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Without taking any position at all in this dispute, I want to make it clear
and state that it's not a good idea to fight out any misunderstandings on
this forum.
Many of the participants on this list make a contribution so that it can
continue living. Most of us need this list because it's a very valuable
add-on to whatever information on Yaks or CJ's is available. Very often
problems have been sold after asking a question on this list.
So PLEASE stick to the rules of conduct as published regularly by Matt.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtnorth
Sent: zaterdag 29 januari 2011 3:27
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Subject: Customer Service Example
Dear Mr. Craig Payne, since it looks like I'm the bad guy, and you like to
go public, I will put public all the email you sent me with my answer and
let the other friends on the forum make their own conclusion.
Let's start:
from Cpayne
reply-to Cpayne
to hdramisino@gmail.com
date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 5:57 AM
subject Yak prop
mailed-by joimail.com
hide details 5/25/08
Sir;
Is that new propeller for the Yak a complete unit? I'm really only
interested in new blades that fit the old hub.
Craig Payne
Humberto's answer:
Humberto Dramisino
to Cpayne
cc GT PROPELLERS
date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM
subject Re: Yak prop
mailed-by gmail.com
hide details 5/25/08
Dear Craig,
No they fit the original hub, you only have to do after installation a
dynamic balancing.
Please contact me for any other information
this is some information for you:
New GT2-V-25 blades versus V-530 Vperod
Type: Type :
GT2-V-25 V-530
Tractor Tractor
Two blade Two blade
Hub application : V530 V530
Installation :Screwed in to hub Same
Diameter : 2.50/98,4" 2.40/94.5"
Maximal blade width :245 mm/96" 240 mm/94.4
Weight:About 9 kgs/18 Po. a blade Same
Construction:Wood/carbon all wood
Leading protection :Composite metal
Blade design: Scimitar Oar Shape
Airfoils : GT design Unknown
Inertia moment : 05 KG-MP SP.S 05 KG-MP SP.S
Application: 2.50/98", 360 hp 360 HP
Looking : Modern sleek styled Old style
Availability : New production Only used
Maintenance : Spare blades /Oh Recon.old
PERFORMANCE AND ADVANTAGES .
Thanks to greater diameter and modern airfoils adopted on GT blades,
tested in various flying conditions for years, many Yak 52 achieved
outstanding performance compared to standard original blades :
- Greater static thrust.
- Shorter take off distance,both grass or hard surfaces.
- Higher cruise speed @ any power setting.
- @ 70% of power setting an average of 15 / 18 KMH / 8 /10 KTS faster.
- Shorter landings thanks to greater propeller disc.
- More energic feeling during all aerobatic manoeuvres.
- Very good cooling in hot places.
- Reduced noise level both in the cockpit that out side.
- Smoother engine running.
- Lower fuel burning.
- Reduced engine damage when prop ground impact compared to blade made
of aluminium or all composite.
FEATURES :
Blades diameter can be arraged from 2.50/98", up to 2.65/104".
Standard configuration scimitar tips shaped.
Square shaped blasdes on request.
Metal leading edge in progress.
For unlimited aerobatic operatos using 400/420 HP a greater metal
blade retention is adopted.
Standard finishing is high gloss White,Black,Grey.
Custom paint on request.
Carbon finishing is now available on request .
Worldwide delivery .
Standard YAK 52 360 HP 2.50/98", diameter.
Other aircrafts using GT2-V-25 blades :
Yak 52 TW.
Yak 50.
Yak 55.
Yak 18.
Other tests are in progress .
Comparation
GT2-V-25 price versus V530 and three blade.
A reconditioned V-530 blades cost about 1.600,00 Euros with better
looking. No performance increase.
New GT blades with higher performance cost
5.500,00 Euros.
Alternative :
Three blade with modern looking and high performance cost about : 13.000
Euros
Wich of these three options is your best solution ?
IMPORTANT :
GT-PROPELLERS supply only M-14 blades own designed and produced,
statically balanced.
GT-Propellers strongly advice to make new prop balance after
installing the GT new blades.
For every kind of M-14 application GT Propellers can advice you the
best individual solution.
Best regards,
Humberto
After this email I wrote another email to many YAK pilots and this was the
email: (please everybody notice the the date)
From: Humberto Dramisino
Cc: GT PROPELLERS
Sent: 2/4/2009 6:42:26 AM
Subject: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
Dear Sir,
My name is Humberto Dramisino and I'm a business partner with GT propeller
in Italy.
GT is an old manufacture of propeller for aircraft and they do propeller for
warbird like your CJ and many other.
I will receive by the end of February one set of blade for your aircraft and
I'm looking for somebody interested to buy them, all the test they were
already made in Italy and Romania, and the result were outstanding compared
to the original one.
The price for both propeller delivered to you is 8989.00, attached to this
email you have the manual please have a look.
Our propeller are made in high densified wood, and are capable to use all
the power of your engine not limited like some of our competitors.
If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Best regards,
Humberto
Mr. Craig answer was:
rom yakman@joimail.com
reply-to yakman@joimail.com
to Humberto Dramisino
date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
subject RE: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
hide details 2/4/09
Humberto,
Thank you for the offer. Have not I seen this propeller blade replacement
offerring for over 3 years now? At $8989 USD for blades only, I am afraid
that the MTV 3-blade, with hub, becomes a viable option. At a price point of
$4000 - $5000 USD, the blades could get some initial market share, leading
to later price increases. Perhaps if your company could visit the major
events like Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh with a flying demo version, you could
start getting orders in the U.S.
I could try your prop blades and show them off as I am located at Lakeland
Florida at the Sun 'N Fun location and also fly at Oshkosh AirVenure each
year.
Could I also suggest that your Yak Manual could use some editing of the
English translation? This is something I could do. I spent my career in the
technical world and have authored many of the manuals available on the
RedStar Pilots Association website.
Craig Payne
This is my answer:
rom Humberto Dramisino
to yakman@joimail.com
cc GT PROPELLERS
date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:27 PM
subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
mailed-by gmail.com
hide details 2/4/09
Dear Craig,
Thank you for your quick response, just to clarify, the price is for the two
blade delivered (shipping included), you have to only remove the original
and put the new one on it, same hub.
The two blade perform way better than the 3 blade from MT you can not even
compare them, test were done in Italy.
3 blades look only nicer if you want, no more than that.
with GT-Propeller we guarantee better climb, better cruise at same rpm,
shorter landing, low noise comparable to 3 blades, , not to mention better
fuel economy.
The foil design by GT Italy only for the Yak's type airplane is not a
generic prop like MT.
If you interested please let me know, we are looking for serious people to
do serious business, we are not looking for somebody to test because as I
mentioned test were already done for the past 5 years, the product is final
and outperform anything that today is on the market.
I will have soon the first set in north America please let me know if there
is any interest on your side.
We are so sure about our quality that in our policy is if you are not
satisfy we will take the propeller back and you will be refund in full, this
is how we now that our product is the best, try to ask MT to do the same.
Best regards,
Humberto
This is Mr. Craig answer:
from yakman@joimail.com
reply-to yakman@joimail.com
to Humberto Dramisino
date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 AM
subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
hide details 2/5/09
Humberto,
It's not about testing, it's about marketing. Many owners tend to discount
claims made by manufacturers and trust what they hear from a fellow owner
and see flying. Even if your blades could perform as you state, no one is
going to believe it without visible proof.
The 3-blade "looks" better also, this is important to many owners.
Regardless, you will find few sales at those prices. As for the existing
2-blade V530, Whirlwind Propeller will refurbish an existing set of blades
with a composite cover and nickel edge for around $2500 per pair, delivered.
They look great and last a long time.
My aircraft is a Nanchang CJ-6 with M-14P engine and large spinner, my
speeds are much higher than the Yaks. Could your propeller perform as well
on this kind of airframe? Engineering claims will not matter as much as real
comparisons by private owners.
Craig Payne
This is my last email before he stated "something got lost in the
translation:
from Humberto Dramisino
to yakman@joimail.com
cc GT PROPELLERS
date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:45 AM
subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
mailed-by gmail.com
hide details 2/5/09
Dear Craig,
Like I mentioned to you I'm only looking somebody serious to sell my first
set of blade, and it amazed me how in this field owners of airplane are only
looking for the cheapest thing in the market to mounted on one of the most
important part of the airplane, and they don't look for more tangible
improvement, not to mention safety.
I see people repair cracked wood propeller on these airplanes by adding a
piece of wood in the crack with glue, sand it and flying it, when in Italy
we not even use them to hang it on the wall.
