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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Program Letter (okanoganlew@gmail.com)
3. 11:35 AM - Re: Program Letter (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
4. 11:50 AM - Re: Program Letter (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Program Letter (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 11:53 AM - Re: Oil shut off valve. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 12:05 PM - Re: Program Letter (George Coy)
8. 12:15 PM - Re: Program Letter (Eric Wobschall)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Program Letter (Warren Hill)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Program Letter (William Halverson)
12. 04:00 PM - Re: Oil shut off valve. (Chris Wise)
13. 04:35 PM - Re: Oil shut off valve. (Tom Elliott)
14. 04:52 PM - Re: Oil shut off valve. (Eric Wobschall)
15. 05:13 PM - Re: Oil shut off valve. (Chris Wise)
16. 05:15 PM - Re: Oil shut off valve. (Chris Wise)
17. 07:05 PM - Oil Shut Off Valve. (Chris Wise)
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
So which would you prefer to do? Not turn in any program letter for the
year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get asked
by some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please", or
carry one with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll
carry one that says "no events scheduled".
I'm not trying to be adversarial here. Everyone reading this can make
their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a copy of
a Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned
activities (events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low
profile when it comes to the FAA.
Dennis
On 4/14/2011 9:07 AM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
> Dennis, the OL states you must report activity for the year. It does not
> say that you must report non activity.
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> Paul
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> On Apr 13, 2011 6:48pm, "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > On 4/13/2011 8:31 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Kregg Victorykregg@balancemyprop.com>
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> > I guess fisdo's can be a little different
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> > "A. Dennis Savarese"dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > Even if the airplane is not going to fly, a Program Letter must be
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> > On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
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> > Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm pretty
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> > certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must be
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> > submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x). Page
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> > 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
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> > program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows, fly-ins,
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> > events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO prior
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> > Dennis
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> > On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg Victory"kregg@balancemyprop.com>
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> > No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't fly the
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> > Kregg
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> > Victory Aero LLC
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> > 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
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> > San Jose, CA 95148
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> > www.balancemyprop.com
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
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> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
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> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
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> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
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> > Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Okanogan Lew"vplewis@community.org>
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> > Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
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> > Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,&
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They will not accept a program letter with nothing on it.
They will also not accept a program letter with EVERYTHING on it.
They will not accept NO program letter since your Operating Limitations
says you must turn one in.
In my mind, this is a kind of game.... and I have been through a lot of
games like this, since I work for the Govt. too.
Here is the bottom line:
The FAA has guidelines and requirements that they must follow.
Some of these impact us as Experimental Exhibition owners.
Logic and reason have nothing to do with this... so don't go there.
Figure out.. .and if necessary ASK THEM just what it is they require and
just do it. You lose NOTHING by going along with the game.
It is tempting to get into a verbal fight with these people. Believe
me... BELIEVE ME... I know that myself.
Here's the plus: I met one gentlemen locally at my FISDO that I
respect, and who I believe is being totally honest with me. If you can
find a person like I have, you are really in luck. I can TALK to this
guy. And I honestly believe he has my best interests in mind. So I
asked him. He told me. I did what he told me to do. All seems to be
well.
I suggest this course of action to all. "Low Profile" is exactly right.
Mark Bitterlich
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
So which would you prefer to do? Not turn in any program letter for the
year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get asked
by some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please", or
carry one with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll
carry one that says "no events scheduled".
I'm not trying to be adversarial here. Everyone reading this can make
their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a copy of
a Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned
activities (events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low
profile when it comes to the FAA.
Dennis
On 4/14/2011 9:07 AM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
> Dennis, the OL states you must report activity for the year. It does
not
> say that you must report non activity.
>
> Paul
>
> On Apr 13, 2011 6:48pm, "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
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> > FSDO's/FSDO inspectors can not verbally override an aircraft's
OL's.
> The OL's always take precedent.
