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1. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: An Airplane That Flies like A Bird (Brian Lloyd)
2. 07:57 AM - EFI (Brian Lloyd)
3. 09:07 AM - HowTo adjust the air distributer (MLAUB)
4. 10:07 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
5. 10:22 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Brian Lloyd)
6. 10:37 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
7. 10:54 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Mark Davis)
8. 10:58 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Brian Lloyd)
9. 11:20 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (doug sapp)
10. 11:27 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
11. 11:29 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
12. 11:31 AM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (doug sapp)
14. 12:40 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Gill Gutierrez)
15. 12:40 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Gill Gutierrez)
16. 12:53 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
17. 01:11 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
18. 01:34 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Cory Robin)
19. 03:00 PM - Re: How-to adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
20. 03:02 PM - Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer (Roger Kemp M.D.)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: EFI (bill wade)
22. 06:20 PM - Re: EFI (Brian Lloyd)
23. 07:32 PM - Battery Box again (Anthony Hudacek)
24. 08:07 PM - Re: Battery Box again (Walter Lannon)
25. 11:51 PM - Re: How-to adjust the air distributer (Didier Blouzard)
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| Subject: | Re: An Airplane That Flies like A Bird |
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:35 PM, CD 2.0 <dbowie2007@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Sure... there may be great applications for this technology, but it would
> be impractical to use it as an airplane or helicopter. It's more
> specifically, strength to weight ratio. Although it only takes 80watts t
o
> make 400g fly, if they have a =91birdplane=94 with a weight of 5000 lbs m
aybe
> they=92ll need to plug it into a nuclear reactor=85 :P
>
Well, let's assume 400kg (880 lbs). That is just under what my RV-4 weighed
empty and more than my Piper Clipper weighed empty. That would require 80kW
.
That works out to 107hp. My Piper Clipper was powered by an O-235 that
produced 108hp at 2600 RPM. Hmm, seems pretty reasonable to me. And, yes, I
know that is unloaded weight but, frankly, that isn't very far from LSA
weights and power levels. The ornithopter is within reasonable power to
weight ratios.
> Ok, if we have, which we don=92t have, lightweight materials that would m
ake
> any plane or helicopter weigh around 100kg=85. the largest "bird" that ev
er
> lived, the Quetzalcoatlus was around that weight=85 since it takes an
> average of 50watts to make 0,5kg fly, then it would take 10.000 watts for
> 100kg (220 pounds). Not to mention that currently there is no material
> that could take this kind of force while still being light. What works i
n
> low weight doesn=92t necessarily mean it could work on anything bigger so
> based on the current technological standards, this experiment wouldn=92t
be of
> any use.
>
I think you might have missed a decimal point somewhere. 1hp = 746W. Or,
if
you prefer to go the other way, 1kW = 1.34hp. The power levels being
discussed are well within the range of standard small aircraft engines.
> We actually have robots that have higher strength to weight ratio than a
> human. They make all your cars, etc. But the question is whether we can
> balance everything such that all this becomes portable and operates in a
> fashion that mother nature has invented.
>
> They are also working on a hummingbird, apparently "quick flapping" is go
od
> for small-scale aerodynamics.
>
While I don't think that ornithopters are likely to replace fixed-wing,
rotary-wing, or powered-lift vehicles any time soon, the kinds of power
levels needed are not unreasonable.
Besides, they are just friggin' cool to watch.
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Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
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Has anyone implemented multi-point electronic fuel injection on any of our
engines? If so, what injectors, throttle body, and what ECU were used?
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
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| Subject: | HowTo adjust the air distributer |
[Idea] help...
How can i adjust the air distributer?
thanks,
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Http://motostarna.com scroll down to M14p service information. There is an article
there that addresses timing the air start distributor.
Doc
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:04 AM, "MLAUB" <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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> [Idea] help...
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> How can i adjust the air distributer?
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Roger Kemp M.D.
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>wrote:
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> Http://motostarna.com scroll down to M14p service information. There is an
> article there that addresses timing the air start distributor.
>
The URL doesn't resolve. Could you please verify? Thanks.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Forgot the www. Part. Try Http:// www.motostarna.com
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com
> wrote:
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> Http://motostarna.com scroll down to M14p service information. There is an
article there that addresses timing the air start distributor.
>
> The URL doesn't resolve. Could you please verify? Thanks.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Doc,
I think your link had a typo. I came up with http://motorstarna.com/
and it linked to M-14P info.
