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1. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: CJ6A serial numbers (doug sapp)
2. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts (Yak Pilot)
3. 05:06 PM - Re: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug? (Yak Pilot)
4. 05:45 PM - Re: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug? (Yak Pilot)
5. 06:57 PM - Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts (Nanchang CJ6)
6. 06:57 PM - Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts (Nanchang CJ6)
7. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Starter sequence M14 (Bill Lang)
8. 11:05 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
9. 11:09 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A serial numbers |
Shenyang I think, my Yak 18 was assembled there (from Russian parts).
Doug
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, CJcanuck <m_kirk69@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> If factory code '320' is the factory in Nanchang, does anyone know where
> factory '512' was located?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307013#307013
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| Subject: | Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts |
First, I fully concur with Dennis, who knows more about YAK's and CJ's than
I do.- .
-
Second, even if a part happened to cost more than someone else, I would sti
ll purchase it from Doug.- This is a very small community.- Doug ignore
s this and prices his parts fairly.- If Doug folds and goes out of busine
ss, there are some folks out there that will use their new monopoly to goug
e the living daylights out of all of us.- Make no mistake about that.-
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There is a common ethic amoung a lot of us that who-ever provides the cheap
est price, ....that is the person- "I" -am going to purchase from.- B
IG MISTAKE.-
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Penny wise, dollar foolish.- DITTO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And that is all I am going to say.-
-
Mark Bitterlich
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--- On Sat, 7/31/10, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote
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From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts
Buy and support Doug Sapp.- He's invested thousands and thousands of doll
ars buying and stocking parts to support the CJ and Yak community.- Doug'
s always there when you need him and he's one of THE best resources you'll
ever find.-- Even if this person were less expensive, which I seriously
doubt, you will never be able to duplicate the infinite number of ways Dou
g supports our community.
-
As the saying goes, "don't be penny wise and pound foolish".
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: elmar.h@shaw.ca
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 2:28 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts
Did anybody from the list ever
buy parts from those guys?
Is that a reliable CJ parts supplier,
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| Subject: | Re: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug? |
If anyone really cares, I have done both.- I have the standard General Av
iation microphone and headphone jacks so I can plug in a David Clark headse
t with ease, and I also ha
--- On Thu, 7/29/10, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote
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From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug?
You will be much better off installing the standard GA headphone and mic ja
cks.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: ssssskippy
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:20 AM
Subject: Yak-List: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug?
Hi
As you should know, the standard Russian headsets are horrible!
I would like to plug my GA Headsets on the plane but I would prefer to keep
the original Russian plugs on the plane. So I need to build an adaptor to g
o
from Russian (5 pins)to western audio plugs.
Has someone the picture of the wiring I have to make to achieve this
adaptor?
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| Subject: | Re: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug? |
=C2-
Apparently YAHOO mail has some strange key combination that sends the messa
ge before I meant to, and I have unintentionally discovered it!=C2- Let m
e try again.=C2-
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=C2-
If anyone really cares, I have done both.=C2- I have the standard General
Aviation microphone and headphone jacks so I can plug in a David Clark hea
dset with ease, and I also have put in a standard military helicopter conne
ctor as has been described here.=C2- Basically the two are in parallel so
that I can use either.=C2-
=C2-
Be wary of military headsets (U.S. Military anyway) due to the fact that th
ey are the wrong impedence for the Russian Radios.=C2- There are in fact
=9Cadapter cords=9D that allow their use if anyone wants detail
s, I will send them to anyone interested.=C2- Rob Rowe has also done a lo
t of investigation on this issue, and I suggest that anyone interested cont
act him directly, especially for Balkan 5 model radios used in the 52.=C2
-=C2-
=C2-
As to bailing out:=C2- Having worked with both of these connector sets fo
r most of my life, I have to say that there is not going to be much differe
nce.=C2- Yes, I do agree that having just one connector makes it easier t
o disconnect versus two, the fact is that pulling that ONE connector out of
the socket takes a considerable amount of force.=C2- The smartest course
of action is to simply take your headset OFF before bailing out.=C2- If
the situation does not allow that, it will more than likely just be yanked
off your head anyway.=C2- I can tell you from personal experience that if
you use a standard headset and try some inverted spins, the dang thing jus
t flies off your head so fast your would not believe it, and then manages t
o disappear into parts unknown.=C2- That is why you should wear a cranial
cloth that mounts the headset and then with a strap under your chin holds
it on.=C2- THEN you will not pull it off your head, but will instead pull
the plug out of the
socket.=C2- Believe me, that small wire cord is not going to keep you in
the cockpit when 200 pounds of human being decides to bail out, whether it
be one plug or two.=C2-
=C2-
Unless you are competing in serious IAC competitions, this issue is getting
to be a little over the top, just my 2 cents.=C2- I=99d like to as
k.. just how many of us are doing that?=C2- How many of us are flying YAK
-52=99s, YAK-50=99s, CJ-6A=99s in IAC boxes and doing act
ual competition?=C2- My guess is not many.=C2- Most of the folks here a
re doing formation Red Star events, so how many plugs are on the headsets i
s just too much over the top.
