---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/15/11: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - (ET) 2. 03:52 AM - Ignition woes (CJcanuck) 3. 05:19 AM - Re: Ignition woes (Dale) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: Ignition woes (A. Dennis Savarese) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: Ignition woes (Richard Goode) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: Ignition woes (A. Dennis Savarese) 7. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Yak Pilot) 8. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (A. Dennis Savarese) 9. 07:34 AM - Re: Ignition woes (Yak Pilot) 10. 08:18 AM - NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Brian Lloyd) 11. 08:33 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Yak Pilot) 12. 08:43 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (George Coy) 13. 09:10 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Yak Pilot) 14. 09:18 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Brian Lloyd) 15. 09:43 AM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Yak Pilot) 16. 10:00 AM - Re: Possibly wrong year on FAA paperwork (doug sapp) 17. 12:50 PM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Brian Lloyd) 18. 03:18 PM - Re: NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Sam Sax) 19. 03:43 PM - NYT article explains problem with Yak List (Sam Sax) 20. 05:06 PM - Re: European registration/certification (Etienne Verhellen) 21. 05:39 PM - Re: Undercarriage (Vic) 22. 09:22 PM - Yak 55 fuel gauge sight glass (Joe Enzminger) 23. 11:27 PM - Fw: Re: European registration/certification (Jochen Peiper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:31 AM PST US From: ET http://www.jaynine.com/camy.htm ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:27 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Ignition woes From: "CJcanuck" I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation. Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the #1 position (#2 is fine). We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of the mag. Where should we go from here? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:25 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Ignition woes From: "Dale" since you changed over to auto plugs you might want to see if they are carbon fouling. if your mixture is on the rich side the back plugs might be carbon fouling. look at the plugs , should be a tan color. if any black or dark color then they are carbon fouling. check them against the front plugs carefully as there is a fine line between fowling and still working. For kicks you can put a hotter plug in just one cly to see if they change. The one to foul fastest is the number 6 as it gets the lions share of the fuel charge due to the supercharger design and carb placement. The exhaust pipe should be the same color as the plugs if all is running right so a black exhaust is over rich as well. Sometime the auto plugs when they get hot misfire if they have a cracked insulator or defect as well , dropped or hit with the wrench. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346482#346482 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:24 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes What is the brand and model number of the plugs you are using? Here's a test you can do. Run the engine until it starts to misfire and immediately switch the mag switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let it run on that mag for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down and using a laser temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every cylinder at the same point on each cylinder and write the temps down. A good point on the cylinder is just below the base of the spark plug. The coldest cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you have narrowed it down to the particular cylinder and spark plug. From there it can the plug, the wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the cap for possible cracks and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me a close-up photo of inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, I'll be glad to let you know what I see. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck" > > I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation. Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the #1 position (#2 is fine). > > We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of the mag. Where should we go from here? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:30 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ignition woes It sounds to me like a magneto coil-classic symptoms of running fine for 30 minutes or so then misfiring. You changed a magneto-what about the other? Also,are you sure the coils in the "new" magneto were good?? Richard Goode Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: 15 July 2011 14:29 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes What is the brand and model number of the plugs you are using? Here's a test you can do. Run the engine until it starts to misfire and immediately switch the mag switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let it run on that mag for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down and using a laser temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every cylinder at the same point on each cylinder and write the temps down. A good point on the cylinder is just below the base of the spark plug. The coldest cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you have narrowed it down to the particular cylinder and spark plug. From there it can the plug, the wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the cap for possible cracks and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me a close-up photo of inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, I'll be glad to let you know what I see. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck" > > I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation. Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the #1 position (#2 is fine). > > We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of the mag. Where should we go from here? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472 > > ----------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner and is believed to be clean. http://www.invictawiz.com ----------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:38 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes Richard is right. It does sound like it could be a bad coil. Typically, coil failures show up between 20 and 40 minutes of a flight, when the coil gets hot. Tests have proven a bad coil will start to break down at around 60 Celsius and continue misfiring as the temperature goes up. A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 7/15/2011 8:47 AM, Richard Goode wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" > > It sounds to me like a magneto coil-classic symptoms of running fine for 30 > minutes or so then misfiring. > You changed a magneto-what about the other? > Also,are you sure the coils in the "new" magneto were good?? > > Richard Goode > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese > Sent: 15 July 2011 14:29 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > > > What is the brand and model number of the plugs you are using? Here's > a test you can do. > > Run the engine until it starts to misfire and immediately switch the mag > switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let it run on that mag > for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down and using a laser > temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every cylinder at the > same point on each cylinder and write the temps down. A good point on > the cylinder is just below the base of the spark plug. The coldest > cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you have narrowed it down to > the particular cylinder and spark plug. From there it can the plug, the > wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the cap for possible cracks > and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me a close-up photo of > inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, I'll be glad to let you > know what I see. > > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck" >> >> I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing an ignition issue that first > appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy precipitation. > Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, with the proper mag > drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine begins to run > noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then show a 300-500rpm drop on the > #1 position (#2 is fine). >> We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, had a new mag > installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground plate on the bottom of > the mag. Where should we go from here? >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner > and is believed to be clean. > http://www.invictawiz.com > ----------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:13 AM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification You are doing an EXCELLENT job of proving everything I said in my last email Mr. Verhellen. By the way, I have three generators for sale that will fit your 52. Your price: $100,000 That's for the one with the broken shaft and bad bearings. Only the best for a British Airways pilot! --- On Thu, 7/14/11, Etienne Verhellen wrote: > From: Etienne Verhellen > Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 7:53 PM > "Etienne Verhellen" > > 1. Brian is spot on : > "I may not like the FAA much but I am *SO* glad I am in the > US and not the EU. At least we have only one set of stupid > rules we have to deal with". > Unfortunately in Europe we have to put up with different > rules from one country to another regarding Yak flying > :? > > 2. And my friend Lionel is just proving the point ! > His nice Yak-52 was registered G-BZJB and maintained under > the supervisions of the UK CAA : > http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1138672/ > http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=BZJB > then it went to the "russian" register as RA-3630K : > http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22086 > > The reason people buy UK CAA registered Yaks is because > they are in good condition. > > But then they switch to "russian" registrations ... for > various reasons ... > > Richard, I can send you a impressive list of UK registered > Yaks that have now transferred to a "russian" registration > ... > > Richard, can you please tell us why the French CAA is not > allowing UK registered Yaks in France but is quite happy > with "russian" registrations ? > > And one these Yaks are on the "russian" register, they sort > of dissapear ... > Page 17 of this document : > http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2008/ra-k080504/pdf/ra-k080504.pdf > "Sans obligation dappartenir au registre > franais des immatriculations, il na pas > t possible de dterminer le nombre > davions immatriculs > RA-xxxxK volant en France". !!! > SO, the French CAA has ABSOLUTELY no idea how many > "russian" Yaks are based in France !