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> > Dennis
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> > On 4/13/2011 8:31 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Kregg
Victorykregg@balancemyprop.com>
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> > I guess fisdo's can be a little different
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> > Sent from my Samsung Epic(tm) 4G
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> > "A. Dennis Savarese"dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis
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> > Even if the airplane is not going to fly, a Program Letter must be
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> > submitted and can state "No events scheduled for 20xx". This
fulfills
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> > the OL's requirements. Should the airplane fly and then need to
attend
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> > an event, it can be submitted as an amendment to the Program Letter
by
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> > FAX to the FSDO.
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> > Dennis
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> > On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
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> > Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm
pretty
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> > certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must
be
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> > submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x).
Page
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> > 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
> >
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> > program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows,
fly-ins,
> >
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> > etc., that will be attended during the next year, commencing at
> >
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> > the time this aircraft is released into phase II operation. This
list of
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> > events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO
prior
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> > to the intended operation amendments. A copy of the highlighted
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> > aeronautical chart, when applicable, must be carried aboard this
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> > Dennis
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> > On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg
Victory"kregg@balancemyprop.com>
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> > No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't
fly the
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> > plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
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> > Kregg
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> > Victory Aero LLC
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> > 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
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> > San Jose, CA 95148
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> > 408-836-5122
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> > www.balancemyprop.com
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan
Lew
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> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
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> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
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> > Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Okanogan
Lew"vplewis@community.org>
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> > Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
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> > Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,&
> then I
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> > received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous
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> > Program
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> > Letters& would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere
in
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> > 2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said
the
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> > 2009
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> > letter was invalid& they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to
> send a
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> > letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year& no
> flights are
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> > planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile
> limit,
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> > or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences?
Thanks.
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> > Paul Lewis
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So you wouldn't get ramp checked at your own airport? I've personally
gotten ramp checked at the damndest places. I once had a former fellow PA
A
pilot and good friend ramp check me! It may "not make any sense" EXCEPT
to
the FAA.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 4/15/2011 2:34:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
okanoganlew@gmail.com writes:
That does'nt make any sense Dennis. If you are not attending events, then
why would you be concerned with a ranp check?
On Apr 15, 2011 4:09am, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
>
wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>
>
>
> So which would you prefer to do? Not turn in any program letter for th
e
year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get asked
by
some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please", or carry on
e
with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll carry one tha
t
says "no events scheduled".
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm not trying to be adversarial here. Everyone reading this can make
their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a copy of
a
Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned activities
(events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low profile when
it
comes to the FAA.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/14/2011 9:07 AM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dennis, the OL states you must report activity for the year. It does no
t
>
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> say that you must report non activity.
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2011 6:48pm, "A. Dennis Savarese"
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> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > FSDO's/FSDO inspectors can not verbally override an aircraft's OL's.
>
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> The OL's always take precedent.
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>
> >
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> > Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
If you are flying an airplane, you always have to be concerned with a
ramp check.
If you believe that FAA ramp checks are totally random, you are
mistaken.
Assuming that what the FAA does always makes sense is an example of an
Oxymoron.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
okanoganlew@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
That does'nt make any sense Dennis. If you are not attending events,
then why would you be concerned with a ranp check?
On Apr 15, 2011 4:09am, "A. Dennis Savarese"
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the year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get
asked by some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please",
or carry one with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll
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their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a copy of
a Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned
activities (events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low
profile when it comes to the FAA.
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fly-ins,
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prior
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| Subject: | Oil shut off valve. |
Chris,
Use a relay.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day,
Looking at the micro switch on the Kimball oil shut off valve would
indicate that the starter button circuit cannot be wired thru the micro
switch as the current rating seems to be too low.
Can anyone provide a wiring diagram to incorporate the shut off valve
and micro switch for a 52 and 18T?
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
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The game depends on the vintage of your program letter. In the 300NM
"Proficiency" days you did not need a program letter unless you were going
outside the 300 NM. I got "RAMPED" 280 NM from home one day and showed the
OPs limits and that was that. No Problem. (also no letter that year)
Also you guys should understand that every FSDO and even inspectors
within a FSDO have different interpretations of what is required. Best to
know your FSDO guy and discuss with him/her what you should do and have him
ready to back you up if needed when some other FSDO guy says differently.
