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1. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Eric Wobschall)
2. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Richard Goode)
3. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Eric Wobschall)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Roger Baker)
5. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Eric Wobschall)
6. 10:15 AM - Yaklist Re: How many 18t's (Frank Stelwagon)
7. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Roger Baker)
9. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Roger Baker)
10. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Eric Wobschall)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Roger Baker)
12. 02:39 PM - fuel flow from tanks (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
13. 03:35 PM - Re: fuel flow from tanks (CD 2.0)
14. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: How many 18T's (Eric Wobschall)
15. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: fuel flow from tanks (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
16. 06:15 PM - Re: fuel flow from tanks (CD 2.0)
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US. There
must be a couple, though.
On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
> New Zealand
>
> 1 - 18T
> 16 - 52's
> 2 - 55's
>
> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
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> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>
>
> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
> [Evil or Very Mad]
> Back to topic
> In SA we have 8
> France :3
> Germany :10
> Austria:1
> UK must have ,Richard?
> Aus :How many Chris?
> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
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> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during aero's
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
One reason that there are fewer 18T's than one might expect for such a fine
plane is that they are difficult to ship in that the fuselage,with wings off
is too wide for a container and so one has to make a special jig with the
centre-section stub sticking out of the top of an open "high-top" container
so all quite expensive!!
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
Sent: 24 July 2011 14:39
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US. There must
be a couple, though.
On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
New Zealand
1 - 18T
16 - 52's
2 - 55's
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
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And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
[Evil or Very Mad]
Back to topic
In SA we have 8
France :3
Germany :10
Austria:1
UK must have ,Richard?
Aus :How many Chris?
Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during aero's
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
That explains it.
On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> One reason that there are fewer 18T=92s than one might expect for such
a fine plane is that they are difficult to ship in that the
fuselage,with wings off is too wide for a container and so one has to
make a special jig with the centre-section stub sticking out of the top
of an open =93high-top=94 container so all quite expensive!!
>
>
>
> Richard Goode
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall
> Sent: 24 July 2011 14:39
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>
> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US. There
must be a couple, though.
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>
>
> New Zealand
>
> 1 - 18T
> 16 - 52's
> 2 - 55's
>
> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>
> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
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> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
> [Evil or Very Mad]
> Back to topic
> In SA we have 8
> France :3
> Germany :10
> Austria:1
> UK must have ,Richard?
> Aus :How many Chris?
> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>
>
> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during aero's
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and Vladimir Yas
tremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
Roger Baker
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com> wrote:
> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US. There mus
t be a couple, though.
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>
>> New Zealand
>>
>> 1 - 18T
>> 16 - 52's
>> 2 - 55's
>>
>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>
>>
>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>> Back to topic
>> In SA we have 8
>> France :3
>> Germany :10
>> Austria:1
>> UK must have ,Richard?
>> Aus :How many Chris?
>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>
>>
>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during aero's
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
Whoa. San Diego has had a lot of Yaks. My first 52 came from there, and
I know there were several new ones imported at the same time mine was. I
think that's also where Jill and Carl were before they were in Kingman,
and Leon N. was there last time I knew.
On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
> There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and
Vladimir Yastremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
>
> Roger Baker
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
wrote:
>
>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
There must be a couple, though.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>
>>> New Zealand
>>>
>>> 1 - 18T
>>> 16 - 52's
>>> 2 - 55's
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
>>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>>> Back to topic
>>> In SA we have 8
>>> France :3
>>> Germany :10
>>> Austria:1
>>> UK must have ,Richard?
>>> Aus :How many Chris?
>>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>>
>>>
>>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during
aero's
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yaklist Re: How many 18t's |
I have seen a gorgeous red 18T come into Reid HillView (San Jose,CA)
several times. Don't know where it is based.
Frank CJ6-A
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
Just like shipping a CJ6. Overland transportation is outrageously
expensive.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 7/24/2011 11:06 AM, Eric Wobschall wrote:
> That explains it.
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
>
>> One reason that there are fewer 18Ts than one might expect for such
>> a fine plane is that they are difficult to ship in that the
>> fuselage,with wings off is too wide for a container and so one has to
>> make a special jig with the centre-section stub sticking out of the
>> top of an open high-top container so all quite expensive!!
>> Richard Goode
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com>
>> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]*On
>> Behalf Of*Eric Wobschall
>> *Sent:*24 July 2011 14:39
>> *To:*yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:*Re: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
>> There must be a couple, though.
