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1. 04:21 AM - Re: Project for sale (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 04:35 AM - Re: Seeking cores ()
3. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (George Coy)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Project for sale (Brian Lloyd)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (Roger Kemp M.D.)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (T A LEWIS)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Detonation (tjyak50)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (Roger Kemp M.D.)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (Roger Kemp M.D.)
10. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Detonation (Cliff Coy)
12. 10:04 AM - B17 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
13. 11:01 AM - Re: B17 (dabear)
14. 11:35 AM - Re: B17 (dabear)
15. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Detonation (Brian Lloyd)
16. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Detonation (Roger Kemp M.D.)
17. 06:40 PM - Re: Project for sale ()
18. 06:43 PM - Re: YAK LIST ISSUES (Bill Geipel)
19. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Detonation (Brian Lloyd)
20. 07:52 PM - Re: Project for sale (dabear)
21. 07:53 PM - Re: Project for sale (Brian Lloyd)
22. 07:56 PM - Re: YAK LIST ISSUES (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Nice to see you back on the List Brian. I'm sure I speak for many of
us: I found your contributions quite valuable and I hope you will stay
around.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 6/16/2011 12:55 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> It has been quite some time since I have been on this list. I am
> finally giving up on getting my project done and would like to sell it.
>
> The airframe is a 1967 CJ6A. All airframe work is done. Any damaged
> skins have been replaced. Doug Sapp's center-wing-section aux fuel
> tanks are installed giving an additional 36 gallons of fuel. The
> pneumatic system is mostly done. All the actuators are rebuilt. The
> chinese electrical system has been removed and disposed of. I still
> have most of the instruments and electrical components but never
> planned to put them back in the aircraft.
>
> So the aircraft needs:
>
> * electrical system
> * instruments
> * avionics
> * glass
> * paint
> * control surface recovering
>
> So this is a fantastic starting point for someone wanting to build a
> better-than-average CJ6A. I originally purchased the aircraft from Jim
> Selby for $47,000 in 1999 or 2000. It was one of the first batch he
> brought in. I have substantial work and cost into it so far. I would
> like to get $35,000 for it but will consider all offers.
>
> I also have a Huosai engine and prop that belong to Dennis Nickson.
> Dennis would like $7500 for the engine and $1250 for the prop. There
> is also a set of Ray Allen servos for three-axis electric trim. I
> would like to get $600 for the servos and associated hardware.
>
> The fuselage is in the workshop of Randy Thorne in Ione, CA. The wings
> and most of the smaller components are in my hangar in Cameron Park,
> CA. You can reach me at the numbers below. (I am not currently in
> Dominica so don't use that number please.)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com <mailto:brian@lloyd.com>
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.931.492.6776 (USA)
> (+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Seeking cores |
Joe,
I need a front inverter.
Steve Bill Hanshew
---- Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Jill
>
> I have the basic engine parts some cyl missing
> Includes generator, voltage regulator,but I want to keep compressor,start valve,carb,fuel
pump, oil pump and mags for as long as I have the 18T, new accessory
section.
> Eng had 2 prop stries with wood prop, but was changed after starting fire burned
hoses and wiring.
> worth anything?
>
> Also have all the inverters and associated wiring.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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I am not trying to throw cold water on the automotive spark plug
conversions, but perhaps there is a reason that Aircraft spark plugs have
the ground electrode beside the center electrode instead of on top of it.
The aircraft plug ground electrodes are usually more massive or made of
expensive metals that have high temperature capabilities.
There is also the question of quality control. I am quite sure
that the aircraft spark plugs have a higher standard of quality control and
the designs have been proven to different standards.
Maybe you got a bad batch of plugs.
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-4465 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyafct.com/
SKYPE george.coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:45 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
There is about a mile of clearance from the top of the piston to the plug in
those hemi-heads.
Right. Detonation will not move the electrodes. Only impact will do that.
The visibile sign of detonation is having the surface of the piston wiped
clean of all deposits. If the crown of the piston is clean, bright, and
shiny, you have detonation. Severe detonation will melt a hole in the piston
and may melt plug electrodes.
The pictures of the plugs are consistent with a plug that has been dropped
on its electrode.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:18 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Nice to see you back on the List Brian. I'm sure I speak for many of us:
> I found your contributions quite valuable and I hope you will stay around.
