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1. 12:41 AM - Re: Hot Offer For Nanchang CJ6 Parts (lou)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Yak-18T Spinner (Roger Kemp M.D.)
3. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Extra fuel for 50s (Roger Kemp M.D.)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: Solid State Ignition (MSD) (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 12:47 PM - (delfin)
6. 01:37 PM - CJ's (Kelley Monroe)
7. 11:35 PM - Re: Solid State Ignition (MSD) (Jan Mevis)
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Offer For Nanchang CJ6 Parts |
please emaile me prices of nanchang parts.
Regards Lou
On 8/07/2010 3:41 PM, Nanchang CJ6 wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Nanchang CJ6"<lcdzkj@live.cn>
>
> P/N Des.
> 1 SBL-40 inverter
> 2 SBL-53 inverter
> 3 QDF-1 Compressed air solenoid valve
> 4 1J-S34-1
> 5 GZ-14 Tachometer transmitter
> 6 H2-6121-106 fuel filter cup
> 8 H2-6904-00 fixing pin
> 9 H2-6901-320 rubber bushes
> 10 GWR-1 Resistor temperature sensor
> 11 H2-3700-00-1 Flap hinge
> 12 H2-3204-20 Trim hinge
> 14 H2-9840-100A Air charging hose
> 15 Airfield power cable
> 18 H2-5522-00 Emergency air valve
> 19 H2-4230-40 Front gear uplock
> 20 H2-4130-50 Main gear uplock
> 21 H2-9830-400 Air charging tool with manometer
> 22 GR-8 Thermocouple
> P/N Eng Des.
> 1 12-5522-00 Double action valve
> 2 H2-5522-00 Emergency valve
> 3 H2-5503-00 Check Valve
> 4 H2-5523-00 Hose
> 5 H2-5524-00 Hose
> 6 H2-5526-00 Hose
> 7 H2-5532-00/3 Hose
> 8 H2-5532-00/5 Hose
> 9 H2-1030-100 Anti-Dust Cover
> 10 H2-0109-110 Seat pad
> 11 H2-7510-90 Seat pad
> 12 HB2-30B Pin
> 13 BM5GB62 Nut
> 14 GB1018-20 Washer
> 15 H2-9850-900 Oil Table
> 16 H2-9850-100 Screw Jack
> 17 H2-9820-200 Screw Jack
> 18 H2-9810-200 Screw Jack
> 19 H2-9820-300 Control Lock
> 20 H2-9820-400 Control Lock
> 21 H2-9260-10 Cover
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-18T Spinner |
I paid $1200 for mine from Termikus 5 years ago.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beezhold
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-18T Spinner
Thank you all for the great feedback and insights into the Yak-18T spinner
question. It sounds like the vibration/timing risks can be readily
addressed, as well as the removal/installation time. I see prices quoted
from $2200 (all new GT Propeller design) to $4000 (a new Hartzell spinner
for the UTVA-66). Does anyone have a lead on a source for a "stock" 18T
spinner? Or price? I would think they would run less than the ones cited
above. Let me know. Thanks again!
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TJB
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel for 50s |
Hey Berry,
I started to do exactly that when I had my tanks out to fix a prop governor
cable issue. After doing a cardboard cutout of the space and running the
derivation I discovered I could get 52 gallons of fuel. In that space. It
will take some sheet metal modification to create the D shaped box to
support the bladder. A few more details to work out and like I said I am not
starting that until this winter. Would like to keep flying for now. Besides,
it is hot a hell in my hanger now. Not much fun working with sweat in your
eyes constantly.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of barryhancock
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Extra fuel for 50s
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
I'm pretty sure the Deer Valley guys have something for the -50's as well.
I have a bloused tank in mine good for about 7 extra gallons....reality is I
wish I had more tho'.
Happy Flying,
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Solid State Ignition (MSD) |
David, totally upgrading the whole system is the best way to go. Go
right ahead and do it. It only costs money.