Un officially I will tell you that my FSDO guys pretty much just discarded
my letters after they received them. As you are not REQUIRED to carry a copy
of the letter with you when traveling, then it leaves a lot of room for
"interpretation"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Program Letter
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
They will not accept a program letter with nothing on it.
They will also not accept a program letter with EVERYTHING on it.
They will not accept NO program letter since your Operating Limitations
says you must turn one in.
In my mind, this is a kind of game.... and I have been through a lot of
games like this, since I work for the Govt. too.
Here is the bottom line:
The FAA has guidelines and requirements that they must follow.
Some of these impact us as Experimental Exhibition owners.
Logic and reason have nothing to do with this... so don't go there.
Figure out.. .and if necessary ASK THEM just what it is they require and
just do it. You lose NOTHING by going along with the game.
It is tempting to get into a verbal fight with these people. Believe
me... BELIEVE ME... I know that myself.
Here's the plus: I met one gentlemen locally at my FISDO that I
respect, and who I believe is being totally honest with me. If you can
find a person like I have, you are really in luck. I can TALK to this
guy. And I honestly believe he has my best interests in mind. So I
asked him. He told me. I did what he told me to do. All seems to be
well.
I suggest this course of action to all. "Low Profile" is exactly right.
Mark Bitterlich
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
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So which would you prefer to do? Not turn in any program letter for the
year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get asked
by some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please", or
carry one with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll
carry one that says "no events scheduled".
I'm not trying to be adversarial here. Everyone reading this can make
their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a copy of
a Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned
activities (events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low
profile when it comes to the FAA.
Dennis
On 4/14/2011 9:07 AM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
> Dennis, the OL states you must report activity for the year. It does
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
You could be flying locally off your home airport for proficiency (which
doesn't have to be on your program letter), and be ramped there.
On Apr 15, 2011, at 2:30 PM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
> That does'nt make any sense Dennis. If you are not attending events,
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> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
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> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg
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> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Okanogan Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
When I first got my CJ, one of the local CJ gurus told me to anticipate getting
ramp checked at every event attended. Told me to have a plastic folder in the
aft cockpit that contained:
Copy of license and current medical.
Copy from logbook: Last BFR, last annual, warbird FFA inspection logbook entry.
Phase 2 operating limitations.
Current insurance info.
Picture of expiratory date tag(s) of parachute(s).
Program letter for current year.
Registration & special airworthiness certificate.
Copy of FAST card, if you have one.
Warren
On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:02 PM, George Coy wrote:
>
> The game depends on the vintage of your program letter. In the 300NM
> "Proficiency" days you did not need a program letter unless you were going
> outside the 300 NM. I got "RAMPED" 280 NM from home one day and showed the
> OPs limits and that was that. No Problem. (also no letter that year)
> Also you guys should understand that every FSDO and even inspectors
> within a FSDO have different interpretations of what is required. Best to
> know your FSDO guy and discuss with him/her what you should do and have him
> ready to back you up if needed when some other FSDO guy says differently.
>
> Un officially I will tell you that my FSDO guys pretty much just discarded
> my letters after they received them. As you are not REQUIRED to carry a copy
> of the letter with you when traveling, then it leaves a lot of room for
> "interpretation"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:31 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Program Letter
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> They will not accept a program letter with nothing on it.
>
> They will also not accept a program letter with EVERYTHING on it.
>
> They will not accept NO program letter since your Operating Limitations
> says you must turn one in.
>
> In my mind, this is a kind of game.... and I have been through a lot of
> games like this, since I work for the Govt. too.
>
> Here is the bottom line:
>
> The FAA has guidelines and requirements that they must follow.
>
> Some of these impact us as Experimental Exhibition owners.
>
> Logic and reason have nothing to do with this... so don't go there.
>
> Figure out.. .and if necessary ASK THEM just what it is they require and
> just do it. You lose NOTHING by going along with the game.
>
> It is tempting to get into a verbal fight with these people. Believe
> me... BELIEVE ME... I know that myself.
