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1. 12:39 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (Jan Mevis)
2. 01:57 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (ssssskippy)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: CJ 285 hp engine (KingCJ6@aol.com)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (Joseph Colquitt)
5. 11:52 AM - Re: Yak-52 original interior colors (Cliff Coy)
6. 07:24 PM - Re: CJ 285 hp engine (Nanchang CJ6)
7. 08:30 PM - New Whirl Wind Aviation M-14P Composite 3-Blade Propeller - For Etienne from Belgium (cd001633)
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| Subject: | M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
Indeed that IS the problem and by consequence, some nice oldtimer planes
won't fly anymore.
Our authorities decided that AVGAS 100LL will be ruled out (in Europe by
2017). It's not certain yet how they'll do it in practice. Probably by
starting taxation to "virtually unpayable".
Then there's not enough demand anymore, so the few remaining oil refineries
that still produce AVGAS 100LL will switch their production lines to other
fuels. And the only factory in the world that still produces TEL, will also
start making something else.
Also: most military and commercial planes do not need avgas, so what is the
consumption of AVGAS 100LL? Less than 2 % and declining every year. I am
afraid that there 'll be not enough "economical momentum" to continue
producing avgas 100LL.
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
> Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2011 10:23
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
>
> <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
>
> I think what everyone's worrying about is the eventual discontinuance
> of 100LL, not saving a few cents.
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Jan Mevis wrote:
>
> >
> > One thing is certain: Avgas 100LL is the same EVERYWHERE, always a
> warranted
> > quality and composition. I don't know if that is also true for mogas.
> > In practice, cargas is also often used in Europe, but there can be a
> > significant difference between different brands. Also you do not
> really know
> > what additives have been added.
> >
> > So if you don't use avgas, it'll always be a kind of a gamble.
> >
> > Is there a real money saving by burning cargas/mogas? I doubt it
> since
> > you'll spend the money saved on an earlier overhaul. I've seen Yaks
> > returning to base with an engine that did not run smooth. After
> checking it
> > all, finally the fuel (cargas) was drained, and avgas refilled. And
> the next
> > flight was without problems.
> >
> > Only my 2 cents,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ssssskippy
> >> Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2011 3:57
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> The best way:
> >>
> >> - Fill with 100LL one time per five full tank. So you drop some lead
> on
> >> the
> >> valves.
> >>
> >> - Use only unleaded 98, in fact no ethanol in it, you can verify it
> by
> >> using
> >> a glass tube with water.
> >>
> >> - Don't use winter mogas98 in summer, and no summer mogas98 in
> winter
> >> to
> >> avoid vapour lock.
> >>
> >> - Don't let a 100LL and mogas98 mix in the tanks for a long time
> (more
> >> than
> >> 1 month) to avoid crystals precipitation.
> >>
> >>
> >> My two cents
> >>
> >> Olivier
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jan Mevis
> >> Envoy : mercredi 1 juin 2011 15:18
> >> : yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Objet : RE: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
> >>
> <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >>
> >> If you can find and buy the tetra-ethyl lead. And add it correctly.
> >>
> >> Jan
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> >>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hammerhead
> >>> Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2011 1:10
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey guys
> >>>
> >>> 100LL vs 98UL + lead additive. There are so many views on this.
> What
> >> is
> >>> your knowledge?
> >>>
> >>> Engines requiring leaded gasoline usually take damage to the valve
> >>> seats if they are run on unleaded fuel. When it comes to mogas the
> >>> issue of ethanol being added to mogas often arises as it can cause
> >>> vapor lock on altitude.
> >>>
> >>> According to the gasoline company I have spoken to they do not add
> >> any
> >>> ethanol at all to their 98 octane mogas. It is, however, unleaded.
> >>> Well, lead additive can be purchased and added. So running an M14P
> on
> >>> 98UL + lead additive should not be a problem, right?
> >>>
> >>> Regards, Henrik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341704#341704
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| Subject: | Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
The good news is that a new General aviation fuel Will be dispatch on the GA field
in the two or free next years.
It's right that avgas is a low needed fuel but a great value for the petroleum
firmes!!!!
The bad news is that this fuel will stay very expensive:-(
If you are using mogas98 without alcohol.... You have to enjoy for the last moments
because this mogas will disapear In the five next years too....