>
Thanks Dennis. It is a pretty busy time in my life. I am changing directions
(again) and starting a new venture so I need money more than I need a CJ
project. Of course, if I am successful, I will [hopefully] be able to build
another CJ. OTOH, my interests run more to an SF-260 for yank-'n-bank and an
Aerostar for getting places. :-)
BTW, I am selling my '65 Aztec as well. It is well equipped with good but
one generation back avionics. It has less than mid-time engines and both
props are low time. (Actually, it is in annual right now waiting for the
right prop to be overhauled.)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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Twice? Different Lot Numbers?
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Coy
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
I am not trying to throw cold water on the automotive spark plug
conversions, but perhaps there is a reason that Aircraft spark plugs have
the ground electrode beside the center electrode instead of on top of it.
The aircraft plug ground electrodes are usually more massive or made of
expensive metals that have high temperature capabilities.
There is also the question of quality control. I am quite sure
that the aircraft spark plugs have a higher standard of quality control and
the designs have been proven to different standards.
Maybe you got a bad batch of plugs.
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-4465 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyafct.com/
SKYPE george.coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:45 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
There is about a mile of clearance from the top of the piston to the plug in
those hemi-heads.
Right. Detonation will not move the electrodes. Only impact will do that.
The visibile sign of detonation is having the surface of the piston wiped
clean of all deposits. If the crown of the piston is clean, bright, and
shiny, you have detonation. Severe detonation will melt a hole in the piston
and may melt plug electrodes.
The pictures of the plugs are consistent with a plug that has been dropped
on its electrode.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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I think these plugs are used in racing motorcycles .=0AI bought my last-
set at a bike shop . I could be wrong .=0ATerry=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>=0ATo:
yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, June 16, 2011 10:13:29 AM=0ASubject: R
E: Yak-List: Re: Detonation=0A=0A=0ATwice? Different Lot Numbers?=0ADoc=0AF
rom:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of George Coy=0ASent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:28 A
M=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Detonation=0A
-=0AI am not trying to throw cold water on the automotive spark plug conv
ersions, =0Abut perhaps there is a reason that Aircraft spark plugs have th
e ground =0Aelectrode beside the center electrode instead -of on top of i
t. The aircraft =0Aplug ground electrodes are usually more massive or made
of expensive metals that =0Ahave high temperature capabilities.=0A---
------ There is also the question of quality control. I am quit
e sure that =0Athe aircraft spark plugs have a higher standard of quality c
ontrol and the =0Adesigns have been proven to different standards. =0A=0A
--------- Maybe you got a bad batch of plugs.=0A-=0AGeo
rge Coy=0ACAS Ltd.=0A714 Airport Rd.=0ASwanton VT 05488=0A802-868-5633 off
=0A802-363-5782 cell=0A802-868-4465 Fax=0Ageorge.coy@gmail.com=0Ahttp://coy
afct.com/=0ASKYPE george.coy=0A-=0AFrom:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.c
om =0A[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
=0ASent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:39 AM=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASub
ject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Detonation=0A-=0A-=0AOn Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:
45 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:=0A--> Yak-List message posted by
: "tjyak50" <tomjohnson@cox.net>=0A=0AThere is about a mile of clearance fr
om the top of the piston to the plug in =0Athose hemi-heads.=0A-=0ARight.
Detonation will not move the electrodes. Only impact will do that. The =0A
visibile sign of detonation is having the surface of the piston wiped clean
of =0Aall deposits. If the crown of the piston is clean, bright, and shiny
, you have =0Adetonation. Severe detonation will melt a hole in the piston
and may melt plug =0Aelectrodes.=0A-=0AThe pictures of the plugs are cons
istent with a plug that has been dropped on =0Aits electrode.=0A-=0A--
=0ABrian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL=0A3191 Western Dr.=0ACameron Park, CA 95682
=0Abrian@lloyd.com=0A+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)=0A+1.931.492.6776 (USA)=0A(
+1.931.4.WB6RQN)=0A -=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?
Yak-List=0A -=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics
.com/contribution=0A -=0A -=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Na
vigator?Yak-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/c
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These auto plugs run at Reno up to 140+" MAP safely.
Make sure your sound is on when you go to this website:
http://www.plugguy.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343185#343185
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George,
The reason I changed to auto plugs 5 years ago was misfiring that was traced
down to broken plug wires. The RU harnesses were cracking and worn out. The
IRAN did not apparently include a new wiring harness when I bought the A/C
because overlying harness definitely consistent of older wiring with a
rubber cracking under the shielding. Nuff Said.
Anyway this conversion was easier than the other options.
