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1. 01:23 AM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (CD 2.0)
2. 04:16 AM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (RICHARD VOLKER)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: CJ-6A SS Exhaust (Harv)
4. 04:52 AM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 04:55 AM - Re: Doug and Kathleen Sapp (Harv)
6. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Roger Kemp M.D.)
7. 05:49 AM - Re: CJ-6A SS Exhaust (melrod971)
8. 05:49 AM - Re: Doug and Kathleen Sapp (melrod971)
9. 05:57 AM - Hydration.. (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
10. 11:21 AM - Doug & Kath (Paul Dumoret)
11. 11:59 AM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Brian Lloyd)
12. 12:22 PM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Yak Pilot)
13. 12:23 PM - Re: Hydration.. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
14. 02:44 PM - Re: CJ-6A SS Exhaust (Gill Gutierrez)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Brian Lloyd)
16. 03:15 PM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Dave Laird)
17. 04:04 PM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Brian Lloyd)
18. 06:08 PM - Doug and Kathlee - June 28 update (Hal)
19. 08:10 PM - Re: Doug and Kathlee - June 28 update (John Cox)
20. 08:13 PM - Wanted - MTV 9-260-29 (andrew richards)
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
The difference between water and gatorade is sugar, salt, and some flavoring. Gatorade
has electrolytes, which basically helps to replenish the body's salt that
it has lost during sweating at high temperatures. Most people do not need
electrolytes because they have a high intake of salt in their diet. Water is best,
unless your salt levels become to low usually for working out.
But on the other hand, as Doc pointed out "it takes 45 minutes to get absorbed
into your blood stream" Gatorade could be better than water for hydration, simply
because it is slightly salty and therefore makes the person thirsty and keeps
them drinking to replenish the electrolytes, salts and so on. Water does not
do this.
With water, once a person feels thirsty, it is too late, they are already dehydrated
but if you are able to drink often, I would recommend water, and lots of
it.
Carl
keithmckinley wrote:
> Doc,
>
> Is there any benefit or detriment drinking gatorade or something similar?
>
> K
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
Increased core body temperature decreases G tolerance also, with Nomex Fligh
t suits and helmets both subtracting from your normal tolerance. This is jus
t another reason to keep hydrating and hide out in the air conditioned fbo u
ntil your flight time .
Rick VOLKER
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:36 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wro
te:
> All,
>
> This is a topic I intended to present to the Red Star Rag for the summer e
dition but too many irons in the fire prevented getting the message out.
>
> Basically Summer is here. It is hot on the ramp and we are going to sweat.
Remember to hydrate early and hydrate often. Beer, whiskey, coffee, tea, an
d soft drinks containing caffeine is not hydrating. They are dehydrating.
>
> In the summer sun you lose approximately 1 pound of water an hour. When yo
u are walking across the ramp drinking a cool looking pint bottle of Desani o
r Avian for the first time of the day after being on the ramp for 3 hours yo
u are behind the power curve already. Your blood volume is down 48 oz.(1500 m
ls), Slugging down that 16 oz. (~500 mls) of bottle of water walking to the
jet for the first flight of the show you are behind. Now that bottle of wat
er you just sucked down is going to take almost 45 minutes to be absorbed by
your GI tract into your blood stream. The average 70 kg human has roughly 5
liters of blood volume (~ 160 oz.). So you are starting your routine in the
heat roughly 48 oz or ~ 1500 mls down. With the water volume down in the v
ascular system, the blood is thicker and therefore it flows slower therefor i
t is harder for your heart to pump out of the extremities up to the brain un
der G. If your starting blood volume is down 1500 ml, you are starting your r
outine with an approximate 30% to 40% lower G tolerance than a hydrated pilo
t.
>
> So if your basic hydrated G tolerance is 6 to 7 Gs without experiencing g
ray out, a 30 to 40% loss of G tolerance due to dehydration means you are r
oughly a 5 G man now. Basically dehydration robs you of 1.5 to 2 G=99
s after 3 to 4 hours in the sun on the ramp.
