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1. 03:09 AM - (ET)
2. 03:52 AM - Ignition woes (CJcanuck)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Ignition woes (Dale)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Ignition woes (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: Ignition woes (Richard Goode)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Ignition woes (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Yak Pilot)
8. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Ignition woes (Yak Pilot)
10. 08:18 AM - NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Brian Lloyd)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Yak Pilot)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (George Coy)
13. 09:10 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Yak Pilot)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Brian Lloyd)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Yak Pilot)
16. 10:00 AM - Re: Possibly wrong year on FAA paperwork (doug sapp)
17. 12:50 PM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Brian Lloyd)
18. 03:18 PM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Sam Sax)
19. 03:43 PM - NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Sam Sax)
20. 05:06 PM - Re: European registration/certification (Etienne Verhellen)
21. 05:39 PM - Re: Undercarriage (Vic)
22. 09:22 PM - Yak 55 fuel gauge sight glass (Joe Enzminger)
23. 11:27 PM - Fw: Re: European registration/certification (Jochen Peiper)
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I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first appeared
when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation. Basically we have
a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag drop and everything,
but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run noticeably rough. Checking
the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the #1 position (#2 is fine).
We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag installed, replaced
the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of the mag. Where should
we go from here?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition woes |
since you changed over to auto plugs you might want to see if they are carbon fouling.
if your mixture is on the rich side the back plugs might be carbon fouling.
look at the plugs , should be a tan color. if any black or dark color
then they are carbon fouling. check them against the front plugs carefully as
there is a fine line between fowling and still working. For kicks you can put
a hotter plug in just one cly to see if they change. The one to foul fastest
is the number 6 as it gets the lions share of the fuel charge due to the supercharger
design and carb placement. The exhaust pipe should be the same color
as the plugs if all is running right so a black exhaust is over rich as well.
Sometime the auto plugs when they get hot misfire if they have a cracked insulator
or defect as well , dropped or hit with the wrench.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346482#346482
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition woes |
What is the brand and model number of the plugs you are using? Here's
a test you can do.
Run the engine until it starts to misfire and immediately switch the mag
switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let it run on that mag
for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down and using a laser
temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every cylinder at the
same point on each cylinder and write the temps down. A good point on
the cylinder is just below the base of the spark plug. The coldest
cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you have narrowed it down to
the particular cylinder and spark plug. From there it can the plug, the
wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the cap for possible cracks
and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me a close-up photo of
inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, I'll be glad to let you
know what I see.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck"<m_kirk69@hotmail.com>
>
> I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first appeared
when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation. Basically we
have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag drop and everything,
but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run noticeably rough. Checking
the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the #1 position (#2 is fine).
>
> We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag installed, replaced
the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of the mag. Where
should we go from here?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472
>
>
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It sounds to me like a magneto coil-classic symptoms of running fine for 30
minutes or so then misfiring.
You changed a magneto-what about the other?
Also,are you sure the coils in the "new" magneto were good??
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: 15 July 2011 14:29
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
What is the brand and model number of the plugs you are using? Here's
a test you can do.
Run the engine until it starts to misfire and immediately switch the mag
switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let it run on that mag
for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down and using a laser
temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every cylinder at the
same point on each cylinder and write the temps down. A good point on
the cylinder is just below the base of the spark plug. The coldest
cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you have narrowed it down to
the particular cylinder and spark plug. From there it can the plug, the
wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the cap for possible cracks
and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me a close-up photo of
inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, I'll be glad to let you
know what I see.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck"<m_kirk69@hotmail.com>
>
> I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first
appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation.
Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag
drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run
noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the
#1 position (#2 is fine).
>
> We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag
installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of
the mag. Where should we go from here?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition woes |
Richard is right. It does sound like it could be a bad coil.
Typically, coil failures show up between 20 and 40 minutes of a flight,
when the coil gets hot. Tests have proven a bad coil will start to
break down at around 60 Celsius and continue misfiring as the
temperature goes up.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 7/15/2011 8:47 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode"<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> It sounds to me like a magneto coil-classic symptoms of running fine for 30
> minutes or so then misfiring.
> You changed a magneto-what about the other?
> Also,are you sure the coils in the "new" magneto were good??
>
> Richard Goode
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: 15 July 2011 14:29
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> What is the brand and model number of the plugs you are using? Here's
> a test you can do.
