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Thu 06/24/10


Total Messages Posted: 33



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     1. 12:37 AM - Irrelevant material (Richard Goode)
     2. 01:24 AM - Re: Irrelevant material (pilko2)
     3. 02:02 AM - Re: Irrelevant material (lou)
     4. 03:37 AM - Re: oil, again (Cpayne)
     5. 04:56 AM - Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P (keithmckinley)
     6. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P (A. Dennis Savarese)
     7. 05:48 AM - Yak 18T (SC)
     8. 06:01 AM - Re: Yak 18T (RICHARD VOLKER)
     9. 06:04 AM - Re: Yak 18T (Richard Goode)
    10. 06:27 AM - Re: Yak 18T (A. Dennis Savarese)
    11. 06:39 AM - Re: Yak 18T (A. Dennis Savarese)
    12. 06:53 AM - Re: Yak 18T (SC)
    13. 07:25 AM - Re: Yak 18T (Richard Goode)
    14. 07:42 AM - Re: Yak 18T (RICHARD VOLKER)
    15. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
    16. 10:37 AM - Irrelevant material addition (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
    17. 10:54 AM - Re: Irrelevant material addition (SC)
    18. 11:24 AM - Re: Yak 18T (A. Dennis Savarese)
    19. 11:35 AM - Re: Yak 18T (A. Dennis Savarese)
    20. 11:39 AM - Russian attitude gyro (A. Dennis Savarese)
    21. 11:49 AM - Re: Yak 18T (SC)
    22. 11:54 AM - Re: Yak 18T (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
    23. 12:02 PM - Re: Yak 18T (A. Dennis Savarese)
    24. 12:33 PM - Re: Russian attitude gyro (Jon Boede)
    25. 12:37 PM - Re: Yak 18T (SC)
    26. 01:24 PM - Re: Russian attitude gyro (doug sapp)
    27. 01:58 PM - Re: Russian attitude gyro (Roger Kemp M.D.)
    28. 02:47 PM - Re: Russian attitude gyro (bpx2horn@aol.com)
    29. 04:02 PM - Re: Yak 18T (Chris Wise)
    30. 04:04 PM - Re: Russian attitude gyro (Eric Wobschall)
    31. 04:06 PM - Re: Yak 18T (A. Dennis Savarese)
    32. 06:35 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Fw: Oil and Radials (Roger Kemp M.D.)
    33. 08:20 PM - July 3rd Florida RPA guys (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:37:56 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Irrelevant material
    Is there any chance that posters to the Yak-list restrict themselves to issues that are about Russian aircraft???Surely not too much to ask! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/>


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    Time: 01:24:35 AM PST US
    From: "pilko2" <pilko2@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Irrelevant material
    We all endorse that sentiment ! _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: 24 June 2010 08:37 Subject: Yak-List: Irrelevant material Is there any chance that posters to the Yak-list restrict themselves to issues that are about Russian aircraft???Surely not too much to ask! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/>


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    Time: 02:02:56 AM PST US
    From: lou <ldakos@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Irrelevant material
    Don't forget the rice burners On 24/06/2010 6:17 PM, pilko2 wrote: > We all endorse that sentiment ! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Goode > *Sent:* 24 June 2010 08:37 > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Yak-List: Irrelevant material > > Is there any chance that posters to the Yak-list restrict themselves > to issues that are about Russian aircraft???Surely not too much to ask! > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > > Rhodds Farm > > Lyonshall > > Herefordshire > > HR5 3LW > > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > > www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > * > > > *


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    Time: 03:37:16 AM PST US
    From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: Re: oil, again
    In regards to the silver plating on the master rod journal, I believe there is a lead coating that protects the silver. It is this lead coating that is attacked by lead scavenging compounds in some aviation "flat engine" oils that does the damage. AD oils designed for radials do not include same. In automotive oils, compounds include zinc and sulphur additives meant to reduce wear. These additives can erode the lead exposing the silver to acids. One day, the whole mess just seizes up and stops turning. This has happened to large radials, removed from long-term storage and filled up with modern "racing" oils. I remember an Oshkosh seminar where X-rays of the crank journal where an important part of the OH process. Be careful what you dump into the oil. Craig Payne


