---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/27/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:55 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Scott Poehlmann) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Richard.Goode) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (cjpilot710@aol.com) 4. 08:15 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (bill wade) 5. 08:25 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Eric Wobschall) 6. 11:17 AM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Roger Kemp M.D.) 7. 12:51 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Noel Jones) 8. 01:59 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (Eric Wobschall) 9. 02:42 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (A. Dennis Savarese) 10. 06:58 PM - Re: Aerobatic Training (n52wn) 11. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatic Training (rick@rvairshows.com) 12. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatic Training (Roger Kemp M.D.) 13. 09:02 PM - 52 spinning (Richard.Goode) 14. 10:40 PM - Re: 52 spinning (mikspin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:59 AM PST US From: Scott Poehlmann Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Hi Tom, Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA, but probably farther than FL or VA... Scott Poehlmann Yak 55M N155YK On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith > > Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in my Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests. > > Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures, especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I live at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane). > > I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but wanted to find someone closer. Any suggestions? > > Tom Smith > thomas_csmith@yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:29 AM PST US From: "Richard.Goode" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Hi Tom, Before spinning the 52 DO make sure you have good instruction by a pilot who is really experienced on type.It is a safe plane in that it will always recover,but with the correct procedure,and without it can bite the unwary!! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com I'm currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Poehlmann" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training > > Hi Tom, > > Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from > you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced > Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and > e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll > be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA, > but probably farther than FL or VA... > > Scott Poehlmann > Yak 55M N155YK > > On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith >> >> Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a >> few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in my >> Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests. >> >> Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures, >> especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I live >> at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane). >> >> I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but wanted >> to find someone closer. Any suggestions? >> >> Tom Smith >> thomas_csmith@yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the > Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. > http://www.invictawiz.com > ----------------------------------------------- > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:39 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training You might want to check the rudder cables covers on the floor and make sure the ends at the rudder bar are trimmed at an angle. I understand a number of the Russians pros, do this to keep a foot from getting caught at the heel, during large rudder displacement in spins. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:30 AM PST US From: bill wade Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Hi Tom I think your going to have to find a pilot that is competent and =0A comfortable in the upright flat spin in a "YAK 52". When I got my training it =0Awas very apparent that the "YAK 52" would not immediately recover fro m the =0Aupright flat spin and had I ever encountered one without the prope r training it =0Awould have most likely gone to the ground. That said I've done a lot of acro and =0Ascrewed up a lot of maneuvers and stalled spun th e airplane on most practice =0Aflights and-NEVER has the airplane gone fl at unintentionally. I've never flown a =0AYak 55 but I know the airplane is more of an acro aircraft than a 52 and would =0Aprobably have different re covery procedures. I had my training with Nikolay =0ATimofeev.=0ABill Wade =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Scott Poehlmann =0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6 :51:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training=0A=0A--> Yak-List mes sage posted by: Scott Poehlmann =0A=0AHi Tom,=0A=0ALet m e get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from =0Ayou, w as a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced =0ATeam f or many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and =0Ae-mail ad dress to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll =0Abe happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA,- =0Abut pr obably farther than FL or VA...=0A=0AScott Poehlmann=0AYak 55M N155YK=0A=0A On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote:=0A> -->- Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith=0A>=0A> Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a few =0A>loops and rolls in i t. Have done all the basic figures in my Citabria, as well =0A>as flying it in two IAC contests.