>
> Run the engine until it starts to misfire and immediately switch the mag
> switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let it run on that mag
> for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down and using a laser
> temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every cylinder at the
> same point on each cylinder and write the temps down. A good point on
> the cylinder is just below the base of the spark plug. The coldest
> cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you have narrowed it down to
> the particular cylinder and spark plug. From there it can the plug, the
> wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the cap for possible cracks
> and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me a close-up photo of
> inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, I'll be glad to let you
> know what I see.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (cell)
> Skype: Yakguy1
> www.yak-52.com
>
>
> On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck"<m_kirk69@hotmail.com>
>>
>> I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first
> appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation.
> Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag
> drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run
> noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the
> #1 position (#2 is fine).
>> We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag
> installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of
> the mag. Where should we go from here?
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
You are doing an EXCELLENT job of proving everything I said in my last email Mr.
Verhellen.
By the way, I have three generators for sale that will fit your 52.
Your price: $100,000 That's for the one with the broken shaft and bad bearings.
Only the best for a British Airways pilot!
--- On Thu, 7/14/11, Etienne Verhellen <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
> From: Etienne Verhellen <janie@yak52.fr>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 7:53 PM
> "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr>
>
> 1. Brian is spot on :
> "I may not like the FAA much but I am *SO* glad I am in the
> US and not the EU. At least we have only one set of stupid
> rules we have to deal with".
> Unfortunately in Europe we have to put up with different
> rules from one country to another regarding Yak flying
> :?
>
> 2. And my friend Lionel is just proving the point !
> His nice Yak-52 was registered G-BZJB and maintained under
> the supervisions of the UK CAA :
> http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1138672/
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=BZJB
> then it went to the "russian" register as RA-3630K :
> http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22086
>
> The reason people buy UK CAA registered Yaks is because
> they are in good condition.
>
> But then they switch to "russian" registrations ... for
> various reasons ...
>
> Richard, I can send you a impressive list of UK registered
> Yaks that have now transferred to a "russian" registration
> ...
>
> Richard, can you please tell us why the French CAA is not
> allowing UK registered Yaks in France but is quite happy
> with "russian" registrations ?
>
> And one these Yaks are on the "russian" register, they sort
> of dissapear ...
> Page 17 of this document :
> http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2008/ra-k080504/pdf/ra-k080504.pdf
> "Sans obligation dappartenir au registre
> franais des immatriculations, il na pas
> t possible de dterminer le nombre
> davions immatriculs
> RA-xxxxK volant en France". !!!
> SO, the French CAA has ABSOLUTELY no idea how many
> "russian" Yaks are based in France !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Well you are the expert but it does not make any sense to
> me !
>
> Lionel, did you find out the reason the engine of your
> Yak-52 suddently stop in flight over the beach of Arcachon
> ??:o
> http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22125
> http://arcachon.blogs.sudouest.fr/archive/2011/03/08/arcachon-se-dote-d-une-nouvelle-piste-d-atterrissage.html
> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/09/l-avion-sur-le-sable-337016-2733.php
> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/10/arcachon-l-avion-est-toujours-sur-la-plage-338424-2733.php
> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/11/arcachon-l-avion-evacue-de-la-plage-338555-2733.php
> Was it a maintenance problem ... or something else ??
> :?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346402#346402
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Mark,
Can I get a discount if I buy all 3? :-)))
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 7/15/2011 9:08 AM, Yak Pilot wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Yak Pilot<yakplt@yahoo.com>
>
> You are doing an EXCELLENT job of proving everything I said in my last email
Mr. Verhellen.
>
> By the way, I have three generators for sale that will fit your 52.
>
> Your price: $100,000 That's for the one with the broken shaft and bad bearings.
>
> Only the best for a British Airways pilot!
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/14/11, Etienne Verhellen<janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>
>> From: Etienne Verhellen<janie@yak52.fr>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 7:53 PM
>> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>> "Etienne Verhellen"<janie@yak52.fr>
>>
>> 1. Brian is spot on :
>> "I may not like the FAA much but I am *SO* glad I am in the
>> US and not the EU. At least we have only one set of stupid
>> rules we have to deal with".
>> Unfortunately in Europe we have to put up with different
>> rules from one country to another regarding Yak flying
>> :?
>>
>> 2. And my friend Lionel is just proving the point !
>> His nice Yak-52 was registered G-BZJB and maintained under
>> the supervisions of the UK CAA :
>> http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1138672/
>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=BZJB
>> then it went to the "russian" register as RA-3630K :
>> http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22086
>>
>> The reason people buy UK CAA registered Yaks is because
>> they are in good condition.
>>
>> But then they switch to "russian" registrations ... for
>> various reasons ...