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    Time: 04:56:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P
    From: "keithmckinley" <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
    Phil, I use NGK's. I have Dennis's kit on your former CJ. Check some previous posts for comments on gapping Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302346#302346


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    Time: 05:26:00 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P
    The recommended gap is .020-.021. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: keithmckinley To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:55 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P <keith.mckinley@townisp.com> Phil, I use NGK's. I have Dennis's kit on your former CJ. Check some previous posts for comments on gapping Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302346#302346


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    Time: 05:48:37 AM PST US
    From: "SC" <thecookoos@gmail.com>
    Subject: Yak 18T
    My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks.


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    Time: 06:01:27 AM PST US
    From: RICHARD VOLKER <rick@rvairshows.com>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    Use a larger MT type prop/spinner to duct the air better. GT propellers just came out with a similar size spinner for the v530 prop that should also do the trick. It will also allow a proper dynamic balance of this prop. Rick Volker On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:48 AM, SC wrote: > My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. > > >


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    Time: 06:04:39 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Yak 18T
    You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. <http://www.invictawiz.com/> http://www.invictawiz.com/ --------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 06:27:16 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    Has anyone actually been able to purchase one of the GT propeller larger spinners? I know they are being advertised. But no one has them and from what I've been able to determine, no dealer has been able to get them either. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD VOLKER To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Use a larger MT type prop/spinner to duct the air better. GT propellers just came out with a similar size spinner for the v530 prop that should also do the trick. It will also allow a proper dynamic balance of this prop. Rick Volker On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:48 AM, SC wrote: My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution


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    Time: 06:39:23 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. http://www.invictawiz.com/ --------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 06:53:34 AM PST US
    From: "SC" <thecookoos@gmail.com>
    Subject: Yak 18T
    Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. <http://www.invictawiz.com/> http://www.invictawiz.com/ -------------------------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 07:25:21 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Yak 18T
    The jets go from 0.9mm to 2.1mm.Of course most in use are between 1.2 and 1.9. You can only try by checking what you have,then trying a jet 1 or 2 sizes smaller. Since they are compensating jets,a smaller jet give a richer mixture. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 14:53 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. <http://www.invictawiz.com/> http://www.invictawiz.com/ -------------------------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:42:06 AM PST US
    From: RICHARD VOLKER <rick@rvairshows.com>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    They have just become available in the last week or so. I have not seen one yet, but have looked at the design. Same general size as large MT spinner for MTV9. There must be at least 20 orders in place for them at this time. Rick Volker On Jun 24, 2010, at 9:19 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > Has anyone actually been able to purchase one of the GT propeller larger spinners? I know they are being advertised. But no one has them and from what I've been able to determine, no dealer has been able to get them either. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RICHARD VOLKER > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T > > Use a larger MT type prop/spinner to duct the air better. GT propellers just came out with a similar size spinner for the v530 prop that should also do the trick. It will also allow a proper dynamic balance of this prop. > Rick Volker > On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:48 AM, SC wrote: > >> My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > >


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    Time: 09:23:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    And if you ignore that advice and set the gap to around .032 like you would do in your old Chevy, you can expect the aircraft to NOT START when it gets hot. Ignore the gap advice from Dennis at your own risk. My A&P helped me put those plugs in about 2 years ago and he gapped them at .032 I worked for over 6 months trying to figure out why the engine would not start once it got hot. Strangest problem I have worked on in quite awhile. Long story short, it turned out to be something so simple as spark plug gap. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P The recommended gap is .020-.021. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: keithmckinley <mailto:keith.mckinley@townisp.com> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:55 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Automotive Plugs and Prop Gov Setup For M14P <keith.mckinley@townisp.com> Phil, I use NGK's. I have Dennis's kit on your former CJ. Check some previous posts for comments on gapping Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302346#302346 http://www.matronics========================<; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ===============