>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>
>>
>> New Zealand
>>
>> 1 - 18T
>> 16 - 52's
>> 2 - 55's
>>
>> --- On*Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas/<riaan@golfcartpro.co.za
>> <mailto:riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>>/*wrote:
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>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za <mailto:riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>> To:yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
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>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>> Back to topic
>> In SA we have 8
>> France :3
>> Germany :10
>> Austria:1
>> UK must have ,Richard?
>> Aus :How many Chris?
>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>
>>
>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during aero's
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
Eric,
You're right! In the San Diego area these days are:
5 18T's
3 50's
9 52's
Roger Baker
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On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Eric Wobschall wrote:
> Whoa. San Diego has had a lot of Yaks. My first 52 came from there,
and I know there were several new ones imported at the same time mine
was. I think that's also where Jill and Carl were before they were in
Kingman, and Leon N. was there last time I knew.
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
>
>> There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and
Vladimir Yastremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
>>
>> Roger Baker
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
There must be a couple, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>>
>>>> New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> 1 - 18T
>>>> 16 - 52's
>>>> 2 - 55's
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
>>>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>>>> Back to topic
>>>> In SA we have 8
>>>> France :3
>>>> Germany :10
>>>> Austria:1
>>>> UK must have ,Richard?
>>>> Aus :How many Chris?
>>>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during
aero's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: How many 18T's |
In addition to the five I mentioned in my previous post, the US Civil
Registry shows 14 Yakovlev 18T's (which includes the 2 flyers I
mentioned)...plus 2 more registered as Yak 18T's. If the FAA list is
correct, that would indicate that there are 19 in the USA.
Roger Baker
On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Roger Baker wrote:
> There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and
Vladimir Yastremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
>
> Roger Baker
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
wrote:
>
>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
There must be a couple, though.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>
>>> New Zealand
>>>
>>> 1 - 18T
>>> 16 - 52's
>>> 2 - 55's
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
>>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>>> Back to topic
>>> In SA we have 8
>>> France :3
>>> Germany :10
>>> Austria:1
>>> UK must have ,Richard?
>>> Aus :How many Chris?
>>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>>
>>>
>>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during
aero's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
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Plus the weather is so damn good every single day.
On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
> In addition to the five I mentioned in my previous post, the US Civil
Registry shows 14 Yakovlev 18T's (which includes the 2 flyers I
mentioned)...plus 2 more registered as Yak 18T's. If the FAA list is
correct, that would indicate that there are 19 in the USA.
>
> Roger Baker
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Roger Baker wrote:
>
>> There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and
Vladimir Yastremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
>>
>> Roger Baker
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
There must be a couple, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>>
>>>> New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> 1 - 18T
>>>> 16 - 52's
>>>> 2 - 55's
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent post??
>>>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>>>> Back to topic
>>>> In SA we have 8
>>>> France :3
>>>> Germany :10
>>>> Austria:1
>>>> UK must have ,Richard?
>>>> Aus :How many Chris?
>>>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during
aero's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>
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onics.com/Navigator?Yak-; a href="http://forums.matronics.com"
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I don't know about that.
It can get really cold here.
I remember one night two or three years ago, it got all the way down
into the 40's.
____________________________________________________________
On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Eric Wobschall wrote:
> Plus the weather is so damn good every single day.
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
>
>> In addition to the five I mentioned in my previous post, the US Civil
Registry shows 14 Yakovlev 18T's (which includes the 2 flyers I
mentioned)...plus 2 more registered as Yak 18T's. If the FAA list is
correct, that would indicate that there are 19 in the USA.
>>
>> Roger Baker
>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Roger Baker wrote:
>>
>>> There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and
Vladimir Yastremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
>>>
>>> Roger Baker
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall
<eric@buffaloskyline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
There must be a couple, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> New Zealand
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 - 18T
>>>>> 16 - 52's
>>>>> 2 - 55's
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>>>>
<riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>>>>
>>>>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent
post??
>>>>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>>>>> Back to topic
>>>>> In SA we have 8
>>>>> France :3
>>>>> Germany :10
>>>>> Austria:1
>>>>> UK must have ,Richard?
>>>>> Aus :How many Chris?
>>>>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during
aero's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
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onics.com/Navigator?Yak-; a href="http://forums.matronics.com"
target="_blank">http://forums.matr - List Contribution Web
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dba PEC AirAssist
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760/730-9244
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Good morning all,
The fuel tank gremlins have struck again. I need some guidance.