>>
>> Richard, I can send you a impressive list of UK registered
>> Yaks that have now transferred to a "russian" registration
>> ...
>>
>> Richard, can you please tell us why the French CAA is not
>> allowing UK registered Yaks in France but is quite happy
>> with "russian" registrations ?
>>
>> And one these Yaks are on the "russian" register, they sort
>> of dissapear ...
>> Page 17 of this document :
>> http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2008/ra-k080504/pdf/ra-k080504.pdf
>> "Sans obligation dappartenir au registre
>> franais des immatriculations, il na pas
>> t possible de dterminer le nombre
>> davions immatriculs
>> RA-xxxxK volant en France". !!!
>> SO, the French CAA has ABSOLUTELY no idea how many
>> "russian" Yaks are based in France !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Well you are the expert but it does not make any sense to
>> me !
>>
>> Lionel, did you find out the reason the engine of your
>> Yak-52 suddently stop in flight over the beach of Arcachon
>> ?? :o
>> http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22125
>> http://arcachon.blogs.sudouest.fr/archive/2011/03/08/arcachon-se-dote-d-une-nouvelle-piste-d-atterrissage.html
>> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/09/l-avion-sur-le-sable-337016-2733.php
>> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/10/arcachon-l-avion-est-toujours-sur-la-plage-338424-2733.php
>> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/11/arcachon-l-avion-evacue-de-la-plage-338555-2733.php
>> Was it a maintenance problem ... or something else ??
>> :?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346402#346402
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition woes |
This is one from out in left field.
Are you absolutely positively sure that you are troubleshooting the correct magneto?
You said that you have a mag drop on the #1 mag and that the #2 is fine.
You have also said you have replaced just about everything to do with that
bad mag. Ok.....
Just for the heck of it, remove the P lead from the mag that you think is the number
one mag. The one with the problem. Now connect an OHM meter between the
P lead wire that you just took off and ground.
Go into the cockpit and operate the mag switch and cycle between the #1 and the
#2 settings.
When you see the ohm meter indicate a direct short to ground, that is the mag you
are turning OFF with the switch position you have selected in the cockpit.
The point here is that you have a left and right mag on the engine. You have a
#1 and a #2 position on the mag switch. Which mag is SUPPOSED to be connected
to the #1 and #2 position on the switches can actually differ from plane to
plane. For example, the switch positions are reversed between the #1 and #2 mags
between the YAK-52 and the YAK-50. It is very easy to reverse those wires
at the mag switch as well. So if you have not already done it, make darn sure
that what you THINK is the #1 mag, is actually INDEED the #1 mag.
Of course always be aware that with the P lead off the mag, you have a HOT MAG,
and any movement of the prop could have serious consequences.
Anyway, this is probably not your problem, but it is darn sure worth checking.
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 9:59 AM
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Richard is right. It does sound like it could be a
> bad coil.
> Typically, coil failures show up between 20 and 40 minutes
> of a flight,
> when the coil gets hot. Tests have proven a bad coil
> will start to
> break down at around 60 Celsius and continue misfiring as
> the
> temperature goes up.
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (cell)
> Skype: Yakguy1
> www.yak-52.com
>
>
> On 7/15/2011 8:47 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> Goode"<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >
> > It sounds to me like a magneto coil-classic symptoms
> of running fine for 30
> > minutes or so then misfiring.
> > You changed a magneto-what about the other?
> > Also,are you sure the coils in the "new" magneto were
> good??
> >
> > Richard Goode
> > Rhodds Farm
> > Lyonshall
> > Hereford
> > HR5 3LW
> >
> > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> > www.russianaeros.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> > Sent: 15 July 2011 14:29
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes
> >
> Savarese"
> > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > What is the brand and model number of the plugs you
> are using?Here's
> > a test you can do.
> >
> > Run the engine until it starts to misfire and
> immediately switch the mag
> > switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let
> it run on that mag
> > for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down
> and using a laser
> > temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every
> cylinder at the
> > same point on each cylinder and write the temps
> down. A good point on
> > the cylinder is just below the base of the spark
> plug.The coldest
> > cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you
> have narrowed it down to
> > the particular cylinder and spark plug. From
> there it can the plug, the
> > wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the
> cap for possible cracks
> > and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me
> a close-up photo of
> > inside the cap. If there is anything unusual,
> I'll be glad to let you
> > know what I see.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > A. Dennis Savarese
> > 334-285-6263
> > 334-546-8182 (cell)
> > Skype: Yakguy1
> > www.yak-52.com
> >
> >
> > On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote:
> >> -->Yak-List message posted
> by: "CJcanuck"<m_kirk69@hotmail.com>
> >>
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| Subject: | NYT article explains problem with Yak List |
I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-assert.html?_r=1
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
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Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List |
What I got out of it is that I am ALWAYS right regardless of any form of re
asonable debate to the contrary.-
-
Yep, you nailed it.-
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-as
sert.html?_r=1
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | NYT article explains problem with Yak List |
Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list
again.