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    Subject: Irrelevant material addition
    From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
    No Richard there is no possibility! Every single person in America has an opinion and must post it here! If only we could get all these bartenders and sidewalk prophets to run for office our troubles would be over! And just to be Yak List correct - Nanchangs forever! Cheers from the Wild Wild West! TGB


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    Time: 10:54:51 AM PST US
    From: "SC" <thecookoos@gmail.com>
    Subject: Irrelevant material addition
    Time for you to step in Matt ? _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Yak-List: Irrelevant material addition No Richard there is no possibility! Every single person in America has an opinion and must post it here! If only we could get all these bartenders and sidewalk prophets to run for office our troubles would be over! And just to be Yak List correct - Nanchangs forever! Cheers from the Wild Wild West! TGB


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    Time: 11:24:43 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    Steve, If you are not experiencing any hesitation on power up when the engine is at operating temperature, you could increase the jet size by .1mm. Basically, you need to find out what size is in the carburetor first. Then keep increasing the jet size by .1 mm while being cognizant of the fact that you may begin to experience the hesitation I previously mentioned when you push the power up quickly. Another question would be, how do you know the instrument reading is accurate? What cylinder is the temperature probe installed on? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. http://www.invictawiz.com/ -------------------------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 11:35:23 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    Sorry...I meant to say DECREASE the jet size by .1 mm. Age has crept in. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Steve, If you are not experiencing any hesitation on power up when the engine is at operating temperature, you could increase the jet size by .1mm. Basically, you need to find out what size is in the carburetor first. Then keep increasing the jet size by .1 mm while being cognizant of the fact that you may begin to experience the hesitation I previously mentioned when you push the power up quickly. Another question would be, how do you know the instrument reading is accurate? What cylinder is the temperature probe installed on? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. http://www.invictawiz.com/ -------------------------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 11:39:49 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Russian attitude gyro
    Anyone needing a Russian attitude/horizon gyro, fully operational, contact me off-list. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: yakworld1 www.yak-52.com


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    Time: 11:49:26 AM PST US
    From: "SC" <thecookoos@gmail.com>
    Subject: Yak 18T
    Bottom left cyl ? Dennis _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Steve, If you are not experiencing any hesitation on power up when the engine is at operating temperature, you could increase the jet size by .1mm. Basically, you need to find out what size is in the carburetor first. Then keep increasing the jet size by .1 mm while being cognizant of the fact that you may begin to experience the hesitation I previously mentioned when you push the power up quickly. Another question would be, how do you know the instrument reading is accurate? What cylinder is the temperature probe installed on? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC <mailto:thecookoos@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. <http://www.invictawiz.com/> http://www.invictawiz.com/ -------------------------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 11:54:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Yak 18T
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    Is all this being based on a climb on a 90 degree (F) plus day, where the cylinder head temps got into the yellow during a high power climb? I mean heck.... If so, that is pretty much a normal indication in my personal opinion. Another factor is that we do not know what climb speed that was being used! If someone was running high power on a super hot day and had the speed down to Vx, or even Vy, then what the heck, the darn thing is going to get HOT. Consider pushing the nose over, and climbing at a higher speed. Consider step climbing and reducing the power to cool off. Another important tidbit that impacts engine temps during high power climbs is the timing on the mags. It isn't always a fuel issue, it can also easily be a timing issue. I am not arguing against changing compensation jetting, but this aircraft is being flown in Virginia with some of the highest temperatures for that area in recorded HISTORY! I mean it! Today in North Carolina, we are expecting to set a new temp. record for this date and time. If the aircraft is being sold and moved to a different area, I would strongly suggest not messing with the carb until it gets to it's new home and this issue is looked at again. Just my 2 cents for a reality check. Not to mention you are only looking at one cylinder, and you also do not even know if the instrument you are looking at is accurate! (As Dennis noted) Step back and look at this again carefully Steve. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Steve, If you are not experiencing any hesitation on power up when the engine is at operating temperature, you could increase the jet size by .1mm. Basically, you need to find out what size is in the carburetor first. Then keep increasing the jet size by .1 mm while being cognizant of the fact that you may begin to experience the hesitation I previously mentioned when you push the power up quickly. Another question would be, how do you know the instrument reading is accurate? What cylinder is the temperature probe installed on? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC <mailto:thecookoos@gmail.com> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. 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    Time: 12:02:49 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    Try moving the temperature probe to the rear plug of #4 cylinder and see what the reading is. The Yak 52's temperature probes are under the rear spark plug of #4 cylinder. Although I have seen them at times on #2 and #3 cylinders as well. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Bottom left cyl ? Dennis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:17 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Steve, If you are not experiencing any hesitation on power up when the engine is at operating temperature, you could increase the jet size by .1mm. Basically, you need to find out what size is in the carburetor first. Then keep increasing the jet size by .1 mm while being cognizant of the fact that you may begin to experience the hesitation I previously mentioned when you push the power up quickly. Another question would be, how do you know the instrument reading is accurate? What cylinder is the temperature probe installed on? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. http://www.matronics.com/contribution -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. http://www.invictawiz.com/ -------------------------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 12:33:40 PM PST US
    From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Russian attitude gyro
    Is the Russian one basically the same as the Chinese one in the CJ? My friend's CJ has a "lazy" attitude indicator in the front... gets confuse d by acro very easily. What's the fix for that? Jon From: dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net Subject: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro Anyone needing a Russian attitude/horizon gyro=2C fully operational=2C contact me off-list. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: yakworld1 www.yak-52.com