=C2-
Mark Bitterlich
=C2-
p.s.=C2- As to figuring out which wire goes where... there are two wires
for the headset and two for the microphone.
=C2-
Microphone audio has voltage on it when you key the radio.=C2- Use a mete
r.=C2-Key the radio.=C2- Measure for voltage on one of the wires.=C2-
That will be microphone hot.=C2- Microphone ground is a ground.=C2- Us
e a meter.
=C2-
Headset audio are the other two wires.=C2- Tune in ASOS and put the meter
to AC and look for a voltage.=C2- Failing that, go to a store like Lowes
, and look for their Telephone Tracker combo.=C2- It has an inductive pic
kup probe that will HEAR the audio as you connect it to the headset audio w
ire.=C2- It's=C2-a nice piece of test equipment to have around.=C2- A
bout $70 for the tone tracker and inductive pickup probe.=C2-
=C2-
The mike ground and the headset ground wire basically go to the same ground
ing point.=C2- But if you want to be perfect, use the inductive probe to
figure out the details.=C2-
=C2-
Failing that, hire an Avionics Tech.=C2-
--- On Thu, 7/29/10, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote
:
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug?
You will be much better off installing the standard GA headphone and mic ja
cks.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: ssssskippy
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:20 AM
Subject: Yak-List: how to wire a russian plug to a GA jack 1/4" plug?
Hi
As you should know, the standard Russian headsets are horrible!
I would like to plug my GA Headsets on the plane but I would prefer to keep
the original Russian plugs on the plane. So I need to build an adaptor to g
o
from Russian (5 pins)to western audio plugs.
Has someone the picture of the wiring I have to make to achieve this
adaptor?
Are the wires colors Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics
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| Subject: | Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts |
Hello everyone,frankly speaking,all the parts in the list we have sent to our USA,UK,Australia
and other country's customers.And every customer is much satisfied
with quality and price of our items.We also passed Quality Management System
Certificate which is in the attached file.Please check it.Welcome to work
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| Subject: | Re: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 Aircraft Parts |
Hello everyone,frankly speaking,all the parts in the list we have sent to our USA,UK,Australia
and other country's customers.And every customer is much satisfied
with quality and price of our items.We also passed Quality Management System
Certificate which is in the attached file.Please check it.Welcome to work
together.Hope we can help you.
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| Subject: | RE: Starter sequence M14 |
GDay all
Thank you all for your help. The fault has finally been isolated and fixed
. All of the advice had been used=2C but to no avail. As I said originally
=2C this is a new engine=2C so we were really frustrated in that doing ever
ything by the book=2C it would still turn a few pots and then oscillate. Pr
oblem was eventually traced back to incorrect factory installation of two l
ines from the spider valve being installed on the incorrect cylinders. Who
would have thought the Russians could make that mistake. Friday built engin
e? I hope everything else inside was put together by someone else!