Bye bye
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-4465 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyafct.com/
SKYPE george.coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
What I got out of it is that I am ALWAYS right regardless of any form of
reasonable debate to the contrary.
Yep, you nailed it.
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-ass
ert.html?_r=1
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
<http://us.mc1219.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brian@lloyd.com>
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Sorry if that offended you George, it as meant as a joke.- The article Br
ian referenced basically was saying that "reason" in and of itself was basi
cally "invented" (per se) only to win debate and arguments.- Therefore, e
ven if someone made a reasonable and logical argument on ANY point, the oth
er person could always just claim he was right anyway and that the logic an
d reason had zero bearing.-
-
Which I personally think is somewhat ridiculous.-
-
And yes... it is all B/S.-
-
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, George Coy <george@gesoco.com> wrote:
From: George Coy <george@gesoco.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list
again.
Bye bye
-
-
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-4465 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyafct.com/
SKYPE george.coy
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ronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
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What I got out of it is that I am ALWAYS right regardless of any form of re
asonable debate to the contrary.-
-
Yep, you nailed it.-
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem.
-
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-as
sert.html?_r=1
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM, George Coy <george@gesoco.com> wrote:
> Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list
> again.
>
Bye George. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took everything seriously? Oh,
wait, maybe it would be nice if no one took anything seriously. Hmm ...
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
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| Subject: | Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List |
Brian, regardless of who took what where and why, George Coy is-one of th
e best when it comes to-corporate knowledge of Russian aircraft.-- Hi
s helping others represents the pure purpose of the YAK List.- If the B/S
(of whatever kind) happened to have offended him, I personally am going to
apologize if I was involved, because losing his participation is a very ba
d thing.---
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM, George Coy <george@gesoco.com> wrote:
Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list
again.
Bye George. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took everything seriously? Oh,
wait, maybe it would be nice if no one took anything seriously. Hmm ...
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: Possibly wrong year on FAA paperwork |
Bill,
Not always correct, earlier CJ's were a bit lighter, had better workmanship
,
and were 100% riveted. I personally prefer a 60's CJ to a later aircraft.
In my estimation, for two equally modded/equipped CJ's total
time determines the value, rather than year built. Just my opinion.
Doug
Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
> Until you want to sell. They may like a newer airplane. Newer is more
> valuable.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:23 PM, dabear < <dabear@devere.us>
> dabear@devere.us> wrote:
>
>> Question for the wisdom out there on the yak list.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The paperwork I have for my CJ6A states the aircraft was built in 1977.
>> The logbooks as well as the registration, airworthiness, and program let
ter
>> all say the same date. I=92ve had it for 10 years and never really thou
ght
>> about it. My serial number is 3732023. However, the other day I looke
d up
>> the serial number on the list in =93Red Alert=94 and found that number 2
3 of
>> batch 37 is 1982-3.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Should I worry about changing the year on all that paperwork or leave it
>> alone?
>>
>
> So, how would it change anything? Would the airplane fly differently? In
> other words, are you likely to gain any benefit from making the change?
> OTOH, there is the possibility that something could go wrong during the
> process. So, if you do nothing, the airplane flies the same way and there
is
> no possibility of problem.
>
> The decision seems pretty straight-forward to me. ;-)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> <brian@lloyd.com>brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brian, regardless of who took what where and why, George Coy is one of the
> best when it comes to corporate knowledge of Russian aircraft. His helping
> others represents the pure purpose of the YAK List. If the B/S (of whatever
> kind) happened to have offended him, I personally am going to apologize if I
> was involved, because losing his participation is a very bad thing.
>
I know George is a skillful and knowledgeable person but storming off
because I posted something that was regarding a meta-issue (about how this
list works) seems silly to me.
Personally, I am pedantic. I am both literal and accurate to a fault, even
when it a) doesn't matter, and b) is annoying. That is just my personality
fault. And, at 57, I find that I care much less than I used to if this
bothers people. Sorry.
But that posting does go a long way toward explaining things on this list.
