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1. 09:52 AM - Yakovlev/Sukhoi (Richard Goode)
2. 11:56 AM - Re: l-7 (Joe Howse)
3. 12:07 PM - Fw: l-7 (Joe Howse)
4. 12:25 PM - Red-Star Aircraft Year End Update (tjyak50)
5. 12:58 PM - Re: Yakovlev/Sukhoi (Eric Wobschall)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: Yak-52 Weight and Balance (Cliff Coy)
7. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Yak-52 Weight and Balance (Eric Wobschall)
8. 05:12 PM - Re: l-7 (Yak Pilot)
9. 05:16 PM - Re: l-7 (Yak Pilot)
10. 11:51 PM - Re: Yakovlev/Sukhoi (Richard Goode)
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To follow up on George's mail, there is in theory a light aircraft side of
Sukhoi, but I see virtually nothing from them, and their main activity seems
to be trying to get Western Sukhois back into Russia to have
"Lifetime-extensions" at huge prices! Fortunately we managed to get all
the paperwork for these extensions; now have them approved by EASA; who
control all aviation in Europe, and so that is how we extend the life every
six years or so.
The Sukhoi Military Trainer was the Sukhoi Su-49 - of which a prototype was
made, BUT, to the best of my knowledge never flown. It looked a very nice
aircraft, and was very light - 850 kilos, but looked similar to the new 52 -
similar type of canopy; similar retractable gear.
I understood that it was rejected by the Air Force, who wanted all its
flying qualities, but could not accept an all composite aeroplane for rough
military use, and the problems of repairing localised damage.
Similarly it had the "Zvesda" pilot extraction system.
They also intended a version with a Turbine.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
<http://www.russianaeros.com> www.russianaeros.com
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Richard Goode
Re 400 HP HS6K
As I remember it had a higher blower ratio and higher compression
Originally developed for the YS11 twin engine transport, later engined
with turbines.
Joe Howse
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Richard Goode
Re 400 HP HS6K
As I remember it had a higher blower ratio and higher compression
Originally developed for the YS11 twin engine transport, later engined
with turbines.
(correction, should have been Y11, no S)
Joe Howse
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| Subject: | Red-Star Aircraft Year End Update |
Happy Holidays my fellow Yak / Cj owners and pilots. Wanted to give everybody my
feelings on the status of the Yak/CJ Insurance market.
2010 was our worst year in history for crashes.
3 Yak 52s destroyed killing 6 people this year. Numerous other normal accidents
which are expected to some degree. But the bodycount is the worst I can remember
in a single year for our airplanes and we need to work on that. Mechanical?
Maneuvering? Training? I really dont have good data on the hard cause of
each. 2 were seasoned Yak veterans and one was a relative newcomer.
There are 2 underwriters that have been with us for years (USSIC / SAU), providing
great pricing and superb claims service. We all get mailers from new Agents
and new Underwriters looking to get into the Warbird scene. Will they have
the stamina to see through these tough years like USSIC and SAU have?
I am happy to discuss questions about underwriters and policies in boring detail
if you want more of the scoop.
2010 has seen some neat new parts cruising around. New prop blades for M14, lots
of new avionics, a new engine shop. All good for the future of these airplanes.
Underwriters had expressed concern about future parts availability being
a factor in fixing airplanes. I dont see this to be any problem currently.
What we dont have we can make!
2011? What will it bring? Hopefully a MUCH safer year of flight operations.
My feeling is premiums will remain mostly unchanged. I dont anticipate any big
swings. Lets all do our part: FOD checks, Hard Deck for maneuvering, and if
it aint running right on the ground, it probably wont get better in the air
so fix it.
Call or email me directly for details or with questions.
Tom Johnson
Airpower Insurance
Yak 50, 82-2308
866-475-9199
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323929#323929
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| Subject: | Re: Yakovlev/Sukhoi |
Richard, I had heard that at some point various jigs for the SU-26/31
had been destroyed in the midst of some kind of political snit at the
factory. Is any of that true? Thanks. -Eric
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Richard Goode wrote:
> To follow up on George=92s mail, there is in theory a light aircraft
> side of Sukhoi, but I see virtually nothing from them, and their
> main activity seems to be trying to get Western Sukhois back into
> Russia to have =93Lifetime-extensions=94 at huge prices! Fortunately
> we managed to get all the paperwork for these extensions; now have
> them approved by EASA; who control all aviation in Europe, and so
> that is how we extend the life every six years or so.
>
> The Sukhoi Military Trainer was the Sukhoi Su-49 ' of which a
> prototype was made, BUT, to the best of my knowledge never flown.
