---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/03/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (Jan Mevis) 2. 12:21 AM - Props (Richard Goode) 3. 05:42 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (bill wade) 4. 06:01 AM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (cjpilot710@aol.com) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: CJ 285 hp engine (dabear) 6. 12:14 PM - Re: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead (Eric Wobschall) 7. 01:39 PM - CJ (Kelley Monroe) 8. 03:39 PM - Re: CJ 285 hp engine (keithmckinley) 9. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: CJ 285 hp engine (dabear) 10. 06:21 PM - Re: CJ 285 hp engine (keithmckinley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:53 AM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead That is absolutely correct. Jan From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Colquitt Sent: donderdag 2 juni 2011 6:05 Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead Depending on system components, aren't there other issues? I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran fine and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks had been sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were fabricated out of materials not so impervious to additives in the auto fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced some other components, swapped back to avgas, and had no further problems. Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I haven't looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items such as bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would pay to be sure they are impervious auto fuel use. At least, I know I'll think of more than just engine performance and costs. Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it's available. FWIW Joe CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:44 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Props I look forward to a scientific;back-to-back;properly recorded test of the Whirlwind 3-blade prop against the other props. Richard Goode Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:43 AM PST US From: bill wade Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead There was an old mechanic at the airport that shared with me a little exper iment =0Awith two styrofoam cup's he put 100LL in one and car gas in the ot her, the car =0Agas ate through that cup in less than a minute 100LL will s tay there till it =0Aevaporates. Try it there is a difference it is an eye opener=0ABill Wade=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: J oseph Colquitt =0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T hu, June 2, 2011 12:05:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead=0A=0A=0ADepending on system components, aren=99t there other issues? =0A=C2-=0AI once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A ex perimental. The engine ran fine and I =0Awas saving cash until I started ge tting leaks. My metal tanks had been sloshed =0Ato prevent leaks; hoses, o- rings and seals were fabricated out of materials not =0Aso impervious to ad ditives in the auto fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced =0Asome other c omponents, swapped back to avgas, and had no further problems. =0A=0A=C2- =0APerhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I ha ven=99t =0Alooked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items such as bladder =0Atanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it woul d pay to be sure they are =0Aimpervious auto fuel use.=0A=C2-=0AAt least, I know I=99ll think of more than just engine performance and costs. =0AAvgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it=99s availabl e.=0A=C2-=0AFWIW=0A=C2-=0AJoe=0A=C2-=0ACJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar=0A _ -======================== ================= =0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:11 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead Lets face it, the EPA and their elk (tree huggers, etc) will continue to put humanity at peril. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 6/3/2011 8:42:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bwade154@yahoo.com writes: There was an old mechanic at the airport that shared with me a little experiment with two styrofoam cup's he put 100LL in one and car gas in the other, the car gas ate through that cup in less than a minute 100LL will stay there till it evaporates. Try it there is a difference it is an eye opene r Bill Wade ____________________________________ From: Joseph Colquitt Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:05:07 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead Depending on system components, aren=99t there other issues? I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran fine and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks had been sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were fabricated out of materials not so impervious to additives in the auto fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced some other components, swapped back to avgas, and had no further problems. Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I hav en =99t looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items suc h as bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would pay to be sure they are impervious auto fuel use. At least, I know I=99ll think of more than just engine performance and costs. Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it=99s av ailable. FWIW Joe CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:48 AM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine Wow, for a couple extra thousand you could get a M14P. No offense intended. Bear -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nanchang CJ6 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:22 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine [quote="KingCJ6(at)aol.com"]How much for the engine and do you have the engine logs? Unit price is USD 24616 for first time overhauled condition based on FOB Xi'an with log books. Sarah -------- Sarah's E-mail:lcdzkj@live.cn Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341899#341899 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:25 PM PST US From: Eric Wobschall Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead That does it! I'm removing all of the styrofoam components from my plane! J/K Bill. On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:37 AM, bill wade wrote: > There was an old mechanic at the airport that shared with me a little experiment with two styrofoam cup's he put 100LL in one and car gas in the other, the car gas ate through that cup in less than a minute 100LL will stay there till it evaporates. Try it there is a difference it is an eye opener > Bill Wade > > From: Joseph Colquitt > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:05:07 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P and Avgas 100LL vs Mogas 98UL + lead > > Depending on system components, aren=92t there other issues? > > I once swapped to auto fuel in my RV-3A experimental. The engine ran fine and I was saving cash until I started getting leaks. My metal tanks had been sloshed to prevent leaks; hoses, o-rings and seals were fabricated out of materials not so impervious to additives in the auto fuel. I resealed the tanks and replaced some other components, swapped back to avgas, and had no further problems. > > Perhaps YAK and CJ systems are impervious to auto fuel additives -- I haven=92t looked or asked -- but if one has added after-market items such as bladder tanks, float valves, hoses, o-rings, and seals, it would pay to be sure they are impervious auto fuel use. > > At least, I know I=92ll think of more than just engine performance and costs. Avgas might prove cheaper, at least for as long as it=92s available. > > FWIW > > Joe > > CJ6-A N420RB / GlaStar > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:16 PM PST US From: "Kelley Monroe" Subject: Yak-List: CJ I am look to buy for another CJ project flying or not. Please contact me off list. Thanks Kelley Monroe kelmonroe@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:52 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine From: "keithmckinley" Very true Bear, but add on exhaust, gill shutters (maybe), prop, engine mount and misc electrics............and yes I do have an M-14 sitting as a spare! Anyone got any gill shutters? Also, Housai logs from China, real deal, I'd be skeptical. Just me. -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341978#341978 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:22 PM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine Oh trust me, I know the cost to upgrade to the M14P. :-) However, if the delta is really only Exhaust (1.8-2k), Gill shutters (1.2-1.5k), Prop (4k-15k), and some misc. then the upgrade becomes "more" reasonable. If the delta includes 10k for the engine and the rest, then it is "less" reasonable. :-) No offense to anyone on the list. I can see a Housai (new) being 18k, or 1st OH being 12-14k. But if I'm paying over 20k I'd go with the M14P. MNSHO (my not so humble opinion) Still very glad I upgraded, and feel that way every flight. Bear -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:35 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine Very true Bear, but add on exhaust, gill shutters (maybe), prop, engine mount and misc electrics............and yes I do have an M-14 sitting as a spare! Anyone got any gill shutters? Also, Housai logs from China, real deal, I'd be skeptical. Just me. -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341978#341978 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:04 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285 hp engine From: "keithmckinley" If I could get a new Housai tomorrow for 18K I'd cash in my 401K and buy as many as I could!! I think the bigger issue is (and part of the reason I got mine) is the fact that there is a least one company and maybe two that are in place to do a full overhaul of the M-14 here in the US. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341994#341994 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.