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1. 12:58 AM - Re: Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet (kevin pilling)
2. 02:12 AM - CJ6 FOR SALE IN AUSTRALIA (CJ6XXK)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: flashing the field (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 08:32 AM - Re: flashing the field (Brian Lloyd)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: flashing the field (Brian Lloyd)
6. 08:49 AM - Re: flashing the field (William Halverson)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: flashing the field (dabear)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: flashing the field (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: flashing the field (Brian Lloyd)
10. 09:28 AM - Re: flashing the field (Brian Lloyd)
11. 11:07 AM - Re: flashing the field (Mark Davis)
12. 11:23 AM - Re: flashing the field (Brian Lloyd)
13. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
14. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (Larry Pine)
15. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Electric Fuel Pump (dabear)
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet |
Excellent.... LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: 06 July 2011 05:40
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Trying to identify CJ part found at gib's feet
I think it was some sort of malevolent Chinese device designed to prevent
any camera in its vicinity from focusing.
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On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
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Roger E. Baker, Managing Director
Panadero Energy Components, LLC
dba PEC AirAssist
760/809-5506
760/730-9244
760/454-4595 fax
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| Subject: | CJ6 FOR SALE IN AUSTRALIA |
Nanchang CJ6
This aircraft is a 1990 model and only has 4000tt airframe time.The engine has
been overhauled and has a total of 5hrs smoh. Prop was also overhauled and it
to has 5hrs smoh
This aircraft has been fully striped to bare metal and repainted in clear over
base DuPont
All control surfaces have been recovered
The interior has new leather seats and been retrimed and painted. There is new
carpet on the floor as well.
New front cleavland 600x6 rim and new tyre
B&C sk35 alternator to replace the original generator.
Alot of money and time has been spent on this aircraft as you can see.Contact me,
Daniel, for any further information on 0428 337 028
Located in Orange NSW. Will deliver anywhere in Australia for cost of fuel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345083#345083
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
Brain, you gotta understand Blitz, he flys around Napa Valley. You know
how those people over there are. They get excited over a fruit, which they
let rot!
Too he's ex USAF - - - - - Like you! :)))
Pappy
In a message dated 7/6/2011 12:27:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brian@lloyd.com writes:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:36 PM, <_KingCJ6@aol.com_ (mailto:KingCJ6@aol.com)
> wrote:
Blitz describes "self-exciting" in a very different way....
<groan>
In a message dated 7/5/2011 7:18:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_brian@lloyd.com_ (mailto:brian@lloyd.com) writes:
In order to "flash the field" you momentarily connect the field terminal
on the generator to the positive lead on the battery. (Assuming negative
ground that is.) This causes full battery voltage to flow through the field.
The result is that the pole-pieces in the field take on a low-level
permanent magnetism. This allows the generator to be self-exciting.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
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Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:51 AM, <BKENNAMORE@aol.com> wrote:
> **
> Brian, thanks for the reply, On the CJ there are three wires , + E + the
> center wire may be an M ,just the way you look at it. I did not want to
> damage the voltage regulator, do you disconnect all the wires to do the
> flashing ?and is the center wire the field wire ? thanks for your help....BJ
>
Ah, it has been a long time since I have worked on the electrical system of
a CJ6A. I am going to have to guess here because my copy of the schematic is
not at all clear. I cannot clearly read the labels on the connectors so I am
going to make some general comments and suggestions as to how to identify
the field terminal on the generator.
The three wires on the generator are earth (ground), the armature (output),
and the field. You will find that the field lead is routed to the generator
switch on the panel. (Turning off the generator switch disconnects the field
winding from the regulator which is how the generator is forced to shut
down.) The ground and armature wires will be of larger gauge. The field wire
will be much smaller. My guess is that E is 'earth' or ground.
There are two ways I can think of to identify the field:
1. Disconnect the generator connector and measure the resistance between
the terminals using an ohm meter that can measure less than one ohm. The
Field will be the terminal that has a greater resistance than the other two.
