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1. 05:27 AM - Re: Advice / Info (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Advice / Info (Didier Blouzard)
3. 06:32 AM - Re: Advice / Info (Warren Hill)
4. 10:12 AM - Tuskegee Airman Bill Holloman (doug sapp)
5. 03:26 PM - Re: Advice / Info (jeff krings)
6. 04:01 PM - CJ 6 Hot Starts (vplewis@communitynet.org)
7. 04:56 PM - Re: CJ 6 Hot Starts (dabear)
8. 04:59 PM - Re: CJ 6 Hot Starts (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: CJ 6 Hot Starts (Byron Fox)
10. 06:24 PM - Re: Advice / Info (Dale)
11. 07:36 PM - CJ rear canopy installation - lessons learned wanted (keithmckinley)
12. 07:51 PM - Re: FSDO changing operating limitations on pre-moratorium aircra (Pete Fowler)
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| Subject: | Re: Advice / Info |
Rico,
Contact me off-list. I know of a 52TW that just came on the market very
close to you in WI.
Dennis Savarese
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
334-285-2141
----- Original Message -----
From: Rico Jaeger
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Advice / Info
<rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>
OK, so...a couple years ago, the allure of the Red Star aircraft
caught my eye. Last year, a ride in Herb C's 52TW @ AirVenture only
served to poor raw fuel on the growing fire. Now, the seduction is
complete. I feel like I GOTTA get into a Yak or CJ or I'm gonna freak
out! My question is...I recently noticed an ad for a CJ import that can
be purchased "as is" or in airworthy condition. The difference is
substantial. How do the CJ's arrive and how much surgery do they
typically need to come to life? If I get into one, I'm looking at
liquidationg my projects to raise the necessary funds. (BT-13, PT-26,
Stearman N2S-5 and / or C-150 - if you know of anyone looking for some
rainy day hobbies!?) But I'm not finding myself getting younger, richer
or with anymore substantial free time on my hands. I'd rather fly NOW
than restore into my retirement and possibly never fly. So, are these
"as is" imports IRAN aircarft or does it become a restoration in itself?
Also, are either of the !
types more cost / maintenance-friendly than the other? Thanks, guys!
'Hope to joing the fun someday...!
Rico Jaeger / Wausau, WI.
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| Subject: | Re: Advice / Info |
52 TW the creme de la creme!!!!
Go for her!!
Didier
2010/6/17 A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Rico,
> Contact me off-list. I know of a 52TW that just came on the market very
> close to you in WI.
> Dennis Savarese
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> 334-285-2141
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:46 PM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Advice / Info
>
>
> OK, so...a couple years ago, the allure of the Red Star aircraft caught my
> eye. Last year, a ride in Herb C's 52TW @ AirVenture only served to poor raw
> fuel on the growing fire. Now, the seduction is complete. I feel like I
> GOTTA get into a Yak or CJ or I'm gonna freak out! My question is...I
> recently noticed an ad for a CJ import that can be purchased "as is" or in
> airworthy condition. The difference is substantial. How do the CJ's arrive
> and how much surgery do they typically need to come to life? If I get into
> one, I'm looking at liquidationg my projects to raise the necessary funds.
> (BT-13, PT-26, Stearman N2S-5 and / or C-150 - if you know of anyone looking
> for some rainy day hobbies!?) But I'm not finding myself getting younger,
> richer or with anymore substantial free time on my hands. I'd rather fly NOW
> than restore into my retirement and possibly never fly. So, are these "as
> is" imports IRAN aircarft or does it become a restoration in itself? Also,
> are either of the !
> types more cost / maintenance-friendly than the other? Thanks, guys! 'Hope
> to joing the fun someday...!
>
> Rico Jaeger / Wausau, nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and href="
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| Subject: | Re: Advice / Info |
Rico,
Owning a Yak or CJ is probably going to be the most fun you'll ever have in aviation;
especially if you become even loosely affiliated with the larger warbird
community. The mutual support and camaraderie is easily as much fun as the flying
itself.
As someone who purchased a modestly restored CJ about a year ago, here are what
I think may be some helpful insights. The Yak-drivers may have their own take,
but the two aircraft are probably similar in terms of the emotional and financial
investment.
First, and most important, compared to just about anything in general aviation,
this aircraft represents a genuine bargain. What you get for what you pay for
is amazing. With that in mind, it's truly worthwhile spend as much as you need
to get something that's already what you want. Just a heads up that an "as in...
airworthy condition" CJ is likely going to be a project. Not that that's
a bad thing, but if your main objective is to fly now, also be aware that if you
buy something like this you'll probably be doing a fair amount of restoration.
