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1. 01:32 AM - Banner towing (Jay McIntyre)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Banner towing (Herb Coussons)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Banner towing (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Starter sequence M14 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 08:40 AM - Re: Banner towing (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: Banner towing (Warren Hill)
7. 09:48 AM - OSH '10 Options (John Cox)
8. 10:00 AM - Re: Banner towing (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
9. 10:35 AM - Re: Banner towing (Warren Hill)
10. 07:33 PM - Re: Banner towing (bill wade)
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Hi all...
Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing rig on a CJ (or Yak)?
Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a customer has posed
the question!
regards, Jay
New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Banner towing |
All I know is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and even
though it was approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in the
OL's. Also since it is a commercial activity I as told it was off
limits in an expermental exhibition. I assume the same is true in a Yak
or CJ.
Herb
On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
> Hi all...
> Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing rig on a CJ (or
Yak)?
> Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a customer has
posed the question!
>
> regards, Jay
> New Zealand
>
>
>
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc@wscare.com
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
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| Subject: | Re: Banner towing |
100% correct Herb.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Coussons
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
All I know is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and even
though it was approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in the
OL's. Also since it is a commercial activity I as told it was off
limits in an expermental exhibition. I assume the same is true in a Yak
or CJ.
Herb
On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
Hi all...
Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing rig on a CJ
(or Yak)?
Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a customer has
posed the question!
regards, Jay
New Zealand
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc@wscare.com
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
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| Subject: | RE: Starter sequence M14 |
That info was pulled from a direct translation of the M-14 manual written the folks
who made the engine.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
Mark
No worries. Thank you for your efforts , and we will perservere with this thing.
Nothing cannot be fixed, eventually. Your information is indeed different to
what we had been told, so we will concentrate on around 12 degrees.
Cheers
Bill
________________________________
From: yakplt@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
Again Bill, sorry for assuming you were in the United States. Personally, I have
to tell you that I enjoyed Australia more than any place I have ever been in
my life, and that includes a whole lot of places. I was up in Nowra and made
friends with a lot of wonderful folks, so the last thing I want to do is be
a wise-ass to a person who lives in a place I'd like to come back and visit!
The air distributor is set very much like when timing the mags. You want to set
the engine to 12 degrees after top dead center referencing the master cylinder,
which is of course cylinder number 4. Again, set the engine to 12 degrees
AFTER top dead center on cylinder number four!
Now adjust the the air distributor so that the slide valve will open the supply
of air to the number four cylinder by 1 mm.
That's the best I can do to help you. I hope it is enough.
Mark
--- On Sat, 7/10/10, Bill Lang <billlang@live.com.au> wrote:
From: Bill Lang <billlang@live.com.au>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>, "Tim Windsor" <fly@topredwarbirds.com.au>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:09 AM
Thanks Mark,
Unfortunately getting Vlad or Dennis to Sydney is a bit beyond my budget.
I think our next move will be to rig the Scuba air bottle directly to the spider
valve and make small adjustments and port air directly into the spider at each
correction. That at least will save reassembly of all components as we try
and turn the engine over, and eliminate in all cases any potential problems upstream.
Bill
Still in need of ideas
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:49:46 -0400
> From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
>
> When the air-distributor is out of alignment or actually bad, the prop will
tend to move a little bit, sometimes actually rotate backwards, and then stop
and oscillate with air coming out the exhaust. This sounds to me like exactly
what is happening to you. It was mentioned that adjusting this thing is "no big
deal". You need to hire that person and have them fix it for you!
>
> I have seen three Russian mechanics flail around with this thing for hours,
and for them, it was indeed quite a BIG deal.
>
> If your mechanic can not do it, I am guessing you are going to have to hire
someone to come out and do it for you. Recommend Vladimir Yastremski, or Dennis.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
> P.s. One other really long shot possibility. Has ANYONE messed around with the
Tach Generator timing housing? Have they taken the tach generator off, or messed
around inside of that area? It is remotely possible that if they have, there
is a gear missing from inside that assy, that actually turns the air starting
distributor. In other words, make darn sure the air-distributor is actually
TURNING when you turn the prop by hand.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:45 AM
> To: Yak List; Tim Windsor
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
>
>
> Pleading to anybody with detailed advice on how to get my M14P starter to start
my M14P
>
> Below is the correspondence so far that you good folks have provided. We have
tried several settings on the starter spider, but to no success. The prop turns
a few pots, quite slowly it seems, but then stops or scillates, or blows air
out the exhaust
>
> We have access to plenty of air. We have tried direct air to the spider, eliminating
all upstream equipment. We have tried 4, 6 8 12 degrees and still the
prop waffles around. The engine starts first pull manually and is NEW, with only
50 hours on it. The starter has never worked on this engine. We are now driven
to distraction as a change in setting of the spider is very time consuming
as you may know. Any thoughts?