Yesterday's flight (now 3 days ago):
1983 CJ 6A, no mods to the fuel system.straight and level flight, temps in
the mid 80's, flying 2-3 thousand feet AGL, (avg elevation 1000 ft.), slight
headwind on the nose, 155 lb pilot, no GIB.
No squawks on my outbound flight.fairly equal fuel usage from both tanks.
I refilled upon arrival at my destination.the plane sat for 6 hours in the
sun. Only squawk on taxi out was that the right brake was locked up.a little
S turn on the ramp fixed that.but let me get to the issue.
On my return flight, the left tank was drawn down to 1.0 on the gauge (16.5
gallon when I later refueled). The right tank showed between 5 and 6
favoring the 6 (4.0 gallons used). I tried the shake the plane in flight,
crabbing to the right and to a lesser degree tipping my left wing down.
nothing cured the issue. I somehow suspect that there is a "pilot error"
involved here, I just can't figure it out.
Q 1: Has anyone else experienced this?
Q 2: Has anyone run out of fuel in the left tank and NOT been able to get
adequate fuel flowing from the right tank?
All of this is not new.but the approach to final with little fuel in one
tank and lots in the other is scaring the pants off me.
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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Robert, I believe is called uneven wing tank feeding. This tendency has been with
the CJ's since discovered on its initial test flight in China.
As with any aircraft, fuel balance should be closely monitored which you did as
you explained.
The first thing to do is to rectify fuel imbalances using the procedure given in
the aircraft flight training manual, namely raise the wing of the tank with
the higher level and use crossed controls to attempt to start proper feeding.
I'f I'm correct you tried this and it didn't work. I would also have a mechanic
check into this closely. Thanks for sharing.
Carl
[quote="Firedog(at)visi.com"]Good morning all,
The fuel tank gremlins have struck again. I need some guidance.
Yesterdays flight (now 3 days ago):
1983 CJ 6A, no mods to the fuel systemstraight and level flight, temps in the mid
80s, flying 2-3 thousand feet AGL, (avg elevation 1000 ft.), slight headwind
on the nose, 155 lb pilot, no GIB.
No squawks on my outbound flightfairly equal fuel usage from both tanks.
I refilled upon arrival at my destinationthe plane sat for 6 hours in the sun.
Only squawk on taxi out was that the right brake was locked upa little S turn
on the ramp fixed thatbut let me get to the issue.
On my return flight, the left tank was drawn down to 1.0 on the gauge (16.5 gallon
when I later refueled). The right tank showed between 5 and 6 favoring the
6 (4.0 gallons used). I tried the shake the plane in flight, crabbing to the
right and to a lesser degree tipping my left wing down nothing cured the issue.
I somehow suspect that there is a pilot error involved here, I just cant
figure it out.
Q 1: Has anyone else experienced this?
Q 2: Has anyone run out of fuel in the left tank and NOT been able to get adequate
fuel flowing from the right tank?
All of this is not newbut the approach to final with little fuel in one tank and
lots in the other is scaring the pants off me.
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
> [b]
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You're funny (says the guy from Buffalo).
On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
> I don't know about that.
>
> It can get really cold here.
>
> I remember one night two or three years ago, it got all the way down
into the 40's.
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Eric Wobschall wrote:
>
>> Plus the weather is so damn good every single day.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to the five I mentioned in my previous post, the US
Civil Registry shows 14 Yakovlev 18T's (which includes the 2 flyers I
mentioned)...plus 2 more registered as Yak 18T's. If the FAA list is
correct, that would indicate that there are 19 in the USA.
>>>
>>> Roger Baker
>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Roger Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are five 18T's in the San Diego area. Two are flying and
Vladimir Yastremsky has three that are projects that are for sale.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Baker
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Eric Wobschall
<eric@buffaloskyline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Occurs to me that I haven't heard of many (any?) 18Ts in the US.
There must be a couple, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Keith Pickford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> New Zealand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 - 18T
>>>>>> 16 - 52's
>>>>>> 2 - 55's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Yakbaas <riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: How many 18T's
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Date: Saturday, 23, July, 2011, 8:14 PM
>>>>>>
<riaan@golfcartpro.co.za>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here I thought I could get a 18T census through a decent
post??
>>>>>> [Evil or Very Mad]
>>>>>> Back to topic
>>>>>> In SA we have 8
>>>>>> France :3
>>>>>> Germany :10
>>>>>> Austria:1
>>>>>> UK must have ,Richard?