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    Time: 12:37:06 PM PST US
    From: "SC" <thecookoos@gmail.com>
    Subject: Yak 18T
    Thanks Mark you are right as usual. We have 105 F advisory today and is probably hotter out here in the sticks. No flying today. New owner will no doubt sort it when back in Washington State. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> Is all this being based on a climb on a 90 degree (F) plus day, where the cylinder head temps got into the yellow during a high power climb? I mean heck.... If so, that is pretty much a normal indication in my personal opinion. Another factor is that we do not know what climb speed that was being used! If someone was running high power on a super hot day and had the speed down to Vx, or even Vy, then what the heck, the darn thing is going to get HOT. Consider pushing the nose over, and climbing at a higher speed. Consider step climbing and reducing the power to cool off. Another important tidbit that impacts engine temps during high power climbs is the timing on the mags. It isn't always a fuel issue, it can also easily be a timing issue. I am not arguing against changing compensation jetting, but this aircraft is being flown in Virginia with some of the highest temperatures for that area in recorded HISTORY! I mean it! Today in North Carolina, we are expecting to set a new temp. record for this date and time. If the aircraft is being sold and moved to a different area, I would strongly suggest not messing with the carb until it gets to it's new home and this issue is looked at again. Just my 2 cents for a reality check. Not to mention you are only looking at one cylinder, and you also do not even know if the instrument you are looking at is accurate! (As Dennis noted) Step back and look at this again carefully Steve. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Steve, If you are not experiencing any hesitation on power up when the engine is at operating temperature, you could increase the jet size by .1mm. Basically, you need to find out what size is in the carburetor first. Then keep increasing the jet size by .1 mm while being cognizant of the fact that you may begin to experience the hesitation I previously mentioned when you push the power up quickly. Another question would be, how do you know the instrument reading is accurate? What cylinder is the temperature probe installed on? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: SC <mailto:thecookoos@gmail.com> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T Thanks Dennis - any suggestions as to size I should start with and range of jets I should have. When we got to 7000ft CHT just about got into green and then we had to close oil cooler door partially to keep oil temp in range Steve ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T 200 degrees C is certainly not unusual during climb out when it's 100 degrees F outside and the M14 manual permits continuous operation at that temperature. What temperature does it run at when in straight and level cruise flight? IF when you change the compensating jet you feel the engine hesitate or cough when pushing the power up, (gets your attention, particularly on short final), you will need to change to a smaller jet. If I'm not mistaken, the smallest jet in the set is .9 mm and many times even installing the .9 mm jet does not stop the hesitation on power up. Richard is right though. It only takes 5 minutes to change the jet. And 10 minutes to re-safety wire the plug. :-)) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 18T You need to change the compensating jet in the carburettor. I suspect that 80% of owners do not even know what this is,let alone how to change it which is very simple-5 minutes only. In fact it is a good idea to change between summer and winter,particularly when there is a big temperature change between them. Alfonz at wlac has sets of the jets. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/> ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SC Sent: 24 June 2010 13:48 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week - 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. 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    Time: 01:24:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Russian attitude gyro
    From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
    Jon, It could be one of two things. It's not getting enough power (inverter going TU) or it's bearings are shot or needing lube. Most likely it's the bearings, after 20 to 30+ years they are needing attention I'm sure. I have one CJ A/H new in the sealed can in stock if needed. Also have 3 of the earlier units which fit Yak 18, 18A, also new sealed in the original tin cans. Best, Doug On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote: > Is the Russian one basically the same as the Chinese one in the CJ? > > My friend's CJ has a "lazy" attitude indicator in the front... gets > confused by acro very easily. What's the fix for that? > > Jon > > ------------------------------ > From: dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:26:57 -0500 > > Anyone needing a Russian attitude/horizon gyro, fully operational, contact > me off-list. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-2141 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: yakworld1 > www.yak-52.com > > *<://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 01:58:47 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Russian attitude gyro