=0A>=0A> Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures, especially =0A>spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards.- I live at Crossville, TN =0A>(home of Trade-a-Plane). =0A>=0A> I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but wanted to =0A>find someone closer.- Any suggestions?=0A>=0A> Tom Smith =0A> thomas_csmith@yahoo.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:50 AM PST US From: Eric Wobschall Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Good advice. I recommend that you remove the plate with the rudder cable channels, clamp it securely to your work bench so it doesn't vibrate, and do it with a big flat file. If you take your time doing it this way, it will look very nice. I'm guessing that some machinist- type Yak-listers may have a slicker (or quicker) way to do this, but the primitive method does yield good results. 30 or so degrees will keep even duty boots from getting caught. People who use racing shoes or shoes that aren't particularly square in the back may not run in to this problem. On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote: > You might want to check the rudder cables covers on the floor and > make sure the ends at the rudder bar are trimmed at an angle. > > I understand a number of the Russians pros, do this to keep a foot > from getting caught at the heel, during large rudder displacement in > spins. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:59 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Pappy, Those are recommended to be removed entirely for that reason. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Good advice. I recommend that you remove the plate with the rudder cable channels, clamp it securely to your work bench so it doesn't vibrate, and do it with a big flat file. If you take your time doing it this way, it will look very nice. I'm guessing that some machinist-type Yak-listers may have a slicker (or quicker) way to do this, but the primitive method does yield good results. 30 or so degrees will keep even duty boots from getting caught. People who use racing shoes or shoes that aren't particularly square in the back may not run in to this problem. On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote: You might want to check the rudder cables covers on the floor and make sure the ends at the rudder bar are trimmed at an angle. I understand a number of the Russians pros, do this to keep a foot from getting caught at the heel, during large rudder displacement in spins. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:03 PM PST US From: Noel Jones Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Tom, I offer aerobatic instruction, upset recovery,as well as aircraft check outs in the Yak 52, but unfortunately my locale is not what you are looking for as I am based out of Oregon. I have flown competition aerobatics for the past 5 years and have taken the Yak 52 through the intermediate category. If you would like to contact me off line I would be more than happy to pass on what I have found to work for me. It will be great to get another 52 flying competition. Noel Jones www.BadYak.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:19 PM PST US From: Eric Wobschall Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Flat spin recovery in the Yak-52 can require in-spin aileron for numerous rotations. On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:09 AM, bill wade wrote: > Hi Tom I think your going to have to find a pilot that is competent > and comfortable in the upright flat spin in a "YAK 52". When I got > my training it was very apparent that the "YAK 52" would not > immediately recover from the upright flat spin and had I ever > encountered one without the proper training it would have most > likely gone to the ground. That said I've done a lot of acro and > screwed up a lot of maneuvers and stalled spun the airplane on most > practice flights and NEVER has the airplane gone flat > unintentionally. I've never flown a Yak 55 but I know the airplane > is more of an acro aircraft than a 52 and would probably have > different recovery procedures. I had my training with Nikolay > Timofeev. > Bill Wade > > From: Scott Poehlmann > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:51:15 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training > > > Hi Tom, > > Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from > you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US > Advanced > Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and > e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, > I'll > be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA, > but probably farther than FL or VA... > > Scott Poehlmann > Yak 55M N155YK > > On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith > > > > > Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done > just a few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in > my Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests. > > > > Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures, > especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I > live at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane). > > > > I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but > wanted to find someone closer. Any suggestions? > > > > Tom Smith > > thomas_csmith@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >uilder's Bookstore > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:53 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training The attached article titled "Spins Unspun" was published in a 2002 Quarterly Warbird Flyer of the then Yak Pilots Association. The spin tests were conducted by the University of Tennessee Space Institute. For those that have not seen this before, you might find it interesting and informative. