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1. 05:26 AM - Gordon "Buzzard" (Russ)
2. 01:36 PM - Re: In defense of CJs (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
3. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang Registry ()
4. 02:46 PM - interest in Dallas-area formation clinic in May? (Jon Boede)
5. 05:23 PM - Re: In defense of CJs (N642K)
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| Subject: | Gordon "Buzzard" |
Sorry for the late reply.
He and his family (which includes you all, his RPA family) have been added
to my prayer list.
Russ "Bull" Witte-Dycus
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| Subject: | In defense of CJs |
Well of course as a YAK-50 owner, I have to weigh in here. It is not
really accurate for folks to use the term "Yak" in a general sort of
way. There is a ton of difference in the performance between the YAK-52
(all models), the YAK-50, the YAK-54 and the YAK-55.
What is Vne on the CJ ??? Is it above about 285 MPH? I don't think
so. So, yes.... the YAK-50 can outrun the CJ in a dive. Kind of like
the P-47 Thunderbolt. It could run away from just about anything in a
dive. The YAK-50 can easily out dive the CJ.
What is maximum level speed at full throttle of the CJ-6 ?? The YAK-50
claims 200 mph straight and level. Personally, I have never seen that.
On a perfect day, I have achieved a measured 197 mph WFO, and that means
intentionally exceeding the maximum full power output time limitations.
That's with the 360 HP M-14P and a stock Russian paddle blade prop.
The YAK-50 has a better thrust to weight ratio and can indeed fight in
the vertical far better than the CJ. It also has a higher roll rate,
and higher G limitations, although it is not very smart to run it up to
9 G's anymore.
Of course there is always the matter of pilot skills, and his or her
knowledge of tactics, and I agree with Pappy 100%. You don't fight to
the other guy's strengths! ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
For what it is worth, I do indeed tend to go vertical with any opponent
when I know my vertical penetration is going to greatly exceed that of
my opponent. As far as it working only in a canned setup with a
cooperating bogey, I would go back to actual accounts of WW-II with the
written stories of actual fighter pilots going against Jap Zero's. This
tactic was used very effectively against American pilots in the
beginning of the war and accounted for a lot of lost American aircraft,
until our aircraft improved enough to where the roles were reversed. We
initially countered their aircraft handling superiority with "tactics"
designed to force them into fighting to our strengths, just like Pappy
said.
Any Yak can be defeated by any CJ, given the right circumstances.
However, the performance of the YAK-50 in a dogfight is vastly superior
to the CJ-6. This is not a matter of pride of ownership (well, OK...
maybe a little) but really is a simple matter of just looking at the
numbers.
The YAK-50 has a higher rate of climb, a higher thrust to weight ratio,
better vertical penetration, better roll rate, and higher G limitations.
It is a purpose built aerobatic aircraft. The CJ does not have any of
these strengths. All that said, put the right guy into the CJ and he
will probably beat the YAK-50 every time. But given equal pilot skill
and knowledge levels, I don't honestly see how a CJ-6 could ever beat a
YAK-50.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: In defense of CJs
Oh No Goatboy. You've crossed a line here. I've yet seen a Yak out run
a CJ. You don't fight to the other guy's strength. You kill with your
own. AC101 "Boots"
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave "Goatboy" Jester <wdjester@cox.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 7:58 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: In defense of CJs
gheez, how about a little poetic license...
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: In defense of CJs
Here we go.....:-)
Dennis
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From: Paul Hamlin <mailto:ph451@yahoo.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: In defense of CJs
You may have have read in the latest issue of Red Alert, the magazine of
the Red Star Pilots Association, "you Yak guys go verticle when
maneuvering against a CJ, works every time." It should be noted that
this works particularly well in a canned setup with a cooperating bogey.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Nanchang Registry |
Steve and Donna Hanshew
Leesburg, Ohio
1972 CJ-6A Ser No. 2751259
---- matt salkeld <msalkeld@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Harv
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> Far too many sources. Some straight from the Manufacturer (http://www.hongdu.com.cn/) Most civil stuff straight off the civil registry's. Military aircraft are from a variety of sources (still several hundred military CJ6 / PT6 not listed yet) Hongdu (Nanchang) says they have over 2400 built now
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> Cheers
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> Matt
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| Subject: | interest in Dallas-area formation clinic in May? |
Am thinking of putting together a RPA formation clinic in the Dallas area o
n the weekend of May 14th=2C which is the weekend after Mother's Day this y
ear.
Please email me if you would be vaguely interested in coming... just trying
to get a feel for it right now.
Also=2C if this conflicts with another event=2C please let me know.
Thanks=2C
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: In defense of CJs |
You will probably beat me up in your Yak. I'll still be smiling. I have a back
seater, a hundred pounds of beer, luggage and probably your weekend laundry
onboard. [Wink]
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