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1. 06:14 AM - Re: Cj6 wings (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Cj6 wings (Warren Hill)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: Cj6 wings (doug sapp)
4. 11:06 AM - Argon gas (Mark Davis)
5. 11:34 AM - Re: Argon gas (Brian Lloyd)
6. 12:44 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis)
7. 12:48 PM - Re: Argon gas (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 02:59 PM - Re: Argon gas (Brian Lloyd)
9. 04:08 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis)
10. 04:36 PM - Re: Argon gas (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 06:46 PM - Re: Argon gas (Roger Kemp M.D.)
12. 06:52 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis)
13. 07:09 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis)
14. 07:31 PM - Re: Argon gas (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
15. 07:40 PM - Re: Argon gas (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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Hi Jacques,
if you are still within the
designer's tolerances you
could ream the holes to the
next diameter and use over-sized
wing bolts (I think Doug Sapp
sells them).
cheers
Elmar
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Dear Jacques,
If the movement you describe is at the four wing attach points, wear in
this area is likely the cause. Doug Sapp has a special set of the large
and smaller wing attachment bolts that are slightly over-sized and made
to address this problem. This has come up often enough that these bolts
are the recommended fix.
Warren Hill
N464TW
On Dec 20, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Jacques Jacobs wrote:
> Hi Guys
> Has anybody had a problem with a cj6 wing thats a bit loos. I have one
that the left wing moves a little bit at the joints not much but there
are movement. Anybody know of a fix for this?
>
>
>
>
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You need oversized wing bolts. Mic the ID of the fittings and drop me a
email off line.
Best,
Doug Sapp
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Jacques Jacobs <jacobscj6@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Hi Guys
> Has anybody had a problem with a cj6 wing thats a bit loos. I have one
> that the left wing moves a little bit at the joints not much but there are
> movement. Anybody know of a fix for this?
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas
that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to
use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in
the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead
of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if
the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no
sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with
rubber or oils.
Mark Davis
N44YK
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
> **
> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that
> I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in
> place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main
> air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just
> returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the
> molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in
> using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils.
>
Well, Ar is monoatomic, i.e. it doesn't bond to itself like N does (N2). A
mole of gas is 22.4L at STP. A mole of N2 masses 28g. A mole of Ar masses
80g. This shouldn't make a difference when filling tires and struts.
Heck, I would try it and see what happens. I don't *think* that Ar would
migrate through the rubber and the seals like He would and so shouldn't be
any different than N2. But if it does, just refill using N2 and all is
good.
One thing I can safely say is that the Ar will not interact with either the
rubber in the tires or the oil in the struts so it is safe from that point
of view.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Thanks for the input Brian.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Lloyd
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
wrote:
An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas
that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to
use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in
the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead
of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if
the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no
sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with
rubber or oils.
Well, Ar is monoatomic, i.e. it doesn't bond to itself like N does
(N2). A mole of gas is 22.4L at STP. A mole of N2 masses 28g. A mole of
Ar masses 80g. This shouldn't make a difference when filling tires and
struts.
Heck, I would try it and see what happens. I don't *think* that Ar
would migrate through the rubber and the seals like He would and so
shouldn't be any different than N2. But if it does, just refill using N2
and all is good.
One thing I can safely say is that the Ar will not interact with
either the rubber in the tires or the oil in the struts so it is safe
from that point of view.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything else for
that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn expensive, which
is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen argon used to pressure
waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides
are pressurized with nitrogen.
Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am standing
by for a real expert to speak up.
GREAT QUESTION!
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm not
using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of nitrogen
for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system, but
it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles
to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller
than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues
with it interacting with rubber or oils.
Mark Davis
N44YK
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>
> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything
> else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn
> expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen
> argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of
> power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen.
>
> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
> standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>
I did. :-)
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using
anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense
in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work
on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used
the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm
happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine
on a YAK!
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>
> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything
> else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn
> expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen
> argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount
> of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen.
>
> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
> standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>
> GREAT QUESTION!
>
> Mark
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
>
> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that
> I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in
> place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main
> air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just
> returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the
> molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in
> using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or
> oils.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
>
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Ok... there is just a chance that your leak detector is not ultrasonic, but instead
actually detacts argon itself. If that is the case, I would hold on to that
think like gold. Specific gas leak detectors are extremely sensitive. So,
what you have there might indeed be valuable. Example: You have a leak somewhere
in your air system. You can't find it. You drain all air and refill with
argon. You then run around with argon leak detector and find it immediately.
Pretty cool.
If that is indeed what you have, and you very well might.... check it out before
you waste the argon.
Take care,
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas
The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using
anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense
in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work
on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used
the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm
happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine
on a YAK!
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>
> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything
> else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn
> expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen
> argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount
> of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen.
>
> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
> standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>
> GREAT QUESTION!
>
> Mark
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
>
> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that
> I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in
> place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main
> air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just
> returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the
> molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in
> using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or
> oils.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
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Mark D. I'm assuming you were using the Ar for finding leaks in auto a/c systems.
