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1. 05:02 AM - Re: Fine bubbles in oil? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 04:00 PM - Program Letter (Okanogan Lew)
3. 05:11 PM - Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:15 PM - Re: Program Letter (Kregg Victory)
5. 05:18 PM - Re: Program Letter (Pete Fowler)
6. 05:38 PM - Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 05:52 PM - Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 06:35 PM - Re: Program Letter (Kregg Victory)
9. 06:51 PM - Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | Re: Fine bubbles in oil? |
Pete,
I think you're a little over concerned about the amount of water you may
have gotten in you engine. Unless you left it out side, totally uncovered,
they just will not collect much water just from condensation.
Also "frothy"? To what degree? There is always some frothy in the oil.
It could very well be that the rings in that overhauled cylinder have not
set yet and blow by is frothing your oil. That might explain the venting at
the upper breather tube too. On my CJ I have that breather tube vented
back to the oil tank and use the oil tank vent. Also I have an intake tube
though the 1/9 baffle that takes in air to that same vent neck than to the
oil tank.
But I am not an expert - just a pilot.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 4/12/2011 7:25:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pfdesign1@cox.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
Got a cylinder overhauled and did an oil change as part of that work and
in the hour or so I've run it (flown it), the oil in the tank is full of
fine bubbles to the extent you could call it "frothy". When I come back next
morning, they're all gone and there's no milky substance so it doesn't look
like fluid or water got in the oil but I'm concerned about "frothy" oil.
My oil tank vents to the upper intake tube connection. As a precaution, I
took that all apart and cleaned it but still see bubbles in the oil when I
run the engine.
Oil pressure is normal, no abnormal running symptoms. I'm considering
draining all that new oil and re-filling but am otherwise stumped.
A secondary issue is that the upper breather tube seems to be venting some
oil.
This is Aeroshell 120, everything is as I'm used to running it. The system
has a new oil filter and the screens were all cleaned and the gaskets
replaced in all oil drains. There is a chance of some moisture infiltrating the
engine during the time the cylinder was off since, though it was carefully
covered in plastic, it was no hermetically sealed.
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Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to Porterville
with the dates & reason. They said I was good to go, & then I received another
e mail saying that they had no record of previous Program Letters & would I
please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in 2010, I sent them a copy
of my 2009 letter. They wrote back & said the 2009 letter was invalid & they
wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a letter even if the airplane
sits in a hanger for the year & no flights are planned? Also, is the letter only
for flights outside the 300 mile limit, or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc?
Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
Paul Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Answer - Yes, you ARE required to submit an Program letter each year.
As ridiculous as this is since there is no longer a proficiency area,
AIR 200 in DC when they issued the letter removing the 300/600 mile
proficiency area in Sept. 2007, didn't bother to think about Program
letters. Anyway, the aircraft's Operating Limitations dictate what you
must do.
Dennis
On 4/13/2011 5:57 PM, Okanogan Lew wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Okanogan Lew"<vplewis@community.org>
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> Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to Porterville
with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,& then I received another
e mail saying that they had no record of previous Program Letters& would
I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in 2010, I sent them a copy
of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said the 2009 letter was invalid& they
wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a letter even if the airplane
sits in a hanger for the year& no flights are planned? Also, is the letter
only for flights outside the 300 mile limit, or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc?
Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
>
> Paul Lewis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336872#336872
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No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't fly the
plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
Kregg
Victory Aero LLC
2502 John Montgomery Dr.
San Jose, CA 95148
408-836-5122
www.balancemyprop.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
Porterville with the dates & reason. They said I was good to go, & then I
received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous Program
Letters & would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in
2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back & said the 2009
letter was invalid & they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a
letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year & no flights are
planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile limit,
or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
Paul Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
My understanding (and what the FSDO told me) is that you have to file a program
letter every year. Mine basically says I'm going to fly my plane whenever I want
to do training and airshows and FAST proficiency stuff and take it to places
for maintenance and above. If you have the 300 mile limit (easy to remove in
my experience helping a friend who had it) then those flights have to be on
the letter.
I add airshow appearances that I'm planning on doing but it's one of those bits
of paper the FSDO needs in your folder every year. Mine courteously sends me
a reminder every year and I just update the dates and airshows and send it back
to them.
It's paperwork, they always want the paperwork regardless of what you're doing
from what I understand.
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm pretty
certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must be
submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x). Page
178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows, fly-ins,
etc., that will be attended during the next year, commencing at
the time this aircraft is released into phase II operation. This list of
events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO prior
to the intended operation amendments. A copy of the highlighted
aeronautical chart, when applicable, must be carried aboard this
aircraft and be available to the pilot.