Olivier
Le 2 juin 2011 09:36, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> a crit :
>
> Indeed that IS the problem and by consequence, some nice oldtimer planes
> won't fly anymore.
>
> Our authorities decided that AVGAS 100LL will be ruled out (in Europe by
> 2017). It's not certain yet how they'll do it in practice. Probably by
> starting taxation to "virtually unpayable".
>
> Then there's not enough demand anymore, so the few remaining oil refineries
> that still produce AVGAS 100LL will switch their production lines to other
> fuels. And the only factory in the world that still produces TEL, will also
> start making something else.
>
> Also: most military and commercial planes do not need avgas, so what is the
> consumption of AVGAS 100LL? Less than 2 % and declining every year. I am
> afraid that there 'll be not enough "economical momentum" to continue
> producing avgas 100LL.
>
>
> Jan
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
>> Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2011 10:23
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
>>
>> <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
>>
>> I think what everyone's worrying about is the eventual discontinuance
>> of 100LL, not saving a few cents.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Jan Mevis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> One thing is certain: Avgas 100LL is the same EVERYWHERE, always a
>> warranted
>>> quality and composition. I don't know if that is also true for mogas.
>>> In practice, cargas is also often used in Europe, but there can be a
>>> significant difference between different brands. Also you do not
>> really know
>>> what additives have been added.
>>>
>>> So if you don't use avgas, it'll always be a kind of a gamble.
>>>
>>> Is there a real money saving by burning cargas/mogas? I doubt it
>> since
>>> you'll spend the money saved on an earlier overhaul. I've seen Yaks
>>> returning to base with an engine that did not run smooth. After
>> checking it
>>> all, finally the fuel (cargas) was drained, and avgas refilled. And
>> the next
>>> flight was without problems.
>>>
>>> Only my 2 cents,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
>>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ssssskippy
>>>> Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2011 3:57
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> The best way:
>>>>
>>>> - Fill with 100LL one time per five full tank. So you drop some lead
>> on
>>>> the
>>>> valves.
>>>>
>>>> - Use only unleaded 98, in fact no ethanol in it, you can verify it
>> by
>>>> using
>>>> a glass tube with water.
>>>>
>>>> - Don't use winter mogas98 in summer, and no summer mogas98 in
>> winter
>>>> to
>>>> avoid vapour lock.
>>>>
>>>> - Don't let a 100LL and mogas98 mix in the tanks for a long time
>> (more
>>>> than
>>>> 1 month) to avoid crystals precipitation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My two cents
>>>>
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jan Mevis
>>>> Envoy : mercredi 1 juin 2011 15:18
>>>> : yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Objet : RE: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
>>>>
>> <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>
>>>> If you can find and buy the tetra-ethyl lead. And add it correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
>>>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hammerhead
>>>>> Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2011 1:10
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys
>>>>>
>>>>> 100LL vs 98UL + lead additive. There are so many views on this.
>> What
>>>> is
>>>>> your knowledge?
>>>>>
>>>>> Engines requiring leaded gasoline usually take damage to the valve
>>>>> seats if they are run on unleaded fuel. When it comes to mogas the
>>>>> issue of ethanol being added to mogas often arises as it can cause
>>>>> vapor lock on altitude.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the gasoline company I have spoken to they do not add
>>>> any
>>>>> ethanol at all to their 98 octane mogas. It is, however, unleaded.
>>>>> Well, lead additive can be purchased and added. So running an M14P
>> on
>>>>> 98UL + lead additive should not be a problem, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Henrik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341704#341704
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 285 hp engine |
How much for the engine and do you have the engine logs?
In a message dated 6/1/2011 7:29:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lcdzkj@live.cn writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Nanchang CJ6" <lcdzkj@live.cn>
[quote="BKENNAMORE(at)aol.com"]Anyone have a good 285 hp CJ engine for
sale? contact me off list.BJ Kennamore
> [b]
We have 285 hp HS-6A engine in after first time overhauled condition, that
is, TSO is 0 time.
Sarah
www.difane.cn
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341800#341800
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| Subject: | Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
Depending on system components, aren't there other issues?
I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran
fine and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks
had been sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were
fabricated out of materials not so impervious to additives in the auto
fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced some other components, swapped
back to avgas, and had no further problems.
Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I
haven't looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items such
as bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would pay
to be sure they are impervious auto fuel use.
At least, I know I'll think of more than just engine performance and
costs. Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it's
available.
FWIW
Joe
CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 original interior colors |
*Depending on when the aircraft was manufactured and/or overhauled, the
interior color can be one of several.
There are several shades of grey to greyish green and then from greyish
green to greenish blue.
*
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 14:05, Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>wrote:
>
> Grey
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jeff Hove wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > What color are original Yak-52 cockpit interior side-panels? Are they
> light grey or that aqua-blue color that MiGs used?
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Jeff Hove
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Clifford Coy
Border Air Ltd.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: Cliff.Coy
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 285 hp engine |
[quote="KingCJ6(at)aol.com"]How much for the engine and do you have the engine
logs?
Unit price is USD 24616 for first time overhauled condition based on FOB Xi'an
with log books.
Sarah
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| Subject: | New Whirl Wind Aviation M-14P Composite 3-Blade Propeller - |
For Etienne from Belgium
Hello Etienne,
I accidentally deleted your e-mail from earlier today, so I hope you are
monitoring the List...
I would welcome the opportunity of meeting you and flying with in my CJ6 and
the new composite Whirlwind propeller when you are in Miami next.
Weekends are better but I will make arrangements to fly with you whenever
you are in town.
Best regards,
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
305.215.5599 Cell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cd001633
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:42 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Whirl Wind Aviation M-14P Composite 3-Blade
Propeller
I can't wait to get my new all composite "3 blader'" in roughly three
weeks!! That would make me third man to have one and first to fly it on a
CJ6!!
The new all composite Whirlwind Propeller 3 blader looks awesome! Not only
it looks great but as I am told, it was designed to be superior to the 3
blade wood/composite combo prop that it is replacing!
I should find out real quick if this is the case right on my first flight
with the new propeller - I say this so confidently simply because I have
been flying behind the older Whirlwind wood/composite 3 blader for over 700
hours.! These 700 hours were spent mostly flying formation and light to
moderate acrobatics.
As you all know, the only substitute to power is More Power(!) I love what
the M-14P engine with a two blade prop does to the CJ6 .and then you add a 3
blade Whirlwind and you have an M-14 powered CJ6 on steroids. It should be
illegal to have this much fun... I am pretty sure that Pete Taylor will
report similar results with this prop on his Yak-52.
I guess that flying the new composite 3 blader will make me a "Second
Generation Whirlwinder".
By the way, I have also been very impressed with the folks at both Whirlwind
Propellers in CA and at their sister company, Whirlwind Aviation in OH -
their customer service is great and they design and make superior propellers
in looks, quality and performance!
One more (very important) thing or our U.S folks - All Whirlwind Propellers
are "Born in The USA"! I think that especially in the present world
situation as well as our own (U.S) economy, "Made in America" hopefully
means a lot more. If you are in the market for a superb, latest technology
three bladed propeller for your CJ/Yak/Pitts 12 and any other M-14P powered
aircraft -consider supporting our home based company and let's keep the jobs
here, at home. I trust that our good friends outside the U.S. who are
considering a new 3 blades propeller will be equally impressed flight
testing one - all are invited to join me for a ride in Miami...!
I will report back on my actual experience after flying the new propeller
for a few hours -can't wait, really!
Do I 'sound' excited?? You bet I am!!
That's it, I am done for tonight, off my soap box. :)
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
305.25.5599 cell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WhirlWind
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New Whirl Wind Aviation M-14P Composite 3-Blade Propeller
--> <wwpc@whirlwindpropellers.com>
Whirl Wind Aviation is now taking orders for the 3-Blade all composite
constant speed propeller for the M-14P power aircraft. This is an 260cm
diameter full aerobatic (counter-weighted) constant speed propeller.
Here are some pictures from final flight testing on Pete Taylor's Yak 52.
This propeller is the evolution of the popular 3-Blade composite-wood core
constant speed propeller previously sold by Whirl Wind.
(Also Check Out Kendall Simpson's Pitts Model 12 flying the new 3-Blade all
composite propeller www.acronut.com)
Call Whirl Wind Aviation in Ohio for pricing and availability. 440-275-1540
www.whirlwindaviation.com
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