Mark Davis
N44YK
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From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
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> Http://motostarna.com scroll down to M14p service information. There is an
> article there that addresses timing the air start distributor.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:04 AM, "MLAUB" <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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>> [Idea] help...
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>> How can i adjust the air distributer?
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>> thanks,
>> Michael
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Roger Kemp M.D.
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>wrote:
> Forgot the www. Part. Try Http:// www.motostarna.com
>
I had already tried that. Still doesn't resolve.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine
HUOSAI-6A manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the
compressed air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the
same procedure as used for the M14 series engines.
Best,
Doug
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, MLAUB <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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> [Idea] help...
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> How can i adjust the air distributer?
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> thanks,
> Michael
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354816#354816
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Correct. Look at the left side of the page for the M14P info. This is George Coy's
site.
Doc
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
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> Doc,
> I think your link had a typo. I came up with http://motorstarna.com/ and it linked to M-14P info.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
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>> Http://motostarna.com scroll down to M14p service information. There is an article
there that addresses timing the air start distributor.
>> Doc
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:04 AM, "MLAUB" <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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>>> [Idea] help...
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>>> How can i adjust the air distributer?
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>>> thanks,
>>> Michael
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
WWW.Motorstarna.com the R was missing thanks to the Pad auto correct BS or w
as it my fat fingers?!
Doc
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com
> wrote:
> Forgot the www. Part. Try Http:// www.motostarna.com
>
> I had already tried that. Still doesn't resolve.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Doug, I do not have a HUOSIA manual. Can you send a copy of that page?
Doc
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:17 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine HUOSAI
-6A manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the compres
sed air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the same procedure as
used for the M14 series engines.
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, MLAUB <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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> [Idea] help...
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> How can i adjust the air distributer?
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> thanks,
> Michael
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Roger,
My copier is down right now but a complete bound copy of the manual is only
$40.00, have 3 in stock.
Doug
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Roger Kemp M.D.
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>wrote:
> Doug, I do not have a HUOSIA manual. Can you send a copy of that page?
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:17 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine
> HUOSAI-6A manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the
> compressed air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the
> same procedure as used for the M14 series engines.
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, MLAUB < <michael.laub@web.de>
> michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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>> Michael
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| Subject: | HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Doug,
You're right except the Chinese have a better diagram.
Gill
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine
HUOSAI-6A manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the
compressed air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the same
procedure as used for the M14 series engines.
Best,
Doug
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, MLAUB <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
[Idea] help...
How can i adjust the air distributer?
thanks,
Michael
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| Subject: | HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Also, there is a difference in the prop angle because a gearing
difference between M14P and Housai.
Gill
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
Doug, I do not have a HUOSIA manual. Can you send a copy of that page?
Doc
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:17 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine
HUOSAI-6A manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for
the compressed air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the
same procedure as used for the M14 series engines.
Best,
Doug
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, MLAUB <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
[Idea] help...
How can i adjust the air distributer?
thanks,
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Well, that's special. Now all I need is a CJ to go with it?! Not... Already h
ave to many YAKs.
Doc
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:11 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roger,
> My copier is down right now but a complete bound copy of the manual is onl
y $40.00, have 3 in stock.
>
> Doug
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> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com
> wrote:
> Doug, I do not have a HUOSIA manual. Can you send a copy of that page?
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:17 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine HUOSA
I-6A manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the compre
ssed air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the same procedure a
s used for the M14 series engines.
>>
>> Best,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, MLAUB <michael.laub@web.de> wrote:
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>> [Idea] help...
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>> How can i adjust the air distributer?
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>> thanks,
>> Michael
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As a concerned fellow aircraft owner, and knowing it is none of my business, I
would of course offer the procedure and then politely ask if the owner was sure
it was necessary to mess with this thing to begin with.
The reason for that comment is that although I have had a number of folks tell
me that they did this alignment with ease and perfect results on the first try,
I will admit that I consider those people to be amazingly gifted.
My experience with aligning the air-distributor was that it is an extremely delicate
and frustrating device and very hard to get right. This may be due to the
size of my fingers and hands, which are rather huge. Or maybe other worse
things. Bottom line, don't do it unless you are DARN SURE it is necessary.
Just sayin.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
Well, that's special. Now all I need is a CJ to go with it?! Not... Already have
to many YAKs.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:11 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger,
My copier is down right now but a complete bound copy of the manual is only $40.00,
have 3 in stock.