This engine was performing fine without even a hint of loss of power,
misfire, hesitation, or any other issues that would make me think I had a
problem. The only reason I did a compression test was because of an audible
exhaust leak when I pulled blades that developed over the last couple of
months. I repeat, the engine was running fine and would blow the doors off
any 52 or CJ even with two cylinders that turned out to have compressions in
the 30's. The only thing that has changed were then #1 and #3 cylinders.
These were complete cylinders shift with "stock off the shelf pistons". Then
as the old song goes, "we're off to the rodeo."
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Coy
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
I am not trying to throw cold water on the automotive spark plug
conversions, but perhaps there is a reason that Aircraft spark plugs have
the ground electrode beside the center electrode instead of on top of it.
The aircraft plug ground electrodes are usually more massive or made of
expensive metals that have high temperature capabilities.
There is also the question of quality control. I am quite sure
that the aircraft spark plugs have a higher standard of quality control and
the designs have been proven to different standards.
Maybe you got a bad batch of plugs.
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-4465 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyafct.com/
SKYPE george.coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:45 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
There is about a mile of clearance from the top of the piston to the plug in
those hemi-heads.
Right. Detonation will not move the electrodes. Only impact will do that.
The visibile sign of detonation is having the surface of the piston wiped
clean of all deposits. If the crown of the piston is clean, bright, and
shiny, you have detonation. Severe detonation will melt a hole in the piston
and may melt plug electrodes.
The pictures of the plugs are consistent with a plug that has been dropped
on its electrode.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Bryan,
I glad you can say that but unless someone F&^%#$ the airplane after I
personally gapped them, put them in and torqued them that was not the case.
They were not dropped. Especially two brand danged new sets after each
occurrence.
That would lead me back to the initial thoughts when I found the plug gaps
flattened on #1, #3, and #4. The second time around it was on #6. Maybe I
just need to call the FBI and let them investigate this as tampering with an
aircraft? What do ya think?
There plenty of drama going on around 08A these days with certain
politicians wanting to close the airport and I have been dead center in the
middle of the fight. Not because I wanted to be though.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:45 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
There is about a mile of clearance from the top of the piston to the plug in
those hemi-heads.
Right. Detonation will not move the electrodes. Only impact will do that.
The visibile sign of detonation is having the surface of the piston wiped
clean of all deposits. If the crown of the piston is clean, bright, and
shiny, you have detonation. Severe detonation will melt a hole in the piston
and may melt plug electrodes.
The pictures of the plugs are consistent with a plug that has been dropped
on its electrode.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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Yesterday in getting my approval from the FAA to take my Powerplant rating,
I brought up the subject about your detonation problem and the plugs.
He's very familiar with the M-14. He agree with me that you must likely have
an induction leak some where. As for the plugs being flat, since they are
automotive type, he said, he'd often seen that in auto engines that
detonation problems. The "hook over design" lends it self to bending because
of
the heat and pressure wave of the flame front. Aviation type plugs are of
course designed with "dual poles" that are structured so as not to bend,
thus during detonation they don't close up, - - something we lose when
going to auto plugs.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 6/16/2011 11:54:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Bryan,
I glad you can say that but unless someone F&^%#$ the airplane after I
personally gapped them, put them in and torqued them that was not the case.
They were not dropped. Especially two brand danged new sets after each
occurrence.
That would lead me back to the initial thoughts when I found the plug gaps
flattened on #1, #3, and #4. The second time around it was on #6. Maybe I
just need to call the FBI and let them investigate this as tampering with
an aircraft? What do ya think?
There plenty of drama going on around 08A these days with certain
politicians wanting to close the airport and I have been dead center in the middle
of the fight. Not because I wanted to be though.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Detonation
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:45 AM, tjyak50 <_tomjohnson@cox.net_
(mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net) > wrote:
(mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net) >
There is about a mile of clearance from the top of the piston to the plug
in those hemi-heads.
Right. Detonation will not move the electrodes. Only impact will do that.
The visibile sign of detonation is having the surface of the piston wiped
clean of all deposits. If the crown of the piston is clean, bright, and
shiny, you have detonation. Severe detonation will melt a hole in the piston
and may melt plug electrodes.
The pictures of the plugs are consistent with a plug that has been dropped
on its electrode.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
_brian@lloyd.com_ (mailto:brian@lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
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*This is one of those threads that I watch and think "Do I *really* want to
get involved here?" and 90% of the answer is :
No. No I do not. I'm not an expert on spark plugs and I've never
encountered this problem before.
NGK has a tech support number: 1-877-473-6767 prompt #2 for assistance.