I also notice that often some pilot spend many thousand of dollar in useless
instrument when the only important thing that hold them in the air they want
it as cheap as possible, well I don't want to generalize and that's way I
know i will find somebody that understand all this.
About the speed of your airplane yes the propeller will do the perfect job
on yours as well, if your airplane is more sleek in the air it will use more
pitch and the blade is design for that.
I will keep you posted,
Best regards,
Humberto Dramisino
Since than I never heard from you, until you wrote to GT the following:
Buongiorno Alex,
So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a set
of those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh? I
have tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous times but
something got lost in translation.
It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our
airplanes Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your
Engineering department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to
translate into sales.
Craig Payne
After this email... sorry guys I blew out, why? because after all the tests
done by Rick Volker in USA, and many other pilots worldwide, you are still
wondering if these blades are good or not, and trying to convince us to send
you a free set for you to test. Sorry you came too late, no test no more, if
want them you will have to pay.
About the manufacturers that are doing good looking replacement propellers I
tell you: sorry, GT is focused on making hi performance propellers not only
good looking design, and safety is our first target on our product.
That's why GT takes the time to develop products - behind those blades there
are years of testing, test after test.
The material GT use is one of the best available in world from the wood to
the composite, no compromise, no cheap off corners.
GT doesn't make cheap propellers. If you are looking to save money and buy a
less expensive propeller and, you like to be a Guinea pig for others then do
what you please.
If you'd like to discuss business, I can be available any time, just call
me.
Best regards,
Humberto
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328871#328871
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Take this dispute off the Yak list. I for one am not interested in
reading or seeing your personal emails. If you have a disagreement with
someone, email or speak to that person directly.
Dennis
On 1/28/2011 8:27 PM, gtnorth wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "gtnorth"<hdramisino@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Mr. Craig Payne, since it looks like I'm the bad guy, and you like to go
public, I will put public all the email you sent me with my answer and let the
other friends on the forum make their own conclusion.
>
> Let's start:
>
> from Cpayne
> reply-to Cpayne
> to hdramisino@gmail.com
> date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 5:57 AM
> subject Yak prop
> mailed-by joimail.com
> hide details 5/25/08
> Sir;
>
> Is that new propeller for the Yak a complete unit? I'm really only interested
in new blades that fit the old hub.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> Humberto's answer:
>
> Humberto Dramisino
> to Cpayne
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM
> subject Re: Yak prop
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 5/25/08
> Dear Craig,
> No they fit the original hub, you only have to do after installation a
> dynamic balancing.
> Please contact me for any other information
> this is some information for you:
>
> New GT2-V-25 blades versus V-530 Vperod
>
>
> Type: Type :
> GT2-V-25 V-530
> Tractor Tractor
> Two blade Two blade
> Hub application : V530 V530
> Installation :Screwed in to hub Same
> Diameter : 2.50/98,4" 2.40/94.5"
> Maximal blade width :245 mm/96" 240 mm/94.4
> Weight:About 9 kgs/18 Po. a blade Same
> Construction:Wood/carbon all wood
> Leading protection :Composite metal
> Blade design: Scimitar Oar Shape
> Airfoils : GT design Unknown
> Inertia moment : 05 KG-MP SP.S 05 KG-MP SP.S
> Application: 2.50/98", 360 hp 360 HP
> Looking : Modern sleek styled Old style
> Availability : New production Only used
> Maintenance : Spare blades /Oh Recon.old
>
> PERFORMANCE AND ADVANTAGES .
>
> Thanks to greater diameter and modern airfoils adopted on GT blades,
> tested in various flying conditions for years, many Yak 52 achieved
> outstanding performance compared to standard original blades :
>
> - Greater static thrust.
> - Shorter take off distance,both grass or hard surfaces.
> - Higher cruise speed @ any power setting.
> - @ 70% of power setting an average of 15 / 18 KMH / 8 /10 KTS faster.
> - Shorter landings thanks to greater propeller disc.
> - More energic feeling during all aerobatic manoeuvres.
> - Very good cooling in hot places.
> - Reduced noise level both in the cockpit that out side.
> - Smoother engine running.
> - Lower fuel burning.
> - Reduced engine damage when prop ground impact compared to blade made
> of aluminium or all composite.
>
>
> FEATURES :
>
> Blades diameter can be arraged from 2.50/98", up to 2.65/104".
> Standard configuration scimitar tips shaped.
> Square shaped blasdes on request.
> Metal leading edge in progress.
> For unlimited aerobatic operatos using 400/420 HP a greater metal
> blade retention is adopted.
> Standard finishing is high gloss White,Black,Grey.
> Custom paint on request.
> Carbon finishing is now available on request .
> Worldwide delivery .
> Standard YAK 52 360 HP 2.50/98", diameter.
> Other aircrafts using GT2-V-25 blades :
> Yak 52 TW.
> Yak 50.
> Yak 55.
> Yak 18.
> Other tests are in progress .
>
> Comparation
>
> GT2-V-25 price versus V530 and three blade.
> A reconditioned V-530 blades cost about 1.600,00 Euros with better
> looking. No performance increase.
> New GT blades with higher performance cost
> 5.500,00 Euros.
>
> Alternative :
> Three blade with modern looking and high performance cost about : 13.000 Euros
> Wich of these three options is your best solution ?
> IMPORTANT :
> GT-PROPELLERS supply only M-14 blades own designed and produced,
> statically balanced.
> GT-Propellers strongly advice to make new prop balance after
> installing the GT new blades.
> For every kind of M-14 application GT Propellers can advice you the
> best individual solution.
>
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> After this email I wrote another email to many YAK pilots and this was the email:
(please everybody notice the the date)
>
>
> From: Humberto Dramisino
> To: yakman@joimail.com
> Cc: GT PROPELLERS
> Sent: 2/4/2009 6:42:26 AM
> Subject: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
>
> Dear Sir,
> My name is Humberto Dramisino and I'm a business partner with GT propeller in
Italy.
>
> GT is an old manufacture of propeller for aircraft and they do propeller for
warbird like your CJ and many other.
>
> I will receive by the end of February one set of blade for your aircraft and
I'm looking for somebody interested to buy them, all the test they were already
made in Italy and Romania, and the result were outstanding compared to the original
one.
> The price for both propeller delivered to you is 8989.00, attached to this email
you have the manual please have a look.
>
> Our propeller are made in high densified wood, and are capable to use all the
power of your engine not limited like some of our competitors.
>
> If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to contact me.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> Mr. Craig answer was:
>
> rom yakman@joimail.com
> reply-to yakman@joimail.com
> to Humberto Dramisino
> date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
> subject RE: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> hide details 2/4/09
> Humberto,
>
> Thank you for the offer. Have not I seen this propeller blade replacement offerring
for over 3 years now? At $8989 USD for blades only, I am afraid that the
MTV 3-blade, with hub, becomes a viable option. At a price point of $4000 -
$5000 USD, the blades could get some initial market share, leading to later price
increases. Perhaps if your company could visit the major events like Sun 'n
Fun and Oshkosh with a flying demo version, you could start getting orders in
the U.S.
>
> I could try your prop blades and show them off as I am located at Lakeland Florida
at the Sun 'N Fun location and also fly at Oshkosh AirVenure each year.
>
> Could I also suggest that your Yak Manual could use some editing of the English
translation? This is something I could do. I spent my career in the technical
world and have authored many of the manuals available on the RedStar Pilots
Association website.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> This is my answer:
>
> rom Humberto Dramisino
> to yakman@joimail.com
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:27 PM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 2/4/09
> Dear Craig,
> Thank you for your quick response, just to clarify, the price is for the two
blade delivered (shipping included), you have to only remove the original and
put the new one on it, same hub.
> The two blade perform way better than the 3 blade from MT you can not even compare
them, test were done in Italy.
> 3 blades look only nicer if you want, no more than that.
> with GT-Propeller we guarantee better climb, better cruise at same rpm, shorter
landing, low noise comparable to 3 blades, , not to mention better fuel economy.
> The foil design by GT Italy only for the Yak's type airplane is not a generic
prop like MT.
> If you interested please let me know, we are looking for serious people to do
serious business, we are not looking for somebody to test because as I mentioned
test were already done for the past 5 years, the product is final and outperform
anything that today is on the market.
> I will have soon the first set in north America please let me know if there is
any interest on your side.