Restored CJs are available at many different levels: from "as is" to something
that borders on the magnificent. Keeping in mind that CJs and Yaks are a real
bargain, an extra $20k can make an enormous difference in what you get. Enough
of a difference that you're flying more than restoring. And for about the cost
of a 1980 Cessna 182, you can own a spectacular, upper-tier restoration... and
then it's just about maintenance.
These are not expensive airplanes to maintain, but you're going to have to do a
fair amount of the work yourself. Unless there's a CJ friendly A&P guy at your
local FBO, you can't just tow this bird over and have the Piper/Cessna guy work
on it. Those of us who live in central Arizona are very fortunate as there
are extensive CJ resources here. You'll want to check and see what you have in
the Wausau area. Chances are that there will be someone nearby. Part of the
decision as to how extensive a restored airplane you're going to buy will also
depend on how much wrench turning you're willing to do on your own and what local
resources are available to you. Maintaining a CJ is also part of the fun
of owning it. There seems to always be something that needs to be done.
Let us know what you get. In advance, welcome to the community!
Warren Hill
N867PA
On Jun 16, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
>
> OK, so...a couple years ago, the allure of the Red Star aircraft caught my eye.
Last year, a ride in Herb C's 52TW @ AirVenture only served to poor raw fuel
on the growing fire. Now, the seduction is complete. I feel like I GOTTA get
into a Yak or CJ or I'm gonna freak out! My question is...I recently noticed
an ad for a CJ import that can be purchased "as is" or in airworthy condition.
The difference is substantial. How do the CJ's arrive and how much surgery do
they typically need to come to life? If I get into one, I'm looking at liquidationg
my projects to raise the necessary funds. (BT-13, PT-26, Stearman N2S-5
and / or C-150 - if you know of anyone looking for some rainy day hobbies!?)
But I'm not finding myself getting younger, richer or with anymore substantial
free time on my hands. I'd rather fly NOW than restore into my retirement and
possibly never fly. So, are these "as is" imports IRAN aircarft or does it become
a restoration in itself? Also, are either of the !
> types more cost / maintenance-friendly than the other? Thanks, guys! 'Hope to
joing the fun someday...!
>
> Rico Jaeger / Wausau, WI.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tuskegee Airman Bill Holloman |
Guys, I don't normally post things not "yak", but if you feel as strongly
about those who have served as I do, you will agree that his passing is a
loss to us all.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012136614_hollomanobit17m.html
Doug
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Rico
I have owned both yaks and cjs and currently own a 1975 cj6-a completely
ground up refurbished and love it. I purchased it form Avcraft in Columbus
Nebraska just a little hop from you. they have two cjs that you can pick how
much you want done. You really need to call and talk with keith harbour
And he will help you with a cj just right for you.402-564-7884 tell him jeff
sent ya.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rico Jaeger
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:47 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Advice / Info
OK, so...a couple years ago, the allure of the Red Star aircraft caught my
eye. Last year, a ride in Herb C's 52TW @ AirVenture only served to poor raw
fuel on the growing fire. Now, the seduction is complete. I feel like I
GOTTA get into a Yak or CJ or I'm gonna freak out! My question is...I
recently noticed an ad for a CJ import that can be purchased "as is" or in
airworthy condition. The difference is substantial. How do the CJ's arrive
and how much surgery do they typically need to come to life? If I get into
one, I'm looking at liquidationg my projects to raise the necessary funds.
(BT-13, PT-26, Stearman N2S-5 and / or C-150 - if you know of anyone looking
for some rainy day hobbies!?) But I'm not finding myself getting younger,
richer or with anymore substantial free time on my hands. I'd rather fly NOW
than restore into my retirement and possibly never fly. So, are these "as
is" imports IRAN aircarft or does it become a restoration in itself? Also,
are either of the !
types more cost / maintenance-friendly than the other? Thanks, guys! 'Hope
to joing the fun someday...!
Rico Jaeger / Wausau, WI.
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Hi Guys, I am a first time user of the Yak List. I have a CJ 6, 285 HP th
at starts fine when it is cold with about 5 priming strokes. If the plane
sits for less than 15 minutes, it will start without priming, but any lo
nger than that & I have to prime 3-4 strokes. Is that normal? I am concer
ned about washing down the cylinder walls with gas. Also, does anyone hav
e experience with Barry Hancocks extended rudder pedals? How about qualit
y & ease of installation? Thanks for your help.