> It looked a very nice aircraft, and was very light - 850 kilos, but
> looked similar to the new 52 ' similar type of canopy; similar
> retractable gear.
>
> I understood that it was rejected by the Air Force, who wanted all
> its flying qualities, but could not accept an all composite
> aeroplane for rough military use, and the problems of repairing
> localised damage.
>
> Similarly it had the =93Zvesda=94 pilot extraction system.
>
> They also intended a version with a Turbine.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Weight and Balance |
*Good afternoon Tom,
There should be a record of the weighing (or weight change) in the log
books.
I've attached a copy of the Excel sheet I've developed.
It's a little easier to use than the printed sheet you have.
If there's a question as to my derivation of these numbers, contact me off
list.
Hope this helps!
Cliff
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Border Air Ltd.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: Cliff.Coy
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Weight and Balance |
Thanks, Cliff...
On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Cliff Coy wrote:
> Good afternoon Tom,
>
> There should be a record of the weighing (or weight change) in the
> log books.
>
> I've attached a copy of the Excel sheet I've developed.
> It's a little easier to use than the printed sheet you have.
>
> If there's a question as to my derivation of these numbers, contact
> me off list.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Cliff
>
>
> --
> Clifford Coy
> Border Air Ltd.
> 629 Airport Rd.
> Swanton, VT 05488
> 802-868-2822 TEL
> 802-868-4465 FAX
> Skype: Cliff.Coy
> <W&B FORM YAK-52.xls>
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Richard, there is a gent in this country with a recon version of the CJ (on
e of a kind I believe) that has a high 300 HP Housai factory production eng
ine.- I want to say it was at least 360 HP, but not 400 HP.- In any cas
e, he has documented the aircraft and the engine completely.- It was a fa
ctory produced aircraft.- I can't remember his email address, but I can f
ind it.-
-
Do you need his contact info?
-
Mark Bitterlich
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: l-7
Is it definitely 400HP?
Do you know what changes they made?
Vedenyeev made a huge number of changes going from the AI14 [260HP],on whic
h the Chineese engine [285 HP]-is based to the M14P [360 HP].
Richard
-
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
-
Tel:-- +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax:- +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Howse
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List: l-7
I wonder why the Chinese did not use their own 400 HP H6K- engine, I had
one of the few- examples they built along with a 3 blade propeller.
It was a very smooth engine that adapted to the CJ6 easily.
-
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Never mind Richard,
-
It's 345 HP.- Sorry.-
-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nanchang_CJ-6_corner_20060729.jpg
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Mark Bitterlich
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: l-7
Is it definitely 400HP?
Do you know what changes they made?
Vedenyeev made a huge number of changes going from the AI14 [260HP],on whic
h the Chineese engine [285 HP]-is based to the M14P [360 HP].
Richard
-
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Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
-
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Fax:- +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Howse
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List: l-7
I wonder why the Chinese did not use their own 400 HP H6K- engine, I had
one of the few- examples they built along with a 3 blade propeller.
It was a very smooth engine that adapted to the CJ6 easily.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Yakovlev/Sukhoi |
Yes,Su26 jigs were destroyed-total vandalism.
But all Su29 and 31 jigs are at the Lukavitsy factory,100 kms. outside
Moscow.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Wobschall
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yakovlev/Sukhoi
Richard, I had heard that at some point various jigs for the SU-26/31
had been destroyed in the midst of some kind of political snit at the
factory. Is any of that true? Thanks. -Eric
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Richard Goode wrote:
To follow up on George=92s mail, there is in theory a light aircraft
side of Sukhoi, but I see virtually nothing from them, and their main
activity seems to be trying to get Western Sukhois back into Russia to
have =93Lifetime-extensions=94 at huge prices! Fortunately we managed
to get all the paperwork for these extensions; now have them approved by
EASA; who control all aviation in Europe, and so that is how we extend
the life every six years or so.
The Sukhoi Military Trainer was the Sukhoi Su-49 ' of which a
prototype was made, BUT, to the best of my knowledge never flown. It
looked a very nice aircraft, and was very light - 850 kilos, but looked
similar to the new 52 ' similar type of canopy; similar retractable
gear.
I understood that it was rejected by the Air Force, who wanted all
its flying qualities, but could not accept an all composite aeroplane
for rough military use, and the problems of repairing localised damage.
Similarly it had the =93Zvesda=94 pilot extraction system.
They also intended a version with a Turbine.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
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Lyonshall
Herefordshire
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United Kingdom
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