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3. 05:03 PM - Re: Program Letter (keithmckinley)
4. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Program Letter (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 06:17 PM - Re: Program Letter (keithmckinley)
6. 07:02 PM - Re: Program Letter (keithmckinley)
7. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Program Letter (Warren Hill)
8. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Program Letter (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 08:10 PM - Re: Program Letter (keithmckinley)
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I think we should send the author of the above note a thank you note.
schrick@pacbell.net
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
k7wx wrote:
> As you are not REQUIRED to carry a copy
> of the letter with you when traveling
>
> --
I know this subject is beat up but I've looked and can't find anything regarding
whether the PL needs to be with the airplane or not. I carry mine but didn't
think it was required. Then again, it seems that the PL may be an addendum to
the ops limits and that is required.....
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Every FISDO interprets rules differently, which is why there are
lawyers. Sigh.
I asked MY FISDO and they say it is not required to be carried in the
aircraft. They also mentioned other FISDO's might not agree with them
and if you are traveling outside of your area, it might be wise to carry
it. Makes sense to me.
Bottom line in my humble opinion is: Your Operating Limitations spell
out exactly what you are required to do. Those Operating Limitations
tell you that a Program Letter must be written and submitted to the FAA
every year. They do not say that you are required to carry that Program
Letter with you.
It also gets sticky if you still have your 300 mile limit in your
Operating Limitations. Do you? If you do, then if where you are going
is outside of that limit and your destination is not on your submitted
program letter, you must send in a modification to your program letter.
If you do that, I would always carry that with me just to prove to the
FAA that I did things right.
I have had that limitation REMOVED from my Operating Limitations. That
said, if I go somewhere distant, I still think I would send in a
notification to the FAA of where I was going. You're not asking
permission, you're just keeping them informed, and I don't see any
reason not to do that and it tends to show you are working with them
instead of against them.
That said.... there are also those that say that the less the FAA knows
about what you do, the better.
I suspect the best answer is just to take the path of least resistance.
Ask your local FISDO their opinion on the matter.
Mark Bitterlich
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Program Letter
<keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
k7wx wrote:
> As you are not REQUIRED to carry a copy
> of the letter with you when traveling
>
> --
I know this subject is beat up but I've looked and can't find anything
regarding whether the PL needs to be with the airplane or not. I carry
mine but didn't think it was required. Then again, it seems that the PL
may be an addendum to the ops limits and that is required.....
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Mark,
Thanks for the feedback.
No 300 mile restriction. No doubt it is easier to play nice with the Fed's and
yes it does pay dividends, but sometimes I think it's important to make sure
they interpret things correctly and realize (as inspectors) they don't make the
rules. More than anything, I just have an aversion to ass kissing.......but
not to protecting my own ass!
Semper Fi
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Mark,
Thanks for the feedback.
No 300 mile restriction. No doubt it is easier to play nice with the Fed's and
yes it does pay dividends, but sometimes I think it's important to make sure
they interpret things correctly and realize (as inspectors) they don't make the
rules. More than anything, I just have an aversion to ass kissing.......but
not to protecting my own ass!
Semper Fi
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Hello Keith,
This is actually what I wrote.
Warren
On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Warren Hill wrote:
> When I first got my CJ, one of the local CJ gurus told me to anticipate getting
ramp checked at every event attended. Told me to have a plastic folder in the
aft cockpit that contained:
>
> Copy of license and current medical.
> Copy from logbook: Last BFR, last annual, warbird FFA inspection logbook entry.
> Phase 2 operating limitations.
> Current insurance info.
> Picture of expiratory date tag(s) of parachute(s).
> Program letter for current year.
> Registration & special airworthiness certificate.
> Copy of FAST card, if you have one.
>
> Warren
On May 24, 2011, at 5:00 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
>
>
> k7wx wrote:
>> As you are not REQUIRED to carry a copy
>> of the letter with you when traveling
>>
>> --
>
>
> I know this subject is beat up but I've looked and can't find anything regarding
whether the PL needs to be with the airplane or not. I carry mine but didn't
think it was required. Then again, it seems that the PL may be an addendum
to the ops limits and that is required.....
>
> Keith
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> KFIT
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340846#340846
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Here's something to think about.
The program letter and modifications which you may send by fax are in
fact part of the Operating Limitations for the airplane. We all know
you are required to carry the OL's in the airplane at all times. Since
the Program Letter is actually a part of the OL's, then IMHO, it is also
required to be carried in the airplane.
Unfortunately, when the FAA removed the 300/600 NM proficiency area,
they failed to include the elimination of the Program Letter, which
would have made logical sense. ie: if you don't have any restrictions
as to where you can fly, they why do you need a Program Letter to attend
an event?
When you attend an event that may also be attended by the FAA (typically
when there is wavered airspace) and they ask to see your aircraft's
paperwork as well as you pilot certificate and current medical form,
when you hand him/her the aircraft's Operating Limitations he/she will
also ask to see your Program Letter or modification for this specific
event. If you do not have your Program Letter with the specific event
on it or a modification/update to the program letter which you submitted
to your FSDO with you, the FAA person may not permit you to stay at the
event. I had this happen to me about 5 years ago. Thus, when I sent
my program letter in to the FSDO each year, I automatically put a copy
in the airplane along with any modifications.
Dennis
On 5/24/2011 9:00 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "keithmckinley"<keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> No 300 mile restriction. No doubt it is easier to play nice with the Fed's and
yes it does pay dividends, but sometimes I think it's important to make sure
they interpret things correctly and realize (as inspectors) they don't make
the rules. More than anything, I just have an aversion to ass kissing.......but
not to protecting my own ass!
>
> Semper Fi
>
> Keith
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> KFIT
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340874#340874
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
well said.
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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