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0. 12:23 AM - No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:25 PM - Anybody have a copy of a YAK-55 Flying Manual? (William Halverson)
2. 05:04 PM - Re: Romania (Yak Pilot)
3. 07:17 PM - Re: Romania (William Halverson)
4. 09:08 PM - Re: Romania (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 09:16 PM - Re: CJ rudder Trim (barryhancock)
6. 09:34 PM - Re: Romania (Roger Baker)
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| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
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| Subject: | Anybody have a copy of a YAK-55 Flying Manual? |
Years ago when I got my YAK-55 the only manual I could find was for the YAK-55M.
I know the M has a shorter wing - I think by about 1.5m altogether - so I am wondering
how that change will effect the a/c's performance. Considering that the
55M is only 8.1m, an additional 1.5m is a 18% increase ... Also I don't know
if the length was cut off at the wing tip, or wing base .... which would also
have a big impact on the chord and flight characteristics ...
Thanks in advance for any replies!
William Halverson
N355YK KLVK
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Richard.=C2-
=C2-
I am curious why Vietnam would pay $400,000 for a new YAK-52, when used one
s in this country are selling for 1/10th of that amount.=C2- What makes a
new YAK-52 worth 10 times more than a used one?=C2-
=C2-
I'm sorry, but 400 grand for a YAK-52 is a ridiculous price.=C2- I love Y
AKS, and respect the name and product just as much as the next person, but
this is over the top.=C2-
=C2-
Or ... .if I am wrong .... (which I have been more than once by the way), t
hen present YAK-52 owners REALLY need to re-consider the asking price for t
heir aircraft.=C2- RIGHT?=C2-
=C2-
I mean, WTF over?=C2-=C2- I just don't follow the numbers here.=C2-
=C2-
Mark Bitterlich=C2-
=C2-
p.s.=C2- Yes, this message brought me out of the weeds.=C2-
--- On Fri, 11/26/10, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Romania
I have just returned from Romania, visiting Aerostar, who have manufactured
all Yak-52, and Motorstar, who manufacture /overhaul the M14P engine.=C2
-=C2- Some issues that could be of interest:
=C2-
Obviously production of Yak-52 has slowed right down, but they have just de
livered ten new Yak-52 to Vietnam =93 price justover US $400,000 each
.=C2-
=C2-
In terms of total numbers of Yak-52 in the world their estimates are as fol
lows:
=C2-
=C3=98=C2- USA 322.
=C3=98=C2- UK 105.
=C3=98=C2- Germany 55.
=C3=98=C2- Spain 20.
=C3=98=C2- Italy 15.
=C3=98=C2- France 15.
=C3=98=C2- Sweden 5.
=C3=98=C2- Holland / Begium 6.
=C3=98=C2- Australia / New Zealand 25.
=C3=98=C2- South Africa 15.
=C3=98=C2- Others circa 25.
Total 608
=C2-
In addition military operators are as follows:
=C2-
=C3=98=C2- Romania 18.
=C3=98=C2- Hungary 11.
=C3=98=C2- Vietnam 31.
=C3=98=C2- In addition there are other military operators in Ukraine; Geo
rgia; Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan etc.=C2-
=C2-
Russia:
=C2-
=C3=98=C2- They estimate that there are about 350 flyable in Russia, and
a similar number existing but not flyable.
=C3=98=C2- Total production is 1,815 to date.=C2-
=C3=98=C2- Of these the first 60 were flush-riveted.
=C2-
For military users, Aerostar still offers a military style TOTAL overhaul
=93 that is a strip down to every last component and then built to a
new aircraft.=C2-=C2- Current price for this is a bit over US $200,000.
=C2- (I saw two Romanian Air Force Yak-52s undergoing this process).
=C2-
I had thought that the major airframe strengthening Bulletins (59/60/107) o
n Yak-52 were issued because of cracks being seen in aircraft, rather than
actual failures, but it is worth noting that there were actually two fatal
accidents of Yak-52 involving total airframe failure (actually the centre s
ection between the wings), which led to the introduction of 59 and 60 Bulle
tins.=C2- So if your 52 does not have 59 and 60 - fly gently!
=C2-
Motorstar has just delivered five engines to the Chinese, to put into their
new version of the CJ6.=C2- It is interesting that they have gone to Rom
ania for these engines =93 I had assumed that the Chinese had all the
production that they needed.=C2- Also I have seen in these listings, peo
ple referring to a 400hp version of the Chinese engine =93 does such
a thing exist?=C2- Have many been made?
=C2-
Motorstar continue to make a few new engines, as well as overhaul old ones.
