---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/25/11: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: GT YAK blades (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: GT YAK blades (Eric Wobschall) 3. 11:44 AM - Customer Service Example (Cpayne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:38 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: GT YAK blades I recently installed a set of Whirlwind blades on a Yak 52. The aircraft owner paid $6K USD for them. I'll be installing another set on another Yak 52 in a couple of weeks along with Whirlwind's new spinner, which looks a lot like the big spinner on the MTV-9 prop. I believe the Whirlwind spinner is $1.5K and fits the V530 hub regardless of whether the the blades are Whirlwind, GT or the original Russian paddle blades. Speaking of Russian blades, if anyone is interested in a pair of Russian blades which were removed from the Yak 52 with the Whirlwind blades, contact me off list at dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net. Have them at a good price. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 1/24/2011 11:23 PM, Chris Wise wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Chris Wise" > > G'Day Eric, > > Glad to hear that. > Are you running a set of GT Blades? And if so, how do you find them? > I would be interested to know the price of the Whirlwind blades. > > Cheers, > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall > Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:32 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: GT YAK blades > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Eric Wobschall > > I can facilitate blade purchases here in the USA. Contact me off list. > > > On Jan 24, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Chris Wise wrote: > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Chris Wise" >> >> G'Day Craig, >> >> I have found that whilst there is a slight com problem with Alex from GT > props in Italy, with a little bit of patience on both sides it seems to > resolve itself and all works out fine. >> I am running a set of GT blades on our 18T and have sold some blades for > Yaks here in Australia. >> This came about as I was looking for alternative blades to replace the > V-530 blades. >> Whilst there were no GT blades fitted to M14P in Australia, plenty of > others, I decided to buy a set as they are less than half the cost of a MT > prop. >> Turned out to be a good decision. >> >> As I have previously mentioned, there is a notable performance increase > and is very noticeable during aerobatic manoeuvres. >> In fact, I sold a set of Blades to replace the original V-530 blades to a > bloke that has built, and is flying, a Culp Special with M14P. >> He reports less take off distance, better climb performance and cruise and > far less turbulence around the cockpit area that was created by the vortex > of the old blades. >> >> It is as Richard so nicely explained, be it a set of GT or Whirlwind > blades or whatever, the fact that all these blades are of modern design > incorporating modern technology, there has to be a improved performance, but > it would be nice to see some actual test results. >> >> I have a spare M14P engine and I had intentions of upgrading the > supercharger with a kit supplied by Richard Goode and also replacing the > pistons with a set from Monty Barrett. >> This would have given a little over 400hp and I am totally happy running > the blades with that H.P. >> Unfortunately I have had to temporarily put this project on the > backburner. >> >> These blades, as will the V-530, will also simply disintegrate in the > event of mishap. >> >> It is a shame that there are difficulties with Humberto and in view of > that, should you be interested in a set of blades, I can perhaps > circumnavigate sourcing blades from your North American rep, Humberto, and > organize to supply a set of blades for M14P direct from factory thru my > account. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Cheers from Downunder, >> Chris. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 9:02 AM >> To: yak-list >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: GT YAK blades >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne >> >> Buongiorno Alex, >> >> So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a > set of those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or > Oshkosh? I have tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous > times but something got lost in translation. >> >> It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our > airplanes Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your > Engineering department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to > translate into sales. >> >> Craig Payne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:32 AM PST US From: Eric Wobschall Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: GT YAK blades Hi, Chris... Yes, I have a set on my Yak-52, and they've been great. The main advantages: Very smooth and any balancing needed was due to the hub, not the blades. Obvious increase in thrust on the ground roll, which is shorter. Pull off the runway is more dramatic. After that, climb is a bit better, and cruise pretty close to the stock blades. The finish is lovely, like most modern propellers and the leading edge is bullet-proof. Other than that, I like the fact that there have been many sets of these in use for several years, and they're available. The price is right in there with the other (new) blade alternatives (off list if you want details). With the old blades in