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Wobschall To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Flat spin recovery in the Yak-52 can require in-spin aileron for numerous rotations. On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:09 AM, bill wade wrote: Hi Tom I think your going to have to find a pilot that is competent and comfortable in the upright flat spin in a "YAK 52". When I got my training it was very apparent that the "YAK 52" would not immediately recover from the upright flat spin and had I ever encountered one without the proper training it would have most likely gone to the ground. That said I've done a lot of acro and screwed up a lot of maneuvers and stalled spun the airplane on most practice flights and NEVER has the airplane gone flat unintentionally. I've never flown a Yak 55 but I know the airplane is more of an acro aircraft than a 52 and would probably have different recovery procedures. I had my training with Nikolay Timofeev. Bill Wade ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Scott Poehlmann To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:51:15 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerobatic Training Hi Tom, Let me get you in touch with Tom Adams. He lives not too far away from you, was a Yak 55 owner for many years, and a member of the US Advanced Team for many years. Unless you object, I'll forward your e-mail and e-mail address to him and let you guys get together. Alternatively, I'll be happy to teach you, but I am in El Paso, Texas... Not as far as CA, but probably farther than FL or VA... Scott Poehlmann Yak 55M N155YK On 12-26-2010 13:22, Thomas Smith wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Thomas Smith > > Have been half owner in a Yak 52 for about a year now, and done just a few loops and rolls in it. Have done all the basic figures in my Citabria, as well as flying it in two IAC contests. > > Want to find someone fairly close by who can teach me the figures, especially spins, in the Yak done to competition (IAC) standards. I live at Crossville, TN (home of Trade-a-Plane). > > I know there are the two Russian guys in Florida and Virginia, but wanted to find someone closer. Any suggestions? > > Tom Smith > thomas_csmith@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >uilder's Bookstore color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:11 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training From: "n52wn" Hi all, in Tom Smith's aerobatic post he referenced a Russian yak instructor located in Virginia. I recently purchased a yak 52 and would also like to get more aerobatic training. Does anyone have information on this? I'm based at KPVG Hampton Roads Exec. Airport locate just outside of Norfolk. Thanks for the help.............Cheers, Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324743#324743 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training From: rick@rvairshows.com Sergei Prolagayav is one of the most experienced in Yak 52 aerobatics that I have had the pleasure to fly with. He competed in yak 52 worlds, and in Unlimited worlds in Sukhois a couple times. Unfortunately, I no longer have his contact info. Does anyone else have it? He would be my pick if I had a family member with a Yak 52! Rick Volker ------Original Message------ From: n52wn Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training Sent: Dec 27, 2010 9:53 PM Hi all, in Tom Smith's aerobatic post he referenced a Russian yak instructor located in Virginia. I recently purchased a yak 52 and would also like to get more aerobatic training. Does anyone have information on this? I'm based at KPVG Hampton Roads Exec. Airport locate just outside of Norfolk. Thanks for the help.............Cheers, Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324743#324743 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training From: "Roger Kemp M.D." sergie # 703-319-2028 doc Sent from my iPad On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:29 PM, rick@rvairshows.com wrote: > > Sergei Prolagayav is one of the most experienced in Yak 52 aerobatics that I have had the pleasure to fly with. He competed in yak 52 worlds, and in Unlimited worlds in Sukhois a couple times. Unfortunately, I no longer have his contact info. Does anyone else have it? He would be my pick if I had a family member with a Yak 52! > Rick Volker > ------Original Message------ > From: n52wn > Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatic Training > Sent: Dec 27, 2010 9:53 PM > > > Hi all, in Tom Smith's aerobatic post he referenced a Russian yak instructor located in Virginia. I recently purchased a yak 52 and would also like to get more aerobatic training. Does anyone have information on this? I'm based at KPVG Hampton Roads Exec. Airport locate just outside of Norfolk. Thanks for the help.............Cheers, Dan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324743#324743 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:50 PM PST US From: "Richard.Goode" Subject: Yak-List: 52 spinning This is an issue that greatly concerns me,as it should anyone who spins the 52. The 52 will always recover,but particularly from a flat spin,recovery is not always conventional;can be very prolonged;stick forces VERY high. Martin Stahlik,then number 7 in the World,and a superb aerobatic pilot,but with no 52 experience,spun down to the ground in a 52. This is why proper instruction by an experienced 52 instructor is critical. Richard Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com I=92m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:24 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: 52 spinning From: "mikspin" Richard, I have read the various Yak 52 spin literature in the past and have always wondered if the high stick forces quoted were in a Yak 52 with the original centering springs (or "bungees" as a lot of people call them) installed. I have flown Yaks with and without these installed and of course noticed quite a difference in control feel and forces during maneuvering at the extremes of the envelope. 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