I think as long as you don't spill the beans that you're working on an
aircraft engine they'll give you some good advice.
Secondly, for all other people who are having ignition issues related to the
wiring:
I have replacement *silicone* wire which directly replaces the original
Russian wire.
It doesn't break down but it *is* susceptible to nicks and cuts (just like
any other wire)
It's $3/foot.
Here are the instructions:
Loosen up the ignition harness nuts to release the rubber packings.
Twist the new wire (greased with Dow Corning #4) to the old wire at the mag
and pull it through to the elbow.
Attach the new wire to the spring and cigarette and pull back towards the
mag to snug everything up.
Cut to length at the mag and insert the set screw.
Verify Continuity to the lead end.
Secure the packing nuts.
Repeat.
I apologize for not being helpful concerning your issue, but I am trying to
offer other options.
Just sayin.
Cliff
*
--
Clifford Coy
Border Air Ltd.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: Cliff.Coy
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"For want of a nail, a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe, a horse was lost,
for want of a horse, a battle was lost, for loss of a battle a nation was
lost" 17th centaury Unk.
For want of a couple of fire extinguishers - - - -
See "_http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.html_
(http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.html) " Looking at the picture, it seem like the fire
might have been "fight-able" at one point. Note she was destroy by fire - -
not the landing.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Jim,
We had a golfer who had a heart attack at a local course a few years back
(early 90s). The responding ambulance staff were not golfers. They drove
out and onto the 14th green to get to the patient. While they were loading
the patient into the ambulance they noticed they were down to the axels of
the back wheels. They called for a second ambulance and the patient was
transported to the hospital and lived (after by-pass).
They had to drag the ambulance off the green to get it to solid ground. 28
feet long "ruts" for the 4 back wheels. I wish I still had that picture.
As to the B-17, I wish they responding companies had responded with their
brush fire units (lighter vehicles). Sorry to see it go because of being
unable to reach it with fire fighting equipment. The pilots did a great
job.
Bear
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: B17
"For want of a nail, a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe, a horse was lost,
for want of a horse, a battle was lost, for loss of a battle a nation was
lost" 17th centaury Unk.
For want of a couple of fire extinguishers - - - -
See "http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.html" Looking at the picture,
it seem like the fire might have been "fight-able" at one point. Note she
was destroy by fire - - not the landing.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Opps that was meant for a direct email to Jim.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B17
Jim,
We had a golfer who had a heart attack at a local course a few years back
(early 90s). The responding ambulance staff were not golfers. They drove
out and onto the 14th green to get to the patient. While they were loading
the patient into the ambulance they noticed they were down to the axels of
the back wheels. They called for a second ambulance and the patient was
transported to the hospital and lived (after by-pass).
They had to drag the ambulance off the green to get it to solid ground. 28
feet long "ruts" for the 4 back wheels. I wish I still had that picture.
As to the B-17, I wish they responding companies had responded with their
brush fire units (lighter vehicles). Sorry to see it go because of being
unable to reach it with fire fighting equipment. The pilots did a great
job.
Bear
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: B17
"For want of a nail, a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe, a horse was lost,
for want of a horse, a battle was lost, for loss of a battle a nation was
lost" 17th centaury Unk.
For want of a couple of fire extinguishers - - - -
See "http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.html" Looking at the picture,
it seem like the fire might have been "fight-able" at one point. Note she
was destroy by fire - - not the landing.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>wrote:
> Bryan,
>
> I glad you can say that but unless someone F&^%#$ the airplane after I
> personally gapped them, put them in and torqued them that was not the case.
> They were not dropped. Especially two brand danged new sets after each
> occurrence.
>
If someone had FOD'ed your intake you would see where things were banging
around inside the cylinder. (Have you looked inside the cylinder?) As I
said, detonation would show as wiping all the deposits clean from inside the
engine, not changed plug gaps. So if the insides of your cylinders look
normal and your plug gaps have changed, someone or something has changed
them. It ain't detonation.
Also neither the M14P nor the Huosai have high enough compression to trigger
detonation under any set of conditions even remotely resembling normal when
running 100LL. The detonation margin is pretty big in that case.
> That would lead me back to the initial thoughts when I found the plug gaps
> flattened on #1, #3, and #4. The second time around it was on #6. Maybe I
> just need to call the FBI and let them investigate this as tampering with an
> aircraft? What do ya think?
>
I think that is way more likely than detonation.
> There plenty of drama going on around 08A these days with certain
> politicians wanting to close the airport and I have been dead center in the
> middle of the fight. Not because I wanted to be though.