>>>>>> Aus :How many Chris?
>>>>>> Canada:Everybody must know the Granley's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS .I feel more at ease in my 18T than in a soft-spar 52 during
aero's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347466#347466http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Yak-; a href="http://forums.matronics.com"
target="_blank">http://forums.matr - List Contribution Web
Site; &nb; http:=============
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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com/Navigator?Yak-List
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>>>>>>
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ntribution
>>>>>>
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m/Navigator?Yak-List
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on
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ntribution
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>
> Roger E. Baker, Managing Director
> Panadero Energy Components, LLC
> dba PEC AirAssist
> 760/809-5506
> 760/730-9244
> 760/454-4595 fax
> f4ffm2@roadrunner.com
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Thanks for the fast response...I may not have been as aggressive nor attached the
problem early enough (my reference to pilot error).
Will give the corrective measures a try tomorrow am on my way to OSH.
ras
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CD 2.0
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: fuel flow from tanks
Robert, I believe is called uneven wing tank feeding. This tendency has been with
the CJ's since discovered on its initial test flight in China.
As with any aircraft, fuel balance should be closely monitored which you did as
you explained.
The first thing to do is to rectify fuel imbalances using the procedure given in
the aircraft flight training manual, namely raise the wing of the tank with
the higher level and use crossed controls to attempt to start proper feeding.
I'f I'm correct you tried this and it didn't work. I would also have a mechanic
check into this closely. Thanks for sharing.
Carl
[quote="Firedog(at)visi.com"]Good morning all,
The fuel tank gremlins have struck again. I need some guidance.
Yesterdays flight (now 3 days ago):
1983 CJ 6A, no mods to the fuel systemstraight and level flight, temps in the mid
80s, flying 2-3 thousand feet AGL, (avg elevation 1000 ft.), slight headwind
on the nose, 155 lb pilot, no GIB.
No squawks on my outbound flightfairly equal fuel usage from both tanks.
I refilled upon arrival at my destinationthe plane sat for 6 hours in the sun.
Only squawk on taxi out was that the right brake was locked upa little S turn
on the ramp fixed thatbut let me get to the issue.
On my return flight, the left tank was drawn down to 1.0 on the gauge (16.5 gallon
when I later refueled). The right tank showed between 5 and 6 favoring the
6 (4.0 gallons used). I tried the shake the plane in flight, crabbing to the
right and to a lesser degree tipping my left wing down nothing cured the issue.
I somehow suspect that there is a pilot error involved here, I just cant
figure it out.
Q 1: Has anyone else experienced this?
Q 2: Has anyone run out of fuel in the left tank and NOT been able to get adequate
fuel flowing from the right tank?
All of this is not newbut the approach to final with little fuel in one tank and
lots in the other is scaring the pants off me.
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow from tanks |
check if the aircraft is out of rig, will not fly in a straight line at normal
cruise speed without rudder or aileron input, this will cause fuel in one tank
to be pushed towards the fuel pickup point with more force than fuel from the
other tank, thus creating a greater fuel tank head pressure in one tank leading
to uneven fuel flow.
Fuel line restrictions. They are rarely the cause of uneven fuel feed, but it can
occur. If a fuel line becomes crimped or its routing changed, then it can offer
more resistance to flow than the line from the other tank.
Enjoy OSH,
Carl
Firedog(at)visi.com wrote:
> Thanks for the fast response...I may not have been as aggressive nor attached
the problem early enough (my reference to pilot error).
> Will give the corrective measures a try tomorrow am on my way to OSH.
>
> ras
>
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Robert,
In most cases, the uneven fuel feed can be corrected by raising the heavier(fuller
tank) wing and cross control a little - in my CJ I found that this works BUT
it does take a few looong minutes to show on the gage. Raising the heavy wing
a few degrees coupled with cross controlling helps "convince" the inline check-valve
to open and start feeding the header tank.
I have heard (not recently) of a case that the engine did quit after emptying the
tank it was feeding from while the other tank was full. Learning how to cross
feed in the air in the CJ is an important procedure to master...
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Robert Schroeder
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: fuel flow from tanks
--> <Firedog@visi.com>
Thanks for the fast response...I may not have been as aggressive nor attached the
problem early enough (my reference to pilot error).
Will give the corrective measures a try tomorrow am on my way to OSH.
ras
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CD 2.0
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: fuel flow from tanks
Robert, I believe is called uneven wing tank feeding. This tendency has been with
the CJ's since discovered on its initial test flight in China.