>
> Once the engine is warm, the engine (I am told) started first go WITH the air
starter. Now this may be because;
>
> 1. engine warm and very easy to start on first rotation or
> 2. maybe on a cold engine, valves are sticking cold, and are freed once warmed.
but
>
> Mechanic has done cold compression test and all pots exceed required compression
limits
>
> Just a tought but is it possible for valves to stick on a cold engine and still
show good compression on a compression test? I don't want to throw in a red
herring
>
> We are stumped
>
> Any thoughts suggestions instructions (any from left field) most welcome
>
> Helpppp!!
>
> Bill
> ...............................................................................................................................................................
>
> Bill,
>
>
> Prop degrees for Housai is 9 degrees, for M14P 8 degrees, both on #4 cylinder
after TDC.
>
>
> Gill
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
> The mechanic is working on the spider now. He asked me to ask if anyone knows
the number of degrees of prop rotation from TDC to set the spider at, or any
other advice for setting it. The instuctions from the M14 manual are a bit ambiguous.
(no access to Housai Manual)
>
> Bill
>
>
> _____
>
> From: gill.g(at)gpimail.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 09:54:17 -0700
>
> If you have access to a Housai manual, it provides better instructions as it
has a diagram. The difference relates to prop gearing. I have reset mine twice
after engine disassembly and it's not a big deal.
>
>
> Gill
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:50 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
>
>
> GOOD FOR YOU! Good job in finding the proper task cards!
>
>
> Let me run my mouth one last time. First, adjusting this thing is a real pain
in the ass. It is hard to get to the nuts and stuff to remove it, it requires
you to get the engine set up perfectly, and then insert the thing back in and
tighten it down. I have been involved in adjusting it twice, and it was a real
ass kicker.
>
>
> Next... make darn sure... let me correct that: MAKE DAMN SURE that you know
this is the problem before you remove it from the engine and start trying to re-adjust
it. Once you remove it, you have no choice but to finish the job.
>
>
> I am not kidding when I tell you that a flow restriction in the air system will
cause the exact same problem that you are reporting.
>
>
> Yes, it is most likely that someone messed with this in the past, and just could
never get it right again, and this is what you have wrong now. (I.E.
> A misadjusted Air Distributor) The odds are good that this is your problem,
but as a Tech Rep, my mind always considers the alternatives and you can never
rule out ANYTHING unless you verify it as a "known good". That said, if your
AIR FLOW to this unit is low, it will do the exact same thing you are now reporting.
>
>
> That said, if I was there, I would take my nitrogen bottle with a good regulator
and would connect it DIRECTLY to the line going to the air distributor and
would set it to 730 PSI and would see what happened when I turned it on. If
the engine does the exact same thing, then you are sure that the distributor is
the problem. However, if the engine spins right around perfectly, then you can
STOP RIGHT THERE and say "BOY OH BOY IT IS NOT THE AIR DISTRIBUTOR" and you
have saved yourself one HUGE amount of work.
>
>
> Consider this advice carefully.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Bill Lang wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Lang
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:12 PM
>
> Mark
> Further to my last.. found the ref on George's web site M14 maint Manual, task
card 204. Hope my guy can do it.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:53:38 -0400
> > From: mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil
> > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> MALS-14 64E"
> >
> >
> >
> > MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
> >
> > This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
> >
> > There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
> > has to be JUST right.
> >
> > I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly, I believe he has
> > the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
> > maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web site.
> > His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
> >
> > It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees,
> > SAD TO SAY! Without the instructions, I have seen people mess with
> > this thing for days. DAYS!