Thanks again
Bill
From: yakplt@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
Dennis=2C it looks like my "translation" version on CD missed a step. Sorr
y about that Bill. But=2C seriously=2C being off 4 degrees should not caus
e that darn thing not to even spin at all.
Bill=2C ... Dennis said: "There is an inner and an outer hole in the air
distributor slider."
Did you catch that?
Mark
--- On Sat=2C 7/17/10=2C A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> w
rote:
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
According to the Task Card 204 in the M14 manual=2C the correct procedure i
s to first position the engine at 12 degrees after TDC on the #4 cylinder.
Then rotate the prop in its normal direction back to 8 degrees after TDC.
This is where you set the air distributor. The instructions in task card
204 say at this point to set the slide to where the inner hole opens for 1
mm. There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Lang
Sent: Saturday=2C July 17=2C 2010 2:18 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
SITREP
12 Degrees off no 4 pot all set. Zero rotation=2C just a loud POP of air as
the starter is pushed. Pull started and ran it for half hour. Expecting so
me rotation with starter=2C but still the POP of air not turning anything.
Very frustrating!!
What is encouraging is that the movement of the spider valve is definitely
effecting the prop movement on start.
8 degrees seemed the best=2C so will fiddle around there maybe.
The Aussie with the 18T and box of matches might like to come over to Cess
nock and do an overnight stocktake for me
Any One Bueller?
Anyone?
Bill
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
> Date: Mon=2C 12 Jul 2010 11:13:19 -0400
> From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
t=2C MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> That info was pulled from a direct translation of the M-14 manual written
the folks who made the engine.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> Sent: Saturday=2C July 10=2C 2010 7:17 PM
> To: Yak List=3B Tim Windsor
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
>
> Mark
>
> No worries. Thank you for your efforts =2C and we will perservere with th
is thing. Nothing cannot be fixed=2C eventually. Your information is indeed
different to what we had been told=2C so we will concentrate on around 12
degrees.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Sat=2C 10 Jul 2010 13:39:26 -0700
> From: yakplt@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Again Bill=2C sorry for assuming you were in the United States. Personall
y=2C I have to tell you that I enjoyed Australia more than any place I have
ever been in my life=2C and that includes a whole lot of places. I was up
in Nowra and made friends with a lot of wonderful folks=2C so the last thin
g I want to do is be a wise-ass to a person who lives in a place I'd like t
o come back and visit!
>
> The air distributor is set very much like when timing the mags. You want
to set the engine to 12 degrees after top dead center referencing the maste
r cylinder=2C which is of course cylinder number 4. Again=2C set the engine
to 12 degrees AFTER top dead center on cylinder number four!
>
> Now adjust the the air distributor so that the slide valve will open the
supply of air to the number four cylinder by 1 mm.
>
> That's the best I can do to help you. I hope it is enough.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Sat=2C 7/10/10=2C Bill Lang <billlang@live.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Bill Lang <billlang@live.com.au>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>=2C "Tim Windsor" <fly@topredwarbi
rds.com.au>
> Date: Saturday=2C July 10=2C 2010=2C 8:09 AM
>
>
> Thanks Mark=2C
>
> Unfortunately getting Vlad or Dennis to Sydney is a bit beyond my budget.
>
> I think our next move will be to rig the Scuba air bottle directly to the
spider valve and make small adjustments and port air directly into the spi
der at each correction. That at least will save reassembly of all component
s as we try and turn the engine over=2C and eliminate in all cases any pote
ntial problems upstream.
>
> Bill
>
> Still in need of ideas
>
>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
> > Date: Fri=2C 9 Jul 2010 11:49:46 -0400
> > From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
int=2C MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > When the air-distributor is out of alignment or actually bad=2C the pro
p will tend to move a little bit=2C sometimes actually rotate backwards=2C
and then stop and oscillate with air coming out the exhaust. This sounds to
me like exactly what is happening to you. It was mentioned that adjusting
this thing is "no big deal". You need to hire that person and have them fix
it for you!
> >
> > I have seen three Russian mechanics flail around with this thing for ho
urs=2C and for them=2C it was indeed quite a BIG deal.