>
> Bottom line, stay in a cool shaded place as long as possible, drink water t
ill you slosh, and if you are peeing yellow with a slight headache you are D
RY (hypovolemic)and you are at risk for G lock.
>
> Doc
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6A SS Exhaust |
Jim,
I have an excellent contact in China who can provide this exhaust system in SS
which will come direct from PLAA parts warehouse.
Email me off list and I will pass on the details.
Rgs
Harv
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
Thanks Doc. Excellent advice, as always.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 6/27/2011 8:36 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
>
> All,
>
> This is a topic I intended to present to the Red Star Rag for the
> summer edition but too many irons in the fire prevented getting the
> message out.
>
> Basically Summer is here. It is hot on the ramp and we are going to
> sweat. Remember to hydrate early and hydrate often. Beer, whiskey,
> coffee, tea, and soft drinks containing caffeine is not hydrating.
> They are dehydrating.
>
> In the summer sun you lose approximately 1 pound of water an hour.
> When you are walking across the ramp drinking a cool looking pint
> bottle of Desani or Avian for the first time of the day after being on
> the ramp for 3 hours you are behind the power curve already. Your
> blood volume is down 48 oz.(1500 mls), Slugging down that 16 oz. (~500
> mls) of bottle of water walking to the jet for the first flight of the
> show you are behind. Now that bottle of water you just sucked down is
> going to take almost 45 minutes to be absorbed by your GI tract into
> your blood stream. The average 70 kg human has roughly 5 liters of
> blood volume (~ 160 oz.). So you are starting your routine in the heat
> roughly 48 oz or ~ 1500 mls down. With the water volume down in the
> vascular system, the blood is thicker and therefore it flows slower
> therefor it is harder for your heart to pump out of the extremities up
> to the brain under G. If your starting blood volume is down 1500 ml,
> you are starting your routine with an approximate 30% to 40% lower G
> tolerance than a hydrated pilot.
>
> So if your basic hydrated G tolerance is 6 to 7 Gs without
> experiencing gray out, a 30 to 40% loss of G tolerance due to
> dehydration means you are roughly a 5 G man now. Basically dehydration
> robs you of 1.5 to 2 Gs after 3 to 4 hours in the sun on the ramp.
>
> Bottom line, stay in a cool shaded place as long as possible, drink
> water till you slosh, and if you are peeing yellow with a slight
> headache you are DRY (hypovolemic)and you are at risk for G lock.
>
> Doc
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Doug and Kathleen Sapp |
Doug and Kathleen, my thoughts and best wishes are with you for the best possible
outcome and swift recovery.
Harv
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
Sugar equals osmotic diuretic. Water contains enough salt (sodium Chloride)
and KCl (potassium chloride) by the simple filtration process in the water
treatment facilities. If you want to flavor the water with something like
gatorade dilute it 50%.
Gatorade and such have been removed from the military flight lines for at
least 15 years if my memory serves correctly. The recommendation was if the
troops wanted to use for flavoring then it dilute it.
IF you ever get the chance sample your infant's pedialyte, it has any
flavor. The electrolyte concentration s is essentially physiologic in
concentration. Giving sugar containing fluids can result in greater
dehydration because of the osmotic diuretic effect of the sugar not allowing
water to be absorbed.
Sorry gotta go to the OR can't expound any farther.
Wow, did not mean to stir this topic up...sugars and osmosis.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CD 2.0
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: G Tolerance and Hydration
The difference between water and gatorade is sugar, salt, and some
flavoring. Gatorade has electrolytes, which basically helps to replenish the
body's salt that it has lost during sweating at high temperatures. Most
people do not need electrolytes because they have a high intake of salt in
their diet. Water is best, unless your salt levels become to low usually for
working out.
But on the other hand, as Doc pointed out "it takes 45 minutes to get
absorbed into your blood stream" Gatorade could be better than water for
hydration, simply because it is slightly salty and therefore makes the
person thirsty and keeps them drinking to replenish the electrolytes, salts
and so on. Water does not do this.