Doug
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. < <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com> viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Doug, I do not have a HUOSIA manual. Can you send a copy of that page?
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:17 PM, doug sapp < <mailto:dougsappllc@gmail.com> dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine HUOSAI-6A
manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the compressed
air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the same procedure as used
for the M14 series engines.
Best,
Doug
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[Idea] help...
How can i adjust the air distributer?
thanks,
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: HowTo adjust the air distributer |
I share the experience below. I just had to replace a distributor on my M14
powered Wilga... It's a pain in the ass getting those air lines on and off,
and depending on how much space you have, to get the third nut (you know
which one I'm talking about!) off and back on.
On my first attempt, I got a reverse spin - doh! Second attempt and a few
choice words, perfect!
> My experience with aligning the air-distributor was that it is an extremely
> delicate and frustrating device and very hard to get right. This may be due
> to the size of my fingers and hands, which are rather huge. Or maybe other
> worse things. Bottom line, don't do it unless you are DARN SURE it is
> necessary.
>
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Cory,
In my case it will be necessary. My M-14 is currently torn apart on the
hanger floor waiting on replacement gaskets before reassembly.
Break, Gillthe supercharger was fine. Nothing passed through
it. No impeller bladed marring, scaring, nicking or frank destruction.
No scaring on the diffuser or the stators. Some slight sand blasting on
the stators. So those cylinder base nut lock tabs did not go through the
supercharger unless that sucker has TITANIUM impeller blades. If that is
the case then that soft steel lock tabs would have been an appetizer.
The insurance adjuster/inspector is betting malicious activity of the
intentional type. Will leave that up to the city detectives and FBI.
I=99m betting the culprit will never be known. But I am having the
last laughI=99ve learned A LOT and have found a few
hidden problems waiting to bite me on the ass.
Such are the joys of when it goes Bang..BaBangBang at
100% on T.O. at 20 =93 30 feet. It turns out it was not induction
nor was it electrical. But yes, there was Shit bouncing around in
cylinders #1,3,4,5,and 6. The 3 ball bearing are fine (no wear) and
there was no metal in any of the sections. Only in the damned cylinders!
Just somebody did not like mecan=99t imagine why!
Anyway, the good thing that came out of this sojourn is that a fuel
pressure sending line was found to be on the edge of being a blow torch
even after replacing it 4-5 years ago and I have learned a HELL OF A LOT
about this 1930=99s technology motor that I only thought I knew
until I tore this sucker apart.
Anyway, Gill, Pappy, and George, you all have been a tremendous help in
getting me to this pointmy engine apart in pieces and sections
on the hanger floor ( :>)) !
Seriously, between ya=99ll and the manuals along with some of your
cheat sheets she is ready to go back together as soon as stuff comes in
from Aerostar.
Doug, you have been a huge help also with those exchangeable Chinese
parts and stuff.
Sorry for this unusual touchy feely email.promise won=99t
happen again.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
I share the experience below. I just had to replace a distributor on my
M14 powered Wilga... It's a pain in the ass getting those air lines on
and off, and depending on how much space you have, to get the third nut
(you know which one I'm talking about!) off and back on.
On my first attempt, I got a reverse spin - doh! Second attempt and a
few choice words, perfect!
My experience with aligning the air-distributor was that it is an
extremely delicate and frustrating device and very hard to get right.
This may be due to the size of my fingers and hands, which are rather
huge. Or maybe other worse things. Bottom line, don't do it unless you
are DARN SURE it is necessary.
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| Subject: | HowTo adjust the air distributer |
Its your hands and fingers , Mark. They are too F#$%^& big.... kidding! :>))
Doc
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
As a concerned fellow aircraft owner, and knowing it is none of my business, I
would of course offer the procedure and then politely ask if the owner was sure
it was necessary to mess with this thing to begin with.
The reason for that comment is that although I have had a number of folks tell
me that they did this alignment with ease and perfect results on the first try,
I will admit that I consider those people to be amazingly gifted.
My experience with aligning the air-distributor was that it is an extremely delicate
and frustrating device and very hard to get right. This may be due to the
size of my fingers and hands, which are rather huge. Or maybe other worse
things. Bottom line, don't do it unless you are DARN SURE it is necessary.