=C2- It would seem that they have good supplies of most components but it
is feared that there are likely to be shortages in the long-term =93
for example exhaust valves.=C2- My personal feeling is that no new parts
are being made in Russia and current stocks are simply being eroded.
=C2-
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
=C2-
Tel:=C2- +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
=C2-
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Communist solidarity?
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Yak Pilot [mailto:yakplt@yahoo.com]
+Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 05:01 PM
+To: yak-list@matronics.com
+Subject: Re: Yak-List: Romania
+
+Richard.
+
+I am curious why Vietnam would pay $400,000 for a new YAK-52, when used ones in
this country are selling for 1/10th of that amount. What makes a new YAK-52
worth 10 times more than a used one?
+
+I'm sorry, but 400 grand for a YAK-52 is a ridiculous price. I love YAKS, and
respect the name and product just as much as the next person, but this is over
the top.
+
+Or ... .if I am wrong .... (which I have been more than once by the way), then
present YAK-52 owners REALLY need to re-consider the asking price for their aircraft.
RIGHT?
+
+I mean, WTF over? I just don't follow the numbers here.
+
+Mark Bitterlich
+
+p.s. Yes, this message brought me out of the weeds.
+
+
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Gee I agree. Maybe they have the same kind of politicians as us. Somebod
y must be getting a kick back.
Hell at those prices, a CJ-6a would go for 1 million? I just might give
up mine for that. (Oh dear, I might have started something - - - - - ag
ain) ;-)
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Romania
Richard.
I am curious why Vietnam would pay $400,000 for a new YAK-52, when used on
es in this country are selling for 1/10th of that amount. What makes a ne
w YAK-52 worth 10 times more than a used one?
I'm sorry, but 400 grand for a YAK-52 is a ridiculous price. I love YAKS,
and respect the name and product just as much as the next person, but thi
s is over the top.
Or ... .if I am wrong .... (which I have been more than once by the way),
then present YAK-52 owners REALLY need to re-consider the asking price fo
r their aircraft. RIGHT?
I mean, WTF over? I just don't follow the numbers here.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. Yes, this message brought me out of the weeds.
--- On Fri, 11/26/10, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote
:
From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Romania
I have just returned from Romania, visiting Aerostar, who have manufacture
d all Yak-52, and Motorstar, who manufacture /overhaul the M14P engine.
Some issues that could be of interest:
Obviously production of Yak-52 has slowed right down, but they have just
delivered ten new Yak-52 to Vietnam =93 price justover US $400,000
each.
In terms of total numbers of Yak-52 in the world their estimates are as fo
llows:
=C3=98 USA 322.
=C3=98 UK 105.
=C3=98 Germany 55.
=C3=98 Spain 20.
=C3=98 Italy 15.
=C3=98 France 15.
=C3=98 Sweden 5.
=C3=98 Holland / Begium 6.
=C3=98 Australia / New Zealand 25.
=C3=98 South Africa 15.
=C3=98 Others circa 25.
Total 608
In addition military operators are as follows:
=C3=98 Romania 18.
=C3=98 Hungary 11.
=C3=98 Vietnam 31.
=C3=98 In addition there are other military operators in Ukraine; Georgia
; Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan etc.
Russia:
=C3=98 They estimate that there are about 350 flyable in Russia, and a si
milar number existing but not flyable.
=C3=98 Total production is 1,815 to date.
=C3=98 Of these the first 60 were flush-riveted.
For military users, Aerostar still offers a military style TOTAL overhaul
=93 that is a strip down to every last component and then built to
a new aircraft. Current price for this is a bit over US $200,000. (I
saw two Romanian Air Force Yak-52s undergoing this process).
I had thought that the major airframe strengthening Bulletins (59/60/107)
on Yak-52 were issued because of cracks being seen in aircraft, rather th
an actual failures, but it is worth noting that there were actually two fa
tal accidents of Yak-52 involving total airframe failure (actually the cen
tre section between the wings), which led to the introduction of 59 and 60
Bulletins. So if your 52 does not have 59 and 60 - fly gently!
Motorstar has just delivered five engines to the Chinese, to put into thei
r new version of the CJ6. It is interesting that they have gone to Romani
a for these engines =93 I had assumed that the Chinese had all the
production that they needed. Also I have seen in these listings, people
referring to a 400hp version of the Chinese engine =93 does such a
thing exist? Have many been made?
Motorstar continue to make a few new engines, as well as overhaul old ones
. It would seem that they have good supplies of most components but it is
feared that there are likely to be shortages in the long-term =93
for example exhaust valves. My personal feeling is that no new parts are
being made in Russia and current stocks are simply being eroded.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | Re: CJ rudder Trim |
Keith,
We have done it both ways. It is easier to do it as a replacement of the original
tab, and works just fine. You want to make sure you get enough surface area
so that the trim is effective enough to leave your foot on the floor during
normal climb. Obviously, it matters which engine/prop combo you have.
