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1. 05:08 AM - Down in IVY (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 02:06 PM - Re: Down in IVY (CHRIS ABBOTT)
3. 07:46 PM - Will try again - - - - (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 10:14 PM - Re: Down in IVY (Roger Kemp M.D.)
5. 10:15 PM - Re: Down in IVY (T A LEWIS)
6. 10:15 PM - Re: Will try again - - - - (elizabethrizzosaysit@yahoo.com)
7. 10:51 PM - Re: Down in IVY (CHRIS ABBOTT)
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Well tried to head south from DE to FL yesterday. After a :45 delay
trying to get fuel and oil at ILG, I finally blasted off. Just about 10 minutes
at cruise, my M-14 started running rough. At first I thought it was
carburetor ice, but heat didn't clear it. Temps, fuel and oil pressures were
normal. I turned around back for ILG but than saw a airport at my 9 landed
there. Wife was able to drive a pick me up. Today I start to find out
what's wrong. After yaking (no pun intended) with Lefty I'm thinking a stuck
valve and will pursue that direction first. Also plan on changing out all
the plugs.
Most likely will get rained on today.
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Hi.
Good to see that someone has seen the same thing, bet it started like
this, run ups ok, on roll all was ok but if you put in full power it
improved ? this recently happened to me in my 52 and after meggering
leads and al basic tests i was convinced that it was valve (after
return checked all cylinders with IR gun), but the little voice in the
head that comes from years of drag racing experience told me to keep
basic, after cycling and spot heat testing i found the problem. It was
a small collection of water in the lower plug leads that would only
short out when the temp was enough to let a small amount run into the
plug cap thus when the plug was removed for inspection your fingers
and atmosphere would dry it out just enough to do the cycle again, the
fix was undo all the seals get engine hot and allow to dry then reseal
the harness.
hope this helps
On 16/08/2010, at 10:07 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
Well tried to head south from DE to FL yesterday. After a :45 delay
trying to get fuel and oil at ILG, I finally blasted off. Just about
10 minutes at cruise, my M-14 started running rough. At first I
thought it was carburetor ice, but heat didn't clear it. Temps, fuel
and oil pressures were normal. I turned around back for ILG but than
saw a airport at my 9 landed there. Wife was able to drive a pick me
up. Today I start to find out what's wrong. After yaking (no pun
intended) with Lefty I'm thinking a stuck valve and will pursue that
direction first. Also plan on changing out all the plugs.
Most likely will get rained on today.
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Well worked on the CJ today with the help of my 9 year old grandson,
William the Great. I ended up figuring it was bad plugs instead of a stuck
valve. I removed all the rear plugs and check the compression. Looking at the
plugs, they looked pretty bad, particularly 5,6, and 7. So I replaced all
of them and than cleaned the right mag. That seem to do the trick. Later
this after noon, I flew the airplane for 20 minutes, and than returned to
ILG. All seemed normal.
Will head out in the morning for FL weather permitting.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Chris,
Do you have the plug and wire conversion kit on or do you still have the RU
harness and plugs? With the Taylor plug wire and auto plug conversion you
are getting water under the plug cap? I can see moister leeching in along
the wire bundle as they enter the distributor cap cover but I suspect you
have to be flying through some pretty heavy precip for that. At least that
is my theory. Have not ops tested it that theory though.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CHRIS ABBOTT
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Down in IVY
Hi.
Good to see that someone has seen the same thing, bet it started like this,
run ups ok, on roll all was ok but if you put in full power it improved ?
this recently happened to me in my 52 and after meggering leads and al basic
tests i was convinced that it was valve (after return checked all cylinders
with IR gun), but the little voice in the head that comes from years of drag
racing experience told me to keep basic, after cycling and spot heat testing
i found the problem. It was a small collection of water in the lower plug
leads that would only short out when the temp was enough to let a small
amount run into the plug cap thus when the plug was removed for inspection
your fingers and atmosphere would dry it out just enough to do the cycle
again, the fix was undo all the seals get engine hot and allow to dry then
reseal the harness.
hope this helps
On 16/08/2010, at 10:07 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
Well tried to head south from DE to FL yesterday. After a :45 delay trying
to get fuel and oil at ILG, I finally blasted off. Just about 10 minutes at
cruise, my M-14 started running rough. At first I thought it was carburetor
ice, but heat didn't clear it. Temps, fuel and oil pressures were normal.