(Applicability: All)
Dennis
On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg Victory"<kregg@balancemyprop.com>
>
> No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't fly the
> plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
>
> Kregg
>
> Victory Aero LLC
> 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
> San Jose, CA 95148
> 408-836-5122
> www.balancemyprop.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Okanogan Lew"<vplewis@community.org>
>
> Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
> Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,& then I
> received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous Program
> Letters& would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in
> 2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said the 2009
> letter was invalid& they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a
> letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year& no flights are
> planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile limit,
> or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
>
> Paul Lewis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336872#336872
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Even if the airplane is not going to fly, a Program Letter must be
submitted and can state "No events scheduled for 20xx". This fulfills
the OL's requirements. Should the airplane fly and then need to attend
an event, it can be submitted as an amendment to the Program Letter by
FAX to the FSDO.
Dennis
On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm pretty
> certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must be
> submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x). Page
> 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
> program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows, fly-ins,
> etc., that will be attended during the next year, commencing at
> the time this aircraft is released into phase II operation. This list of
> events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO prior
> to the intended operation amendments. A copy of the highlighted
> aeronautical chart, when applicable, must be carried aboard this
> aircraft and be available to the pilot.
> (Applicability: All)
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
>>
>> No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't fly the
>> plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
>>
>> Kregg
>>
>> Victory Aero LLC
>> 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
>> San Jose, CA 95148
>> 408-836-5122
>> www.balancemyprop.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
>>
>>
>> Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
>> Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,& then I
>> received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous
>> Program
>> Letters& would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in
>> 2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said the
>> 2009
>> letter was invalid& they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a
>> letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year& no flights are
>> planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile limit,
>> or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
>>
>> Paul Lewis
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336872#336872
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
I guess fisdo's can be a little different
Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>Even if the airplane is not going to fly, a Program Letter must be
>submitted and can state "No events scheduled for 20xx". This fulfills
>the OL's requirements. Should the airplane fly and then need to attend
>an event, it can be submitted as an amendment to the Program Letter by
>FAX to the FSDO.
>Dennis
>
>On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm pretty
>> certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must be
>> submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x). Page
>> 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
>> program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows, fly-ins,
>> etc., that will be attended during the next year, commencing at
>> the time this aircraft is released into phase II operation. This list of
>> events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO prior
>> to the intended operation amendments. A copy of the highlighted
>> aeronautical chart, when applicable, must be carried aboard this
>> aircraft and be available to the pilot.
>> (Applicability: All)
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
>>>
>>> No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't fly the
>>> plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
>>>
>>> Kregg
>>>
>>> Victory Aero LLC
>>> 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
>>> San Jose, CA 95148
>>> 408-836-5122
>>> www.balancemyprop.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
>>> Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,& then I
>>> received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous
>>> Program
>>> Letters& would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in
>>> 2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said the
>>> 2009
>>> letter was invalid& they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a
>>> letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year& no flights are
>>> planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile limit,
>>> or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Paul Lewis
>>>
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>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336872#336872
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
FSDO's/FSDO inspectors can not verbally override an aircraft's OL's.
The OL's always take precedent.
Dennis
On 4/13/2011 8:31 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Kregg Victory<kregg@balancemyprop.com>
>
> I guess fisdo's can be a little different
>
> Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese"<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Even if the airplane is not going to fly, a Program Letter must be
>> submitted and can state "No events scheduled for 20xx". This fulfills
>> the OL's requirements. Should the airplane fly and then need to attend
>> an event, it can be submitted as an amendment to the Program Letter by
>> FAX to the FSDO.
>> Dennis
>>
>> On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm pretty
>>> certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must be
>>> submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x). Page
>>> 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
>>> program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows, fly-ins,
>>> etc., that will be attended during the next year, commencing at
>>> the time this aircraft is released into phase II operation. This list of
>>> events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO prior
>>> to the intended operation amendments. A copy of the highlighted
>>> aeronautical chart, when applicable, must be carried aboard this
>>> aircraft and be available to the pilot.
>>> (Applicability: All)
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg Victory"<kregg@balancemyprop.com>
>>>>
>>>> No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't fly the
>>>> plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
>>>>
>>>> Kregg
>>>>
>>>> Victory Aero LLC
>>>> 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
>>>> San Jose, CA 95148
>>>> 408-836-5122
>>>> www.balancemyprop.com
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
>>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Okanogan Lew"<vplewis@community.org>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
>>>> Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,& then I
>>>> received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous
>>>> Program
>>>> Letters& would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere in
>>>> 2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said the
>>>> 2009
>>>> letter was invalid& they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to send a
>>>> letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year& no flights are
>>>> planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile limit,
>>>> or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Lewis
>>>>
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>>>> Read this topic online here:
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