On my airplane we did the tab integrated into the control surfaces. This is superior
in looks, but is also a lot more involved as you need to modify the structure.
Either way, make sure that the geometry for the servo arm is correct. The other
thing to worry about is the fairing.....it has to accommodate the range of motion
of the servo arm. You don't *have* to have a fairing, but it sure looks
ugly if you don't. I have some pics that I'll dig up and post....
Barry
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321264#321264
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Gee, fellows....what are we not understanding about the meaning of the
word "new"? Do you have any idea what a "new" Cirrus SR-22 costs? Are
we forgetting that virtually all of the Yak 52's and 50's of which we
all are so fond were bought at scrap prices out of a system that was
essentially in collapse? There is no rational ground for a comparison
of the cost of those airplanes and new examples of the same kind of
airplane.
Roger________________________________________________________
On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:05 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Gee I agree. Maybe they have the same kind of politicians as us.
Somebody must be getting a kick back.
>
> Hell at those prices, a CJ-6a would go for 1 million? I just might
give up mine for that. (Oh dear, I might have started something - - -
- - again) ;-)
>
> Pappy
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Romania
>
> Richard.
>
> I am curious why Vietnam would pay $400,000 for a new YAK-52, when
used ones in this country are selling for 1/10th of that amount. What
makes a new YAK-52 worth 10 times more than a used one?
>
> I'm sorry, but 400 grand for a YAK-52 is a ridiculous price. I love
YAKS, and respect the name and product just as much as the next person,
but this is over the top.
>
> Or ... .if I am wrong .... (which I have been more than once by the
way), then present YAK-52 owners REALLY need to re-consider the asking
price for their aircraft. RIGHT?
>
> I mean, WTF over? I just don't follow the numbers here.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
> p.s. Yes, this message brought me out of the weeds.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/26/10, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
wrote:
>
> From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Romania
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, November 26, 2010, 10:33 AM
>
> I have just returned from Romania, visiting Aerostar, who have
manufactured all Yak-52, and Motorstar, who manufacture /overhaul the
M14P engine. Some issues that could be of interest:
>
> Obviously production of Yak-52 has slowed right down, but they have
just delivered ten new Yak-52 to Vietnam ' price justover US $400,000
each.
>
> In terms of total numbers of Yak-52 in the world their estimates are
as follows:
>
> =D8 USA 322.
> =D8 UK 105.
> =D8 Germany 55.
> =D8 Spain 20.
> =D8 Italy 15.
> =D8 France 15.
> =D8 Sweden 5.
> =D8 Holland / Begium 6.
> =D8 Australia / New Zealand 25.
> =D8 South Africa 15.
> =D8 Others circa 25.
> Total 608
>
> In addition military operators are as follows:
>
> =D8 Romania 18.
> =D8 Hungary 11.
> =D8 Vietnam 31.
> =D8 In addition there are other military operators in Ukraine;
Georgia; Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan etc.
>
> Russia:
>
> =D8 They estimate that there are about 350 flyable in Russia, and a
similar number existing but not flyable.
> =D8 Total production is 1,815 to date.
> =D8 Of these the first 60 were flush-riveted.
>
> For military users, Aerostar still offers a military style TOTAL
overhaul ' that is a strip down to every last component and then built
to a new aircraft. Current price for this is a bit over US $200,000.
(I saw two Romanian Air Force Yak-52s undergoing this process).
>
> I had thought that the major airframe strengthening Bulletins
(59/60/107) on Yak-52 were issued because of cracks being seen in
aircraft, rather than actual failures, but it is worth noting that there
were actually two fatal accidents of Yak-52 involving total airframe
failure (actually the centre section between the wings), which led to
the introduction of 59 and 60 Bulletins. So if your 52 does not have 59
and 60 - fly gently!
>
> Motorstar has just delivered five engines to the Chinese, to put into
their new version of the CJ6. It is interesting that they have gone to
Romania for these engines ' I had assumed that the Chinese had all the
production that they needed. Also I have seen in these listings, people
referring to a 400hp version of the Chinese engine ' does such a thing
exist? Have many been made?
>
> Motorstar continue to make a few new engines, as well as overhaul old
ones. It would seem that they have good supplies of most components but
it is feared that there are likely to be shortages in the long-term '
for example exhaust valves. My personal feeling is that no new parts
are being made in Russia and current stocks are simply being eroded.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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