This resistance will still be low, probably on the order of one or two ohms
but you should be able to measure the difference clearly.
2. Disconnect the wires from the generator. The field wire will be the
one that has continuity to one of the terminals on the generator switch on
the panel.
You can flash the field with the regulator still connected to the generator.
If the generator switch is turned off then the field is effectively
disconnected from the regulator so there will be no possible problem with
the regulator.
Good luck and consider converting from the generator to an alternator. It
would let you pull out the heavy generator and replace it with a smaller and
lighter alternator. Also you can remove the regulator and filter from the
firewall. These changes should be good for at least 20lb removed from the
airplane.
FWIW, when I removed the Chinese wiring harness from my project I tossed it
all in a box and weighed it. It weighed in at 90lb! That was just the wiring
harness itself. I would bet that a good rewiring job using modern
instruments and avionics, will save over 200lb.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> **
> Brain, you gotta understand Blitz, he flys around Napa Valley. You know
> how those people over there are. They get excited over a fruit, which they
> let rot!
>
> Too he's ex USAF - - - - - Like you! :)))
>
I know Pappy. Those of us who live on this side of the country are affected
by our proximity to the left coast. I am sure that if I move I will regain
some of my mental stability. Pray for me.
BTW, I have some good news. Remember my 12-year-old GIB who accompanied me
to the Red Star fly-in about 12 years ago? Well, he has fulfilled his goal
to graduate from the United States Naval Academy and begins pilot training
in August. He his hoping to follow in his grandfather's, uncle's, and great
uncle's footsteps and smash airplanes into the back of boats.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
And the chain remains unbroken!
BZ to him, and certainly to his family!
Glad he chose the right place to learn how to fly ...
;-)
William Halverson
YAK55
USNA '75
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian@lloyd.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: flashing the field
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> **
> Brain, you gotta understand Blitz, he flys around Napa Valley. You know
> how those people over there are. They get excited over a fruit, which they
> let rot!
>
> Too he's ex USAF - - - - - Like you! :)))
>
I know Pappy. Those of us who live on this side of the country are affected
by our proximity to the left coast. I am sure that if I move I will regain
some of my mental stability. Pray for me.
BTW, I have some good news. Remember my 12-year-old GIB who accompanied me
to the Red Star fly-in about 12 years ago? Well, he has fulfilled his goal
to graduate from the United States Naval Academy and begins pilot training
in August. He his hoping to follow in his grandfather's, uncle's, and great
uncle's footsteps and smash airplanes into the back of boats.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
Brian,
I removed and added equipment to my CJ removing 99% of the Chinese wiring,
instruments, and avionics. Installed the Dynon SV system and lost 171lbs.
J
2 10" panels in the front, 1 10" panel in the back, dual ADHARS, SV
transponder, backup GPS, and 2- axis auto pilot.
Bear
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: flashing the field
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:51 AM, <BKENNAMORE@aol.com> wrote:
Brian, thanks for the reply, On the CJ there are three wires , + E + the
center wire may be an M ,just the way you look at it. I did not want to
damage the voltage regulator, do you disconnect all the wires to do the
flashing ?and is the center wire the field wire ? thanks for your help....BJ
Ah, it has been a long time since I have worked on the electrical system of
a CJ6A. I am going to have to guess here because my copy of the schematic is
not at all clear. I cannot clearly read the labels on the connectors so I am
going to make some general comments and suggestions as to how to identify
the field terminal on the generator.
The three wires on the generator are earth (ground), the armature (output),
and the field. You will find that the field lead is routed to the generator
switch on the panel. (Turning off the generator switch disconnects the field
winding from the regulator which is how the generator is forced to shut
down.) The ground and armature wires will be of larger gauge. The field wire
will be much smaller. My guess is that E is 'earth' or ground.
There are two ways I can think of to identify the field:
1. Disconnect the generator connector and measure the resistance
between the terminals using an ohm meter that can measure less than one ohm.
