call my FSDO guy with a question or two if you like. But agai
n it may be his own FSDO interpretation.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlic
h@navy.mil>
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 9:09 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Experimental Class
Pappy, thanks for taking the time to write back. I am very interested in
your
erspective. I know this is off topic and I apologize to all, but I know
the
eople on this list that I trust and respect, so I come here when I need an
xpert in an area that I know NOTHING about, and this is one of them.
My UTVA-66 has a GSO-480 Lycoming. However, as you mentioned with your Pi
tts,
he aircraft itself is Experimental. Experimental Exhibition of course.
The
AA has not said a word to me either, but I have to wonder!
My experience with the FSDO folks is that in many cases it is easier to ju
st say
no" than it is to go out on a limb and give a blessing on something they
are
ot sure of. In fact, my experience has been that you better know more tha
n
hey do when you ask them to do ANYTHING. But, I know that is unfair and
many
SDO's have wonderful folks. Let me just pause here and say that the FAA
came
p running to me today... At the Cherry Point Airshow, when I took the door
off
he UTVA-66 for the Combat Camera guys so they could get good video. Oh my
OSH! FIVE OF THEM came up. Talk about being ganged up on! But in realit
y
hey were really quite nice... Although they nailed me for my pilots licens
e not
eing signed (OMG!) and also.... And they got me dead cold to rights on thi
s
ne... I did not have the Pilots Operating Manual in the aircraft. Darn it
. I
romised I would have it in there tomorrow and they said they would come ba
ck
nd check it. Just for grins, I am going to br
ing them the UNTRANSLATED version written in Yugoslavian. Ought to be fun
.
In any case, a lot of the CJ-6 guys are here too. -1, -2, -3 and -4 !!!
I
hink they want to gang up on my 50! Anyway, hope to be able to have the
ogfight so many want to see the result of! :-)
Anyway... Pappy, I still really am confused about this.
Mark
----Original Message-----
rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com]
n Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
ent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:22 PM
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Yak-List: Experimental Class
Good questions Mark.
y speculations would be:
. If the engine installed has no modifications what so ever done, than its
reated like a certified engine.
That would mean a annual inspection by an IA and mainten
ance
lus inspections per the manufacture.
. Any engine that has never been certified OR a certified engine that has
had a
odification done, would be considered "Experimental".
owever a call to either the EAA or FSDO guys would more likely give you a
etter answer than mine.
know I put a Lyc 360 with no mods in my Pitts S1C, I built. The FAA neve
r
aid one word about the engine. The whole airplane was "Experimental" as
far as
hey were concern. As we all know "interpretation" is not an FAA norm.
im "Pappy" Goolsby
----Original Message-----
rom: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich
@navy.mil>
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ent: Wed, May 19, 2010 7:54 pm
ubject: Yak-List: Experimental Class
-> Point,
ALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
A question for the legal Eagles out there. I have been told that if an
xperimental Aircraft has a "Certified" engine type, then that engine is
equired to undergo all requirements that it normally would have were it to
be
nstalled in a fully certified aircraft.
Ok... Then that brings up the question:
1. Is this true?
. If it is, then what makes an engine itself "Experimental" ??
I really do not quite understand this aspect....
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com?>
On Behalf Of KingCJ6@aol.com
ent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:33 AM
o: yak-list@matronics.com
The beauty of our "experimental" class!
Dave
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