As with any aircraft, fuel balance should be closely monitored which you did as
you explained.
The first thing to do is to rectify fuel imbalances using the procedure given in
the aircraft flight training manual, namely raise the wing of the tank with
the higher level and use crossed controls to attempt to start proper feeding.
I'f I'm correct you tried this and it didn't work. I would also have a mechanic
check into this closely. Thanks for sharing.
Carl
[quote="Firedog(at)visi.com"]Good morning all,
The fuel tank gremlins have struck again. I need some guidance.
Yesterdays flight (now 3 days ago):
1983 CJ 6A, no mods to the fuel systemstraight and level flight, temps in the mid
80s, flying 2-3 thousand feet AGL, (avg elevation 1000 ft.), slight headwind
on the nose, 155 lb pilot, no GIB.
No squawks on my outbound flightfairly equal fuel usage from both tanks.
I refilled upon arrival at my destinationthe plane sat for 6 hours in the sun.
Only squawk on taxi out was that the right brake was locked upa little S turn
on the ramp fixed thatbut let me get to the issue.
On my return flight, the left tank was drawn down to 1.0 on the gauge (16.5 gallon
when I later refueled). The right tank showed between 5 and 6 favoring the
6 (4.0 gallons used). I tried the shake the plane in flight, crabbing to the
right and to a lesser degree tipping my left wing down nothing cured the issue.
I somehow suspect that there is a pilot error involved here, I just cant
figure it out.
Q 1: Has anyone else experienced this?
Q 2: Has anyone run out of fuel in the left tank and NOT been able to get adequate
fuel flowing from the right tank?
All of this is not newbut the approach to final with little fuel in one tank and
lots in the other is scaring the pants off me.
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow from tanks |
Robert =93 this is a problem that has been the subject of numerous
posts on
this forum over the years. Suggested solutions have included precisely
insuring exact rigging, vented fuel caps, different placement or angle of
the
vent tubes, proper pilot technique etc.. Several of us have had success
with Bill Blackwell=99s mechanical fuel tank vent shut-off kit. It
allows the
pilot to simply flip a mechanical switch to stop venting form the fuller
tank until normal fuel feeding is resumed =93 usually 5-10 minutes.
Dave
[quote="Firedog(at)visi.com"]Good morning all,
The fuel tank gremlins have struck again. I need some guidance.
Yesterday=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s flight (now 3 days ago):
1983 CJ 6A, no mods to the fuel system=C3=A2=82=AC=C2straight and
level flight, temps
in the mid 80=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s, flying 2-3 thousand feet AGL, (avg
elevation 1000 ft.),
slight headwind on the nose, 155 lb pilot, no GIB.
No squawks on my outbound flight=C3=A2=82=AC=C2fairly equal fuel usa
ge from both tanks.
I refilled upon arrival at my destination=C3=A2=82=AC=C2the plane sa
t for 6 hours in
the sun. Only squawk on taxi out was that the right brake was locked up=C3
=A2=82=AC=C2a
little S turn on the ramp fixed that=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but let me get to
the issue.
On my return flight, the left tank was drawn down to 1.0 on the gauge
(16.5 gallon when I later refueled). The right tank showed between 5 and
6
favoring the 6 (4.0 gallons used). I tried the shake the plane in flight,
crabbing to the right and to a lesser degree tipping my left wing down=C3
=A2=82=AC=C2
nothing cured the issue. I somehow suspect that there is a =C3=A2=82
=AC=C5=93pilot error=C3=A2=82=AC
=C2=9D involved here, I just can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t figure it out.
Q 1: Has anyone else experienced this?
Q 2: Has anyone run out of fuel in the left tank and NOT been able to get
adequate fuel flowing from the right tank?
All of this is not new=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but the approach to final with
little fuel in one
tank and lots in the other is scaring the pants off me.
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow from tanks |
Hi there.
I had a problem where regardless of what I did, I could not get the Right tank
down past 19 litres on the gauge. We checked this on the ground and sure enough
we could not empty the right tank past this amount, while we could completely
drain the left tank. Following Walt Lannon's instructions, we unhooked the vent
lines and blew hot soapy water through. The trick is to hold Muslin over the
vents into the header tank and see what you can trap.
We were able to dislodge a petrified (as in fossilized, not scared) Lady Bug. Turns
out that the shell would act as a valve, occasionally allowing flow but not
at other times. Please note, You must use hot soapy water, solvents do not
work in this situation. We suspect that the insect was caught up in the U-turn
vent in the cockpit ... we don't know if it was a Chinese or a Canadian Lady
Bug as the machine had sat unassembled at the airport for a while.