>
Ah, the life of a lightning rod. ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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The inside of the cylinders looked like ground glass or 20 grit sand paper. T
here was some pitting on what had been brand new chrome top pistons. When I p
ull the plugs again sometime next week I'll try to get pix off the bore scop
e. Did not buy the one that would do photos.
Need to read my earlier post on this saga.
What you don't see in the plug picture is what the element looks like on the
Surface under 10 power magnification. It looks like it got hit with with #8
bird shot. Mottled or copper kettle appearance would be another description
I don't think man's hands with a screw driver but or a wrench would make th
at appearance. Not unless they beat the element down with a meat tenderizer m
allet could it look that way.
Come to think of it, the inside of the #1 cylinder sleeve looked that way to
o. Instead of the expected smooth silver appearance it was speckled on the i
nside.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> Bryan,
>
> I glad you can say that but unless someone F&^%#$ the airplane after I per
sonally gapped them, put them in and torqued them that was not the case. Th
ey were not dropped. Especially two brand danged new sets after each occurre
nce.
>
>
> If someone had FOD'ed your intake you would see where things were banging a
round inside the cylinder. (Have you looked inside the cylinder?) As I said,
detonation would show as wiping all the deposits clean from inside the engi
ne, not changed plug gaps. So if the insides of your cylinders look normal a
nd your plug gaps have changed, someone or something has changed them. It ai
n't detonation.
>
> Also neither the M14P nor the Huosai have high enough compression to trigg
er detonation under any set of conditions even remotely resembling normal wh
en running 100LL. The detonation margin is pretty big in that case.
>
> That would lead me back to the initial thoughts when I found the plug gaps
flattened on #1, #3, and #4. The second time around it was on #6. Maybe I j
ust need to call the FBI and let them investigate this as tampering with an a
ircraft? What do ya think?
>
>
> I think that is way more likely than detonation.
>
> There plenty of drama going on around 08A these days with certain politici
ans wanting to close the airport and I have been dead center in the middle o
f the fight. Not because I wanted to be though.
>
>
> Ah, the life of a lightning rod. ;-)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.931.492.6776 (USA)
> (+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Brian,
Do you still have the forward inverter SBL-53? Checked with Joe, but didn't notice
his was an 18T for parts. My mistake. I'm looking.
Steve Bill Hanshew
---- Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
> It has been quite some time since I have been on this list. I am finally
> giving up on getting my project done and would like to sell it.
>
> The airframe is a 1967 CJ6A. All airframe work is done. Any damaged skins
> have been replaced. Doug Sapp's center-wing-section aux fuel tanks are
> installed giving an additional 36 gallons of fuel. The pneumatic system is
> mostly done. All the actuators are rebuilt. The chinese electrical system
> has been removed and disposed of. I still have most of the instruments and
> electrical components but never planned to put them back in the aircraft.
>
> So the aircraft needs:
>
> - electrical system
> - instruments
> - avionics
> - glass
> - paint
> - control surface recovering
>
> So this is a fantastic starting point for someone wanting to build a
> better-than-average CJ6A. I originally purchased the aircraft from Jim Selby
> for $47,000 in 1999 or 2000. It was one of the first batch he brought in. I
> have substantial work and cost into it so far. I would like to get $35,000
> for it but will consider all offers.
>
> I also have a Huosai engine and prop that belong to Dennis Nickson. Dennis
> would like $7500 for the engine and $1250 for the prop. There is also a set
> of Ray Allen servos for three-axis electric trim. I would like to get $600
> for the servos and associated hardware.
>
> The fuselage is in the workshop of Randy Thorne in Ione, CA. The wings and
> most of the smaller components are in my hangar in Cameron Park, CA. You can
> reach me at the numbers below. (I am not currently in Dominica so don't use
> that number please.)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.931.492.6776 (USA)
> (+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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Praise the Lord.
Bill
On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca> wrote:
>
> I second Michael's comments Mark!
> I wonder if Matt Dralle would have any means of identifiying this sick SOB.
>
> Best;
> Walt
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Beach" <mbeach@hartwigs.com.au>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: YAK LIST ISSUES
>
>
>>
>> Mark I hope you're not going to withdraw from the Yak list over this, It's a
>> pity that in today's world we have people that get some type of thrill in
>> causing grief to others.
>>
>> I believe that people that subscribe to the yak list would have read that
>> post and your reply and
>> Worked it out very quickly that it was someone with nothing better to do.
>>
>> Everyone should now ignore it and move on.