With water, once a person feels thirsty, it is too late, they are already
dehydrated but if you are able to drink often, I would recommend water, and
lots of it.
Carl
keithmckinley wrote:
> Doc,
>
> Is there any benefit or detriment drinking gatorade or something similar?
>
> K
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6A SS Exhaust |
Jim,
Andrew Zheng has one for sale on Barnstormers.
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Mike Elrod
N368MB
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| Subject: | Re: Doug and Kathleen Sapp |
Wishing Doug and Kathleen a speedy recovery.
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Mike Elrod
N368MB
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Doc,
Pedialyte???? Yes???? or No???? I've used it to rehydrate (recover) after
some bad and losing bouts with the ethyl alcohol.
ras
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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Hal, - your tale of what happened give me shades of 9 years ago. Doug, you have
to stop this crap, you don't want to injure that beautiful person you are lucky
to be married to. So long as it is not your finger - I'm sure you will recover
well. All the very best to you both. You are fortunate to have Hal there
with you.
Paul Dumoret
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:13 AM, RICHARD VOLKER <rick@rvairshows.com> wrote:
> Increased core body temperature decreases G tolerance also, with Nomex
> Flight suits and helmets both subtracting from your normal tolerance. This
> is just another reason to keep hydrating and hide out in the air conditioned
> fbo until your flight time .
> Rick VOLKER
>
And then one could wear shorts and Hawaiian shirts to help out as well.
Didn't we have an argument about nomex about 10 years ago? ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
"Didn't we have an argument about nomex about 10 years ago? ;-)"
-
Not that I remember ......-- -
-
mgb
WA3JPY/A92FL
--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: G Tolerance and Hydration
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:13 AM, RICHARD VOLKER <rick@rvairshows.com> wrote
:
Increased core body temperature decreases G tolerance also, with Nomex Flig
ht suits and helmets both subtracting from your normal tolerance. This is j
ust another reason to keep hydrating and hide out in the air conditioned fb
o until your flight time .
Rick VOLKER
And then one could wear shorts and Hawaiian shirts to help out as well. Did
n't we have an argument about nomex about 10 years ago? ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Pedialyte is iso-osmotic meaning it is equivalent in saline, water, and
other the other electrolytes contained in the serum of our blood. The sugar
content in it does not pull water out of the vascular system like that of
some of the concentrated energy drinks. It was designed to be easily
absorbed by the stressed infants GI tract due to viral or bacterial
enteritis (diarrhea) or even vomiting.
I understand alcohol induced serum sickness all too well having suffered
many bouts of it in my life. One would be better economically served to
drink 8 0z. of water (plain old tap) after every couple of adult beverages
to ward off the dreaded morning after dragon mouth with the gong
ringing/throbbing in ones' head from the osmotic dehydration induced by the
alcohol.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Robert
Schroeder
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Hydration..
Doc,
Pedialyte???? Yes???? or No???? I've used it to rehydrate (recover) after
some bad and losing bouts with the ethyl alcohol.
ras
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | CJ-6A SS Exhaust |
Doug Sapp sells them.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alikatz@mbay.net
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ-6A SS Exhaust
I have a gentleman looking to purchase a SS Exhaust System for
the CJ-6A ( 285 h.p. ), would anyone happen to know who's
producing/selling this system? Thank you,
Best Regards
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> *Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>* wrote:
> "Didn't we have an argument about nomex about 10 years ago? ;-)"
>
> Not that I remember ......
>
Let's see if I can annoy everyone by bringing it up again. It had to do with
Red Star requiring nomex flight suits and gloves for Red Star events. I got
all pissy about them telling me how I have to dress in my own airplane. I
brought up the issue of heat and dehydration impairing safety more than
wearing nomex poopy-suits improves safety.
Remember now?
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
I remember Brian. I think I saved them because I was so amused. I'm sure they
are in the archives for the newbies around here...
-Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas (ADS) - Austin(EDC)
p.s. hey Brian, Betty sez hi! ;)
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| Subject: | Re: G Tolerance and Hydration |
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com> wrote:
>
> I remember Brian. I think I saved them because I was so amused. I'm sure
> they are in the archives for the newbies around here...
>
What can I say. I am just a contrary individual.
And for the noobs on here, I was the guy who started the Yak list about 13
years ago or so.
> -Dave Laird
> N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
> Dallas (ADS) - Austin(EDC)
>
> p.s. hey Brian, Betty sez hi! ;)
>
Hi back. Wish I had her now.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Doug and Kathlee - June 28 update |
Doug and Kathleen thank all of you who have sent good wishes and words of
support. It has meant a great deal to them as they have started the mending
process.
Their daughter Methea has been with them during the day, and staying with
Laura and me at Laura's house in Bigfork.
Laura and I were with them this morning and they are both up and walking,
their sense of humor is pretty much fully intact, they keep finding new
places that hurt or are growing a bruise, they enjoy laughing even when it
hurts, they are both wearing clamshell braces that give them a bit of a
"Star Wars Stormtrroper" effect, they have decided that International orange
is the appropriate color for bush plane flying clothes and that partial
helmets are in order, and - they are already discussing what model Piper
will be their next bush plane.
Doug corrected my account of agl - they were at the departure threshold,
about 200 agl and just starting over high timber. No time, no place but a
small clearing with a downhill lie. There is a picture of the plane in the
local paper today - www.dailyinterlake.com -
Kathleen is scheduled to check out of the hospital tomorrow morning
(Wednesday). She and Doug will join us in Bigfork until Friday morning. On
Friday we have arranged for an Angel Flight to take the three of them home
to Omak. Instead of a scenic eight hour drive through Montana, Idaho and
Washington they will have to tough it out for about an hour in a Pilatus
PC-12 turboprop. With leather seats. Pressurized. Not a typical Yak/CJ or
bush plane ride but, hey, one has to adapt.
Again, Doug and Kathleen thank you for all the good wishes and support and
look forward to talking with you in the future.
Hal
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| Subject: | Doug and Kathlee - June 28 update |
Yak Jock (Batman). Tell Doug & Kathleen that Randy "dabear" and I will
have the car waiting in Chicago to pick them up and pamper them for a
week of RECOOP in OSH. "Will leave a light on" - they can have your
vacant room, and I can forward two roundtrip "Standby Tickets" Kalispell
to ORD to Kalispell. Seeing them in their new body suits would do the
crowd good and the Redstar folks would be glad to show their
appreciation.
John Cox
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hal
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:06 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Doug and Kathlee - June 28 update
Doug and Kathleen thank all of you who have sent good wishes and words
of support. It has meant a great deal to them as they have started the
mending process.
Their daughter Methea has been with them during the day, and staying
with Laura and me at Laura's house in Bigfork.
Laura and I were with them this morning and they are both up and
walking, their sense of humor is pretty much fully intact, they keep
finding new places that hurt or are growing a bruise, they enjoy
laughing even when it hurts, they are both wearing clamshell braces that
give them a bit of a "Star Wars Stormtrroper" effect, they have decided
that International orange is the appropriate color for bush plane flying
clothes and that partial helmets are in order, and - they are already
discussing what model Piper will be their next bush plane.
Doug corrected my account of agl - they were at the departure threshold,
about 200 agl and just starting over high timber. No time, no place but
a small clearing with a downhill lie. There is a picture of the plane in
the local paper today - www.dailyinterlake.com -
Kathleen is scheduled to check out of the hospital tomorrow morning
(Wednesday). She and Doug will join us in Bigfork until Friday morning.
On Friday we have arranged for an Angel Flight to take the three of them
home to Omak. Instead of a scenic eight hour drive through Montana,
Idaho and Washington they will have to tough it out for about an hour in
a Pilatus PC-12 turboprop. With leather seats. Pressurized. Not a
typical Yak/CJ or bush plane ride but, hey, one has to adapt.
Again, Doug and Kathleen thank you for all the good wishes and support
and look forward to talking with you in the future.
Hal
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