    A new one or a Dynon. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro Is the Russian one basically the same as the Chinese one in the CJ? My friend's CJ has a "lazy" attitude indicator in the front... gets confused by acro very easily. What's the fix for that? Jon _____ From: dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net Subject: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro Anyone needing a Russian attitude/horizon gyro, fully operational, contact me off-list. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: yakworld1 www.yak-52.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 02:47:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Russian attitude gyro
    From: bpx2horn@aol.com
    Try the FAA TSO'd RC Allen. After hard acro they will sometimes lose thems elves but they re-erect automatically and are certified. They require no pitot static inputs like the Dynon units and are thus not susceptible to erroneous indications if a pitot or static is in error. One of our team lost input to his unit at bad point in the flight and was down to a turn coordinator. That sucks in a yak! Paul Hornick -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:57 pm Subject: RE: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro A new one or a Dynon. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro Is the Russian one basically the same as the Chinese one in the CJ? My friend's CJ has a "lazy" attitude indicator in the front... gets confus ed by acro very easily. What's the fix for that? Jon From: dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net Subject: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro Anyone needing a Russian attitude/horizon gyro, fully operational, contact me off-list. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: yakworld1 www.yak-52.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== -= - The Yak-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 04:02:35 PM PST US
    From: "Chris Wise" <wise@txc.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    G'Day Dennis. I sell GT props here in Australia. The prop is, without doubt, a far smoother prop and does offer more performance, in the climb, in the cruise and is a very noticeable improvement in aerobatics. But I cannot lay my hands on one of these spinners. I have customers for them and cannot yet supply. I this morning have send GT Propellers an email, in red, Asking for update on the spinners. I shall post the reply. Cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Has anyone actually been able to purchase one of the GT propeller larger spinners? I know they are being advertised. But no one has them and from what I've been able to determine, no dealer has been able to get them either. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD VOLKER To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Use a larger MT type prop/spinner to duct the air better. GT propellers just came out with a similar size spinner for the v530 prop that should also do the trick. It will also allow a proper dynamic balance of this prop. Rick Volker On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:48 AM, SC wrote: My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 04:04:08 PM PST US
    From: Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
    Subject: Re: Russian attitude gyro
    Look out the window On Jun 24, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Jon Boede wrote: > Is the Russian one basically the same as the Chinese one in the CJ? > > My friend's CJ has a "lazy" attitude indicator in the front... gets > confused by acro very easily. What's the fix for that? > > Jon > > From: dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Russian attitude gyro > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:26:57 -0500 > > Anyone needing a Russian attitude/horizon gyro, fully operational, > contact me off-list. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-2141 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: yakworld1 > www.yak-52.com > <://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator.matronics.com/contribution > ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 04:06:34 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 18T