>
> Here's the plus: I met one gentlemen locally at my FISDO that I
> respect, and who I believe is being totally honest with me. If you can
> find a person like I have, you are really in luck. I can TALK to this
> guy. And I honestly believe he has my best interests in mind. So I
> asked him. He told me. I did what he told me to do. All seems to be
> well.
>
> I suggest this course of action to all. "Low Profile" is exactly right.
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:10 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> So which would you prefer to do? Not turn in any program letter for the
>
> year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get asked
> by some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please", or
> carry one with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll
> carry one that says "no events scheduled".
>
> I'm not trying to be adversarial here. Everyone reading this can make
> their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a copy of
>
> a Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned
> activities (events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low
> profile when it comes to the FAA.
>
> Dennis
>
> On 4/14/2011 9:07 AM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
>> Dennis, the OL states you must report activity for the year. It does
> not
>> say that you must report non activity.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2011 6:48pm, "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> FSDO's/FSDO inspectors can not verbally override an aircraft's
> OL's.
>> The OL's always take precedent.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/13/2011 8:31 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Kregg
> Victorykregg@balancemyprop.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess fisdo's can be a little different
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>>> Sent from my Samsung Epic(tm) 4G
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> "A. Dennis Savarese"dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
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>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis
>> Savarese"dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Even if the airplane is not going to fly, a Program Letter must be
>>>
>>>
>>> submitted and can state "No events scheduled for 20xx". This
> fulfills
>>>
>>>
>>> the OL's requirements. Should the airplane fly and then need to
> attend
>>>
>>>
>>> an event, it can be submitted as an amendment to the Program Letter
> by
>>>
>>>
>>> FAX to the FSDO.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>>>
>>>
>>> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm
> pretty
>>>
>>>
>>> certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must
> be
>>>
>>>
>>> submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x).
> Page
>>>
>>>
>>> 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
>>>
>>>
>>> program letter update to the local FSDO that lists airshows,
> fly-ins,
>>>
>>>
>>> etc., that will be attended during the next year, commencing at
>>>
>>>
>>> the time this aircraft is released into phase II operation. This
> list of
>>>
>>>
>>> events may be amended, as applicable, by letter or fax to the FSDO
> prior
>>>
>>>
>>> to the intended operation amendments. A copy of the highlighted
>>>
>>>
>>> aeronautical chart, when applicable, must be carried aboard this
>>>
>>>
>>> aircraft and be available to the pilot.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Applicability: All)
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>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/13/2011 7:13 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg
> Victory"kregg@balancemyprop.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't
> fly the
>>>
>>>
>>> plane. They are only good for one year at a time anyway
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kregg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Victory Aero LLC
>>>
>>>
>>> 2502 John Montgomery Dr.
>>>
>>>
>>> San Jose, CA 95148
>>>
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>>> 408-836-5122
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>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
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>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan
> Lew
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
>>>
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>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
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>>>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Okanogan
> Lew"vplewis@community.org>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Guys, I sent an e mail to my FSDO saying that I would be flying to
>>>
>>>
>>> Porterville with the dates& reason. They said I was good to go,&
>> then I
>>>
>>>
>>> received another e mail saying that they had no record of previous
>>>
>>>
>>> Program
>>>
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>>> Letters& would I please send them one. Since I did not go anywhere
> in
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010, I sent them a copy of my 2009 letter. They wrote back& said
> the
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009
>>>
>>>
>>> letter was invalid& they wanted one from 2010. Are we required to
>> send a
>>>
>>>
>>> letter even if the airplane sits in a hanger for the year& no
>> flights are
>>>
>>>
>>> planned? Also, is the letter only for flights outside the 300 mile
>> limit,
>>>
>>>
>>> or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences?
> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Lewis
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I've seen FAA inspectors on the ramp of an airport where there wasn't an
event and ask someone for their paperwork.
Dennis
On 4/15/2011 1:30 PM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
> That does'nt make any sense Dennis. If you are not attending events,
> then why would you be concerned with a ranp check?
