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1. 03:55 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Scott Poehlmann)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Richard.Goode)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (bill wade)
5. 08:25 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Eric Wobschall)
6. 11:17 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Roger Kemp M.D.)
7. 12:51 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Noel Jones)
8. 01:59 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Eric Wobschall)
9. 02:42 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 06:58 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (n52wn)
11. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatic Training (rick@rvairshows.com)
12. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatic Training (Roger Kemp M.D.)
13. 09:02 PM - 52 spinning (Richard.Goode)
14. 10:40 PM - Re: 52 spinning (mikspin)
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
Hi Tom,
Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from
you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced
Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and
e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll
be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA,
but probably farther than FL or VA...
Scott Poehlmann
Yak 55M N155YK
On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith<thomas_csmith@yahoo.com>
>
> Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a few loops
and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in my Citabria, as well as
flying it in two IAC contests.
>
> Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures, especially
spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I live at Crossville,
TN (home of Trade-a-Plane).
>
> I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but wanted to
find someone closer. Any suggestions?
>
> Tom Smith
> thomas_csmith@yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
Hi Tom,
Before spinning the 52 DO make sure you have good instruction by a pilot who
is really experienced on type.It is a safe plane in that it will always
recover,but with the correct procedure,and without it can bite the unwary!!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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+94 779 132 160.
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From: "Scott Poehlmann" <scott-p@texas.net>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from
> you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced
> Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and
> e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll
> be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA,
> but probably farther than FL or VA...
>
> Scott Poehlmann
> Yak 55M N155YK
>
> On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith<thomas_csmith@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a
>> few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in my
>> Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests.
>>
>> Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures,
>> especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I live
>> at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane).
>>
>> I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but wanted
>> to find someone closer. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Tom Smith
>> thomas_csmith@yahoo.com
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
You might want to check the rudder cables covers on the floor and make sure
the ends at the rudder bar are trimmed at an angle.
I understand a number of the Russians pros, do this to keep a foot from
getting caught at the heel, during large rudder displacement in spins.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hi Tom I think your going to have to find a pilot that is competent and =0A
comfortable in the upright flat spin in a "YAK 52". When I got my training
it =0Awas very apparent that the "YAK 52" would not immediately recover fro
m the =0Aupright flat spin and had I ever encountered one without the prope
r training it =0Awould have most likely gone to the ground. That said I've
done a lot of acro and =0Ascrewed up a lot of maneuvers and stalled spun th
e airplane on most practice =0Aflights and-NEVER has the airplane gone fl
at unintentionally. I've never flown a =0AYak 55 but I know the airplane is
more of an acro aircraft than a 52 and would =0Aprobably have different re
covery procedures. I had my training with Nikolay =0ATimofeev.=0ABill Wade
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Scott Poehlmann <scott
-p@texas.net>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6
:51:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training=0A=0A--> Yak-List mes
sage posted by: Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net>=0A=0AHi Tom,=0A=0ALet m
e get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from =0Ayou, w
as a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced =0ATeam f
or many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and =0Ae-mail ad
dress to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll =0Abe happy
to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA,- =0Abut pr
obably farther than FL or VA...=0A=0AScott Poehlmann=0AYak 55M N155YK=0A=0A
On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote:=0A> -->- Yak-List message posted
by: Thomas Smith<thomas_csmith@yahoo.com>=0A>=0A> Have been half owner in
a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a few =0A>loops and rolls in i
t. Have done all the basic figures in my Citabria, as well =0A>as flying it
in two IAC contests.=0A>=0A> Want to find someone fairly close by who can
teach me the figures, especially =0A>spins, in the Yak done to competition
(IAC) standards.- I live at Crossville, TN =0A>(home of Trade-a-Plane).
=0A>=0A> I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but
wanted to =0A>find someone closer.- Any suggestions?=0A>=0A> Tom Smith
=0A> thomas_csmith@yahoo.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
Good advice. I recommend that you remove the plate with the rudder
cable channels, clamp it securely to your work bench so it doesn't
vibrate, and do it with a big flat file. If you take your time doing
it this way, it will look very nice. I'm guessing that some machinist-
type Yak-listers may have a slicker (or quicker) way to do this, but
the primitive method does yield good results. 30 or so degrees will
keep even duty boots from getting caught. People who use racing shoes
or shoes that aren't particularly square in the back may not run in to
this problem.
On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> You might want to check the rudder cables covers on the floor and
> make sure the ends at the rudder bar are trimmed at an angle.
>
> I understand a number of the Russians pros, do this to keep a foot
> from getting caught at the heel, during large rudder displacement in
> spins.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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| Subject: | Aerobatic Training |
Pappy,
Those are recommended to be removed entirely for that reason.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training
Good advice. I recommend that you remove the plate with the rudder cable
channels, clamp it securely to your work bench so it doesn't vibrate, and do
it with a big flat file. If you take your time doing it this way, it will
look very nice. I'm guessing that some machinist-type Yak-listers may have a
slicker (or quicker) way to do this, but the primitive method does yield
good results. 30 or so degrees will keep even duty boots from getting
caught. People who use racing shoes or shoes that aren't particularly square
in the back may not run in to this problem.
On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
You might want to check the rudder cables covers on the floor and make sure
the ends at the rudder bar are trimmed at an angle.
I understand a number of the Russians pros, do this to keep a foot from
getting caught at the heel, during large rudder displacement in spins.
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
Tom,
I offer aerobatic instruction, upset recovery,as well as aircraft check outs in
the Yak 52, but unfortunately my locale is not what you are looking for as I
am based out of Oregon.