That said, do not denigrate a mechanical contact (points) that handles a
low voltage at low RPM. The points in there now actually have primary
current flowing through them. They can arc, they can pit. When used
just to provide a trigger ground, they don't arc, they do not pit, but
they will indeed eventually wear out and have to be replaced. If anyone
wants to rip the guts out of the mag and put in a Hall Effect sensor,
they are welcome to do so.
I don't know if Dennis is going to run with it or not actually, but I
gave him the idea if he wants to mess with it.
Keep something in mind. Putting in a MSD-6AL firing a high performance
coil results in a HUGE spark. Putting in a modern trigger for the
control unit doesn't change that output one little bit. Leaving the
original mechanisms in there also allows mags that have advance systems
to keep working. It also means an average guy can go out and buy this
thing and put it in himself in less than a day.
This is a fully functioning electronic ignition system for a few hundred
dollars. Of course there are lots of ways to make it even more modern,
and to bring it totally into the 21st century! Just keep pumping in
$$$$ and you can make it do anything you want, anyway you want.
That's why I posted the basic concept.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 19:51
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Solid State Ignition (MSD)
That's a very good start, Mark and I'm glad Dennis is running with it.
Just a thought....why not get rid of the points at the same time and
substitute a suitable sized lobe sensing module for the trigger and go
full electronic ?
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yak Pilot" <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Solid State Ignition (MSD)
>
>
> Gents (and one or two Ladies),
>
> I had an idea some time back to develop and promote a quasi solid
state ignition system for M-14 engines. With my background in
> car engines and my limited experience with M-14 engines, I saw an area
where possibly the two technologies could come together.
>
> Couple this with the current lack of mag coils for our engine... this
idea led me to look into designing and operating a prototype,
> which in fact I did. I have decided not to pursue this idea because
of lack of time and the fact that I do not have a very good
> business sense. I have handed this idea and detailed info on how to
accomplish it to Dennis Savareese, who of course is the
> original gent who did all the research and design work on the high
performance automobile ignition system that so many of us have
> used and value so highly.
>
> I have decided to post this information here for all to use should
they have a desire to, because sooner or later the gist of it
> will become public and for nothing else, I would indeed at least like
to get the credit for thinking of it first.
>
> One of the best automobile ignition systems for racing cars today is
the MSD (Multiple Spark Discharge) ignition system. As it
> turns out, their MSD-6AL system will run off of 24 volts DC with no
modifications. It has only ONE requirement for 12 volts, and
> that is the turn on signal that comes in the white wire and that is
very low current. Figuring out how to do that is pretty easy,
> so I am not going into it here.
>
> A standard high performance ignition coil from MSD can be used which
is powered directly from the MSD-6AL unit.
>
> The MSD box needs a trigger, which is easily provided by the existing
points that are internal to the existing M-9 mag.
>
> The hookup is pretty simple. Take your right mag out and remove the
mag coil. You now have a spare mag coil. Route the high
> voltage output wire of the MSD automotive coil into the mag and
connect it to the cigarette stub where the secondary of the
> original mag coil hooked to. It is possible to do this by going
through the original P lead input connection on the M-9 mag.
> Bring the wire out from the mags internal points anyway you feel like
it and hook it to the trigger input wire on the MSD-6AL
> system.
>
> That's pretty much it. You now have a solid state multiple spark
discharge system operating on your right mag, which also happens
> to be your lower plugs. The lower plugs tend to foul more often than
the upper plugs, and the MSD system will tend to burn these
> deposits right off immediately after starting.
>
> The engine will still use the shower of sparks system on the left mag
for starting, but should that fail, you can turn on just the
> right mag and start off the MSD system easily.
>
> The MSD system runs off your aircrafts electrical system. Thus should
your electrical system fail, you will lose ignition on your
> right side.
>
> It would be possible to use this system on BOTH mags, and install a
backup battery for emergencies, but I applied the KISS
> principle to this original design. Once you see all the options
available, there is a ton of additional things that can be done
> with a little imagination.