>
> On Apr 15, 2011 4:09am, "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >
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> >
> > So which would you prefer to do? Not turn in any program letter for
> the year because you don't have any planned events/activities and get
> asked by some inspector, "can you show me your Program Letter please",
> or carry one with you that says "No EVENTS scheduled". Personally, I'll
> carry one that says "no events scheduled".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not trying to be adversarial here. Everyone reading this can
> make their own decision as to whether they want to submit and carry a
> copy of a Program Letter or not, regardless of whether there are planned
> activities (events scheduled) or not. I believe in maintaining a low
> profile when it comes to the FAA.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On 4/14/2011 9:07 AM, okanoganlew@gmail.com wrote:
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> > Dennis, the OL states you must report activity for the year. It does not
> >
> >
> > say that you must report non activity.
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> >
> > Paul
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> >
> > On Apr 13, 2011 6:48pm, "A. Dennis Savarese"
> >
> >
> > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
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> > > FSDO's/FSDO inspectors can not verbally override an aircraft's OL's.
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> > The OL's always take precedent.
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> > > Dennis
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> > > On 4/13/2011 8:31 PM, Kregg Victory wrote:
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> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Kregg Victorykregg@balancemyprop.com>
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> > > "A. Dennis Savarese"dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis
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> > > submitted and can state "No events scheduled for 20xx". This fulfills
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> > > FAX to the FSDO.
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> > > On 4/13/2011 7:36 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
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> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
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> > > Kregg, the operating limitations state what must be done and I'm
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> > > certain like most operating limitations, say a Program letter must be
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> > > submitted each year. Here is the wording from FAA Order 8130.2(x).
> Page
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> > > 178. (37) The owner/operator of this aircraft must submit an annual
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> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kregg
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> > > No you are not required to send the letter for a year you didn't
> fly the
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
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> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Okanogan Lew
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> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:58 PM
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> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
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> > > or all fly-in, exhibitions, etc? Any comments or experiences? Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Concur ... FDSOs are looking more closely at Experimental Exhibition types than
they used to ... I now expect an inspection every three years ...
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E [mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil]
+Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:45 AM
+To: yak-list@matronics.com
+Subject: RE: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
+
+
+If you are flying an airplane, you always have to be concerned with a
+ramp check.
+
+If you believe that FAA ramp checks are totally random, you are
+mistaken.
+
+
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| Subject: | Oil shut off valve. |
G'Day Mark,
Thanks for that.
Yeah, I have already ordered 3 continuous rated 24Volt relays for My 18T
another 18T and a 52.
I thought that there may be a way to direct the starter circuit thru the
micro switch in a simple manner.
I could not find a way as I do not think that the current rating for the
micro switch would handle the load.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Chris,
Use a relay.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day,
Looking at the micro switch on the Kimball oil shut off valve would
indicate that the starter button circuit cannot be wired thru the micro
switch as the current rating seems to be too low.
Can anyone provide a wiring diagram to incorporate the shut off valve
and micro switch for a 52 and 18T?
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
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| Subject: | Oil shut off valve. |
I have been using a micro-switch for 8 plus years on a CJ. No problems
remember that you are not opening or closing
This switch under load.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004
Sandy Valley NV
89019
Cell 702-595-2680
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day Mark,
Thanks for that.
Yeah, I have already ordered 3 continuous rated 24Volt relays for My 18T
another 18T and a 52.
I thought that there may be a way to direct the starter circuit thru the
micro switch in a simple manner.
I could not find a way as I do not think that the current rating for the
micro switch would handle the load.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Chris,
Use a relay.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day,
Looking at the micro switch on the Kimball oil shut off valve would
indicate that the starter button circuit cannot be wired thru the micro
switch as the current rating seems to be too low.
Can anyone provide a wiring diagram to incorporate the shut off valve
and micro switch for a 52 and 18T?
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil shut off valve. |
Yeah, despite the name "micro" those switched are often used to switch
110 or 220 AC at several amps. Since a relay would add a failure mode, I
wouldn't add one unless the contact rating won't allow for it with some
margin.
On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Tom Elliott wrote:
> I have been using a micro-switch for 8 plus years on a CJ. No problems
remember that you are not opening or closing
> This switch under load.