> We are so sure about our quality that in our policy is if you are not satisfy
we will take the propeller back and you will be refund in full, this is how we
now that our product is the best, try to ask MT to do the same.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> This is Mr. Craig answer:
>
> from yakman@joimail.com
> reply-to yakman@joimail.com
> to Humberto Dramisino
> date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 AM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> hide details 2/5/09
> Humberto,
>
> It's not about testing, it's about marketing. Many owners tend to discount claims
made by manufacturers and trust what they hear from a fellow owner and see
flying. Even if your blades could perform as you state, no one is going to believe
it without visible proof.
>
> The 3-blade "looks" better also, this is important to many owners. Regardless,
you will find few sales at those prices. As for the existing 2-blade V530, Whirlwind
Propeller will refurbish an existing set of blades with a composite cover
and nickel edge for around $2500 per pair, delivered. They look great and
last a long time.
>
> My aircraft is a Nanchang CJ-6 with M-14P engine and large spinner, my speeds
are much higher than the Yaks. Could your propeller perform as well on this kind
of airframe? Engineering claims will not matter as much as real comparisons
by private owners.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> This is my last email before he stated "something got lost in the translation:
>
> from Humberto Dramisino
> to yakman@joimail.com
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:45 AM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 2/5/09
> Dear Craig,
> Like I mentioned to you I'm only looking somebody serious to sell my first set
of blade, and it amazed me how in this field owners of airplane are only looking
for the cheapest thing in the market to mounted on one of the most important
part of the airplane, and they don't look for more tangible improvement,
not to mention safety.
> I see people repair cracked wood propeller on these airplanes by adding a piece
of wood in the crack with glue, sand it and flying it, when in Italy we not
even use them to hang it on the wall.
>
> I also notice that often some pilot spend many thousand of dollar in useless
instrument when the only important thing that hold them in the air they want it
as cheap as possible, well I don't want to generalize and that's way I know
i will find somebody that understand all this.
> About the speed of your airplane yes the propeller will do the perfect job on
yours as well, if your airplane is more sleek in the air it will use more pitch
and the blade is design for that.
>
> I will keep you posted,
> Best regards,
> Humberto Dramisino
>
> Since than I never heard from you, until you wrote to GT the following:
> Buongiorno Alex,
>
> So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a set of
those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh? I have
tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous times but something
got lost in translation.
>
> It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our airplanes
Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your Engineering
department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to translate
into sales.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> After this email... sorry guys I blew out, why? because after all the tests done
by Rick Volker in USA, and many other pilots worldwide, you are still wondering
if these blades are good or not, and trying to convince us to send you a
free set for you to test. Sorry you came too late, no test no more, if want them
you will have to pay.
> About the manufacturers that are doing good looking replacement propellers I
tell you: sorry, GT is focused on making hi performance propellers not only good
looking design, and safety is our first target on our product.
> That's why GT takes the time to develop products - behind those blades there
are years of testing, test after test.
> The material GT use is one of the best available in world from the wood to the
composite, no compromise, no cheap off corners.
> GT doesn't make cheap propellers. If you are looking to save money and buy a
less expensive propeller and, you like to be a Guinea pig for others then do what
you please.
> If you'd like to discuss business, I can be available any time, just call me.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328871#328871
>
>
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Well now, Humberto has set it all straight about the GT propeller blades. It seems
my communication skills come up short. I never asked for a FREE set of blades
to keep, merely to try while at one of the events where GT Propeller had
a vendor presence.
Sorry about all of this. Silly me, I thought I could help them. I also should have
believed every word Humberto wrote to be about the blades; after all, he "guaranteed"
improved performance. My apologies...now where did I put that spare
$9000?? Small price for all the Customer Service I have received.
Craig Payne
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Dan, I just sent you a private message. I have a 50 out at Hampton Roads and
would be happy to do a little flying with you.
-josh
greasysideup (at) hotmail dot com
greasysideup.com
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I agree but it seems like you are yelling at the wrong guy, notice the repl
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: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Sat, January 29, 2011 6:36:58 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Re:
Dennis Savarese" =0A<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>=0A=0ATake this dispute of
f the Yak list.- I for one am not interested in =0Areading or seeing your
personal emails.- If you have a disagreement with =0Asomeone, email or s
peak to that person directly.=0ADennis=0A=0AOn 1/28/2011 8:27 PM, gtnorth w
rote:=0A> -->- Yak-List message posted by: "gtnorth"<hdramisino@gmail.com
>=0A>=0A> Dear Mr. Craig Payne, since it looks like I'm the bad guy, and yo
u like to go =0A>public, I will put public all the email you sent me with m
y answer and let the =0A>other friends on the forum make their own conclusi
on.=0A>=0A> Let's start:=0A>=0A> from--- Cpayne=0A> reply-to---
Cpayne=0A> to--- hdramisino@gmail.com=0A> date--- Sun, May 25,
2008 at 5:57 AM=0A> subject--- Yak prop=0A> mailed-by--- joima
il.com=0A> hide details 5/25/08=0A> Sir;=0A>=0A> Is that new propeller for
the Yak a complete unit? I'm really only interested =0A>in new blades that
fit the old hub.=0A>=0A> Craig Payne=0A>=0A> Humberto's answer:=0A>=0A> Hum
berto Dramisino=0A> to--- Cpayne=0A> cc--- GT PROPELLERS=0A> da
te--- Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM=0A> subject--- Re: Yak prop
=0A> mailed-by--- gmail.com=0A> hide details 5/25/08=0A> Dear Craig,
=0A> No they fit the original hub, you only have to do after installation a
=0A> dynamic balancing.=0A> Please contact me for any other information=0A>
this is some information for you:=0A>=0A>- - - New GT2-V-25- blade
s versus V-530 Vperod=0A>=0A>=0A> Type:- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Type :
=0A> GT2-V-25- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - V-530=0A> Tractor- - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - Tractor=0A> Two blade- - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - Two blade=0A> Hub applicati
on : V530- - - - - - - - - - - - - - V530=0A> I
nstallation :Screwed in to hub- - - - - - - - - Same=0A>
Diameter : 2.50/98,4"- - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - 2.40/94.5"=0A> Maximal blade width :245 mm/96"- - - -
- - 240 mm/94.4=0A> Weight:About 9 kgs/18 Po. a blade- - - -
- - - - - Same=0A> Construction:Wood/carbon- - - - -
- - - - - - - - - all wood=0A> Leading- protection :Com
posite- - - - - - - - - - - metal=0A> Blade design: S
cimitar- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Oar Shape=0A> Airfoils : GT design- - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - Unknown=0A> Inertia moment : 05 KG-
MP SP.S- - - - - - - - - 05 KG-MP SP.S=0A> Application: 2
.50/98", 360 hp- - - - - - - - - - - - - 360 HP
=0A> Looking : Modern sleek styled- - - - - - - - - -
- Old style=0A> Availability : New production- - - - - - -
- - - - - - Only used=0A> Maintenance : Spare blades /Oh- -
- - - - - - - - Recon.old=0A>=0A>- - - - PERFORMAN
CE AND ADVANTAGES .=0A>=0A> Thanks to greater diameter and modern airfoils
adopted on GT blades,=0A> tested in various flying conditions for years, ma
ny Yak 52 achieved=0A> outstanding performance compared to standard origina
l- blades :=0A>=0A> - Greater static thrust.=0A> - Shorter take off dista
nce,both grass or hard surfaces.=0A> - Higher cruise speed @ any power sett
ing.=0A> - @ 70% of power setting an average of 15 / 18 KMH / 8 /10 KTS-
faster.=0A> - Shorter landings thanks to greater propeller disc.=0A> - More
energic feeling during all aerobatic manoeuvres.=0A> - Very good cooling i
n hot places.=0A> - Reduced noise level both in the cockpit that out side.