Just sayin.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer
Well, that's special. Now all I need is a CJ to go with it?! Not... Already have
to many YAKs.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:11 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger,
My copier is down right now but a complete bound copy of the manual is only $40.00,
have 3 in stock.
Doug
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. < <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com> viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Doug, I do not have a HUOSIA manual. Can you send a copy of that page?
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:17 PM, doug sapp < <mailto:dougsappllc@gmail.com> dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
See page 51 of Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero Engine HUOSAI-6A
manual for full description for the adjustment procedure for the compressed
air dist in the HS6A engine. I am sure it will be the same procedure as used
for the M14 series engines.
Best,
Doug
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[Idea] help...
How can i adjust the air distributer?
thanks,
Michael
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Hi Brian this was posted last year in another section on the Matronics, sho
uld answer your question.=0A=C2-=0AI have recently received some requests
for information regarding our M14P modifications. We have been in developm
ent of our M14P overhaul process for the last several years. It has been qu
ite an interesting project, and we have been delivering engines for the las
t 2 years. Our concept was to develop a very high standard of overhaul, suc
h as we offer for horizontally opposed engines. We currently offer complete
overhaul capability and prop strike inspections. To my knowledge, we have
the only test cell in North America that can operate the engine to full pow
er and measure its power output and fuel consumption. Measured thrust tests
with our M14-P engines indicate that a -P engine, modified as described be
low, produces more thrust that the -PF model and does it on less fuel. The
highest time modified M14-P engine we have in service has 400 hours and is
used in airshows. =0A=0AThe major modifications to the engine include the f
ollowing: =0A=0A* Newly designed, three ring, forged piston available in
both standard and slightly higher compression. We have had this piston/rin
g package for two years, and Motorstar=99s ring package appears remar
kably similar. The alloy used in our forging has a lower thermal coefficien
t of expansion and therefore can be operated at reduced clearances which in
creases piston ring service life, reduces blow by and oil consumption. Cust
omers have reported a reduction in oil consumption from over a quart/hour d
own to a quart in 8-10 hours, with the oil staying clean through the whole
oil change interval. We are not currently offering high compression options
for PF owners, because we want to be able to obtain test data in our newly
constructed test cell. =0A=0A* Single port fuel injection through Airfl
ow Performance. We have dialed this system in and are getting good results
with it. There are some airframe mods which are the responsibility of the o
wner/operator but they are easily accomplished, and we can provide some tec
hnical support. =0A=0A* A special micro-finish of the nose case gears to
aide in keeping oil temps down, especially important as we start to raise
compression in the engine. This process is extremely effective and has been
taken from NASCAR, as those folks have tremendous gearbox oil temperature
issues. =0A=0A=0AWe have also developed repair procedures to return impossi
ble to get parts to serviceable status. These include master rod bearings,
nose case sleeve, link rod pins, and a nickel-sil reconditioning of cylinde
r barrels which are worn to maximum limits. The nickel-sil barrels are curr
ently being tested. Additionally, there are a number of parts which we are
seeking to manufacture which are difficult/impossible to obtain via standar
d resources. =0A=0AOne of the exciting projects on the horizon is electroni
c ignition. We currently have three prototypes built and are preparing for
testing in our test cell. We had hoped that the system would be available b
y late fall, but it appears that we are probably one year away from deliver
y. I do not have any anticipated costs for the new system at this time. =0A
=0AIf you would like any additional information regarding this program, ple
ase feel free to direct questions to Monty (monty(at)bpaengines.com (monty(
at)bpaengines.com)), Allen (bpa(at)bpaengines.com (bpa(at)bpaengines.com))
or myself (Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com (Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com)). =0A=0ARhon
da Barrett-Bewley =0ABarrett Precision Engines, Inc. =0ATulsa, OK =0A(918)
835-1089begin_of_the_skype_highlighting=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
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54 fax =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>=0ATo: yak-list@ma
tronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:54 AM=0ASubject: Yak-Lis
t: EFI=0A=0A=0AHas anyone implemented multi-point electronic fuel injection
on any of our engines? If so, what injectors, throttle body, and what ECU
were used?=0A=0A-- =0ABrian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL=0A3191 Western Dr.=0ACamer
on Park, CA 95682=0Abrian@lloyd.com=0A+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)=0A+1.916.8
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, bill wade <bwade154@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> - Single port fuel injection through Airflow Performance. We have
> dialed this system in and are getting good results with it. There are some
> airframe mods which are the responsibility of the owner/operator but they
> are easily accomplished, and we can provide some technical support.