The Field will be the terminal that has a greater resistance than the other
two. This resistance will still be low, probably on the order of one or two
ohms but you should be able to measure the difference clearly.
2. Disconnect the wires from the generator. The field wire will be the
one that has continuity to one of the terminals on the generator switch on
the panel.
You can flash the field with the regulator still connected to the generator.
If the generator switch is turned off then the field is effectively
disconnected from the regulator so there will be no possible problem with
the regulator.
Good luck and consider converting from the generator to an alternator. It
would let you pull out the heavy generator and replace it with a smaller and
lighter alternator. Also you can remove the regulator and filter from the
firewall. These changes should be good for at least 20lb removed from the
airplane.
FWIW, when I removed the Chinese wiring harness from my project I tossed it
all in a box and weighed it. It weighed in at 90lb! That was just the wiring
harness itself. I would bet that a good rewiring job using modern
instruments and avionics, will save over 200lb.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
In a message dated 7/6/2011 11:40:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brian@lloyd.com writes:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, <_cjpilot710@aol.com_
(mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) > wrote:
Brain, you gotta understand Blitz, he flys around Napa Valley. You know
how those people over there are. They get excited over a fruit, which they
let rot!
Too he's ex USAF - - - - - Like you! :)))
I know Pappy. Those of us who live on this side of the country are
affected by our proximity to the left coast. I am sure that if I move I will
regain some of my mental stability. Pray for me.
BTW, I have some good news. Remember my 12-year-old GIB who accompanied me
to the Red Star fly-in about 12 years ago? Well, he has fulfilled his goal
to graduate from the United States Naval Academy and begins pilot training
in August. He his hoping to follow in his grandfather's, uncle's, and great
uncle's footsteps and smash airplanes into the back of boats.
I DO remember!!! MUST be genetics man!! I have several ex Navy type who
fly my wing down here in God's country. Can't land an airplane worth a
pop. I think they keep seeing lines across the runway or something! I see
more smoke off the tires than a 747!
My "nephew" Billy, did the same. At 10 he wrote a letter to Congress
woman Nancy Johnson to "save him a seat at the AirForce Academy". Well I
helped him get private before he finished high school. He went right to the
academy, graduated #4, went to fly F-15C, and now is at the Pentagon. That
feels like an instant ago.
Luck and tight wires to your GIB.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
_brian@lloyd.com_ (mailto:brian@lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:56 AM, dabear <dabear@devere.us> wrote:
> Brian,****
>
> ** **
>
> I removed and added equipment to my CJ removing 99% of the Chinese wiring
,
> instruments, and avionics. Installed the Dynon SV system and lost 171lbs
.
> J****
>
> ** **
>
> 2 10=94 panels in the front, 1 10=94 panel in the back, dual ADHARS, SV
> transponder, backup GPS, and 2- axis auto pilot.
>
Sounds nice!
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, William Halverson <william@netpros.net>wrote:
>
>
> And the chain remains unbroken!
>
> BZ to him, and certainly to his family!
>
> Glad he chose the right place to learn how to fly ...
>
> ;-)
>
Yeah, well, I had something to do with it. I never had a problem to get him
into the airplane -- RV4, CJ, or Yak -- if I was going out to yank-'n-bank.
The kid loves G's, the more the better. It was usually me calling for "knock
it off" as his entry pull for just about everything was 6 G's. :-) No
half-measures for him.
Class of '75 eh? Well Seth is Class of '11. I s'pose you guys can do the
ring-knocker thing. ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
Being a former LSO, we tailhook type Naval Aviators prefer to smash onto
the roofs of boats, not into the back!
Mark Davis
N44YK
Former Garuda and Guntrain Paddles
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Lloyd
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: flashing the field
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
Brain, you gotta understand Blitz, he flys around Napa Valley. You
know how those people over there are. They get excited over a fruit,
which they let rot!
Too he's ex USAF - - - - - Like you! :)))
I know Pappy. Those of us who live on this side of the country are
affected by our proximity to the left coast. I am sure that if I move I
will regain some of my mental stability. Pray for me.