=0A> - Smoother engine running.=0A> - Lower fuel burning.=0A> - Reduced eng
ine damage when prop ground impact compared to blade made=0A> of aluminium
or all composite.=0A>=0A>=0A>- - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - FEATURES :=0A>=0A> Blades diameter can
be arraged from 2.50/98",- up to 2.65/104".=0A> Standard configuration sc
imitar tips shaped.=0A> Square shaped blasdes on request.=0A> Metal leading
edge in progress.=0A> For unlimited aerobatic operatos using- 400/420 HP
a greater metal=0A> blade retention is adopted.=0A> Standard finishing is
high gloss White,Black,Grey.=0A> Custom paint on request.=0A> Carbon finish
ing is now available on request .=0A> Worldwide delivery .=0A> Standard YAK
52 360 HP 2.50/98", diameter.=0A> Other aircrafts using GT2-V-25- blades
:=0A> Yak 52 TW.=0A> Yak 50.=0A> Yak 55.=0A> Yak 18.=0A> Other tests are i
n progress .=0A>=0A>- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - Comparation=0A>=0A>- - - - - GT2-V-25- price versus V5
30 and three blade.=0A> A reconditioned V-530 blades cost about 1.600,00 Eu
ros with better=0A> looking. No performance increase.=0A> New GT blades wit
h higher performance cost=0A> 5.500,00 Euros.=0A>=0A>- - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - Alternative :=0A> Three
blade with modern looking and- high performance cost about : 13.000 =0AE
uros=0A> Wich of these three options is your best solution ?=0A>- - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - IMPORTANT :=0A> GT-PRO
PELLERS supply only M-14 blades own designed and produced,=0A> statically b
alanced.=0A> GT-Propellers strongly advice to make new prop balance after
=0A> installing the GT new blades.=0A> For every kind of M-14 application G
T Propellers can advice you the=0A> best individual solution.=0A>=0A> Best
regards,=0A> Humberto=0A>=0A> After this email I wrote another email to man
y YAK pilots and this was the =0A>email: (please everybody notice the the d
ate)=0A>=0A>=0A> From: Humberto Dramisino=0A> To: yakman@joimail.com=0A> Cc
: GT PROPELLERS=0A> Sent: 2/4/2009 6:42:26 AM=0A> Subject: Humberto Dramisi
no from GT Propeller=0A>=0A> Dear Sir,=0A> My name is Humberto Dramisino an
d I'm a business partner with GT propeller in =0A>Italy.=0A>=0A> GT is an o
ld manufacture of propeller for aircraft and they do propeller for =0A>warb
ird like your CJ and many other.=0A>=0A> I will receive by the end of Febru
ary one set of blade for your aircraft and =0A>I'm looking for somebody int
erested to buy them, all the test they were already =0A>made in Italy and R
omania, and the result were outstanding compared to the =0A>original one.
=0A> The price for both propeller delivered to you is 8989.00, attached to
this =0A>email you have the manual please have a look.=0A>=0A> Our propelle
r are made in high densified wood, and are capable to use all the =0A>power
of your engine not limited like some of our competitors.=0A>=0A> If you ha
ve any other question, please don't hesitate to contact me.=0A> Best regard
s,=0A> Humberto=0A>=0A> Mr. Craig answer was:=0A>=0A> rom--- yakman@j
oimail.com=0A> reply-to--- yakman@joimail.com=0A> to--- Humbert
o Dramisino=0A> date--- Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM=0A> subject--
- RE: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller=0A> hide details 2/4/09=0A> Hu
mberto,=0A>=0A> Thank you for the offer. Have not I seen this propeller bla
de replacement =0A>offerring for over 3 years now? At $8989 USD for blades
only, I am afraid that =0A>the MTV 3-blade, with hub, becomes a viable opti
on. At a price point of $4000 - =0A>$5000 USD, the blades could get some in
itial market share, leading to later =0A>price increases. Perhaps if your c
ompany could visit the major events like Sun =0A>'n Fun and Oshkosh with a
flying demo version, you could start getting orders in =0A>the U.S.=0A>=0A>
I could try your prop blades and show them off as I am located at Lakeland
=0A>Florida at the Sun 'N Fun location and also fly at Oshkosh AirVenure e
ach year.=0A>=0A> Could I also suggest that your Yak Manual could use some
editing of the English =0A>translation? This is something I could do. I spe
nt my career in the technical =0A>world and have authored many of the manua
ls available on the RedStar Pilots =0A>Association website.=0A>=0A> Craig P
ayne=0A>=0A> This is my answer:=0A>=0A> rom--- Humberto Dramisino=0A>
to--- yakman@joimail.com=0A> cc--- GT PROPELLERS=0A> date-
-- Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:27 PM=0A> subject--- Re: Humberto Dramis
ino from GT Propeller=0A> mailed-by--- gmail.com=0A> hide details 2/4
/09=0A> Dear Craig,=0A> Thank you for your quick response, just to clarify,
the price is for the two =0A>blade delivered (shipping included), you have
to only remove the original and =0A>put the new one on it, same hub.=0A> T
he two blade perform way better than the 3 blade from MT you can not even
=0A>compare them, test were done in Italy.=0A> 3 blades look only nicer if
you want, no more than that.=0A> with GT-Propeller we guarantee better clim
b, better cruise at same rpm, shorter =0A>landing, low noise comparable to
3 blades, , not to mention better fuel economy.=0A> The foil design by GT I
taly only for the Yak's type airplane is not a generic =0A>prop like MT.=0A
> If you interested please let me know, we are looking for serious people t
o do =0A>serious business, we are not looking for somebody to test because
as I mentioned =0A>test were already done for the past 5 years, the product
is final and outperform =0A>anything that today is on the market.=0A> I wi
ll have soon the first set in north America please let me know if there is
=0A>any interest on your side.=0A> We are so sure about our quality that in
our policy is if you are not satisfy =0A>we will take the propeller back a
nd you will be refund in full, this is how we =0A>now that our product is t
he best, try to ask MT to do the same.=0A> Best regards,=0A> Humberto=0A>
=0A> This is Mr. Craig answer:=0A>=0A> from--- yakman@joimail.com=0A>
reply-to--- yakman@joimail.com=0A> to--- Humberto Dramisino=0A
> date--- Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 AM=0A> subject--- Re: Humber
to Dramisino from GT Propeller=0A> hide details 2/5/09=0A> Humberto,=0A>=0A
> It's not about testing, it's about marketing. Many owners tend to discoun
t =0A>claims made by manufacturers and trust what they hear from a fellow o
wner and =0A>see flying. Even if your blades could perform as you state, no
one is going to =0A>believe it without visible proof.=0A>=0A> The 3-blade
"looks" better also, this is important to many owners. Regardless, =0A>you
will find few sales at those prices. As for the existing 2-blade V530, =0A>
Whirlwind Propeller will refurbish an existing set of blades with a composi
te =0A>cover and nickel edge for around $2500 per pair, delivered. They loo
k great and =0A>last a long time.=0A>=0A> My aircraft is a Nanchang CJ-6 wi
th M-14P engine and large spinner, my speeds =0A>are much higher than the Y
aks. Could your propeller perform as well on this kind =0A>of airframe? Eng
ineering claims will not matter as much as real comparisons by =0A>private
owners.=0A>=0A> Craig Payne=0A>=0A> This is my last email before he stated
"something got lost in the translation:=0A>=0A> from--- Humberto Dram
isino=0A> to--- yakman@joimail.com=0A> cc--- GT PROPELLERS=0A>
date--- Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:45 AM=0A> subject--- Re: Humberto
Dramisino from GT Propeller=0A> mailed-by--- gmail.com=0A> hide deta
ils 2/5/09=0A> Dear Craig,=0A> Like I mentioned to you I'm only looking som
ebody serious to sell my first set =0A>of blade, and it amazed me how in th
is field owners of airplane are only =0A>looking- for the cheapest thing
in the market to mounted on one of the most =0A>important part of the airpl
ane, and they don't look for more tangible =0A>improvement, not to mention
safety.=0A> I see people repair cracked wood propeller on these airplanes b
y adding a piece =0A>of wood in the crack with glue, sand it and flying it,
when in Italy we not even =0A>use them to hang it on the wall.=0A>=0A> I a
lso notice that often some pilot spend many thousand of dollar in useless
=0A>instrument when the only important thing that hold them in the air they
want it =0A>as cheap as possible, well I don't want to generalize and that
's way I know i =0A>will find somebody that understand all this.=0A> About
the speed of your airplane yes the propeller will do the perfect job on =0A
>yours as well, if your airplane is more sleek in the air it will use more
pitch =0A>and the blade is design for that.=0A>=0A> I will keep you posted,
=0A> Best regards,=0A> Humberto Dramisino=0A>=0A> Since than I never heard
from you, until you wrote to GT the following:=0A> Buongiorno Alex,=0A>=0A>
So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a se
t of =0A>those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or Osh
kosh? I have =0A>tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous ti
mes but something got =0A>lost in translation.=0A>=0A> It's not the Talk I'
m interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our =0A>airplanes Walking
the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your =0A>Engineering
department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to =0A>translate
into sales.=0A>=0A> Craig Payne=0A>=0A> After this email... sorry guys I b
lew out, why? because after all the tests =0A>done by Rick Volker in USA, a
nd many other pilots worldwide, you are still =0A>wondering if these blades
are good or not, and trying to convince us to send you =0A>a free set for
you to test. Sorry you came too late, no test no more, if want =0A>them you
will have to pay.=0A> About the manufacturers that are doing good looking
replacement propellers I =0A>tell you: sorry, GT is focused on making hi pe
rformance propellers not only good =0A>looking design, and safety is our fi
rst target on our product.=0A> That's why GT takes the time to develop prod
ucts - behind those blades there =0A>are years of testing, test after test.
