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1. 08:45 AM - Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet (Thomas Geoghegan)
2. 08:59 AM - Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet (T A LEWIS)
3. 09:38 AM - Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet (Larry Pine)
4. 10:22 AM - Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet (Walter Lannon)
5. 11:15 AM - Re: Electric Fuel Pump (barryhancock)
6. 11:56 AM - Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet ()
7. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Bill Geipel)
8. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Brian Lloyd)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Roger Kemp M.D.)
10. 06:20 PM - Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet (Walter Lannon)
11. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Larry Pine)
12. 07:51 PM - Re: Electric Fuel Pump (barryhancock)
13. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Bill Geipel)
14. 11:04 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
15. 11:09 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
Yesterday after my flight, I found a small 1" x 1.25" (approx) metal plate
with two screws and a hole in the center. It was at my gib's right foot. I'
m trying to identify it and figure out where it belongs.
Any ideas?
Pictures are attached
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
I could be an instrument panel mount . I'll checkmy plane later today .
Terry
----- Original Message ----
From: Thomas Geoghegan <thomasg@infosysnetworks.com>
Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:40:01 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
Yesterday after my flight, I found a small 1" x 1.25" (approx) metal plate with
two screws and a hole in the center. It was at my gib's right foot. I'm trying
to identify it and figure out where it belongs.
Any ideas?
Pictures are attached
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
It appears to be an avionics shock mount from the instruments behind the pilots
seat..
Larry Pine
N8181C
CJ6/m14p
T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>I could be an instrument panel mount . I'll checkmy plane later today .
>Terry
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Thomas Geoghegan <thomasg@infosysnetworks.com>
>To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:40:01 AM
>Subject: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
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>Yesterday after my flight, I found a small 1" x 1.25" (approx) metal plate with
>two screws and a hole in the center. It was at my gib's right foot. I'm trying
>to identify it and figure out where it belongs.
>
>Any ideas?
>Pictures are attached
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
I believe it is the end cap / pivot bearing for rudder pedal position
adjusting screw. Probably from the rear cockpit..
With a mirror and flashlight inspect the forward end of the adjustment screw
housing in both cockpits. You will see a notable difference if that is the
case.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pine" <threein60@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
>
> It appears to be an avionics shock mount from the instruments behind the
> pilots seat..
>
> Larry Pine
> N8181C
> CJ6/m14p
>
>
> T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>>
>>I could be an instrument panel mount . I'll check my plane later today .
>>Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Thomas Geoghegan <thomasg@infosysnetworks.com>
>>To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:40:01 AM
>>Subject: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
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>>Yesterday after my flight, I found a small 1" x 1.25" (approx) metal plate
>>with
>>two screws and a hole in the center. It was at my gib's right foot. I'm
>>trying
>>to identify it and figure out where it belongs.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>Pictures are attached
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
We have developed and installed a backup primer/stand by electric boost pump system
that is working quite well in several aircraft. It is a facet pump tied
to a solenoid on the firewall that diverts fuel to the primer side when the up
MOM/middle OFF/ down BOOST switch is pushed up. This gets rid of the plunger
type primer and wobble pump on the right side of the cockpit (many times we would
redo that right side panel to clean up the holes left by the missing parts).
We have sold several kits and had no complaints on the installation. I have one
in my plane and I love it. I actually put a remote primer swtich on the right
side of the firewall so I don't have to make that extra trip back up the wing
between the pull through to clear the oil and the prime sequence. Out of all
the upgrades I've engineered on the CJ, I think this is my favorite convenience
type mod....the electric prime/boost pump itself, is certainly a safety upgrade
over the stock system.
Let me know if you have any questions, I'm happy to help any way I can.
Happy Flying,
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344606#344606
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
---- Thomas, Looks like one of the old radio mounts.
Geoghegan <thomasg@infosysnetworks.com> wrote:
> Yesterday after my flight, I found a small 1" x 1.25" (approx) metal plate with
two screws and a hole in the center. It was at my gib's right foot. I'm trying
to identify it and figure out where it belongs.
> Any ideas?
> Pictures are attached
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
If I can get away from pumping and use the panel space for something else I'll
do it. Now what?
I'll take one. How much?
Thank you
Bill
On Jul 1, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> wrote:
>
> We have developed and installed a backup primer/stand by electric boost pump
system that is working quite well in several aircraft. It is a facet pump tied
to a solenoid on the firewall that diverts fuel to the primer side when the
up MOM/middle OFF/ down BOOST switch is pushed up. This gets rid of the plunger
type primer and wobble pump on the right side of the cockpit (many times we
would redo that right side panel to clean up the holes left by the missing parts).
>
> We have sold several kits and had no complaints on the installation. I have
one in my plane and I love it. I actually put a remote primer swtich on the right
side of the firewall so I don't have to make that extra trip back up the
wing between the pull through to clear the oil and the prime sequence. Out of
all the upgrades I've engineered on the CJ, I think this is my favorite convenience
type mod....the electric prime/boost pump itself, is certainly a safety
upgrade over the stock system.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions, I'm happy to help any way I can.