> >
> > If your mechanic can not do it=2C I am guessing you are going to have t
o hire someone to come out and do it for you. Recommend Vladimir Yastremski
=2C or Dennis.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> > P.s. One other really long shot possibility. Has ANYONE messed around w
ith the Tach Generator timing housing? Have they taken the tach generator o
ff=2C or messed around inside of that area? It is remotely possible that if
they have=2C there is a gear missing from inside that assy=2C that actuall
y turns the air starting distributor. In other words=2C make darn sure the
air-distributor is actually TURNING when you turn the prop by hand.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> > Sent: Friday=2C July 09=2C 2010 7:45 AM
> > To: Yak List=3B Tim Windsor
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE: Starter sequence M14
> >
> >
> > Pleading to anybody with detailed advice on how to get my M14P starter
to start my M14P
> >
> > Below is the correspondence so far that you good folks have provided. W
e have tried several settings on the starter spider=2C but to no success. T
he prop turns a few pots=2C quite slowly it seems=2C but then stops or =F6s
cillates=2C or blows air out the exhaust
> >
> > We have access to plenty of air. We have tried direct air to the spider
=2C eliminating all upstream equipment. We have tried 4=2C 6 8 12 degrees a
nd still the prop waffles around. The engine starts first pull manually and
is NEW=2C with only 50 hours on it. The starter has never worked on this e
ngine. We are now driven to distraction as a change in setting of the spide
r is very time consuming as you may know. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Once the engine is warm=2C the engine (I am told) started first go WITH
the air starter. Now this may be because=3B
> >
> > 1. engine warm and very easy to start on first rotation or
> > 2. maybe on a cold engine=2C valves are sticking cold=2C and are freed
once warmed. but
> >
> > Mechanic has done cold compression test and all pots exceed required co
mpression limits
> >
> > Just a tought but is it possible for valves to stick on a cold engine a
nd still show good compression on a compression test? I don't want to throw
in a red herring
> >
> > We are stumped
> >
> > Any thoughts suggestions instructions (any from left field) most welcom
e
> >
> > Helpppp!!
> >
> > Bill
> > .......................................................................
...........................................................................
.............
> >
> > Bill=2C
> >
> >
> > Prop degrees for Housai is 9 degrees=2C for M14P 8 degrees=2C both on #
4 cylinder after TDC.
> >
> >
> > Gill
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C June 02=2C 2010 9:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> >
> >
> > The mechanic is working on the spider now. He asked me to ask if anyone
knows the number of degrees of prop rotation from TDC to set the spider at
=2C or any other advice for setting it. The instuctions from the M14 manual
are a bit ambiguous. (no access to Housai Manual)
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: gill.g(at)gpimail.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> > Date: Fri=2C 9 Apr 2010 09:54:17 -0700
> >
> > If you have access to a Housai manual=2C it provides better instruction
s as it has a diagram. The difference relates to prop gearing. I have reset
mine twice after engine disassembly and it's not a big deal.
> >
> >
> > Gill
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
> > Sent: Thursday=2C April 08=2C 2010 5:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> >
> >
> > GOOD FOR YOU! Good job in finding the proper task cards!
> >
> >
> > Let me run my mouth one last time. First=2C adjusting this thing is a r
eal pain in the ass. It is hard to get to the nuts and stuff to remove it
=2C it requires you to get the engine set up perfectly=2C and then insert t
he thing back in and tighten it down. I have been involved in adjusting it
twice=2C and it was a real ass kicker.
> >
> >
> > Next... make darn sure... let me correct that: MAKE DAMN SURE that you
know this is the problem before you remove it from the engine and start try
ing to re-adjust it. Once you remove it=2C you have no choice but to finish
the job.
> >
> >
> > I am not kidding when I tell you that a flow restriction in the air sys
tem will cause the exact same problem that you are reporting.
> >
> >
> > Yes=2C it is most likely that someone messed with this in the past=2C a
nd just could never get it right again=2C and this is what you have wrong n
ow. (I.E.