>
>
Thanks. I am familiar with the AFP single-point injection. It is basically a
varient of the pressure carb and not multipoint fuel injection. It is also
mechanical rather than electronic.
One of the exciting projects on the horizon is electronic ignition. We
> currently have three prototypes built and are preparing for testing in our
> test cell. We had hoped that the system would be available by late fall, but
> it appears that we are probably one year away from delivery. I do not have
> any anticipated costs for the new system at this time.
>
Seems that, if one is going the route of electronic ignition, it is a short
step to go to EFI at the same time. Just thinking ...
Thanks for the info Wade!
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3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Battery Box again |
Anyone on this list able to send me a pic of the batteries and battery box?
=0A-=0AAnt.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Box again |
Anthony;
I have a spare CJ6 battery box that you can have for the cost of
shipping. I intended to advise you earlier but I understood you were
looking for a Yak 18T unit.
I doubt it is the same as the CJ but do not know.
I could send some photos if that would help. Please contact me off list
at wlannon@shaw.ca
Walt
Way
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From: Anthony Hudacek
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:29 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Battery Box again
Anyone on this list able to send me a pic of the batteries and battery
box?
Ant.
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| Subject: | Re: How-to adjust the air distributer |
G'day Doc
Can we have pictures ?
Just a few of the mess on the floor?
And of the things going BANG into the cylinders???
Well any pics would be interesting.
Thanks
Didier
2011/10/12 Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Cory,****
>
> In my case it will be necessary. My M-14 is currently torn apart on the
> hanger floor waiting on replacement gaskets before reassembly. ****
>
> Break, Gill=85the supercharger was fine. Nothing passed through it. No
> impeller bladed marring, scaring, nicking or frank destruction. No scarin
g
> on the diffuser or the stators. Some slight sand blasting on the stators.
So
> those cylinder base nut lock tabs did not go through the supercharger unl
ess
> that sucker has TITANIUM impeller blades. If that is the case then that s
oft
> steel lock tabs would have been an appetizer.****
>
> The insurance adjuster/inspector is betting malicious activity of the
> intentional type. Will leave that up to the city detectives and FBI. I=92
m
> betting the culprit will never be known. But I am having the last laugh
=85I=92ve
> learned A LOT and have found a few hidden problems waiting to bite me on
the
> ass.****
>
> Such are the joys of when it goes Bang..Ba=85Bang=85Bang at 100% on T.O
. at
> 20 ' 30 feet. It turns out it was not induction nor was it electrical.
But
> yes, there was Shit bouncing around in cylinders #1,3,4,5,and 6. The 3 ba
ll
> bearing are fine (no wear) and there was no metal in any of the sections.
> Only in the damned cylinders!****
>
> Just somebody did not like me=85can=92t imagine why!****
>
> Anyway, the good thing that came out of this sojourn is that a fuel
> pressure sending line was found to be on the edge of being a blow torch e
ven
> after replacing it 4-5 years ago and I have learned a HELL OF A LOT about
> this 1930=92s technology motor that I only thought I knew until I tore th
is
> sucker apart.****
>
> Anyway, Gill, Pappy, and George, you all have been a tremendous help in
> getting me to this point=85my engine apart in pieces and sections on the
> hanger floor ( :>)) !****
>
> Seriously, between ya=92ll and the manuals along with some of your cheat
> sheets she is ready to go back together as soon as stuff comes in from
> Aerostar. ****
>
> Doug, you have been a huge help also with those exchangeable Chinese part
s
> and stuff.****
>
> Sorry for this unusual touchy feely email=85.promise won=92t happen again
.****
>
> Doc****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Cory Robin
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:31 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: HowTo adjust the air distributer****
>
> ** **
>
> I share the experience below. I just had to replace a distributor on my
> M14 powered Wilga... It's a pain in the ass getting those air lines on a
nd
> off, and depending on how much space you have, to get the third nut (you
> know which one I'm talking about!) off and back on.
>
> On my first attempt, I got a reverse spin - doh! Second attempt and a f
ew
> choice words, perfect!****
>
>
> My experience with aligning the air-distributor was that it is an extreme
ly
> delicate and frustrating device and very hard to get right. This may be
due
> to the size of my fingers and hands, which are rather huge. Or maybe oth
er
> worse things. Bottom line, don't do it unless you are DARN SURE it is
> necessary.****
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