=0A> The material GT use is one of the best available in world from the woo
d to the =0A>composite, no compromise, no cheap off corners.=0A> GT doesn't
make cheap propellers. If you are looking to save money and buy a =0A>less
expensive propeller and, you like to be a Guinea pig for others then do
=0A>what you please.=0A> If you'd like to discuss business, I can be availa
ble any time, just call me.=0A> Best regards,=0A> Humberto=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewt
opic.php?p=328871#328871=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
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PLEASE - BOTH of you take this off the Yak list.
Dennis
On 1/29/2011 6:48 AM, James Partington wrote:
> I agree but it seems like you are yelling at the wrong guy, notice the
> reply to..............
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sat, January 29, 2011 6:36:58 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Re: Subject: Customer Service Example
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Take this dispute off the Yak list. I for one am not interested in
> reading or seeing your personal emails. If you have a disagreement with
> someone, email or speak to that person directly.
> Dennis
>
> On 1/28/2011 8:27 PM, gtnorth wrote:
> <mailto:hdramisino@gmail.com>>
> >
> > Dear Mr. Craig Payne, since it looks like I'm the bad guy, and you
> like to go public, I will put public all the email you sent me with my
> answer and let the other friends on the forum make their own conclusion.
> >
> > Let's start:
> >
> > from Cpayne
> > reply-to Cpayne
> > to hdramisino@gmail.com <mailto:hdramisino@gmail.com>
> > date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 5:57 AM
> > subject Yak prop
> > mailed-by joimail.com <http://joimail.com/>
> > hide details 5/25/08
> > Sir;
> >
> > Is that new propeller for the Yak a complete unit? I'm really only
> interested in new blades that fit the old hub.
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> > Humberto's answer:
> >
> > Humberto Dramisino
> > to Cpayne
> > cc GT PROPELLERS
> > date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM
> > subject Re: Yak prop
> > mailed-by gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
> > hide details 5/25/08
> > Dear Craig,
> > No they fit the original hub, you only have to do after installation a
> > dynamic balancing.
> > Please contact me for any other information
> > this is some information for you:
> >
> > New GT2-V-25 blades versus V-530 Vperod
> >
> >
> > Type: Type :
> > GT2-V-25 V-530
> > Tractor Tractor
> > Two blade Two blade
> > Hub application : V530 V530
> > Installation :Screwed in to hub Same
> > Diameter : 2.50/98,4" 2.40/94.5"
> > Maximal blade width :245 mm/96" 240 mm/94.4
> > Weight:About 9 kgs/18 Po. a blade Same
> > Construction:Wood/carbon all wood
> > Leading protection :Composite metal
> > Blade design: Scimitar Oar Shape
> > Airfoils : GT design Unknown
> > Inertia moment : 05 KG-MP SP.S 05 KG-MP SP.S
> > Application: 2.50/98", 360 hp 360 HP
> > Looking : Modern sleek styled Old style
> > Availability : New production Only used
> > Maintenance : Spare blades /Oh Recon.old
> >
> > PERFORMANCE AND ADVANTAGES .
> >
> > Thanks to greater diameter and modern airfoils adopted on GT blades,
> > tested in various flying conditions for years, many Yak 52 achieved
> > outstanding performance compared to standard original blades :
> >
> > - Greater static thrust.
> > - Shorter take off distance,both grass or hard surfaces.
> > - Higher cruise speed @ any power setting.
> > - @ 70% of power setting an average of 15 / 18 KMH / 8 /10 KTS faster.
> > - Shorter landings thanks to greater propeller disc.
> > - More energic feeling during all aerobatic manoeuvres.
> > - Very good cooling in hot places.
> > - Reduced noise level both in the cockpit that out side.
> > - Smoother engine running.
> > - Lower fuel burning.
> > - Reduced engine damage when prop ground impact compared to blade made
> > of aluminium or all composite.
> >
> >
> > FEATURES :
> >
> > Blades diameter can be arraged from 2.50/98", up to 2.65/104".
> > Standard configuration scimitar tips shaped.
> > Square shaped blasdes on request.
> > Metal leading edge in progress.
> > For unlimited aerobatic operatos using 400/420 HP a greater metal
> > blade retention is adopted.
> > Standard finishing is high gloss White,Black,Grey.
> > Custom paint on request.
> > Carbon finishing is now available on request .
> > Worldwide delivery .
> > Standard YAK 52 360 HP 2.50/98", diameter.
> > Other aircrafts using GT2-V-25 blades :
> > Yak 52 TW.
> > Yak 50.
> > Yak 55.
> > Yak 18.
> > Other tests are in progress .
> >
> > Comparation
> >
> > GT2-V-25 price versus V530 and three blade.
> > A reconditioned V-530 blades cost about 1.600,00 Euros with better
> > looking. No performance increase.
> > New GT blades with higher performance cost
> > 5.500,00 Euros.
> >
> > Alternative :
> > Three blade with modern looking and high performance cost about :
> 13.000 Euros
> > Wich of these three options is your best solution ?
> > IMPORTANT :
> > GT-PROPELLERS supply only M-14 blades own designed and produced,
> > statically balanced.
> > GT-Propellers strongly advice to make new prop balance after
> > installing the GT new blades.
> > For every kind of M-14 application GT Propellers can advice you the
> > best individual solution.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Humberto
> >
> > After this email I wrote another email to many YAK pilots and this
> was the email: (please everybody notice the the date)
> >
> >
> > From: Humberto Dramisino
> > To: yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > Cc: GT PROPELLERS
> > Sent: 2/4/2009 6:42:26 AM
> > Subject: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> >
> > Dear Sir,
> > My name is Humberto Dramisino and I'm a business partner with GT
> propeller in Italy.
> >
> > GT is an old manufacture of propeller for aircraft and they do
> propeller for warbird like your CJ and many other.
> >
> > I will receive by the end of February one set of blade for your
> aircraft and I'm looking for somebody interested to buy them, all the
> test they were already made in Italy and Romania, and the result were
> outstanding compared to the original one.
> > The price for both propeller delivered to you is 8989.00, attached to
> this email you have the manual please have a look.
> >
> > Our propeller are made in high densified wood, and are capable to use
> all the power of your engine not limited like some of our competitors.
> >
> > If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to contact me.
> > Best regards,
> > Humberto
> >
> > Mr. Craig answer was:
> >
> > rom yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > reply-to yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > to Humberto Dramisino
> > date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
> > subject RE: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> > hide details 2/4/09
> > Humberto,
> >
> > Thank you for the offer. Have not I seen this propeller blade
> replacement offerring for over 3 years now? At $8989 USD for blades
> only, I am afraid that the MTV 3-blade, with hub, becomes a viable
> option. At a price point of $4000 - $5000 USD, the blades could get some
> initial market share, leading to later price increases. Perhaps if your
> company could visit the major events like Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh with a
> flying demo version, you could start getting orders in the U.S.
> >
> > I could try your prop blades and show them off as I am located at
> Lakeland Florida at the Sun 'N Fun location and also fly at Oshkosh
> AirVenure each year.
> >
> > Could I also suggest that your Yak Manual could use some editing of
> the English translation? This is something I could do. I spent my career
> in the technical world and have authored many of the manuals available
> on the RedStar Pilots Association website.
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> > This is my answer:
> >
> > rom Humberto Dramisino
> > to yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > cc GT PROPELLERS
> > date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:27 PM
> > subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> > mailed-by gmail.com
> > hide details 2/4/09
> > Dear Craig,
> > Thank you for your quick response, just to clarify, the price is for
> the two blade delivered (shipping included), you have to only remove the
> original and put the new one on it, same hub.
> > The two blade perform way better than the 3 blade from MT you can not
> even compare them, test were done in Italy.
> > 3 blades look only nicer if you want, no more than that.
> > with GT-Propeller we guarantee better climb, better cruise at same
> rpm, shorter landing, low noise comparable to 3 blades, , not to mention
> better fuel economy.
> > The foil design by GT Italy only for the Yak's type airplane is not a
> generic prop like MT.
> > If you interested please let me know, we are looking for serious
> people to do serious business, we are not looking for somebody to test
> because as I mentioned test were already done for the past 5 years, the
> product is final and outperform anything that today is on the market.
> > I will have soon the first set in north America please let me know if
> there is any interest on your side.
