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1. 10:26 AM - Oil, again (Jerry Painter)
2. 12:23 PM - Re: Ground Zero (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
3. 01:23 PM - Re: Ground Zero (Didier Blouzard)
4. 01:39 PM - Yak-52 gill shutters (Warren Hill)
5. 02:24 PM - Re: Fw: Oil and Radials (Eric Wobschall)
6. 03:11 PM - Re: Yak-52 gill shutters (Javier Carrasco)
7. 05:38 PM - Re: Ground Zero (Roger Kemp M.D.)
8. 06:34 PM - Re: Oil, again (Walter Lannon)
9. 06:41 PM - Re: Oil, again (Eric Wobschall)
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I found the Precision article to be very interesting, also Walt's post. One
thing not mentioned that I have read in text books is that the master rod
bearing in some engines is a silver compound that additives in AD oils may
attack. HSAT I have used Phillips 25-60 for many years in HS-6's, M-14's,
R-985's etc with no obvious ill effects. OTOH, I've never run one out, or
performed an overhaul, so can't make any comments on effects on the internal
workin's based on actual eyeball inspection. Since that is Precision's
stock in trade I'd be very inclined to defer to their greater expertise, to
say nothing of P&W's. As Brian Lloyd used to say, YMMV.
Also: does anyone out there use a pre-oiler? Mfrs?
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
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Very good advice actually.
Mark Bitterlich
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ground Zero
Didier I respectfully suggest that you do not open this can of worms on
the Yak digest. There are extremes of views on this side of the Pond
that would make the French Right Wing Party look like pussy cats and
here they carry guns !
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier
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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ground Zero
where can I answer you ????
didier.blouzard@wanadoo.fr
2010/6/22 Frank <frank@orionite.com>
Didier
I have responded to your post.
Only problem is I would get banned from the YAK-LIST if I post it.
Therefore, I have provided a link for you to read what is most assuredly
controversial but OHHHHHHH so true!
Here's the link
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We would need some of them!!
OK just laughing
no problemo, I stop on this subject.
Regards
Didier
2010/6/22 SC <thecookoos@gmail.com>
> *Didier I respectfully suggest that you do not open this can of worms on
> the Yak digest. There are extremes of views on this side of the Pond that
> would make the French Right Wing Party look like pussy cats and here they
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:17 PM
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> 2010/6/22 Frank <frank@orionite.com>
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> Didier
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| Subject: | Yak-52 gill shutters |
Gents,
Still having no luck locating a set of Yak 52 gill shutters for my M-14P conversion.
Suggestions, leads, intuitions, name of the friend of a friend would be most welcome!
Warren Hill
N867PA
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Oil and Radials |
Doc, I believe the SAE60 part of the range (viscosity at high temps)
would make it equal to 120, and low temp viscosity (SAE 25) would make
it equivalent to 50 weight oil (very thin). A great thing if it works
right, which it seems to.
On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
> Walt my mistake. The Phillips site says it is equivalent to 120 ?
> Not much info on that site.
> Doc
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:38 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials
>
> Doc;
> Phillips X/C 25W60 is not semi-synthetic. The only aviation semi-
> synthetic that I know of is Aeroshell 15W50.
>
> The Precision Engines letter was excellent in that it explained in
> detail the reason for the caution notes in the P&W SB.
> I totally agree that 15W50 and 20W50 should not be used in radial
> engines (and I would include the smaller ones). 25W60 on the other
> hand is probably OK for the small radials. It is nominally
> equivalent to 120 at higher temperatures (60 SAE = 120 SUS) though
> this is probably degraded by the ashless dispersant and viscosity
> modifier additives. Maybe the end result puts it closer to 100
> SUS ? Don't know for sure but the P&W SB does recommend the use of
> a higher number with additives.
>
> The only disappointment in the Precision letter was no reference to
> the performance of 25W60.
>
> Walt
>
> -- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 6:51 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials
>
> Why would 100 W not be appropriate for the M-14? I currently am
> running a multi-grade though..Phillips 25 W 60 semi-synthetic.
> Sounds like I need to back to AeroShell 100 W.
> Doc
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:47 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials
>
> G'Day All,
>
> I received this article the other day. A "good oil" article.
> Some of you have no doubt read this, but I thought that it is well
> worth forwarding.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ivor Paech
> To: Chris Wise
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:13 AM
> Subject: Fw: Oil and Radials
>
> Cop this and pass it on....!!
>
> And thanks for Friday night. You are getting the hang of it.
> Toof
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracey McFarlane
> To: wayne@tjhagencies.com.au ; tmo34003@bigpond.net.au ; 'Gary
> Bradley & Wendy Wills'
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:09 AM
> Subject: Oil and Radials
>
> No so appropriate for the little ones, but interesting anyway.
>
> http://www.precisionengines.com/pdf/oilBulletin.pdf
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> www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 gill shutters |
Hi Warren!
If you can get the Sukhoi Iris, it's about 2500$.
Also try this guys:
http://www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk/main.asp
--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Warren Hill <k7wx@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Warren Hill <k7wx@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 gill shutters
Gents,
Still having no luck locating a set of Yak 52 gill shutters for my M-14P co
nversion.
Suggestions, leads, intuitions, name of the friend of a friend would be mos
t welcome!