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Well you are the expert but it does not make any sense to > me ! > > Lionel, did you find out the reason the engine of your > Yak-52 suddently stop in flight over the beach of Arcachon > ??:o > http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22125 > http://arcachon.blogs.sudouest.fr/archive/2011/03/08/arcachon-se-dote-d-une-nouvelle-piste-d-atterrissage.html > http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/09/l-avion-sur-le-sable-337016-2733.php > http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/10/arcachon-l-avion-est-toujours-sur-la-plage-338424-2733.php > http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/11/arcachon-l-avion-evacue-de-la-plage-338555-2733.php > Was it a maintenance problem ... or something else ?? > :? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346402#346402 > > > > > > > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:13 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification Mark, Can I get a discount if I buy all 3? :-))) A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 7/15/2011 9:08 AM, Yak Pilot wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Yak Pilot > > You are doing an EXCELLENT job of proving everything I said in my last email Mr. Verhellen. > > By the way, I have three generators for sale that will fit your 52. > > Your price: $100,000 That's for the one with the broken shaft and bad bearings. > > Only the best for a British Airways pilot! > > > --- On Thu, 7/14/11, Etienne Verhellen wrote: > >> From: Etienne Verhellen >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 7:53 PM >> --> Yak-List message posted by: >> "Etienne Verhellen" >> >> 1. Brian is spot on : >> "I may not like the FAA much but I am *SO* glad I am in the >> US and not the EU. At least we have only one set of stupid >> rules we have to deal with". >> Unfortunately in Europe we have to put up with different >> rules from one country to another regarding Yak flying >> :? >> >> 2. And my friend Lionel is just proving the point ! >> His nice Yak-52 was registered G-BZJB and maintained under >> the supervisions of the UK CAA : >> http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1138672/ >> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=BZJB >> then it went to the "russian" register as RA-3630K : >> http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22086 >> >> The reason people buy UK CAA registered Yaks is because >> they are in good condition. >> >> But then they switch to "russian" registrations ... for >> various reasons ... >> >> Richard, I can send you a impressive list of UK registered >> Yaks that have now transferred to a "russian" registration >> ... >> >> Richard, can you please tell us why the French CAA is not >> allowing UK registered Yaks in France but is quite happy >> with "russian" registrations ? >> >> And one these Yaks are on the "russian" register, they sort >> of dissapear ... >> Page 17 of this document : >> http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2008/ra-k080504/pdf/ra-k080504.pdf >> "Sans obligation dappartenir au registre >> franais des immatriculations, il na pas >> t possible de dterminer le nombre >> davions immatriculs >> RA-xxxxK volant en France". !!! >> SO, the French CAA has ABSOLUTELY no idea how many >> "russian" Yaks are based in France !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Well you are the expert but it does not make any sense to >> me ! >> >> Lionel, did you find out the reason the engine of your >> Yak-52 suddently stop in flight over the beach of Arcachon >> ?? :o >> http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=22125 >> http://arcachon.blogs.sudouest.fr/archive/2011/03/08/arcachon-se-dote-d-une-nouvelle-piste-d-atterrissage.html >> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/09/l-avion-sur-le-sable-337016-2733.php >> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/10/arcachon-l-avion-est-toujours-sur-la-plage-338424-2733.php >> http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/03/11/arcachon-l-avion-evacue-de-la-plage-338555-2733.php >> Was it a maintenance problem ... or something else ?? >> :? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346402#346402 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:49 AM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes This is one from out in left field. Are you absolutely positively sure that you are troubleshooting the correct magneto? You said that you have a mag drop on the #1 mag and that the #2 is fine. You have also said you have replaced just about everything to do with that bad mag. Ok..... Just for the heck of it, remove the P lead from the mag that you think is the number one mag. The one with the problem. Now connect an OHM meter between the P lead wire that you just took off and ground. Go into the cockpit and operate the mag switch and cycle between the #1 and the #2 settings. When you see the ohm meter indicate a direct short to ground, that is the mag you are turning OFF with the switch position you have selected in the cockpit. The point here is that you have a left and right mag on the engine. You have a #1 and a #2 position on the mag switch. Which mag is SUPPOSED to be connected to the #1 and #2 position on the switches can actually differ from plane to plane. For example, the switch positions are reversed between the #1 and #2 mags between the YAK-52 and the YAK-50. It is very easy to reverse those wires at the mag switch as well. So if you have not already done it, make darn sure that what you THINK is the #1 mag, is actually INDEED the #1 mag. Of course always be aware that with the P lead off the mag, you have a HOT MAG, and any movement of the prop could have serious consequences. Anyway, this is probably not your problem, but it is darn sure worth checking. --- On Fri, 7/15/11, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > From: A. Dennis Savarese > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 9:59 AM > "A. Dennis Savarese" > > Richard is right. It does sound like it could be a > bad coil. > Typically, coil failures show up between 20 and 40 minutes > of a flight, > when the coil gets hot. Tests have proven a bad coil > will start to > break down at around 60 Celsius and continue misfiring as > the > temperature goes up. > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 7/15/2011 8:47 AM, Richard Goode wrote: > Goode" > > > > It sounds to me like a magneto coil-classic symptoms > of running fine for 30 > > minutes or so then misfiring. > > You changed a magneto-what about the other? > > Also,are you sure the coils in the "new" magneto were > good?? > > > > Richard Goode > > Rhodds Farm > > Lyonshall > > Hereford > > HR5 3LW > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > > www.russianaeros.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese > > Sent: 15 July 2011 14:29 > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ignition woes > > > Savarese" > > > > > > What is the brand and model number of the plugs you > are using?Here's > > a test you can do. > > > > Run the engine until it starts to misfire and > immediately switch the mag > > switch to the mag position that is misfiring and let > it run on that mag > > for 10 or so minutes. Then shut the engine down > and using a laser > > temperature sensor, "shoot" the temperature of every > cylinder at the > > same point on each cylinder and write the temps > down. A good point on > > the cylinder is just below the base of the spark > plug.The coldest > > cylinder is the one that is misfiring. Now you > have narrowed it down to > > the particular cylinder and spark plug. From > there it can the plug, the > > wire or the magneto cap. Also check inside the > cap for possible cracks > > and carbon traces. If you want, you can send me > a close-up photo of > > inside the cap. If there is anything unusual, > I'll be glad to let you > > know what I see. > > > > Dennis > > > > A. Dennis Savarese > > 334-285-6263 > > 334-546-8182 (cell) > > Skype: Yakguy1 > > www.yak-52.com > > > > > > On 7/15/2011 5:50 AM, CJcanuck wrote: > >> -->Yak-List message posted > by: "CJcanuck" > >> > >> I'm at my wits end here. I've been chasing > an ignition issue that first > > appeared when the aircraft was flown into some heavy > precipitation. > > Basically we have a smooth running engine on start-up, > with the proper mag > > drop and everything, but after 30 min or so the engine > begins to run > > noticeably rough. Checking the mags will then > show a 300-500rpm drop on the > > #1 position (#2 is fine). > >> We've installed Barry Hancock's auto-ignition kit, > had a new mag > > installed, replaced the P-wire connector and ground > plate on the bottom of > > the mag. Where should we go from here? > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346472#346472 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner > > and is believed to be clean. > > http://www.invictawiz.com > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:29 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List From: Brian Lloyd I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-assert.html?_r=1 -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:57 AM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List What I got out of it is that I am ALWAYS right regardless of any form of re asonable debate to the contrary.- - Yep, you nailed it.- --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd wrote: From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-as sert.html?_r=1 -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:21 AM PST US From: "George Coy" Subject: RE: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list again. Bye bye George Coy CAS Ltd. 714 Airport Rd. Swanton VT 05488 802-868-5633 off 802-363-5782 cell 802-868-4465 Fax george.coy@gmail.com http://coyafct.com/ SKYPE george.coy From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List What I got out of it is that I am ALWAYS right regardless of any form of reasonable debate to the contrary. Yep, you nailed it. --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd wrote: From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-ass ert.html?_r=1 -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) et=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:56 AM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: RE: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Sorry if that offended you George, it as meant as a joke.- The article Br ian referenced basically was saying that "reason" in and of itself was basi cally "invented" (per se) only to win debate and arguments.- Therefore, e ven if someone made a reasonable and logical argument on ANY point, the oth er person could always just claim he was right anyway and that the logic an d reason had zero bearing.- - Which I personally think is somewhat ridiculous.- - And yes... it is all B/S.- - --- On Fri, 7/15/11, George Coy wrote: From: George Coy Subject: RE: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list again. Bye bye - - George Coy CAS Ltd. 714 Airport Rd. Swanton VT 05488 802-868-5633 off 802-363-5782 cell 802-868-4465 Fax george.coy@gmail.com http://coyafct.com/ SKYPE george.coy - From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List - What I got out of it is that I am ALWAYS right regardless of any form of re asonable debate to the contrary.- - Yep, you nailed it.- --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd wrote: From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List I knew that, eventually, someone would figure out the problem. - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-as sert.html?