> > We are so sure about our quality that in our policy is if you are not
> satisfy we will take the propeller back and you will be refund in full,
> this is how we now that our product is the best, try to ask MT to do the
> same.
> > Best regards,
> > Humberto
> >
> > This is Mr. Craig answer:
> >
> > from yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > reply-to yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > to Humberto Dramisino
> > date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 AM
> > subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> > hide details 2/5/09
> > Humberto,
> >
> > It's not about testing, it's about marketing. Many owners tend to
> discount claims made by manufacturers and trust what they hear from a
> fellow owner and see flying. Even if your blades could perform as you
> state, no one is going to believe it without visible proof.
> >
> > The 3-blade "looks" better also, this is important to many owners.
> Regardless, you will find few sales at those prices. As for the existing
> 2-blade V530, Whirlwind Propeller will refurbish an existing set of
> blades with a composite cover and nickel edge for around $2500 per pair,
> delivered. They look great and last a long time.
> >
> > My aircraft is a Nanchang CJ-6 with M-14P engine and large spinner,
> my speeds are much higher than the Yaks. Could your propeller perform as
> well on this kind of airframe? Engineering claims will not matter as
> much as real comparisons by private owners.
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> > This is my last email before he stated "something got lost in the
> translation:
> >
> > from Humberto Dramisino
> > to yakman@joimail.com <mailto:yakman@joimail.com>
> > cc GT PROPELLERS
> > date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:45 AM
> > subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> > mailed-by gmail.com
> > hide details 2/5/09
> > Dear Craig,
> > Like I mentioned to you I'm only looking somebody serious to sell my
> first set of blade, and it amazed me how in this field owners of
> airplane are only looking for the cheapest thing in the market to
> mounted on one of the most important part of the airplane, and they
> don't look for more tangible improvement, not to mention safety.
> > I see people repair cracked wood propeller on these airplanes by
> adding a piece of wood in the crack with glue, sand it and flying it,
> when in Italy we not even use them to hang it on the wall.
> >
> > I also notice that often some pilot spend many thousand of dollar in
> useless instrument when the only important thing that hold them in the
> air they want it as cheap as possible, well I don't want to generalize
> and that's way I know i will find somebody that understand all this.
> > About the speed of your airplane yes the propeller will do the
> perfect job on yours as well, if your airplane is more sleek in the air
> it will use more pitch and the blade is design for that.
> >
> > I will keep you posted,
> > Best regards,
> > Humberto Dramisino
> >
> > Since than I never heard from you, until you wrote to GT the following:
> > Buongiorno Alex,
> >
> > So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see
> a set of those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or
> Oshkosh? I have tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous
> times but something got lost in translation.
> >
> > It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of
> our airplanes Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes
> from your Engineering department, filtered through Marketing may prove
> difficult to translate into sales.
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> > After this email... sorry guys I blew out, why? because after all the
> tests done by Rick Volker in USA, and many other pilots worldwide, you
> are still wondering if these blades are good or not, and trying to
> convince us to send you a free set for you to test. Sorry you came too
> late, no test no more, if want them you will have to pay.
> > About the manufacturers that are doing good looking replacement
> propellers I tell you: sorry, GT is focused on making hi performance
> propellers not only good looking design, and safety is our first target
> on our product.
> > That's why GT takes the time to develop products - behind those
> blades there are years of testing, test after test.
> > The material GT use is one of the best available in world from the
> wood to the composite, no compromise, no cheap off corners.
> > GT doesn't make cheap propellers. If you are looking to save money
> and buy a less expensive propeller and, you like to be a Guinea pig for
> others then do what you please.
> > If you'd like to discuss business, I can be available any time, just
> call me.
> > Best regards,
> > Humberto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328871#328871
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ><=======================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I used a heavy vinyl tape to line the canopy glass where it touches the frame,
along with some felt at the sides aft where it touches the fuselage.
Craig Payne
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Enough already: I whoeheartedly agree with Jan and Dennis. Get this stuff
off the list!!!
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cpayne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: More Customer service
>
> Well now, Humberto has set it all straight about the GT propeller blades.
> It seems my communication skills come up short. I never asked for a FREE
> set of blades to keep, merely to try while at one of the events where GT
> Propeller had a vendor presence.
>
> Sorry about all of this. Silly me, I thought I could help them. I also
> should have believed every word Humberto wrote to be about the blades;
> after all, he "guaranteed" improved performance. My apologies...now where
> did I put that spare $9000?? Small price for all the Customer Service I
> have received.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
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Please ..... out of the list !!!
Didier
2011/1/29 gtnorth <hdramisino@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Mr. Craig Payne, since it looks like I'm the bad guy, and you like to
> go public, I will put public all the email you sent me with my answer and
> let the other friends on the forum make their own conclusion.
>
> Let's start:
>
> from Cpayne
> reply-to Cpayne
> to hdramisino@gmail.com
> date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 5:57 AM
> subject Yak prop
> mailed-by joimail.com
> hide details 5/25/08
> Sir;
>
> Is that new propeller for the Yak a complete unit? I'm really only
> interested in new blades that fit the old hub.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> Humberto's answer:
>
> Humberto Dramisino
> to Cpayne
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM
> subject Re: Yak prop
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 5/25/08
> Dear Craig,
> No they fit the original hub, you only have to do after installation a
> dynamic balancing.
> Please contact me for any other information
> this is some information for you:
>
> New GT2-V-25 blades versus V-530 Vperod
>
>
> Type: Type :
> GT2-V-25 V-530
> Tractor Tractor
> Two blade Two blade
> Hub application : V530 V530
> Installation :Screwed in to hub Same
> Diameter : 2.50/98,4" 2.40/94.5"
> Maximal blade width :245 mm/96" 240 mm/94.4
> Weight:About 9 kgs/18 Po. a blade Same
> Construction:Wood/carbon all wood
> Leading protection :Composite metal
> Blade design: Scimitar Oar Shape
> Airfoils : GT design Unknown
> Inertia moment : 05 KG-MP SP.S 05 KG-MP SP.S
> Application: 2.50/98", 360 hp 360 HP
> Looking : Modern sleek styled Old style
> Availability : New production Only used
> Maintenance : Spare blades /Oh Recon.old
>
> PERFORMANCE AND ADVANTAGES .
>
> Thanks to greater diameter and modern airfoils adopted on GT blades,
> tested in various flying conditions for years, many Yak 52 achieved
> outstanding performance compared to standard original blades :
>
> - Greater static thrust.
> - Shorter take off distance,both grass or hard surfaces.
> - Higher cruise speed @ any power setting.
> - @ 70% of power setting an average of 15 / 18 KMH / 8 /10 KTS faster.
> - Shorter landings thanks to greater propeller disc.
> - More energic feeling during all aerobatic manoeuvres.
> - Very good cooling in hot places.
> - Reduced noise level both in the cockpit that out side.
> - Smoother engine running.
> - Lower fuel burning.
> - Reduced engine damage when prop ground impact compared to blade made
> of aluminium or all composite.
>
>
> FEATURES :
>
> Blades diameter can be arraged from 2.50/98", up to 2.65/104".
> Standard configuration scimitar tips shaped.
> Square shaped blasdes on request.
> Metal leading edge in progress.
> For unlimited aerobatic operatos using 400/420 HP a greater metal
> blade retention is adopted.
> Standard finishing is high gloss White,Black,Grey.
> Custom paint on request.
> Carbon finishing is now available on request .
> Worldwide delivery .
> Standard YAK 52 360 HP 2.50/98", diameter.
> Other aircrafts using GT2-V-25 blades :
> Yak 52 TW.
> Yak 50.
> Yak 55.
> Yak 18.
> Other tests are in progress .
>
> Comparation
>
> GT2-V-25 price versus V530 and three blade.
> A reconditioned V-530 blades cost about 1.600,00 Euros with better
> looking. No performance increase.
> New GT blades with higher performance cost
> 5.500,00 Euros.
>
> Alternative :
> Three blade with modern looking and high performance cost about : 13.000
> Euros
> Wich of these three options is your best solution ?
> IMPORTANT :
> GT-PROPELLERS supply only M-14 blades own designed and produced,
> statically balanced.
> GT-Propellers strongly advice to make new prop balance after
> installing the GT new blades.
> For every kind of M-14 application GT Propellers can advice you the
> best individual solution.
>
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> After this email I wrote another email to many YAK pilots and this was the
> email: (please everybody notice the the date)
>
>
> From: Humberto Dramisino
> To: yakman@joimail.com
> Cc: GT PROPELLERS
> Sent: 2/4/2009 6:42:26 AM
> Subject: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
>
> Dear Sir,
> My name is Humberto Dramisino and I'm a business partner with GT propeller
> in Italy.
