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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
If purchasing from Desser in the US and based on my experience with
many, many of their new tires, I would purchase a 400x150 nose tire from
Doug Sapp which is a smooth tire, then ship the new tire from Doug
(about $85 vs. a new tire from Desser at $165) and ship it to Desser for
retreading (about $85 for the retread). The retreaded tire will be
perfectly balanced because Desser does their own in-house retreading and
balancing AND the tire will last 3-4 times longer than a new Desser
tire. I have had to change numerous "new" tires from Desser including
shipping them back because; 1- there was no red dot on the tire which is
the point on the tire which is placed adjacent to the valve stem for
balancing. 2- the tire would absolutely not balance regardless of how
many times I removed and rotated the tire on the hub even though the
tire did have a red dot on it.
I have discussed this with Desser more times than I can count and they
insist it is not their new tires causing the imbalance. My comment to
them is, "Well, if the tires were perfectly smooth at all operating
speeds BEFORE I replaced them with your new tires, what would you
suggest could be the problem." They have no answer for that question.
The last time I went through this with a set of their new tires for the
main wheels, I replace 3 sets of tires before I found a set that would
not vibrate. And the reason the 3rd set worked is because Desser said
they would pull one set off the shelf and put them on their balance
machine (probably the same machine they use to balance the retreaded
tires) at their California factory.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Yakbaas
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with 60-70% of
thread left.
Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
Riaan
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
BTW, the NEW Desser tires are not manufactured by Desser. Desser will
not say who manufactures the "AERO CLASSIC" 400x150 and 500x150 tires
for them. Whoever is, their quality control leaves a lot to be desired.
Desser people have even made comments like, "well, the tires are for
experimental aircraft and it says that on the tire." Maybe that means
the quality of the tire does not have to be the same as for standard
category aircraft?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
If purchasing from Desser in the US and based on my experience with
many, many of their new tires, I would purchase a 400x150 nose tire from
Doug Sapp which is a smooth tire, then ship the new tire from Doug
(about $85 vs. a new tire from Desser at $165) and ship it to Desser for
retreading (about $85 for the retread). The retreaded tire will be
perfectly balanced because Desser does their own in-house retreading and
balancing AND the tire will last 3-4 times longer than a new Desser
tire. I have had to change numerous "new" tires from Desser including
shipping them back because; 1- there was no red dot on the tire which is
the point on the tire which is placed adjacent to the valve stem for
balancing. 2- the tire would absolutely not balance regardless of how
many times I removed and rotated the tire on the hub even though the
tire did have a red dot on it.
I have discussed this with Desser more times than I can count and they
insist it is not their new tires causing the imbalance. My comment to
them is, "Well, if the tires were perfectly smooth at all operating
speeds BEFORE I replaced them with your new tires, what would you
suggest could be the problem." They have no answer for that question.
The last time I went through this with a set of their new tires for the
main wheels, I replace 3 sets of tires before I found a set that would
not vibrate. And the reason the 3rd set worked is because Desser said
they would pull one set off the shelf and put them on their balance
machine (probably the same machine they use to balance the retreaded
tires) at their California factory.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Yakbaas
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with 60-70%
of thread left.
Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
Riaan
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
the Aeroclassic 400x 150 tire as sold by Desser gave me 30 hours and
about sixty landings until bald, on my Sukhoi. After a Cleveland brake
and wheel conversion, i switched to Goodyear Flight Custom III and have
150 hours on them after over 300 landings and they still have tread. Is
there a conversion you can make to a US wheel to permit high quality
tires instead of chewing gum tires?
Rick Volker
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM, "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> BTW, the NEW Desser tires are not manufactured by Desser. Desser will
not say who manufactures the "AERO CLASSIC" 400x150 and 500x150 tires
for them. Whoever is, their quality control leaves a lot to be desired.
Desser people have even made comments like, "well, the tires are for
experimental aircraft and it says that on the tire." Maybe that means
the quality of the tire does not have to be the same as for standard
category aircraft?
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
>
> If purchasing from Desser in the US and based on my experience with
many, many of their new tires, I would purchase a 400x150 nose tire from
Doug Sapp which is a smooth tire, then ship the new tire from Doug
(about $85 vs. a new tire from Desser at $165) and ship it to Desser for
retreading (about $85 for the retread). The retreaded tire will be
perfectly balanced because Desser does their own in-house retreading and
balancing AND the tire will last 3-4 times longer than a new Desser
tire. I have had to change numerous "new" tires from Desser including
shipping them back because; 1- there was no red dot on the tire which is
the point on the tire which is placed adjacent to the valve stem for
balancing. 2- the tire would absolutely not balance regardless of how
many times I removed and rotated the tire on the hub even though the
tire did have a red dot on it.
>
> I have discussed this with Desser more times than I can count and they
insist it is not their new tires causing the imbalance. My comment to
them is, "Well, if the tires were perfectly smooth at all operating
speeds BEFORE I replaced them with your new tires, what would you
suggest could be the problem." They have no answer for that question.
The last time I went through this with a set of their new tires for the
main wheels, I replace 3 sets of tires before I found a set that would
not vibrate. And the reason the 3rd set worked is because Desser said
they would pull one set off the shelf and put them on their balance
machine (probably the same machine they use to balance the retreaded
tires) at their California factory.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yakbaas
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
>
>
> The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with 60-70% of
thread left.
> Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
>
> Riaan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
I have my original tires, but I think they little fissures on the side
walls.... unusable even for a retread, right?
Also, if you do have them retread, is there a way to get your actual
tires back, or do they just throw your tires into the system and you
get whatever?
On Nov 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> BTW, the NEW Desser tires are not manufactured by Desser. Desser
> will not say who manufactures the "AERO CLASSIC" 400x150 and 500x150
> tires for them. Whoever is, their quality control leaves a lot to
> be desired. Desser people have even made comments like, "well, the
> tires are for experimental aircraft and it says that on the tire."
> Maybe that means the quality of the tire does not have to be the
> same as for standard category aircraft?
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
>
> If purchasing from Desser in the US and based on my experience with
> many, many of their new tires, I would purchase a 400x150 nose tire
> from Doug Sapp which is a smooth tire, then ship the new tire from
> Doug (about $85 vs. a new tire from Desser at $165) and ship it to
> Desser for retreading (about $85 for the retread). The retreaded
> tire will be perfectly balanced because Desser does their own in-
> house retreading and balancing AND the tire will last 3-4 times
> longer than a new Desser tire. I have had to change numerous "new"
> tires from Desser including shipping them back because; 1- there was
> no red dot on the tire which is the point on the tire which is
> placed adjacent to the valve stem for balancing. 2- the tire would
> absolutely not balance regardless of how many times I removed and
> rotated the tire on the hub even though the tire did have a red dot
> on it.
>
> I have discussed this with Desser more times than I can count and
> they insist it is not their new tires causing the imbalance. My
> comment to them is, "Well, if the tires were perfectly smooth at all
> operating speeds BEFORE I replaced them with your new tires, what
> would you suggest could be the problem." They have no answer for
> that question. The last time I went through this with a set of
> their new tires for the main wheels, I replace 3 sets of tires
> before I found a set that would not vibrate. And the reason the 3rd
> set worked is because Desser said they would pull one set off the
> shelf and put them on their balance machine (probably the same
> machine they use to balance the retreaded tires) at their California
> factory.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yakbaas
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
>
>
> The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with 60-70%
> of thread left.
> Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
>
> Riaan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320144#320144
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
According to Desser, they will not retread a tire that has cord showing
or sidewall cracking. You can ship your tires back and they will
retread them for you and return your original tires to you. That
assumes the tires are "acceptable" for retreading.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Wobschall
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
I have my original tires, but I think they little fissures on the side
walls.... unusable even for a retread, right?
Also, if you do have them retread, is there a way to get your actual
tires back, or do they just throw your tires into the system and you get
whatever?
On Nov 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
BTW, the NEW Desser tires are not manufactured by Desser. Desser
will not say who manufactures the "AERO CLASSIC" 400x150 and 500x150
tires for them. Whoever is, their quality control leaves a lot to be
desired. Desser people have even made comments like, "well, the tires
are for experimental aircraft and it says that on the tire." Maybe that
means the quality of the tire does not have to be the same as for
standard category aircraft?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
If purchasing from Desser in the US and based on my experience
with many, many of their new tires, I would purchase a 400x150 nose tire
from Doug Sapp which is a smooth tire, then ship the new tire from Doug
(about $85 vs. a new tire from Desser at $165) and ship it to Desser for
retreading (about $85 for the retread). The retreaded tire will be
perfectly balanced because Desser does their own in-house retreading and
balancing AND the tire will last 3-4 times longer than a new Desser
tire. I have had to change numerous "new" tires from Desser including
shipping them back because; 1- there was no red dot on the tire which is
the point on the tire which is placed adjacent to the valve stem for
balancing. 2- the tire would absolutely not balance regardless of how
many times I removed and rotated the tire on the hub even though the
tire did have a red dot on it.
I have discussed this with Desser more times than I can count and
they insist it is not their new tires causing the imbalance. My comment
to them is, "Well, if the tires were perfectly smooth at all operating
speeds BEFORE I replaced them with your new tires, what would you
suggest could be the problem." They have no answer for that question.
The last time I went through this with a set of their new tires for the
main wheels, I replace 3 sets of tires before I found a set that would
not vibrate. And the reason the 3rd set worked is because Desser said
they would pull one set off the shelf and put them on their balance
machine (probably the same machine they use to balance the retreaded
tires) at their California factory.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Yakbaas
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
<riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with
60-70% of thread left.
Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
Riaan
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
The tires from the L-29 fit nicely on the yak nose wheel. Much better tire.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakbaas" <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
>
> The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with 60-70% of
> thread left.
> Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
>
> Riaan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320144#320144
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian? |
What about the mains? Any substitutes for that?
On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Bill Geipel wrote:
> <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
>
> The tires from the L-29 fit nicely on the yak nose wheel. Much
> better tire.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yakbaas" <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:25 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Nosewheel Dresser or Chinese/Russian?
>
>
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>> The nosewheel on my 18T developed some sidewall cracks with 60-70%
>> of thread left.
>> Which of the nosewheel tyres give the best service?
>>
>> Riaan
>>
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