_r=1 -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) - -et=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Yak-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel= nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/c ontribution - ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List From: Brian Lloyd On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM, George Coy wrote: > Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list > again. > Bye George. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took everything seriously? Oh, wait, maybe it would be nice if no one took anything seriously. Hmm ... -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:36 AM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Brian, regardless of who took what where and why, George Coy is-one of th e best when it comes to-corporate knowledge of Russian aircraft.-- Hi s helping others represents the pure purpose of the YAK List.- If the B/S (of whatever kind) happened to have offended him, I personally am going to apologize if I was involved, because losing his participation is a very ba d thing.--- --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Brian Lloyd wrote: From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM, George Coy wrote: Well guys this kind of BS on list has caused me to decide to leave the list again. Bye George. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took everything seriously? Oh, wait, maybe it would be nice if no one took anything seriously. Hmm ... -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Possibly wrong year on FAA paperwork From: doug sapp Bill, Not always correct, earlier CJ's were a bit lighter, had better workmanship , and were 100% riveted. I personally prefer a 60's CJ to a later aircraft. In my estimation, for two equally modded/equipped CJ's total time determines the value, rather than year built. Just my opinion. Doug Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Bill Geipel wrote: > Until you want to sell. They may like a newer airplane. Newer is more > valuable. > > Bill > > > On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:23 PM, dabear < > dabear@devere.us> wrote: > >> Question for the wisdom out there on the yak list.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The paperwork I have for my CJ6A states the aircraft was built in 1977. >> The logbooks as well as the registration, airworthiness, and program let ter >> all say the same date. I=92ve had it for 10 years and never really thou ght >> about it. My serial number is 3732023. However, the other day I looke d up >> the serial number on the list in =93Red Alert=94 and found that number 2 3 of >> batch 37 is 1982-3.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Should I worry about changing the year on all that paperwork or leave it >> alone? >> > > So, how would it change anything? Would the airplane fly differently? In > other words, are you likely to gain any benefit from making the change? > OTOH, there is the possibility that something could go wrong during the > process. So, if you do nothing, the airplane flies the same way and there is > no possibility of problem. > > The decision seems pretty straight-forward to me. ;-) > > -- > Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL > 3191 Western Dr. > Cameron Park, CA 95682 > brian@lloyd.com > +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) > +1.916.877.5067 (USA) > > * > > ======================== > ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Yak-List > ======================== ===========ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics .com > ======================== ===========http://www.matronics.com/contribution">htt p://www.matronics.com/contribution > ======================== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List From: Brian Lloyd On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Yak Pilot wrote: > Brian, regardless of who took what where and why, George Coy is one of the > best when it comes to corporate knowledge of Russian aircraft. His helping > others represents the pure purpose of the YAK List. If the B/S (of whatever > kind) happened to have offended him, I personally am going to apologize if I > was involved, because losing his participation is a very bad thing. > I know George is a skillful and knowledgeable person but storming off because I posted something that was regarding a meta-issue (about how this list works) seems silly to me. Personally, I am pedantic. I am both literal and accurate to a fault, even when it a) doesn't matter, and b) is annoying. That is just my personality fault. And, at 57, I find that I care much less than I used to if this bothers people. Sorry. But that posting does go a long way toward explaining things on this list. Every list has its own personality and I stamped this list with part of my personality way back when I started it. I used to bait Mike McCoy just for fun, to the annoyance (and occasional pleasure) of one and all. Of course, he did leave himself open by taking EVERYTHING seriously. That article went right to the heart of my own behavior and I know that there was more than one person on the list who was nodding and muttering, "yeah, that's Brian." :-) So if George wants to stomp off, that is OK. It is his privilege. FWIW I am probably go to leave pretty soon too. I came back to see if anyone wants to purchase my project. And I can't seem to let platitudes go unchallenged. I realize that annoys people so I won't keep bugging you. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:21 PM PST US From: "Sam Sax" Subject: RE: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Hi George, Myself, and I am sure many others, wish you didn't leave our List... After all, with the exception of the occasional (recently much) BS, this List is very valuable to all the 'Lister' with your input ranking way up there in valueand importance to all of us. When BS/Crap comes up on the list, I make full use of the "Delete" button and just flush it... :) Please consider staying and doing the same with any future List crap... Sam Sax Miami, FL ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:55 PM PST US From: "Sam Sax" Subject: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Mark, FWIW, In general, I believe it is very positive when people praise others for how good they are and what good they do as opposed to praise themselves. I think your response below is very honorable and sensitive to George Coy and to his contribution to the List and to the YAK/CJ world at large - I appreciate it and I hope George will read it and re-join us on this List. Sam Sax Miami, FL From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: NYT article explains problem with Yak List Brian, regardless of who took what where and why, George Coy is one of the best when it comes to corporate knowledge of Russian aircraft. His helping others represents the pure purpose of the YAK List. If the B/S (of whatever kind) happened to have offended him, I personally am going to apologize if I was involved, because losing his participation is a very bad thing. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:34 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification From: "Etienne Verhellen" Mr Bitterlich is probably suffering from "confirmation bias" [Laughing] I never wrote that one Register for Yaks in Europe was better than another one. I was merely pointing out at the INCONSISTENCIES ! A example : to fly a UK registered Yak with a UK CAA Permit to Fly issued by the UK CAA, in Belgium, you need : 1. to obtain a "Temporary permission to fly over Belgium territory" every year. 2. to pay 89 Euros every year. 3. you are limited to 30 days of flying per year. 4. "each flight has to be notified in advance". 5. "the permission must be carried on board of the aircraft" To fly a "FLA registered" Yak with a "special" FLA "Certificate of Airworthiness" ( Non ICAO Annex 8 ), in Belgium, you need : 1. nothing ! 2. no restriction ! A UK friend of mine who intends to visit us in Belgium with his UK registered Yak 52 has just asked the Belgian CAA why this difference in treatment ? Watch this space ! Isn't it time national aviation authorities agreed on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe ? Or as a minimum, accept each others Permit to Fly / RESTRICTED C of A. We all know that Mr Bitterlich can be quite opinionated but I can certainly live with that [Exclamation] And the fact that he does not want to sell his generators to me :D George, please stay on the list. 8) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346600#346600 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/autorisation_dgta_2011_2012_181.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/attestation_dgta__navigabilit_yak_52_g_cbss_755.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/fla_certificate_of_airworthiness_249.pdf ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:28 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Undercarriage From: "Vic" Hi Chris, what is dive bottle air, 80 percent nitrogen and 20 percent oxygen ? How much water can be in a refill of very few litres of air from a dive bottle provided the bottle was filled in controlled conditions ? So we decided it was not worthwhile to go for pure nitrogen. Basically silicone grease is a great lubricant for rubber or plastics and I use it in some places in the actuating cylinders . Or otherwise a heavy lithium grease for the bronce bushes in the landing gear and the ball locks in the actuators. We did a complete landing gear overhaul last winter and found that excessive wear in the bronce bushes showed in the scuffed anodised aluminium bushes. The original felt "seals" cannot keep the dirt out and the grease in the strut so I replaced them by seals used in hydraulic systems. A wiper seal keeps dirt out and an o-ring keeps the grease inside. Id strongly suggest to do this mod but this may be too late in your case. The action of the landing gear on the ground is a bit stiff still, could be the grease and new bushes. But the unpressurized strut moved smoothly so I suspect with 20 bar in the system the o-rings produce a lot of friction. The original damper valve has no springs so this creates a lot of backlash and knocking noise on rough airfields, so I did another mod to cure this. But this year still no real test on rough ground done to report. Cheers Vic Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346609#346609 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040651_487.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040677_379.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:53 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55 fuel gauge sight glass From: "Joe Enzminger" Long shot, but looking for one (or two) Yak 55 fuel gauge sight glass assemblies. Anyone that has any info please contact me at panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com Thanks, Joe Enzminger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346624#346624 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:57 PM PST US From: Jochen Peiper Subject: Fw: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification =0A=0A=0AMr Verhellen,-=0A=0APlease stop with your bullshit?=0AIf you hav e a dispute with some people, then do it off-list.=0AIt's not amusing.=0A =0A=0AJochen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.