>
> Happy Flying,
>
> Barry
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> (909) 606-4444
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344606#344606
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
>
> If I can get away from pumping and use the panel space for something else
> I'll do it. Now what?
> I'll take one. How much?
>
It seems dead-nuts simple to me. Put in a Facet fuel pump of sufficient
capacity in place of the wobble pump. Replumb the oil-dilution solenoid
valve to to dump fuel into the primer port instead of the oil sump. (I
cannot imagine anyone using oil dilution these days.) I am surprised that it
hasn't been done in all CJ's.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
Will work for the 52 but the system does not exist on the 50. Next question w
hat is the volume of fuel this system dumps into the supercharger?
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrot
e:
>
> If I can get away from pumping and use the panel space for something else I
'll do it. Now what?
> I'll take one. How much?
>
> It seems dead-nuts simple to me. Put in a Facet fuel pump of sufficient ca
pacity in place of the wobble pump. Replumb the oil-dilution solenoid valve t
o to dump fuel into the primer port instead of the oil sump. (I cannot imagi
ne anyone using oil dilution these days.) I am surprised that it hasn't been
done in all CJ's.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
Tom;
Further to my last - confirmed today that identification is correct.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@persona.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
>
> I believe it is the end cap / pivot bearing for rudder pedal position
> adjusting screw. Probably from the rear cockpit..
>
> With a mirror and flashlight inspect the forward end of the adjustment
> screw housing in both cockpits. You will see a notable difference if that
> is the case.
>
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Pine" <threein60@yahoo.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
>
>
>>
>> It appears to be an avionics shock mount from the instruments behind the
>> pilots seat..
>>
>> Larry Pine
>> N8181C
>> CJ6/m14p
>>
>>
>>
>> T A LEWIS <talew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I could be an instrument panel mount . I'll check my plane later today .
>>>Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>From: Thomas Geoghegan <thomasg@infosysnetworks.com>
>>>To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:40:01 AM
>>>Subject: Yak-List: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
>>>
>>>Yesterday after my flight, I found a small 1" x 1.25" (approx) metal
>>>plate with
>>>two screws and a hole in the center. It was at my gib's right foot. I'm
>>>trying
>>>to identify it and figure out where it belongs.
>>>
>>>Any ideas?
>>>Pictures are attached
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
Here is what I did in my CJ.- I placed the fuel pump and the primer solen
oid in the forward, right hand lower access area. I removed all lines out o
f the cockpit to include the primer and wobble pump.- Now the complete fu
el system is operated by a single switch on the right hand panel.- This s
witch activates both the prime and fuel pump function.- No need to pull t
he prop through when priming now.-- As I turn over the engine I hit the
momentary primer and the engine starts every time.- If needed I can hit
the electric pump with the same switch that will lock in position with a ce
nter off.- You can see the switch in the picture.- It is the guarded sw
itch in the yellow stripped area with two lights that indicate primer, boos
t pump, or primer and boost pump.- Just another way to skin the cat..
Larry Pine
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
Thanks for the replies both on list and off. To answer the questions:
The kit is $675 for all the parts needed for installation (pump, switch, solenoid,
wiring, tubing, installation directions, etc.), or $825 if you want us to
bend the tubes (you need a tube bender).
Your looking at roughly 11-12 hours of labor if you know what you are doing. Yes,
detailed instructions are included, plus phone support if needed.
The pump puts out 4-7 psi and 30 GPH, so it's plenty sufficient in an emergency
situation.
For prime a "one thousand" count roughly equates to one shot on the mechanical
primer.
As Brian said, you could also use the oil dilution valve and switch, but after
a lot of study this system is less time consuming and more practical to install
with the features we have incorporated into it (i.e. both prime and boost coming
off of one switch).
Last answer is it takes us 5-7 working days to process a kit from the time of order.
Off for the 4th of July weekend to celebrate our forefathers courage and our great
nation's goodness.....have a great/safe weekend everyone!
Happy Flying,
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(909) 606-4444
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344651#344651
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
Good for your dead-nuts. I'll take Mr Hancocks proven system. I just can't b
e good at everything. Electric fuel pumps and flying twins.
I thank God everyday for people like Barry.
Bill
On Jul 1, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrot
e:
>
> If I can get away from pumping and use the panel space for something else I
'll do it. Now what?
> I'll take one. How much?
>
> It seems dead-nuts simple to me. Put in a Facet fuel pump of sufficient ca
pacity in place of the wobble pump. Replumb the oil-dilution solenoid valve t
o to dump fuel into the primer port instead of the oil sump. (I cannot imagi
ne anyone using oil dilution these days.) I am surprised that it hasn't been
done in all CJ's.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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