>
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6A NX63727
> 777 Quartz Ave
> PMB 7004
> Sandy Valley NV
> 89019
> Cell 702-595-2680
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:56 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
>
>
> G'Day Mark,
>
> Thanks for that.
> Yeah, I have already ordered 3 continuous rated 24Volt relays for My
18T
> another 18T and a 52.
> I thought that there may be a way to direct the starter circuit thru
the
> micro switch in a simple manner.
> I could not find a way as I do not think that the current rating for
the
> micro switch would handle the load.
>
>
> Thanks and cheers,
> Chris.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 4:21 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
>
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Chris,
>
> Use a relay.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
>
> G'Day,
>
>
>
> Looking at the micro switch on the Kimball oil shut off valve would
> indicate that the starter button circuit cannot be wired thru the
micro
> switch as the current rating seems to be too low.
>
> Can anyone provide a wiring diagram to incorporate the shut off valve
> and micro switch for a 52 and 18T?
>
>
>
> Thanks and
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| Subject: | Oil shut off valve. |
Thanks Tom.
I agree with opening and closing not under load.
Cliff Coy has replied and kindly advised that Omron make the same Micro
Switch in 15 Amp.
So for peace of mind I shall replace the micro with a 15 Amper and then wire
as you all do.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Elliott
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
I have been using a micro-switch for 8 plus years on a CJ. No problems
remember that you are not opening or closing
This switch under load.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004
Sandy Valley NV
89019
Cell 702-595-2680
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day Mark,
Thanks for that.
Yeah, I have already ordered 3 continuous rated 24Volt relays for My 18T
another 18T and a 52.
I thought that there may be a way to direct the starter circuit thru the
micro switch in a simple manner.
I could not find a way as I do not think that the current rating for the
micro switch would handle the load.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Chris,
Use a relay.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day,
Looking at the micro switch on the Kimball oil shut off valve would
indicate that the starter button circuit cannot be wired thru the micro
switch as the current rating seems to be too low.
Can anyone provide a wiring diagram to incorporate the shut off valve
and micro switch for a 52 and 18T?
Thanks and
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| Subject: | Oil shut off valve. |
Tom,
I am going with a 15 Amp Micro.
Also remember that if making and breaking a DC load, requires a switch with
heavier contacts.
As you say, there is no switching load in this case.
Cheers,
Chris.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
Yeah, despite the name "micro" those switched are often used to switch 110
or 220 AC at several amps. Since a relay would add a failure mode, I
wouldn't add one unless the contact rating won't allow for it with some
margin.
On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Tom Elliott wrote:
I have been using a micro-switch for 8 plus years on a CJ. No problems
remember that you are not opening or closing
This switch under load.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004
Sandy Valley NV
89019
Cell 702-595-2680
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day Mark,
Thanks for that.
Yeah, I have already ordered 3 continuous rated 24Volt relays for My 18T
another 18T and a 52.
I thought that there may be a way to direct the starter circuit thru the
micro switch in a simple manner.
I could not find a way as I do not think that the current rating for the
micro switch would handle the load.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Chris,
Use a relay.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil shut off valve.
G'Day,
Looking at the micro switch on the Kimball oil shut off valve would
indicate that the starter button circuit cannot be wired thru the micro
switch as the current rating seems to be too low.
Can anyone provide a wiring diagram to incorporate the shut off valve
and micro switch for a 52 and 18T?
Thanks and
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| Subject: | Oil Shut Off Valve. |
G'Day All,
Thanks for the replies re the setting up of the ignition wiring to the micro
switch on the oil shut off valve.
I had ordered a 24 Volt continues rated solenoid as I did not think that the
switch had heavy enough contacts as it is a D.C. load that it had to handle.
Conclusion.
Keep it as simple as possible and route the wiring from the ignition C/B
(Switch) thru the Micro Switch located on the oil shut off valve. No
solenoid.
Agreed that there is no switching load on the micro switch and Cliff Coy has
forwarded the details of where to purchase a micro switch with a 15 amp
rating.
Problem solved and thanks.
Cheers,
Chris.
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