    Excellent Chris. I'm sure there will be many people interested in your post on the status of the spinners. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Wise To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T G'Day Dennis. I sell GT props here in Australia. The prop is, without doubt, a far smoother prop and does offer more performance, in the climb, in the cruise and is a very noticeable improvement in aerobatics. But I cannot lay my hands on one of these spinners. I have customers for them and cannot yet supply. I this morning have send GT Propellers an email, in red, Asking for update on the spinners. I shall post the reply. Cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Has anyone actually been able to purchase one of the GT propeller larger spinners? I know they are being advertised. But no one has them and from what I've been able to determine, no dealer has been able to get them either. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD VOLKER To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 18T Use a larger MT type prop/spinner to duct the air better. GT propellers just came out with a similar size spinner for the v530 prop that should also do the trick. It will also allow a proper dynamic balance of this prop. Rick Volker On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:48 AM, SC wrote: My Yak 18T last flew when she was in Russia. Rather a shock for her to face the Summer heat of Virginia this week ' 100 to 105 F. We have had some problems with high CHT when climbing and it has been hard to reach figures below 200 C (orange sector). Has anybody ideas of how we can keep in the green with these ambient temps. Thanks. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:35:54 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: Oil and Radials
    Eric, Copy Thanks Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials Doc, I believe the SAE60 part of the range (viscosity at high temps) would make it equal to 120, and low temp viscosity (SAE 25) would make it equivalent to 50 weight oil (very thin). A great thing if it works right, which it seems to. On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote: Walt my mistake. The Phillips site says it is equivalent to 120 ? Not much info on that site. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials Doc; Phillips X/C 25W60 is not semi-synthetic. The only aviation semi-synthetic that I know of is Aeroshell 15W50. The Precision Engines letter was excellent in that it explained in detail the reason for the caution notes in the P&W SB. I totally agree that 15W50 and 20W50 should not be used in radial engines (and I would include the smaller ones). 25W60 on the other hand is probably OK for the small radials. It is nominally equivalent to 120 at higher temperatures (60 SAE = 120 SUS) though this is probably degraded by the ashless dispersant and viscosity modifier additives. Maybe the end result puts it closer to 100 SUS ? Don't know for sure but the P&W SB does recommend the use of a higher number with additives. The only disappointment in the Precision letter was no reference to the performance of 25W60. Walt -- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials Why would 100 W not be appropriate for the M-14? I currently am running a multi-grade though..Phillips 25 W 60 semi-synthetic. Sounds like I need to back to AeroShell 100 W. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:47 PM Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Oil and Radials G'Day All, I received this article the other day. A "good oil" article. Some of you have no doubt read this, but I thought that it is well worth forwarding. Cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivor <mailto:tmo34003@bigpond.net.au> Paech Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Fw: Oil and Radials Cop this and pass it on....!! And thanks for Friday night. You are getting the hang of it. Toof ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracey McFarlane <mailto:tracey.mcfarlane@mcfarlane.net.au> <mailto:gary_wendy@internode.on.net> Bradley & Wendy Wills' Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: Oil and Radials No so appropriate for the little ones, but interesting anyway. http://www.precisionengines.com/pdf/oilBulletin.pdf _____ www.avg.com 18:35:00 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 08:20:00 PM PST US
    Subject: July 3rd Florida RPA guys
    From: cjpilot710@AOL.COM
    Attention Florida RPA guys. Like to get volunteers for a 3 or 4 ship formation set for opening ceremon y on Saturday July 3rd. 1100hrs. This is for a Tea Party ralley and Independence Day celebration over the Palatka Water Front Band Shell (5nm ESE of 28J). Suggest either Flagler or 28J as departure point. 28J (Kay Larkin) would be better since we would not have to put up with a tower, plus the fuel is always cheaper. Thisis for the opening ceremony, which should be a very short flight but a chance to brush/training up on formation. Details on contacting me off list. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby




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