>>
>>
>> REGARDS
>>
>> MICHAEL BEACH
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2011 11:49 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: YAK LIST ISSUES
>>
>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> For whoever reads the YAK LIST.... I've enjoyed this list for a number
>> of years now and have gotten a lot out of it. During that time I have
>> had some heated arguments over various issues, and sometimes I have been
>> right, and sometimes I have been wrong. That said, I never thought I
>> made anyone angry enough to pull the kind of stunt that I just read.
>>
>> To that end, if anyone needs to speak with me concerning issues they
>> think I can help them with, please write from now on to:
>>
>> Markbitterlich@embarqmail.com
>>
>>
>> To those that don't have a lot of knowledge about how email works:
>> "Spoofing" a person's email address is fairly simple. It is also very
>> hard to defend against when using List Servers.
>>
>> SO! If you see any more slanderous comments coming from this email
>> address... please understand that they did not come from me, as I will
>> not be posting anything more to the YAK LIST for the foreseeable future.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>wrote:
> The inside of the cylinders looked like ground glass or 20 grit sand paper.
> There was some pitting on what had been brand new chrome top pistons. When I
> pull the plugs again sometime next week I'll try to get pix off the bore
> scope. Did not buy the one that would do photos.
> Need to read my earlier post on this saga.
> What you don't see in the plug picture is what the element looks like on
> the Surface under 10 power magnification. It looks like it got hit with with
> #8 bird shot. Mottled or copper kettle appearance would be another
> description I don't think man's hands with a screw driver but or a wrench
> would make that appearance. Not unless they beat the element down with a
> meat tenderizer mallet could it look that way.
> Come to think of it, the inside of the #1 cylinder sleeve looked that way
> too. Instead of the expected smooth silver appearance it was speckled on the
> inside.
>
Sounds like FOD that came through the induction system. Time to tear down
the engine.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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| Subject: | Project for sale |
I have it I believe. I took every last piece of Chinese electrical gear and wiring
out of my CJ when I upgraded the system to glass last January. What does
it look like?
Contact me off list.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dhanshew@cinci.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Project for sale
Brian,
Do you still have the forward inverter SBL-53? Checked with Joe, but didn't notice
his was an 18T for parts. My mistake. I'm looking.
Steve Bill Hanshew
---- Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
> It has been quite some time since I have been on this list. I am finally
> giving up on getting my project done and would like to sell it.
>
> The airframe is a 1967 CJ6A. All airframe work is done. Any damaged skins
> have been replaced. Doug Sapp's center-wing-section aux fuel tanks are
> installed giving an additional 36 gallons of fuel. The pneumatic system is
> mostly done. All the actuators are rebuilt. The chinese electrical system
> has been removed and disposed of. I still have most of the instruments and
> electrical components but never planned to put them back in the aircraft.
>
> So the aircraft needs:
>
> - electrical system
> - instruments
> - avionics
> - glass
> - paint
> - control surface recovering
>
> So this is a fantastic starting point for someone wanting to build a
> better-than-average CJ6A. I originally purchased the aircraft from Jim Selby
> for $47,000 in 1999 or 2000. It was one of the first batch he brought in. I
> have substantial work and cost into it so far. I would like to get $35,000
> for it but will consider all offers.
>
> I also have a Huosai engine and prop that belong to Dennis Nickson. Dennis
> would like $7500 for the engine and $1250 for the prop. There is also a set
> of Ray Allen servos for three-axis electric trim. I would like to get $600
> for the servos and associated hardware.
>
> The fuselage is in the workshop of Randy Thorne in Ione, CA. The wings and
> most of the smaller components are in my hangar in Cameron Park, CA. You can
> reach me at the numbers below. (I am not currently in Dominica so don't use
> that number please.)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.931.492.6776 (USA)
> (+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:38 PM, <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> Do you still have the forward inverter SBL-53? Checked with Joe, but didn't
> notice his was an 18T for parts. My mistake. I'm looking.
>
Probably. I have no idea if it works tho'.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> > I second Michael's comments Mark!
> > I wonder if Matt Dralle would have any means of identifiying this sick
> SOB.
>
Yes. Email messages get tagged with the IP address of where they came in
from. The only problem is, the email system keeps logs for only a finite
period of time. Get to matt right away and ask him to pull the mail logs for
the time in question. At that point he can grep the log for all other
occurrences of that IP address and see what email address was used in those
as well. If the person posts under his own address, it will show up.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.931.492.6776 (USA)
(+1.931.4.WB6RQN)
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