I turned around back for ILG but than saw a airport at my 9 landed there.
Wife was able to drive a pick me up. Today I start to find out what's
wrong. After yaking (no pun intended) with Lefty I'm thinking a stuck valve
and will pursue that direction first. Also plan on changing out all the
plugs.
Most likely will get rained on today.
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=0A=0AYou did drain the sumps of the the header tank and gasolator .=0ATerr
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IVY=0A=0A=0A=0AHi.=0AGood to see that someone has seen the same thing, bet
it started like this, run =0Aups ok, on roll all was ok but if you put in f
ull power it improved ? this =0Arecently happened to me in my 52 and after
meggering leads and al basic tests i =0Awas convinced that it was valve (af
ter return checked all cylinders with IR =0Agun), but the little voice in t
he head that comes from years of drag racing =0Aexperience told me to keep
basic, after cycling and-spot-heat testing i found =0Athe problem. It w
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atmosphere would dry it out just enough to do the cycle again, the fix was
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or ILG but than saw a airport at my 9 landed there.- Wife =0Awas able to
drive a pick me up.- Today I start to find out what's wrong.- After =0A
yaking (no pun intended) with Lefty I'm thinking a stuck valve and will pur
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Fly safe, Pappy
Elizabeth
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Doc
Have RU harness and plugs and have problem solved, the cause of the
problem was after an annual i cleaned the oil off the back of the
engine with kero and a hose which in turn because the OEM harness was
not totally sealed it leaked a very minuscule amount, have now dried
all out and resealed the rubber compression seals in the oem harness
(coincidentally it killed two plugs in the same cylinder '5') the main
point of reply was bring attention to the simple things as you also
suggested.
thanks,
Chris
On 17/08/2010, at 1:38 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
Chris,
Do you have the plug and wire conversion kit on or do you still have
the RU harness and plugs? With the Taylor plug wire and auto plug
conversion you are getting water under the plug cap? I can see moister
leeching in along the wire bundle as they enter the distributor cap
cover but I suspect you have to be flying through some pretty heavy
precip for that. At least that is my theory. Have not ops tested it
that theory though.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
] On Behalf Of CHRIS ABBOTT
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Down in IVY
Hi.
Good to see that someone has seen the same thing, bet it started like
this, run ups ok, on roll all was ok but if you put in full power it
improved ? this recently happened to me in my 52 and after meggering
leads and al basic tests i was convinced that it was valve (after
return checked all cylinders with IR gun), but the little voice in the
head that comes from years of drag racing experience told me to keep
basic, after cycling and spot heat testing i found the problem. It was
a small collection of water in the lower plug leads that would only
short out when the temp was enough to let a small amount run into the
plug cap thus when the plug was removed for inspection your fingers
and atmosphere would dry it out just enough to do the cycle again, the
fix was undo all the seals get engine hot and allow to dry then reseal
the harness.
hope this helps
On 16/08/2010, at 10:07 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
Well tried to head south from DE to FL yesterday. After a :45 delay
trying to get fuel and oil at ILG, I finally blasted off. Just about
10 minutes at cruise, my M-14 started running rough. At first I
thought it was carburetor ice, but heat didn't clear it. Temps, fuel
and oil pressures were normal. I turned around back for ILG but than
saw a airport at my 9 landed there. Wife was able to drive a pick me
up. Today I start to find out what's wrong. After yaking (no pun
intended) with Lefty I'm thinking a stuck valve and will pursue that
direction first. Also plan on changing out all the plugs.
Most likely will get rained on today.
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