Paul Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 6 Hot Starts |
For Priming, my best recommendation is to find the "sweet" spot for your
engine. Yes, you need to prime if you have been shut down for more than
a few min. Best place to start is with 2 or 3 shots of prime, and then
1 more for each 10degC below 50 for the oil temp. But beware of too
much. once you learn the spot, always use that for the given
temp/situation.
I have the extended pedals. Barry did a fantastic job with them, can't
say enough. Easy to install once you get the old pedals out. Just
check the exploded drawing in the manuals you purchased from Doug for
how they come out. Study them and it will be less time you spend on
your head in the cockpit.
bear
----- Original Message -----
From: vplewis@communitynet.org
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ 6 Hot Starts
Hi Guys, I am a first time user of the Yak List. I have a CJ 6, 285
HP that starts fine when it is cold with about 5 priming strokes. If
the plane sits for less than 15 minutes, it will start without priming,
but any longer than that & I have to prime 3-4 strokes. Is that normal?
I am concerned about washing down the cylinder walls with gas. Also,
does anyone have experience with Barry Hancocks extended rudder pedals?
How about quality & ease of installation? Thanks for your help.
Paul Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 6 Hot Starts |
Paul,
When you prime your engine you are not shooting the prime directly into
the cylinders. When you pump the primer pump you are pushing the prime
into the supercharger. It is distributed to the cylinders through the
intake tubes as the engine rotates. Priming after being shut down for
15 + minutes is perfectly normal.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: vplewis@communitynet.org
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ 6 Hot Starts
Hi Guys, I am a first time user of the Yak List. I have a CJ 6, 285
HP that starts fine when it is cold with about 5 priming strokes. If
the plane sits for less than 15 minutes, it will start without priming,
but any longer than that & I have to prime 3-4 strokes. Is that normal?
I am concerned about washing down the cylinder walls with gas. Also,
does anyone have experience with Barry Hancocks extended rudder pedals?
How about quality & ease of installation? Thanks for your help.
Paul Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 6 Hot Starts |
I would not be concerned if it takes a few primes after the engine's been
shut down for a while, Paul. And yes, I'm the happy owner of Barry's rudder
peddle extensions. They're great!! ...Blitz
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:01 PM, <vplewis@communitynet.org> wrote:
> Hi Guys, I am a first time user of the Yak List. I have a CJ 6, 285 HP
> that starts fine when it is cold with about 5 priming strokes. If the plane
> sits for less than 15 minutes, it will start without priming, but any longer
> than that & I have to prime 3-4 strokes. Is that normal? I am concerned
> about washing down the cylinder walls with gas. Also, does anyone have
> experience with Barry Hancocks extended rudder pedals? How about quality &
> ease of installation? Thanks for your help.
>
> Paul Lewis
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: Advice / Info |
Get a project and in a few years you can be flying it. You will be older of course
and wishing you had been flying. The sweetness of low price is long forgotten
after the projects sitting in the hangar still remains. Don't do it. I have
a great TW and a 52 (not for sale). Lots of great planes around that you
can buy. Keith has the Cj's and is a great guy and is close to you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301625#301625
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| Subject: | CJ rear canopy installation - lessons learned wanted |
Hello all,
Would like to hear from anyone who has some input on rear canopy installation,
especially the new one piece. interested in tips, tricks, pitfalls.
Already have some great info from Gary Bunn.
If you prefer to contact me off list: keith@mckinley.us
Thanks in advance,
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301639#301639
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| Subject: | Re: FSDO changing operating limitations on pre-moratorium aircra |
So where this has ended up is that the FSDO acknowledges that they can't add any
of 8130s limitations to my operating limitations BUT they are dead set on adding
an arrival/departure route to the first line of my limitations under the
provisions of FAR 91.319 flight over congested areas:
(c) Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator in special operating limitations,
no person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental certificate
over a densely populated area or in a congested airway. The Administrator may
issue special operating limitations for particular aircraft to permit takeoffs
and landings to be conducted over a densely populated area or in a congested
airway, in accordance with terms and conditions specified in the authorization
in the interest of safety in air commerce.
They propose to do this with a (r) revision to my existing limitations, supposedly
being sure that the airworthiness certificate still retains the original 1991
date (and I'm going to be sure that no language implies that my operating
limitations have been "re-issued" thus creating the possibility that some future
FSDO could say "oh they were issued in 2010, it's no longer pre-moratorium".
Not sure the point of this but they seem to be within their rights to do it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301640#301640
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