Also, you might want to contact Walt and talk to him about the flapper valves in
the header tank.
Further, with your CJ on the ground, on level surface with the tires correctly
inflated, make sure the inclinometer ball is in the middle. If not re-centre the
Turn and Bank and the Gyro. That way, with proper rigging you know you are
flying straight and level and the fuel should feed close to evenly.
And yes, I know of a Dromedar (Camel) Russian spray plane (similar system) that
did run out of gas, here in Canada ,and crashed because of uneven fuel feed.
Good luck. Coop.
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Coop
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On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:17 PM, <KingCJ6@aol.com> wrote:
> **
>
> Robert ' this is a problem that has been the subject of numerous posts
on
> this forum over the years. Suggested solutions have included precisely
> insuring exact rigging, vented fuel caps, different placement or angle of
> the vent tubes, proper pilot technique etc.. Several of us have had
> success with Bill Blackwell=92s mechanical fuel tank vent shut-off kit.
It
> allows the pilot to simply flip a mechanical switch to stop venting form
the
> fuller tank until normal fuel feeding is resumed ' usually 5-10 minutes
.
>
Don't you mean to shut off the vent to the emptier tank thus forcing the
fuel to feed from the fuller tank?
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow from tanks |
Robert;
To answer your questions -----------------
1. Yes, many if not all CJ pilots.
2. Yes, the most recent I can recall was in South Africa about 3 years
ago.
There are some design features of the CJ fuel and vent system that
contribute to this problem.
The fuel and vent lines are of different lengths as the feed tank and
the single point vent inlet are not centrally mounted. This results in
a small decrease in fuel flow from and vent air flow to the RH tank.
By itself this is not a major problem as, given all other features being
equal and optimal, would result in about a 10 to 15 litre imbalance.
However, there is another design flaw that, in combination with a less
than optimal vent flow system, could result in the "out of gas with lots
in the RH tank" scenario.
But first the condition of the fuel and vent system. All these lines
must be scrupulously clean internally, must be free of any dents, kinks
or too tight bends and all connecting hoses must be in perfect condition
with absolutely minimum curvature - preferably none.
The aircraft should be leveled on the jacks (using a level on the lower
center section front spar area) and all inclinometer balls (T&B and
Horiz.) exactly centered in the panels.
If you can guarantee all of the above I can modify your header tank
flapper valves (which are the primary problem) and give you a maximum
imbalance of 15 litres - usually much less.
Contact me off line if you are interested.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Robert Schroeder
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: fuel flow from tanks
Good morning all,
The fuel tank gremlins have struck again. I need some guidance.
Yesterday's flight (now 3 days ago):
1983 CJ 6A, no mods to the fuel system.straight and level flight,
temps in the mid 80's, flying 2-3 thousand feet AGL, (avg elevation 1000
ft.), slight headwind on the nose, 155 lb pilot, no GIB.
No squawks on my outbound flight.fairly equal fuel usage from both
tanks.
I refilled upon arrival at my destination.the plane sat for 6 hours in
the sun. Only squawk on taxi out was that the right brake was locked
up.a little S turn on the ramp fixed that.but let me get to the issue.
On my return flight, the left tank was drawn down to 1.0 on the gauge
(16.5 gallon when I later refueled). The right tank showed between 5
and 6 favoring the 6 (4.0 gallons used). I tried the shake the plane in
flight, crabbing to the right and to a lesser degree tipping my left
wing down. nothing cured the issue. I somehow suspect that there is a
"pilot error" involved here, I just can't figure it out.
Q 1: Has anyone else experienced this?
Q 2: Has anyone run out of fuel in the left tank and NOT been able to
get adequate fuel flowing from the right tank?
All of this is not new.but the approach to final with little fuel in
one tank and lots in the other is scaring the pants off me.
Thoughts anyone?
Thanks,
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow from tanks |
...this is not a bad deal keeping in mind that while uneven fuel feed can be minimized
to some extent by proper maintenance and adjustment, it can never be totally
eliminated without some major modifications to the fuel system.
Carl
[quote="wlannon(at)persona.ca"]
If you can guarantee all of the above I can modify your header tank flapper valves
(which are the primary problem) and give you a maximum imbalance of 15
litres - usually much less.
Contact me off line if you are interested.
Walt
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