As Mark says, you have a valuable commodity for tracking down those pain in
the ass air system leaks! Save it. If have anymore of those systems lying around
let me know. I could use to check my air on the 50 when I start putting it
back together next month.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore.
One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving
the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my
nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon
has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with
the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK!
>
> Mark Davis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
>
>>
>> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>>
>> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything else
for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn expensive, which
is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen argon used to pressure
waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides
are pressurized with nitrogen.
>>
>> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am standing
by for a real expert to speak up.
>>
>> GREAT QUESTION!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
>> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>>
>>
>> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm
not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of
nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system,
but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles
to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly
smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues
with it interacting with rubber or oils.
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks Mark. I'll check the detector out. One of my techs told me he
thought it was ultrasonic, but I'll check it out to be sure. It has
headphones, so he may have assumed it was ultrasonic. He'd never used it.
Ford replaced it with a smoke generating leak detection system.
Mark Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Ok... there is just a chance that your leak detector is not ultrasonic, but
instead actually detacts argon itself. If that is the case, I would hold on
to that think like gold. Specific gas leak detectors are extremely
sensitive. So, what you have there might indeed be valuable. Example: You
have a leak somewhere in your air system. You can't find it. You drain all
air and refill with argon. You then run around with argon leak detector and
find it immediately. Pretty cool.
If that is indeed what you have, and you very well might.... check it out
before you waste the argon.
Take care,
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas
The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using
anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense
in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work
on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used
the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm
happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine
on a YAK!
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>
> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or
> anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also
> pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one
> time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running
> a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with
nitrogen.
>
> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
> standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>
> GREAT QUESTION!
>
> Mark
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
>
> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas
> that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to
> use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it
> in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it
> instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert
> gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then
> there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it
> interacting with rubber or oils.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
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Doc,
Ford used it at one time for evaporative emission system leak
detection. I'll have to dig the book out on the system and see what all it
was capable of doing.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Mark D. I'm assuming you were using the Ar for finding leaks in auto a/c
systems. As Mark says, you have a valuable commodity for tracking down those
pain in the ass air system leaks! Save it. If have anymore of those systems
lying around let me know. I could use to check my air on the 50 when I start
putting it back together next month.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using
anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense
in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work
on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used
the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm
happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine
on a YAK!
>
> Mark Davis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
>
>> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>>
>> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything
else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn
expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen
argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of
power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen.
>>
>> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>>
>> GREAT QUESTION!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
>> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>>
>>
>> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that
I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in
place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main
air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just
returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the
molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in
using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils.
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Mark, if argon was part of this "set" of equipment, it is highly likely the detector
actually is sensing the argon itself. They now sell the same things to
directly sense freon. Not my field of expertise in any sense, but I have heard
of them. I have used both ultrasonic and specific freon gas detectors, and
both used headphones, so it is not really a give away. Could be ultrasonic,
could be argon gas! But... if it is argon detection, I think the thing is way
worth holding onto.
Anyway, great thread. Hope it is something that ends up being useful!
Take care,
Mark B.
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 9:49 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
Thanks Mark. I'll check the detector out. One of my techs told me he
thought it was ultrasonic, but I'll check it out to be sure. It has
headphones, so he may have assumed it was ultrasonic. He'd never used it.
Ford replaced it with a smoke generating leak detection system.
Mark Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Ok... there is just a chance that your leak detector is not ultrasonic, but
instead actually detacts argon itself. If that is the case, I would hold on
to that think like gold. Specific gas leak detectors are extremely
sensitive. So, what you have there might indeed be valuable. Example: You
have a leak somewhere in your air system. You can't find it. You drain all
air and refill with argon. You then run around with argon leak detector and
find it immediately. Pretty cool.
If that is indeed what you have, and you very well might.... check it out
before you waste the argon.
Take care,
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas
The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using
anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense
in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work
on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used
the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm
happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine
on a YAK!
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>
> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or
> anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also
> pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one
> time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running
> a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with
nitrogen.
>
> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
> standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>
> GREAT QUESTION!
>
> Mark
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
>
> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas
> that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to
> use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it
> in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it
> instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert
> gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then
> there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it
> interacting with rubber or oils.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
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On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:06 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Doc,
> Ford used it at one time for evaporative emission system leak
> detection. I'll have to dig the book out on the system and see what all it
> was capable of doing.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:43 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas
>
> --> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Mark D. I'm assuming you were using the Ar for finding leaks in auto a/c
> systems. As Mark says, you have a valuable commodity for tracking down those
> pain in the ass air system leaks! Save it. If have anymore of those systems
> lying around let me know. I could use to check my air on the 50 when I start
> putting it back together next month.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using
> anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense
> in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work
> on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used
> the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm
> happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine
> on a YAK!
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas
>>
>>
>>> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what?
>>>
>>> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything
> else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn
> expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen
> argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of
> power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen.
>>>
>>> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am
> standing by for a real expert to speak up.
>>>
>>> GREAT QUESTION!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis
>>> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas
>>>
>>>
>>> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that
> I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in
> place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main
> air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just
> returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the
> molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in
> using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils.
>>>
>>> Mark Davis
>>> N44YK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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