short supply, I think we're lucky to have all of these options in a niche market. If you've seen the Whirlwind restoration of the old blades, you know what kind of work they do, but of course, you need to start with a set of (old) blades, which you may not have available. If you had to get some used blades, then have them restored, the price is usually pretty close. The new blade options that are being developed now are coming from people we all trust. Without George and Cliff, Jill and Carl, Dennis, Doug, Richard, Jim, and I know I'm forgetting a few, we'd be in trouble. Having said all of this, we've gotten to know GT, mainly because they've been at some events in our region. When you meet them face to face, you're very impressed with their propellers and what they've been doing over the years. I guess we're "spoilt for choice" as the British might say. Stay Dry... -Eric On Jan 25, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Chris Wise wrote: > > G'Day Eric, > > Glad to hear that. > Are you running a set of GT Blades? And if so, how do you find them? > I would be interested to know the price of the Whirlwind blades. > > Cheers, > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall > Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:32 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: GT YAK blades > > > I can facilitate blade purchases here in the USA. Contact me off list. > > > On Jan 24, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Chris Wise wrote: > >> >> G'Day Craig, >> >> I have found that whilst there is a slight com problem with Alex from GT > props in Italy, with a little bit of patience on both sides it seems to > resolve itself and all works out fine. >> I am running a set of GT blades on our 18T and have sold some blades for > Yaks here in Australia. >> This came about as I was looking for alternative blades to replace the > V-530 blades. >> Whilst there were no GT blades fitted to M14P in Australia, plenty of > others, I decided to buy a set as they are less than half the cost of a MT > prop. >> Turned out to be a good decision. >> >> As I have previously mentioned, there is a notable performance increase > and is very noticeable during aerobatic manoeuvres. >> In fact, I sold a set of Blades to replace the original V-530 blades to a > bloke that has built, and is flying, a Culp Special with M14P. >> He reports less take off distance, better climb performance and cruise and > far less turbulence around the cockpit area that was created by the vortex > of the old blades. >> >> It is as Richard so nicely explained, be it a set of GT or Whirlwind > blades or whatever, the fact that all these blades are of modern design > incorporating modern technology, there has to be a improved performance, but > it would be nice to see some actual test results. >> >> I have a spare M14P engine and I had intentions of upgrading the > supercharger with a kit supplied by Richard Goode and also replacing the > pistons with a set from Monty Barrett. >> This would have given a little over 400hp and I am totally happy running > the blades with that H.P. >> Unfortunately I have had to temporarily put this project on the > backburner. >> >> These blades, as will the V-530, will also simply disintegrate in the > event of mishap. >> >> It is a shame that there are difficulties with Humberto and in view of > that, should you be interested in a set of blades, I can perhaps > circumnavigate sourcing blades from your North American rep, Humberto, and > organize to supply a set of blades for M14P direct from factory thru my > account. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Cheers from Downunder, >> Chris. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 9:02 AM >> To: yak-list >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: GT YAK blades >> >> >> Buongiorno Alex, >> >> So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a > set of those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or > Oshkosh? I have tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous > times but something got lost in translation. >> >> It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our > airplanes Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your > Engineering department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to > translate into sales. >> >> Craig Payne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Eric D. Wobschall Buffalo Skyline Buffalo-Lancaster Airport (KBQR): 4343 Walden Avenue Lancaster, NY 14086 Office: 2120 Maple Road Williamsville, NY 14221-1922 716.208.5460 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:59 AM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: Customer Service Example Prospective Yak/CJ Buyers; Here is a sample of what I'm talking about when I referred to the GT Propeller. My problem is not with the product but with the attitude of their Sales Office: Craig Payne >> >> From: Humberto Dramisino [Edit Address Book] Subject: Re: conosci Dear Craig, I just receive this email back from GT and it looks like that the only thing got lost in the translation is the is the fact if you have the money to buy or not. I wrote you many emails if you wish i can forwarded back all of them to you, but looks like at the end you want a free set of blade. Sorry Craig here at GT we doing business we don't have time to deal with bullshit. Are you ready to pay? We are ready to show you that this is the best propeller for your stock hub. Let us know when you are ready to do serious business. Best regards, Humberto Dramisino >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.