Every list has its own personality and I stamped this list with part of my
personality way back when I started it. I used to bait Mike McCoy just for
fun, to the annoyance (and occasional pleasure) of one and all. Of course,
he did leave himself open by taking EVERYTHING seriously. That article went
right to the heart of my own behavior and I know that there was more than
one person on the list who was nodding and muttering, "yeah, that's Brian."
:-)
So if George wants to stomp off, that is OK. It is his privilege. FWIW I am
probably go to leave pretty soon too. I came back to see if anyone wants to
purchase my project. And I can't seem to let platitudes go unchallenged. I
realize that annoys people so I won't keep bugging you.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | NYT article explains problem with Yak List |
Hi George,
Myself, and I am sure many others, wish you didn't leave our List... After
all, with the exception of the occasional (recently much) BS, this List is
very valuable to all the 'Lister' with your input ranking way up there in
valueand importance to all of us.
When BS/Crap comes up on the list, I make full use of the "Delete" button
and just flush it... :)
Please consider staying and doing the same with any future List crap...
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
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Mark,
FWIW,
In general, I believe it is very positive when people praise others for how
good they are and what good they do as opposed to praise themselves.
I think your response below is very honorable and sensitive to George Coy
and to his contribution to the List and to the YAK/CJ world at large - I
appreciate it and I hope George will read it and re-join us on this List.
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List
Brian, regardless of who took what where and why, George Coy is one of the
best when it comes to corporate knowledge of Russian aircraft. His helping
others represents the pure purpose of the YAK List. If the B/S (of whatever
kind) happened to have offended him, I personally am going to apologize if I
was involved, because losing his participation is a very bad thing.
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Mr Bitterlich is probably suffering from "confirmation bias" [Laughing]
I never wrote that one Register for Yaks in Europe was better than another one.
I was merely pointing out at the INCONSISTENCIES !
A example : to fly a UK registered Yak with a UK CAA Permit to Fly issued by the
UK CAA, in Belgium, you need :
1. to obtain a "Temporary permission to fly over Belgium territory" every year.
2. to pay 89 Euros every year.
3. you are limited to 30 days of flying per year.
4. "each flight has to be notified in advance".
5. "the permission must be carried on board of the aircraft"
To fly a "FLA registered" Yak with a "special" FLA "Certificate of Airworthiness"
( Non ICAO Annex 8 ), in Belgium, you need :
1. nothing !
2. no restriction !
A UK friend of mine who intends to visit us in Belgium with his UK registered Yak
52 has just asked the Belgian CAA why this difference in treatment ? Watch
this space !
Isn't it time national aviation authorities agreed on common standards to maintain
and operate Yaks in Europe ?
Or as a minimum, accept each others Permit to Fly / RESTRICTED C of A.
We all know that Mr Bitterlich can be quite opinionated but I can certainly live
with that [Exclamation]
And the fact that he does not want to sell his generators to me :D
George, please stay on the list. 8)
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/fla_certificate_of_airworthiness_249.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
Hi Chris,
what is dive bottle air, 80 percent nitrogen and 20 percent oxygen ? How much water
can be in a refill of very few litres of air from a dive bottle provided
the bottle was filled in controlled conditions ? So we decided it was not worthwhile
to go for pure nitrogen.
Basically silicone grease is a great lubricant for rubber or plastics and I use
it in some places in the actuating cylinders . Or otherwise a heavy lithium
grease for the bronce bushes in the landing gear and the ball locks in the actuators.
We did a complete landing gear overhaul last winter and found that excessive
wear in the bronce bushes showed in the scuffed anodised aluminium bushes.
The original felt "seals" cannot keep the dirt out and the grease in the
strut so I replaced them by seals used in hydraulic systems. A wiper seal keeps
dirt out and an o-ring keeps the grease inside. Id strongly suggest to do this
mod but this may be too late in your case. The action of the landing gear on
the ground is a bit stiff still, could be the grease and new bushes. But the
unpressurized strut moved smoothly so I suspect with 20 bar in the system the
o-rings produce a lot of friction.
The original damper valve has no springs so this creates a lot of backlash and
knocking noise on rough airfields, so I did another mod to cure this. But this
year still no real test on rough ground done to report.
Cheers
Vic
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| Subject: | Yak 55 fuel gauge sight glass |
Long shot, but looking for one (or two) Yak 55 fuel gauge sight glass assemblies.
Anyone that has any info please contact me at panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Joe Enzminger
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
=0A=0A=0AMr Verhellen,-=0A=0APlease stop with your bullshit?=0AIf you hav
e a dispute with some people, then do it off-list.=0AIt's not amusing.=0A
=0A=0AJochen
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