>
> GT is an old manufacture of propeller for aircraft and they do propeller
> for warbird like your CJ and many other.
>
> I will receive by the end of February one set of blade for your aircraft
> and I'm looking for somebody interested to buy them, all the test they were
> already made in Italy and Romania, and the result were outstanding compared
> to the original one.
> The price for both propeller delivered to you is 8989.00, attached to this
> email you have the manual please have a look.
>
> Our propeller are made in high densified wood, and are capable to use all
> the power of your engine not limited like some of our competitors.
>
> If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to contact me.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> Mr. Craig answer was:
>
> rom yakman@joimail.com
> reply-to yakman@joimail.com
> to Humberto Dramisino
> date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
> subject RE: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> hide details 2/4/09
> Humberto,
>
> Thank you for the offer. Have not I seen this propeller blade replacement
> offerring for over 3 years now? At $8989 USD for blades only, I am afraid
> that the MTV 3-blade, with hub, becomes a viable option. At a price point of
> $4000 - $5000 USD, the blades could get some initial market share, leading
> to later price increases. Perhaps if your company could visit the major
> events like Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh with a flying demo version, you could
> start getting orders in the U.S.
>
> I could try your prop blades and show them off as I am located at Lakeland
> Florida at the Sun 'N Fun location and also fly at Oshkosh AirVenure each
> year.
>
> Could I also suggest that your Yak Manual could use some editing of the
> English translation? This is something I could do. I spent my career in the
> technical world and have authored many of the manuals available on the
> RedStar Pilots Association website.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> This is my answer:
>
> rom Humberto Dramisino
> to yakman@joimail.com
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:27 PM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 2/4/09
> Dear Craig,
> Thank you for your quick response, just to clarify, the price is for the
> two blade delivered (shipping included), you have to only remove the
> original and put the new one on it, same hub.
> The two blade perform way better than the 3 blade from MT you can not even
> compare them, test were done in Italy.
> 3 blades look only nicer if you want, no more than that.
> with GT-Propeller we guarantee better climb, better cruise at same rpm,
> shorter landing, low noise comparable to 3 blades, , not to mention better
> fuel economy.
> The foil design by GT Italy only for the Yak's type airplane is not a
> generic prop like MT.
> If you interested please let me know, we are looking for serious people to
> do serious business, we are not looking for somebody to test because as I
> mentioned test were already done for the past 5 years, the product is final
> and outperform anything that today is on the market.
> I will have soon the first set in north America please let me know if there
> is any interest on your side.
> We are so sure about our quality that in our policy is if you are not
> satisfy we will take the propeller back and you will be refund in full, this
> is how we now that our product is the best, try to ask MT to do the same.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> This is Mr. Craig answer:
>
> from yakman@joimail.com
> reply-to yakman@joimail.com
> to Humberto Dramisino
> date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 AM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> hide details 2/5/09
> Humberto,
>
> It's not about testing, it's about marketing. Many owners tend to discount
> claims made by manufacturers and trust what they hear from a fellow owner
> and see flying. Even if your blades could perform as you state, no one is
> going to believe it without visible proof.
>
> The 3-blade "looks" better also, this is important to many owners.
> Regardless, you will find few sales at those prices. As for the existing
> 2-blade V530, Whirlwind Propeller will refurbish an existing set of blades
> with a composite cover and nickel edge for around $2500 per pair, delivered.
> They look great and last a long time.
>
> My aircraft is a Nanchang CJ-6 with M-14P engine and large spinner, my
> speeds are much higher than the Yaks. Could your propeller perform as well
> on this kind of airframe? Engineering claims will not matter as much as real
> comparisons by private owners.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> This is my last email before he stated "something got lost in the
> translation:
>
> from Humberto Dramisino
> to yakman@joimail.com
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:45 AM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 2/5/09
> Dear Craig,
> Like I mentioned to you I'm only looking somebody serious to sell my first
> set of blade, and it amazed me how in this field owners of airplane are only
> looking for the cheapest thing in the market to mounted on one of the most
> important part of the airplane, and they don't look for more tangible
> improvement, not to mention safety.
> I see people repair cracked wood propeller on these airplanes by adding a
> piece of wood in the crack with glue, sand it and flying it, when in Italy
> we not even use them to hang it on the wall.
>
> I also notice that often some pilot spend many thousand of dollar in
> useless instrument when the only important thing that hold them in the air
> they want it as cheap as possible, well I don't want to generalize and
> that's way I know i will find somebody that understand all this.
> About the speed of your airplane yes the propeller will do the perfect job
> on yours as well, if your airplane is more sleek in the air it will use more
> pitch and the blade is design for that.
>
> I will keep you posted,
> Best regards,
> Humberto Dramisino
>
> Since than I never heard from you, until you wrote to GT the following:
> Buongiorno Alex,
>
> So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a set
> of those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh? I
> have tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous times but
> something got lost in translation.
>
> It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our
> airplanes Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your
> Engineering department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to
> translate into sales.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> After this email... sorry guys I blew out, why? because after all the tests
> done by Rick Volker in USA, and many other pilots worldwide, you are still
> wondering if these blades are good or not, and trying to convince us to send
> you a free set for you to test. Sorry you came too late, no test no more, if
> want them you will have to pay.
> About the manufacturers that are doing good looking replacement propellers
> I tell you: sorry, GT is focused on making hi performance propellers not
> only good looking design, and safety is our first target on our product.
> That's why GT takes the time to develop products - behind those blades
> there are years of testing, test after test.
> The material GT use is one of the best available in world from the wood to
> the composite, no compromise, no cheap off corners.
> GT doesn't make cheap propellers. If you are looking to save money and buy
> a less expensive propeller and, you like to be a Guinea pig for others then
> do what you please.
> If you'd like to discuss business, I can be available any time, just call
> me.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328871#328871
>
>
--
Didier BLOUZARD
didier.blouzard@gmail.com
0624243672
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G'Day All,
I have to agree with Dennis.
I enjoy reading the articles posted but this is now just becoming a drag and
it should be now left alone.
Enough has been said and if some of you wish to continue and turn this in
mud slinging match, then please do so off list.
The points have been made.
At the same time, it is probably justified for someone to defend themselves
after a member has posted derogatory remarks, albeit that member possibly
trying to do the right thing by all of us in alerting us to what he
perceives to be a problem.
Now in essence, that's good, as it is good that the members alert us to what
they believe to be a problem that could impact on all of our wellbeing and
interest's.
Thanks Craig and thanks Humberto.
Cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Saturday, 29 January 2011 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Subject: Customer Service Example
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Take this dispute off the Yak list. I for one am not interested in
reading or seeing your personal emails. If you have a disagreement with
someone, email or speak to that person directly.
Dennis
On 1/28/2011 8:27 PM, gtnorth wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "gtnorth"<hdramisino@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Mr. Craig Payne, since it looks like I'm the bad guy, and you like to
go public, I will put public all the email you sent me with my answer and
let the other friends on the forum make their own conclusion.
>
> Let's start:
>
> from Cpayne
> reply-to Cpayne
> to hdramisino@gmail.com
> date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 5:57 AM
> subject Yak prop
> mailed-by joimail.com
> hide details 5/25/08
> Sir;
>
> Is that new propeller for the Yak a complete unit? I'm really only
interested in new blades that fit the old hub.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> Humberto's answer:
>
> Humberto Dramisino
> to Cpayne
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM
> subject Re: Yak prop
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 5/25/08
> Dear Craig,
> No they fit the original hub, you only have to do after installation a
> dynamic balancing.
> Please contact me for any other information
> this is some information for you:
>
> New GT2-V-25 blades versus V-530 Vperod
>
>
> Type: Type :
> GT2-V-25 V-530
> Tractor Tractor
> Two blade Two blade
> Hub application : V530 V530
> Installation :Screwed in to hub Same
> Diameter : 2.50/98,4" 2.40/94.5"
> Maximal blade width :245 mm/96" 240 mm/94.4
> Weight:About 9 kgs/18 Po. a blade Same
> Construction:Wood/carbon all wood
> Leading protection :Composite metal
> Blade design: Scimitar Oar Shape
> Airfoils : GT design Unknown
> Inertia moment : 05 KG-MP SP.S 05 KG-MP SP.S
> Application: 2.50/98", 360 hp 360 HP
> Looking : Modern sleek styled Old style
> Availability : New production Only used
> Maintenance : Spare blades /Oh Recon.old
>
> PERFORMANCE AND ADVANTAGES .