> > A misadjusted Air Distributor) The odds are good that this is your prob
lem=2C but as a Tech Rep=2C my mind always considers the alternatives and y
ou can never rule out ANYTHING unless you verify it as a "known good". That
said=2C if your AIR FLOW to this unit is low=2C it will do the exact same
thing you are now reporting.
> >
> >
> > That said=2C if I was there=2C I would take my nitrogen bottle with a g
ood regulator and would connect it DIRECTLY to the line going to the air di
stributor and would set it to 730 PSI and would see what happened when I tu
rned it on. If the engine does the exact same thing=2C then you are sure th
at the distributor is the problem. However=2C if the engine spins right aro
und perfectly=2C then you can STOP RIGHT THERE and say "BOY OH BOY IT IS NO
T THE AIR DISTRIBUTOR" and you have saved yourself one HUGE amount of work.
> >
> >
> > Consider this advice carefully.
> >
> >
> > Best regards=2C
> >
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu=2C 4/8/10=2C Bill Lang wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Lang
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> > Date: Thursday=2C April 8=2C 2010=2C 7:12 PM
> >
> > Mark
> > Further to my last.. found the ref on George's web site M14 maint Manua
l=2C task card 204. Hope my guy can do it.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill
> >
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> > > Date: Thu=2C 8 Apr 2010 12:53:38 -0400
> > > From: mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil
> > > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
> > >
> > MALS-14 64E"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MOST LIKELY: Your air distributor is out of alignment.
> > >
> > > This is a tedious and exacting job. VERY TEDIOUS AND VERY EXACTING!
> > >
> > > There is a little gear in there with many little itsy tiny teeth that
> > > has to be JUST right.
> > >
> > > I would suggest you contact Dennis Savarese directly=2C I believe he
has
> > > the procedure written out and ready to send. It is addressed in the
> > > maint. Cards for the engine. It might also be at George Coy's web sit
e.
> > > His site is also a wealth of knowledge.
> > >
> > > It is much MUCH more complicated than just spinning it 180 degrees=2C
> > > SAD TO SAY! Without the instructions=2C I have seen people mess with
> > > this thing for days. DAYS!
> > >
> > > Just FYI=2C the thing does more than just put air into a cylinder to
> > > make the piston move. When it is perfectly set up=2C it not only puts
> > > air into one cylinder to push the piston down=2C it also sends air to
> > > the lower cylinders WITH THE EXHAUST VALVES OPEN to help push any oil
> > > that is in there right out the exhaust. But it has to be timed
> > > PERFECTLY to the engine=2C just like the ignition distributor on your
> > > car=2C or the mag on your airplane. Please excuse the language on the
> > > net=2C but it is a real SOB to adjust.
> > >
> > > I am sorry that I do not have the instructions to give you=2C or have
> > > them memorized... But I will tell you to not even think about messing
> > > with it until you have the instructions fully in hand and understand
> > > them perfectly.
> > >
> > > Mark Bitterlich
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lan
g
> > > Sent: Thursday=2C April 08=2C 2010 6:30 AM
> > > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Starter Sequence?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
> > >
> > > Technical advice needed ref starter. I have just purchesed a Yak52
> > > that has apparently had a starter problem since a new engine was inst
alled.
> > > It seems that there is a sequencing problem of the air going into the
> > > cylinders. It turns a few degrees on start=2C and then air appears to
> > > blow straight through the cylinder to exhaust. Sometimes it turns bac
kwards.
> > > Would it be possible to install the starter spider 180 out? My
> > > mechanic and I would appreciate if anyone has faced this problem and
found a fix.
> > > Is there a mark on the spider or foolproof way of installing the
> > > spider that was overlooked by the original mechanics
> > >
> > > Taa
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > /157631292/direct/01/' target='_new'>Need a new place to li===
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Yak-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Yak-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Yak-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Yak-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
yak-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "yak-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Yak-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Yak-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/yak-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Yak-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Yak-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Yak-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Yak-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Yak-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Yak-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Yak
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
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