> >
> > Just FYI, the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to
> > make the piston move. When it is perfectly set up, it not only puts
> > air into one cylinder to push the piston down, it also sends air to
> > the lower cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil
> > that is in there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed
> > PERFECTLY to the engine, just like the ignition distributor on your
> > car, or the mag on your airplane. Please excuse the language on the
> > net, but it is a real SOB to adjust.
> >
> > I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you, or have
> > them memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing
> > with it until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand
> > them perfectly.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:30 AM
> > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52
> > that has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was installed.
> > It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
> > cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start, and then air appears to
> > blow straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns backwards.
> > Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My
> > mechanic and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and found
a fix.
> > Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the
> > spider that was overlooked by the original mechanics
> >
> > Taa
> >
> > Bill
>
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Has anyone had any success at all in getting any original Operating
Limitations removed?
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
100% correct Herb.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Coussons <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
All I know is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and
even though it was approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in
the OL's. Also since it is a commercial activity I as told it was off
limits in an expermental exhibition. I assume the same is true in a Yak
or CJ.
Herb
On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
Hi all...
Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing
rig on a CJ (or Yak)?
Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a
customer has posed the question!
regards, Jay
New Zealand
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc@wscare.com
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
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| Subject: | Re: Banner towing |
Mark,
Yes. I was able to work with the local FSDO. When he came out and did my inspection
at the end of last year, we took the opportunity to delete some of the original
operating limitations from 2001. He also added one or two others that he
said were since mandated.
My guess is that if you want to have your limitations changed, it will require
a new inspection and some time on the phone with the FSDO inspector beforehand.
Warren Hill
On Jul 12, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any success at all in getting any original Operating
> Limitations removed?
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:43 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>
> 100% correct Herb.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Coussons <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>
> All I know is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and
> even though it was approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in
> the OL's. Also since it is a commercial activity I as told it was off
> limits in an expermental exhibition. I assume the same is true in a Yak
> or CJ.
>
> Herb
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
>
>
> Hi all...
> Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing
> rig on a CJ (or Yak)?
> Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a
> customer has posed the question!
>
> regards, Jay
> New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> drc@wscare.com
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay, WI 54311
> Cell 920-639-8434
> Work 920-338-6868
> Fax 920-338-6869
>
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Thanks for writing Warren.
You said: "When he came out and did my inspection at the end of last
year, we took the opportunity to delete some of the original operating
limitations from 2001"
Could you please elaborate on that? What "inspection" was being
performed? Who in fact changed the operating limitations? Your Safety
Inspector? What limitations were removed and which added?
My info to date (EAA, AOPA, Legal people) tell me that no FAA FSDO may
"add" to the list of Operating Limitations unless you desire them to be
added. My local FSDO indeed added to mine and I objected to it, quoted
what the EAA had told me, and they immediately took those additions out.
So there seems to at least be some truth to the issue of not adding any.
When I broached the issue about REMOVING certain Operating Limitations,
the local FSDO said that they would have to submit that to "Higher
Authority".
It seems the central theme to all of the discussions concerning the FAA
is that there just is no uniformity. They really do act like little
"Fiefdoms" when it comes to what one allows, and the next one does not.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Warren Hill
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
Mark,
Yes. I was able to work with the local FSDO. When he came out and did my
inspection at the end of last year, we took the opportunity to delete
some of the original operating limitations from 2001. He also added one
or two others that he said were since mandated.
My guess is that if you want to have your limitations changed, it will
require a new inspection and some time on the phone with the FSDO
inspector beforehand.
Warren Hill
On Jul 12, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Has anyone had any success at all in getting any original Operating
> Limitations removed?
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:43 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>
> 100% correct Herb.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Coussons <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>
> All I know is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and
even
> though it was approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in the
> OL's. Also since it is a commercial activity I as told it was off
> limits in an expermental exhibition. I assume the same is true in a
> Yak or CJ.
>
> Herb
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
>
>
> Hi all...
> Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing
rig on a CJ
> (or Yak)?
> Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a
customer has
> posed the question!
>
> regards, Jay
> New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> drc@wscare.com
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay, WI 54311
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> Work 920-338-6868
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Mark,
I would have to go back an look at my original operating limitations for specifics.
When I bought my CJ last year, I started a dialog with the FSDO regarding paperwork.
