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1. 12:12 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (Jan Mevis)
2. 12:21 AM - Props (Richard Goode)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (bill wade)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: CJ 285 hp engine (dabear)
6. 12:14 PM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (Eric Wobschall)
7. 01:39 PM - CJ (Kelley Monroe)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: CJ 285 hp engine (keithmckinley)
9. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: CJ 285 hp engine (dabear)
10. 06:21 PM - Re: CJ 285 hp engine (keithmckinley)
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| Subject: | M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
That is absolutely correct.
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Colquitt
Sent: donderdag 2 juni 2011 6:05
Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
Depending on system components, aren't there other issues?
I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran fine
and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks had been
sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were fabricated out of
materials not so impervious to additives in the auto fuel. I resealed the
tanks and replaced some other components, swapped back to avgas, and had no
further problems.
Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I
haven't looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items such as
bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would pay to be
sure they are impervious auto fuel use.
At least, I know I'll think of more than just engine performance and costs.
Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it's available.
FWIW
Joe
CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar
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I look forward to a scientific;back-to-back;properly recorded test of the
Whirlwind 3-blade prop against the other props.
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
There was an old mechanic at the airport that shared with me a little exper
iment =0Awith two styrofoam cup's he put 100LL in one and car gas in the ot
her, the car =0Agas ate through that cup in less than a minute 100LL will s
tay there till it =0Aevaporates. Try it there is a difference it is an eye
opener=0ABill Wade=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: J
oseph Colquitt <jcolquit@law.ua.edu>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T
hu, June 2, 2011 12:05:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL
vs Mogas 98UL + lead=0A=0A=0ADepending on system components, aren=99t
there other issues? =0A=C2-=0AI once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A ex
perimental. The engine ran fine and I =0Awas saving cash until I started ge
tting leaks. My metal tanks had been sloshed =0Ato prevent leaks; hoses, o-
rings and seals were fabricated out of materials not =0Aso impervious to ad
ditives in the auto fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced =0Asome other c
omponents, swapped back to avgas, and had no further problems. =0A=0A=C2-
=0APerhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I ha
ven=99t =0Alooked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items
such as bladder =0Atanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it woul
d pay to be sure they are =0Aimpervious auto fuel use.=0A=C2-=0AAt least,
I know I=99ll think of more than just engine performance and costs.
=0AAvgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it=99s availabl
e.=0A=C2-=0AFWIW=0A=C2-=0AJoe=0A=C2-=0ACJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar=0A _
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| Subject: | Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
Lets face it, the EPA and their elk (tree huggers, etc) will continue to
put humanity at peril.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 6/3/2011 8:42:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bwade154@yahoo.com writes:
There was an old mechanic at the airport that shared with me a little
experiment with two styrofoam cup's he put 100LL in one and car gas in the
other, the car gas ate through that cup in less than a minute 100LL will
stay
there till it evaporates. Try it there is a difference it is an eye opene
r
Bill Wade
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From: Joseph Colquitt <jcolquit@law.ua.edu>
Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:05:07 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
Depending on system components, aren=99t there other issues?
I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran fine
and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks had
been sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were fabricated
out of
materials not so impervious to additives in the auto fuel. I resealed the
tanks and replaced some other components, swapped back to avgas, and had
no
further problems.
Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I hav
en
=99t looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items suc
h as
bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would pay to
be sure
they are impervious auto fuel use.
At least, I know I=99ll think of more than just engine performance
and
costs. Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it=99s av
ailable.
FWIW
Joe
CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 285 hp engine |
Wow, for a couple extra thousand you could get a M14P. No offense
intended.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nanchang CJ6
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine
[quote="KingCJ6(at)aol.com"]How much for the engine and do you have the
engine logs?
Unit price is USD 24616 for first time overhauled condition based on FOB
Xi'an with log books.
Sarah
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| Subject: | Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead |
That does it! I'm removing all of the styrofoam components from my
plane!
J/K Bill.
On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:37 AM, bill wade wrote:
> There was an old mechanic at the airport that shared with me a little
experiment with two styrofoam cup's he put 100LL in one and car gas in
the other, the car gas ate through that cup in less than a minute 100LL
will stay there till it evaporates. Try it there is a difference it is
an eye opener
> Bill Wade
>
> From: Joseph Colquitt <jcolquit@law.ua.edu>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:05:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead
>
> Depending on system components, aren=92t there other issues?
>
> I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran
fine and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks
had been sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were
fabricated out of materials not so impervious to additives in the auto
fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced some other components, swapped
back to avgas, and had no further problems.
>
> Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I
haven=92t looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items
such as bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would
pay to be sure they are impervious auto fuel use.
>
> At least, I know I=92ll think of more than just engine performance and
costs. Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it=92s
available.
>
> FWIW
>
> Joe
>
> CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar
>
>
>
>
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I am look to buy for another CJ project flying or not. Please contact
me off list. Thanks Kelley Monroe kelmonroe@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 285 hp engine |
Very true Bear, but add on exhaust, gill shutters (maybe), prop, engine mount and
misc electrics............and yes I do have an M-14 sitting as a spare! Anyone
got any gill shutters?
Also, Housai logs from China, real deal, I'd be skeptical. Just me.
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 285 hp engine |
Oh trust me, I know the cost to upgrade to the M14P. :-)
However, if the delta is really only Exhaust (1.8-2k), Gill shutters
(1.2-1.5k), Prop (4k-15k), and some misc. then the upgrade becomes "more"
reasonable. If the delta includes 10k for the engine and the rest, then it
is "less" reasonable. :-)
No offense to anyone on the list. I can see a Housai (new) being 18k, or
1st OH being 12-14k. But if I'm paying over 20k I'd go with the M14P.
MNSHO (my not so humble opinion)
Still very glad I upgraded, and feel that way every flight.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine
Very true Bear, but add on exhaust, gill shutters (maybe), prop, engine
mount and misc electrics............and yes I do have an M-14 sitting as a
spare! Anyone got any gill shutters?
Also, Housai logs from China, real deal, I'd be skeptical. Just me.
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: CJ 285 hp engine |
If I could get a new Housai tomorrow for 18K I'd cash in my 401K and buy as many
as I could!!
I think the bigger issue is (and part of the reason I got mine) is the fact that
there is a least one company and maybe two that are in place to do a full overhaul
of the M-14 here in the US.
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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