>
> Thanks to greater diameter and modern airfoils adopted on GT blades,
> tested in various flying conditions for years, many Yak 52 achieved
> outstanding performance compared to standard original blades :
>
> - Greater static thrust.
> - Shorter take off distance,both grass or hard surfaces.
> - Higher cruise speed @ any power setting.
> - @ 70% of power setting an average of 15 / 18 KMH / 8 /10 KTS faster.
> - Shorter landings thanks to greater propeller disc.
> - More energic feeling during all aerobatic manoeuvres.
> - Very good cooling in hot places.
> - Reduced noise level both in the cockpit that out side.
> - Smoother engine running.
> - Lower fuel burning.
> - Reduced engine damage when prop ground impact compared to blade made
> of aluminium or all composite.
>
>
> FEATURES :
>
> Blades diameter can be arraged from 2.50/98", up to 2.65/104".
> Standard configuration scimitar tips shaped.
> Square shaped blasdes on request.
> Metal leading edge in progress.
> For unlimited aerobatic operatos using 400/420 HP a greater metal
> blade retention is adopted.
> Standard finishing is high gloss White,Black,Grey.
> Custom paint on request.
> Carbon finishing is now available on request .
> Worldwide delivery .
> Standard YAK 52 360 HP 2.50/98", diameter.
> Other aircrafts using GT2-V-25 blades :
> Yak 52 TW.
> Yak 50.
> Yak 55.
> Yak 18.
> Other tests are in progress .
>
> Comparation
>
> GT2-V-25 price versus V530 and three blade.
> A reconditioned V-530 blades cost about 1.600,00 Euros with better
> looking. No performance increase.
> New GT blades with higher performance cost
> 5.500,00 Euros.
>
> Alternative :
> Three blade with modern looking and high performance cost about : 13.000
Euros
> Wich of these three options is your best solution ?
> IMPORTANT :
> GT-PROPELLERS supply only M-14 blades own designed and produced,
> statically balanced.
> GT-Propellers strongly advice to make new prop balance after
> installing the GT new blades.
> For every kind of M-14 application GT Propellers can advice you the
> best individual solution.
>
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> After this email I wrote another email to many YAK pilots and this was the
email: (please everybody notice the the date)
>
>
> From: Humberto Dramisino
> To: yakman@joimail.com
> Cc: GT PROPELLERS
> Sent: 2/4/2009 6:42:26 AM
> Subject: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
>
> Dear Sir,
> My name is Humberto Dramisino and I'm a business partner with GT propeller
in Italy.
>
> GT is an old manufacture of propeller for aircraft and they do propeller
for warbird like your CJ and many other.
>
> I will receive by the end of February one set of blade for your aircraft
and I'm looking for somebody interested to buy them, all the test they were
already made in Italy and Romania, and the result were outstanding compared
to the original one.
> The price for both propeller delivered to you is 8989.00, attached to this
email you have the manual please have a look.
>
> Our propeller are made in high densified wood, and are capable to use all
the power of your engine not limited like some of our competitors.
>
> If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to contact me.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> Mr. Craig answer was:
>
> rom yakman@joimail.com
> reply-to yakman@joimail.com
> to Humberto Dramisino
> date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
> subject RE: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> hide details 2/4/09
> Humberto,
>
> Thank you for the offer. Have not I seen this propeller blade replacement
offerring for over 3 years now? At $8989 USD for blades only, I am afraid
that the MTV 3-blade, with hub, becomes a viable option. At a price point of
$4000 - $5000 USD, the blades could get some initial market share, leading
to later price increases. Perhaps if your company could visit the major
events like Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh with a flying demo version, you could
start getting orders in the U.S.
>
> I could try your prop blades and show them off as I am located at Lakeland
Florida at the Sun 'N Fun location and also fly at Oshkosh AirVenure each
year.
>
> Could I also suggest that your Yak Manual could use some editing of the
English translation? This is something I could do. I spent my career in the
technical world and have authored many of the manuals available on the
RedStar Pilots Association website.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> This is my answer:
>
> rom Humberto Dramisino
> to yakman@joimail.com
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:27 PM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 2/4/09
> Dear Craig,
> Thank you for your quick response, just to clarify, the price is for the
two blade delivered (shipping included), you have to only remove the
original and put the new one on it, same hub.
> The two blade perform way better than the 3 blade from MT you can not even
compare them, test were done in Italy.
> 3 blades look only nicer if you want, no more than that.
> with GT-Propeller we guarantee better climb, better cruise at same rpm,
shorter landing, low noise comparable to 3 blades, , not to mention better
fuel economy.
> The foil design by GT Italy only for the Yak's type airplane is not a
generic prop like MT.
> If you interested please let me know, we are looking for serious people to
do serious business, we are not looking for somebody to test because as I
mentioned test were already done for the past 5 years, the product is final
and outperform anything that today is on the market.
> I will have soon the first set in north America please let me know if
there is any interest on your side.
> We are so sure about our quality that in our policy is if you are not
satisfy we will take the propeller back and you will be refund in full, this
is how we now that our product is the best, try to ask MT to do the same.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
> This is Mr. Craig answer:
>
> from yakman@joimail.com
> reply-to yakman@joimail.com
> to Humberto Dramisino
> date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 AM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> hide details 2/5/09
> Humberto,
>
> It's not about testing, it's about marketing. Many owners tend to discount
claims made by manufacturers and trust what they hear from a fellow owner
and see flying. Even if your blades could perform as you state, no one is
going to believe it without visible proof.
>
> The 3-blade "looks" better also, this is important to many owners.
Regardless, you will find few sales at those prices. As for the existing
2-blade V530, Whirlwind Propeller will refurbish an existing set of blades
with a composite cover and nickel edge for around $2500 per pair, delivered.
They look great and last a long time.
>
> My aircraft is a Nanchang CJ-6 with M-14P engine and large spinner, my
speeds are much higher than the Yaks. Could your propeller perform as well
on this kind of airframe? Engineering claims will not matter as much as real
comparisons by private owners.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> This is my last email before he stated "something got lost in the
translation:
>
> from Humberto Dramisino
> to yakman@joimail.com
> cc GT PROPELLERS
> date Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:45 AM
> subject Re: Humberto Dramisino from GT Propeller
> mailed-by gmail.com
> hide details 2/5/09
> Dear Craig,
> Like I mentioned to you I'm only looking somebody serious to sell my first
set of blade, and it amazed me how in this field owners of airplane are only
looking for the cheapest thing in the market to mounted on one of the most
important part of the airplane, and they don't look for more tangible
improvement, not to mention safety.
> I see people repair cracked wood propeller on these airplanes by adding a
piece of wood in the crack with glue, sand it and flying it, when in Italy
we not even use them to hang it on the wall.
>
> I also notice that often some pilot spend many thousand of dollar in
useless instrument when the only important thing that hold them in the air
they want it as cheap as possible, well I don't want to generalize and
that's way I know i will find somebody that understand all this.
> About the speed of your airplane yes the propeller will do the perfect job
on yours as well, if your airplane is more sleek in the air it will use more
pitch and the blade is design for that.
>
> I will keep you posted,
> Best regards,
> Humberto Dramisino
>
> Since than I never heard from you, until you wrote to GT the following:
> Buongiorno Alex,
>
> So does all this text you wrote on the Yak-list mean that we will see a
set of those prop blades on a Yak-52 or a CJ-6 at either Sun-n-Fun or
Oshkosh? I have tried to communicate with "Humberto" via email numerous
times but something got lost in translation.
>
> It's not the Talk I'm interested in, It's your prop blades on one of our
airplanes Walking the Talk, that will sell me on this prop. Quotes from your
Engineering department, filtered through Marketing may prove difficult to
translate into sales.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> After this email... sorry guys I blew out, why? because after all the
tests done by Rick Volker in USA, and many other pilots worldwide, you are
still wondering if these blades are good or not, and trying to convince us
to send you a free set for you to test. Sorry you came too late, no test no
more, if want them you will have to pay.
> About the manufacturers that are doing good looking replacement propellers
I tell you: sorry, GT is focused on making hi performance propellers not
only good looking design, and safety is our first target on our product.
> That's why GT takes the time to develop products - behind those blades
there are years of testing, test after test.
> The material GT use is one of the best available in world from the wood to
the composite, no compromise, no cheap off corners.
> GT doesn't make cheap propellers. If you are looking to save money and buy
a less expensive propeller and, you like to be a Guinea pig for others then
do what you please.
> If you'd like to discuss business, I can be available any time, just call
me.
> Best regards,
> Humberto
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328871#328871
>
>
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