My contact there told me I had to be issued a new special airworthiness
certificate. With this came a review of my original operating limitations (which
were a horrible mess) and he even asked for my input. We exchanged several
e-mails with my ideas as to what should be taken out, inaccuracies and redundancies
cleaned up, etc. When he came to my hanger to do the inspection, he had
the new set of operating limitations which were very close to what I asked for,
as well as what he said were "mandates" from a recent order. Most of the inspection
was going through my logbooks and looking at serial numbers. Very pleasant
experience, nothing weird and certainly nothing confrontational. He actually
did a good job of cleaning up my original paperwork, which was beyond confusing.
>From previous posts, I can see that not everyone has had this kind of experience
with their local FSDO.
Warren
On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
wrote:
>
> Thanks for writing Warren.
>
> You said: "When he came out and did my inspection at the end of last
> year, we took the opportunity to delete some of the original operating
> limitations from 2001"
>
> Could you please elaborate on that? What "inspection" was being
> performed? Who in fact changed the operating limitations? Your Safety
> Inspector? What limitations were removed and which added?
>
> My info to date (EAA, AOPA, Legal people) tell me that no FAA FSDO may
> "add" to the list of Operating Limitations unless you desire them to be
> added. My local FSDO indeed added to mine and I objected to it, quoted
> what the EAA had told me, and they immediately took those additions out.
> So there seems to at least be some truth to the issue of not adding any.
>
>
> When I broached the issue about REMOVING certain Operating Limitations,
> the local FSDO said that they would have to submit that to "Higher
> Authority".
>
> It seems the central theme to all of the discussions concerning the FAA
> is that there just is no uniformity. They really do act like little
> "Fiefdoms" when it comes to what one allows, and the next one does not.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Warren Hill
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:10 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>
>
> Mark,
>
> Yes. I was able to work with the local FSDO. When he came out and did my
> inspection at the end of last year, we took the opportunity to delete
> some of the original operating limitations from 2001. He also added one
> or two others that he said were since mandated.
>
> My guess is that if you want to have your limitations changed, it will
> require a new inspection and some time on the phone with the FSDO
> inspector beforehand.
>
> Warren Hill
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E wrote:
>
>> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Has anyone had any success at all in getting any original Operating
>> Limitations removed?
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
>> Savarese
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:43 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>>
>> 100% correct Herb.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Herb Coussons <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
>>
>> All I know is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and
> even
>> though it was approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in the
>> OL's. Also since it is a commercial activity I as told it was off
>> limits in an expermental exhibition. I assume the same is true in a
>> Yak or CJ.
>>
>> Herb
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all...
>> Just wondering if anyone has ever put a banner towing
> rig on a CJ
>> (or Yak)?
>> Personally I don't really want to know about it, but a
> customer has
>> posed the question!
>>
>> regards, Jay
>> New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
>> drc@wscare.com
>> 2641 Development Drive
>> Green Bay, WI 54311
>> Cell 920-639-8434
>> Work 920-338-6868
>> Fax 920-338-6869
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Sure Mark got that 300 mile thing removed and no night flying removed and n
o =0Ainstrument fling removed just had to find the proper inspector he did
want to =0Asee the airplane and paperwork. Warren just think of the lousy i
nspector the =0Aprevious owner had if the OL was as screwed up as you said,
so what did the =0Ainspector add and remove?=0ABill Wade =0AYak 52=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV D
et Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" =0A<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0ATo: yak-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, July 12, 2010 11:39:15 AM=0ASubject: RE: Yak-Lis
IV Det Cherry Point, =0AMALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0A=0AHas an
yone had any success at all in getting any original Operating=0ALimitations
removed?- =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro
m: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matr
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8:43 AM=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing
=0A=0A100% correct Herb.=0ADennis=0A=0A--- ----- Original Message ---
-- =0A--- From: Herb Coussons <mailto:drc@wscare.com>- =0A---
To: yak-list@matronics.com =0A--- Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:33 A
M=0A--- Subject: Re: Yak-List: Banner towing=0A=0A--- All I kno
w is - I had a Wilga 35 (experimental exhibition) and=0Aeven though it was
approved for such in the POH, I could not get it in=0Athe OL's.- Also sin
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- Herb=0A=0A=0A--- On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:30 AM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
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