I have flown competition aerobatics for the past 5 years and have taken the Yak
52 through the intermediate category. If you would like to contact me off line
I would be more than happy to pass on what I have found to work for me. It will
be great to get another 52 flying competition.
Noel Jones
www.BadYak.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
Flat spin recovery in the Yak-52 can require in-spin aileron for
numerous rotations.
On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:09 AM, bill wade wrote:
> Hi Tom I think your going to have to find a pilot that is competent
> and comfortable in the upright flat spin in a "YAK 52". When I got
> my training it was very apparent that the "YAK 52" would not
> immediately recover from the upright flat spin and had I ever
> encountered one without the proper training it would have most
> likely gone to the ground. That said I've done a lot of acro and
> screwed up a lot of maneuvers and stalled spun the airplane on most
> practice flights and NEVER has the airplane gone flat
> unintentionally. I've never flown a Yak 55 but I know the airplane
> is more of an acro aircraft than a 52 and would probably have
> different recovery procedures. I had my training with Nikolay
> Timofeev.
> Bill Wade
>
> From: Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:51:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from
> you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US
> Advanced
> Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and
> e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively,
> I'll
> be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA,
> but probably farther than FL or VA...
>
> Scott Poehlmann
> Yak 55M N155YK
>
> On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith<thomas_csmith@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done
> just a few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in
> my Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests.
> >
> > Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures,
> especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I
> live at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane).
> >
> > I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but
> wanted to find someone closer. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Tom Smith
> > thomas_csmith@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >uilder's Bookstore
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Training |
The attached article titled "Spins Unspun" was published in a 2002
Quarterly Warbird Flyer of the then Yak Pilots Association. The spin
tests were conducted by the University of Tennessee Space Institute.
For those that have not seen this before, you might find it interesting
and informative.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Wobschall
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training
Flat spin recovery in the Yak-52 can require in-spin aileron for
numerous rotations.
On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:09 AM, bill wade wrote:
Hi Tom I think your going to have to find a pilot that is competent
and comfortable in the upright flat spin in a "YAK 52". When I got my
training it was very apparent that the "YAK 52" would not immediately
recover from the upright flat spin and had I ever encountered one
without the proper training it would have most likely gone to the
ground. That said I've done a lot of acro and screwed up a lot of
maneuvers and stalled spun the airplane on most practice flights and
NEVER has the airplane gone flat unintentionally. I've never flown a Yak
55 but I know the airplane is more of an acro aircraft than a 52 and
would probably have different recovery procedures. I had my training
with Nikolay Timofeev.
Bill Wade
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From: Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:51:15 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training
Hi Tom,
Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away
from
you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US
Advanced
Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and
e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively,
I'll
be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as
CA,
but probably farther than FL or VA...
Scott Poehlmann
Yak 55M N155YK
On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas
Smith<thomas_csmith@yahoo.com>
>
> Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done
just a few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in my
Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests.
>
> Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures,
especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I
live at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane).
>
> I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but
wanted to find someone closer. Any suggestions?
>
> Tom Smith
> thomas_csmith@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi all, in Tom Smith's aerobatic post he referenced a Russian yak instructor located
in Virginia. I recently purchased a yak 52 and would also like to get more
aerobatic training. Does anyone have information on this? I'm based at KPVG
Hampton Roads Exec. Airport locate just outside of Norfolk. Thanks for the help.............Cheers,
Dan
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Sergei Prolagayav is one of the most experienced in Yak 52 aerobatics that I have
had the pleasure to fly with. He competed in yak 52 worlds, and in Unlimited
worlds in Sukhois a couple times. Unfortunately, I no longer have his contact
info. Does anyone else have it? He would be my pick if I had a family member
with a Yak 52!
Rick Volker
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ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training
Sent: Dec 27, 2010 9:53 PM
Hi all, in Tom Smith's aerobatic post he referenced a Russian yak instructor located
in Virginia. I recently purchased a yak 52 and would also like to get more
aerobatic training. Does anyone have information on this? I'm based at KPVG
Hampton Roads Exec. Airport locate just outside of Norfolk. Thanks for the help.............Cheers,
Dan
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sergie # 703-319-2028
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On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:29 PM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote:
>
> Sergei Prolagayav is one of the most experienced in Yak 52 aerobatics that I
have had the pleasure to fly with. He competed in yak 52 worlds, and in Unlimited
worlds in Sukhois a couple times. Unfortunately, I no longer have his contact
info. Does anyone else have it? He would be my pick if I had a family member
with a Yak 52!
> Rick Volker
> ------Original Message------
> From: n52wn
> Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training
> Sent: Dec 27, 2010 9:53 PM
>
>
> Hi all, in Tom Smith's aerobatic post he referenced a Russian yak instructor
located in Virginia. I recently purchased a yak 52 and would also like to get
more aerobatic training. Does anyone have information on this? I'm based at KPVG
Hampton Roads Exec. Airport locate just outside of Norfolk. Thanks for the
help.............Cheers, Dan
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This is an issue that greatly concerns me,as it should anyone who spins
the 52.
The 52 will always recover,but particularly from a flat spin,recovery is
not always conventional;can be very prolonged;stick forces VERY high.
Martin Stahlik,then number 7 in the World,and a superb aerobatic
pilot,but with no 52 experience,spun down to the ground in a 52.
This is why proper instruction by an experienced 52 instructor is
critical.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
I=92m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone
is +94 779 132 160.
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Richard,
I have read the various Yak 52 spin literature in the past and have always wondered
if the high stick forces quoted were in a Yak 52 with the original centering
springs (or "bungees" as a lot of people call them) installed. I have flown
Yaks with and without these installed and of course noticed quite a difference
in control feel and forces during maneuvering at the extremes of the envelope.
TIA
Mike Hastings
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