Warren Hill
N867PA
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Here here...A mosque on ground zero is a very sour subject. As it stands the
ire of the majority is being heard with the mosque on hold for now. If we
rednecks have our way, this will not come to pass because we are not going
to have mosque built on one of our battle fields! Unwanted as it was, it is
now a site of one of our battles. We will have no part of mosque erected on
a site of what the muslims think is a victory for them. It was a site of
murder..nothing more...nothing less. Done by a group of spineless cave
dwelling barbarians. There will be no gold mosque built here as it was built
on the Temple Mount after a massacre of Jews on an epic proportion.
I hate to think what will happen if this thing is built. Actually it is
building that will be remodeled. Still a spir on ground zero will be a very
sour subject with dire consequences to be paid.
We are not all politically correct here in the Colonies even if talking
heads at NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN are telling you so.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ground Zero
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Very good advice actually.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ground Zero
Didier I respectfully suggest that you do not open this can of worms on
the Yak digest. There are extremes of views on this side of the Pond
that would make the French Right Wing Party look like pussy cats and
here they carry guns !
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier
Blouzard
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ground Zero
where can I answer you ????
didier.blouzard@wanadoo.fr
2010/6/22 Frank <frank@orionite.com>
Didier
I have responded to your post.
Only problem is I would get banned from the YAK-LIST if I post it.
Therefore, I have provided a link for you to read what is most assuredly
controversial but OHHHHHHH so true!
Here's the link
http://www.orionite.com/hate_muslims.txt
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My experience is about the same as Jerry's. I have no direct knowledge of
25W60 performance from an overhaul perspective. I did discuss it years ago
with the folks at Aero Engines relative to the 985 and 1340. As I recall
they were quite happy with it. Covington also appears to be as well since
they regularly recommend 25W60 in their newsletters.
However, I too am very inclined to defer to Precision's expertise. They
have been overhauling the big radials for as long as I can remember and that
is one hell of a long time.
The note I mentioned earlier in P&W SB #1183 is as follows "Grade 1120 is
preferred in all engines using dispersant additive type oils except in very
cold climates where grade 1100 may provide easier starting."
1120=120=60SAE
Walt
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil, again
>
>
> I found the Precision article to be very interesting, also Walt's post.
> One
> thing not mentioned that I have read in text books is that the master rod
> bearing in some engines is a silver compound that additives in AD oils may
> attack. HSAT I have used Phillips 25-60 for many years in HS-6's, M-14's,
> R-985's etc with no obvious ill effects. OTOH, I've never run one out, or
> performed an overhaul, so can't make any comments on effects on the
> internal
> workin's based on actual eyeball inspection. Since that is Precision's
> stock in trade I'd be very inclined to defer to their greater expertise,
> to
> say nothing of P&W's. As Brian Lloyd used to say, YMMV.
>
>
> Also: does anyone out there use a pre-oiler? Mfrs?
>
>
>
> Jerry Painter
>
>
> Wild Blue Aviation
>
> 425-876-0865
>
> JP@FlyWBA.com
>
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>
>
> Flight Training
>
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> Hangar 28
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>
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> PS Apparently there is some problem with my email client not sending plain
> text, so, I'm trying again...
>
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Precision makes no mention of the radial-specific 25-60 oil, just the
oils for flat engines. I see no issue here.
On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Walter Lannon wrote:
>
> My experience is about the same as Jerry's. I have no direct
> knowledge of 25W60 performance from an overhaul perspective. I did
> discuss it years ago with the folks at Aero Engines relative to the
> 985 and 1340. As I recall they were quite happy with it. Covington
> also appears to be as well since they regularly recommend 25W60 in
> their newsletters.
> However, I too am very inclined to defer to Precision's expertise.
> They have been overhauling the big radials for as long as I can
> remember and that is one hell of a long time.
> The note I mentioned earlier in P&W SB #1183 is as follows "Grade
> 1120 is preferred in all engines using dispersant additive type oils
> except in very cold climates where grade 1100 may provide easier
> starting."
>
> 1120=120=60SAE
>
> Walt
> Walt
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net
> >
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:22 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Oil, again
>
>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the Precision article to be very interesting, also Walt's
>> post. One
>> thing not mentioned that I have read in text books is that the
>> master rod
>> bearing in some engines is a silver compound that additives in AD
>> oils may
>> attack. HSAT I have used Phillips 25-60 for many years in HS-6's,
>> M-14's,
>> R-985's etc with no obvious ill effects. OTOH, I've never run one
>> out, or
>> performed an overhaul, so can't make any comments on effects on the
>> internal
>> workin's based on actual eyeball inspection. Since that is
>> Precision's
>> stock in trade I'd be very inclined to defer to their greater
>> expertise, to
>> say nothing of P&W's. As Brian Lloyd used to say, YMMV.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also: does anyone out there use a pre-oiler? Mfrs?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Painter
>>
>>
>>
>> Wild Blue Aviation
>>
>> 425-876-0865
>>
>> JP@FlyWBA.com
>>
>> www.FlyWBA.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Flight Training
>>
>> Aircraft Restoration and Maintenance
>>
>> Pilot Supplies
>>
>>
>>
>> Hangar 28
>>
>> Arlington Municipal Airport
>>
>> 18228 59th Dr. NE
>>
>> Arlington, WA 98223
>>
>>
>>
>> PS Apparently there is some problem with my email client not
>> sending plain
>> text, so, I'm trying again...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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