>
> I am not recommending that everyone go out and do this. It is an
OPTION. Something to keep in the back of your mind. But it
> works. I've tried it.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
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I have a couple of YAK questions that I hope-someone can help out with=0A
=0AThe original battery appears to be a 12 SAM23-- , Russian design. Is
there an =0AOddesey or other strong battery that will fit into the area wi
thout major =0Amodification?=0A=0AI am also looking for a english version o
f the complete Russian inspection plan =0Afor the annual. Can I-find this
on the web/---=0A=0AI need to have the front turn/bank rate of climb
DA-30K- repaired . Is there any =0AUS source for this.- Its sticking
=0A=0AI have a small leak in the emergency air system and I am looking for
the check =0Avalve for the YAK 52 (new) any ideas on this--- (the CJ
one requires a mod)=0A=0Athanks=0A-=0AEmail: L29delfin@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A=0A=0A
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I am look for a CJ project. If you have one please contact me off list
at kelmonroe@comcat.net. Thanks Kelley Monroe
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| Subject: | Solid State Ignition (MSD) |
It's all very correct what you write, Mark. I'm still working on a system too.
One important thing to mention, obvious to you and me, but easily overlooked: do
not use an advanced electronic system with the original Russian wiring harness.
The much higher energy (and voltage) will definitely cause problems. You have
to change to the racing ignition cables, and better spark plugs (Champion
REL37B, or the much cheaper automotive plugs).As a matter of fact, I think that
the installation of Dennis' wiring kit already does 70 % of what you can get
out of it. Without it, it's useless thinking of advanced electronic stuff.
Only my 2 cents,
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
Sent: donderdag 8 juli 2010 12:47
Subject: Yak-List: Solid State Ignition (MSD)
Gents (and one or two Ladies),
I had an idea some time back to develop and promote a quasi solid state ignition
system for M-14 engines. With my background in car engines and my limited experience
with M-14 engines, I saw an area where possibly the two technologies
could come together.
Couple this with the current lack of mag coils for our engine this idea led me
to look into designing and operating a prototype, which in fact I did. I have
decided not to pursue this idea because of lack of time and the fact that I do
not have a very good business sense. I have handed this idea and detailed info
on how to accomplish it to Dennis Savareese, who of course is the original
gent who did all the research and design work on the high performance automobile
ignition system that so many of us have used and value so highly.
I have decided to post this information here for all to use should they have a
desire to, because sooner or later the gist of it will become public and for nothing
else, I would indeed at least like to get the credit for thinking of it
first.
One of the best automobile ignition systems for racing cars today is the MSD (Multiple
Spark Discharge) ignition system. As it turns out, their MSD-6AL system
will run off of 24 volts DC with no modifications. It has only ONE requirement
for 12 volts, and that is the turn on signal that comes in the white wire
and that is very low current. Figuring out how to do that is pretty easy, so
I am not going into it here.
A standard high performance ignition coil from MSD can be used which is powered
directly from the MSD-6AL unit.
The MSD box needs a trigger, which is easily provided by the existing points that
are internal to the existing M-9 mag.
The hookup is pretty simple. Take your right mag out and remove the mag coil.
You now have a spare mag coil. Route the high voltage output wire of the MSD
automotive coil into the mag and connect it to the cigarette stub where the secondary
of the original mag coil hooked to. It is possible to do this by going
through the original P lead input connection on the M-9 mag. Bring the wire
out from the mags internal points anyway you feel like it and hook it to the
trigger input wire on the MSD-6AL system.
Thats pretty much it. You now have a solid state multiple spark discharge system
operating on your right mag, which also happens to be your lower plugs. The
lower plugs tend to foul more often than the upper plugs, and the MSD system
will tend to burn these deposits right off immediately after starting.
The engine will still use the shower of sparks system on the left mag for starting,
but should that fail, you can turn on just the right mag and start off the
MSD system easily.
The MSD system runs off your aircrafts electrical system. Thus should your electrical
system fail, you will lose ignition on your right side.
It would be possible to use this system on BOTH mags, and install a backup battery
for emergencies, but I applied the KISS principle to this original design.
Once you see all the options available, there is a ton of additional things that
can be done with a little imagination.
I am not recommending that everyone go out and do this. It is an OPTION. Something
to keep in the back of your mind. But it works. Ive tried it.
Mark Bitterlich
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