BTW, I have some good news. Remember my 12-year-old GIB who
accompanied me to the Red Star fly-in about 12 years ago? Well, he has
fulfilled his goal to graduate from the United States Naval Academy and
begins pilot training in August. He his hoping to follow in his
grandfather's, uncle's, and great uncle's footsteps and smash airplanes
into the back of boats.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: flashing the field |
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
> **
> Being a former LSO, we tailhook type Naval Aviators prefer to smash *onto*the
roofs of boats, not
> *into* the back!
>
Duly noted. :-)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
Larry,
Saw your misfortune in the Flightwatch link this am.Never trust a teenager
(under 30) with a Maserati. I hope your bird is back in the air real soon.
Robert
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pine
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Electric Fuel Pump
Here is what I did in my CJ. I placed the fuel pump and the primer solenoid
in the forward, right hand lower access area. I removed all lines out of the
cockpit to include the primer and wobble pump. Now the complete fuel system
is operated by a single switch on the right hand panel. This switch
activates both the prime and fuel pump function. No need to pull the prop
through when priming now. As I turn over the engine I hit the momentary
primer and the engine starts every time. If needed I can hit the electric
pump with the same switch that will lock in position with a center off. You
can see the switch in the picture. It is the guarded switch in the yellow
stripped area with two lights that indicate primer, boost pump, or primer
and boost pump. Just another way to skin the cat..
Larry Pine
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
Thanks Robert..=C2-
Unfortunately, luck wasn't with me that evening.=C2- Still hoping for a r
ebuild.=C2- Love the plane, hate to give her up.
Larry Pine
--- On Wed, 7/6/11, Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com> wrote:
From: Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Electric Fuel Pump
Larry,
=C2-
Saw your misfortune in the Flightwatch link this amNever trust a t
eenager (under 30) with a Maserati.=C2- I hope your bird is back in the a
ir real soon.
Robert
=C2-
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pine
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Electric Fuel Pump
=C2-
Here is what I did in my CJ.=C2- I placed the fuel pump and the primer so
lenoid in the forward, right hand lower access area. I removed all lines ou
t of the cockpit to include the primer and wobble pump.=C2- Now the compl
ete fuel system is operated by a single switch on the right hand panel.=C2
- This switch activates both the prime and fuel pump function.=C2- No n
eed to pull the prop through when priming now.=C2-=C2- As I turn over t
he engine I hit the momentary primer and the engine starts every time.=C2
- If needed I can hit the electric pump with the same switch that will lo
ck in position with a center off.=C2- You can see the switch in the pictu
re.=C2- It is the guarded switch in the yellow stripped area with two lig
hts that indicate primer, boost pump, or primer and boost pump.=C2- Just
another way to skin the cat..
Larry Pine
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fuel Pump |
What happened?
Are you ok?
Bear
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pine
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Electric Fuel Pump
Thanks Robert..
Unfortunately, luck wasn't with me that evening. Still hoping for a
rebuild. Love the plane, hate to give her up.
Larry Pine
--- On Wed, 7/6/11, Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com> wrote:
From: Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Electric Fuel Pump
Larry,
Saw your misfortune in the Flightwatch link this amNever trust
a teenager (under 30) with a Maserati. I hope your bird is back in the
air real soon.
Robert
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pine
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Electric Fuel Pump
Here is what I did in my CJ. I placed the fuel pump and the primer
solenoid in the forward, right hand lower access area. I removed all
lines out of the cockpit to include the primer and wobble pump. Now the
complete fuel system is operated by a single switch on the right hand
panel. This switch activates both the prime and fuel pump function. No
need to pull the prop through when priming now. As I turn over the
engine I hit the momentary primer and the engine starts every time. If
needed I can hit the electric pump with the same switch that will lock
in position with a center off. You can see the switch in the picture.
It is the guarded switch in the yellow stripped area with two lights
that indicate primer, boost pump, or primer and boost pump. Just
another way to skin the cat..
Larry Pine
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